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Offline AMuslimDude213

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Extensive response to Essence of Thought
« on: April 27, 2018, 05:25:39 AM »
 (I tried to reply to Essence of Thought with this comment but I got an error and only half this comment was posted,waiting for a reply back from him)
As for right hand posseses, You're literally making the same repeated BS again

Do you anti-Islam advocators not bring anything new?

As for right hand possesses you must know the context behind it

Who abstain from sex, - except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess,- for (in their case) they are free from blame, ( Al Quran #23:5, 23:6)

“But those whose desires exceed those limits are transgressors;” - ( Al Quran #23:7 )

It is saying that you must Marry what your right hands possess, then you can have sex with them, and this is completely fine since even the the treatment we're supposed to give them before marrying them is DONOT force your women into sex
"Musaykah, a slave-girl of some Ansari, came and said: My master forces me to commit fornication. Thereupon the following verse was revealed: "But force not your maids to prostitution (when they desire chastity). (24:33)"  (Translation of Sunan Abu Dawud, Divorce (Kitab Al-Talaq), Book 12, Number 2304)"

So that disproves your point of that promoting Rape, now keep repeating your claims. I've watched your other video too,its just emotional drivel.

And you listed 4:23 THAT IS SPEAKING ABOUT FORBIDDING OF INCEST, It has nothing ZERO to do with Rape at all,
You literally probably went to some anti Islamic site and copy pasted all of this,
Quran 5:90 AGAIN IT DOESNT ENDORSE BUT PROHIBIT THE THINGS LEADING TO RAPE
You literally shot yourself in the foot by mentioning that verse
'O you who have believed, indeed, intoxicants, gambling, [sacrificing on] stone alters [to other than Allah ], and divining arrows are but defilement from the work of Satan, so avoid it that you may be successful.'

Quran 2:219
Again shoots you in the foot Islam doesnt play a part in Grooming gangs nor do they use it for it The grooming gangs literally intoxicate the woman yet in Islam you're not even allowed to sell wine,its prohibited

'They ask you about wine and gambling. Say, "In them is great sin and [yet, some] benefit for people. But their sin is greater than their benefit." And they ask you what they should spend. Say, "The excess [beyond needs]." Thus Allah makes clear to you the verses [of revelation] that you might give thought.'

And even the hadith you mentioned shoots you in the foot

'Narrated Anas bin Malik:


"The Messenger of Allah (Peace be upon him) cursed ten involved in wine: The one who presses it, the one who has it pressed, its drinker, its carrier, and the one it is carried to, its server, its seller, the consumption of its price, the one who purchases it and the one it was purchased for."

[Abu 'Eisa said:] This Hadith is Gharib as a narration of Anas. Similar to this has been reported from Ibn 'Abbas, Ibn Mas'ud, and Ibn 'Umar, from the Prophet (Peace be upon him).'

And as for the hadiths you mentioned same claims over and over,Aisha R.A,etc,etc you must know Aisha R.A was NOT raped, her father gave her away to the Prophet SAW and I already replied to you on that,

And since you mentioned 5:38 as a verse, you're literally grasping for straws here, NONE OF THE VERSE has ANY little thing to do with Islams stance on rape, infact nothing at all.,

and as for you blaming Hamza for putting his religion forward, if you understood the context of the video he made, you'd realize it was a response to a vile and anti-Muslim Man called Tommy Robinson, who was using it as a argument for Islam, if he didnt put his religion forward, do you think it'll be fair? people can then say Islam endorses rape,etc because Hamza didnt reply with his religion.

Anyways moving on,
You mentioned Syria,etc,etc do you know whos causing the rape there? you have no degree in Islamic studies, you have not even a clue of what the interpretation of each passage is, you know nothing about Middle east, you're like a pawn Muslims will easily intellectually demolish, lets go to Syria and Iraq,etc and Middle eastern countries, whos going for 'sex tourisms' there to Middle east in Syria and Iraq,etc I wonder? WHITE MALES
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/lily-allens-right-white-males-9562356

And now what else do you want to claim if its mostly Muslims? They're also Pakistanis, how come Pakistanis arent blamed for it? Ethnicity? I disagree It feels like you are trying to push an Agenda forward,

But since you carry on blaming our Prophet SAW on the Issue of Aisha and consider that 'Proof' Let me refute that,
Okay now, this was a normal thing in the medieval world since people lived a short life and died earlier and hit puberty earlier
Now if you want to apply 21st century standards to the 7th century, that would be fallacious since then you'd be calling everyone from that time a rapist,

Now the Question is did Sayyida Aisha R.A hit puberty?
Yes,yes she did,
Narrated AISHA: (the wife of the Prophet) I had seen my parents following Islam since I attained the age of PUBERTY. Not a day passed but the Prophet visited us, both in the mornings and evenings.” (Sahih al-Bukhari volume 1, Book 8, Hadith 465 https://sunnah.com/bukhari/8/124)

Was she raped or forced into sex at all?
No,no she wasnt
 lets see what french philosopher Montesquieu in his book "The Spirit of the Laws" which became later one of the foundations of the US law says in that book:
"Women are marriageable in hot climates at eight, nine, and ten years of age. thus, childhood and marriage almost always go together there. They are old at twenty: thus reason in women is never found with beauty there"

And as for rape there is no proof, the Family of Aisha R,A agreed to have to have her married
Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234:

Narrated Aisha:

The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age."

Notice how no Woman had any problem with Aisha R.A

if you still want to ramble on about Pedophilia, know that Pedophilia is only being attracted to children,as for our prophet SAW all of his wives were even older than him, his first wife was 40 and our Prophet SAW was 25
Safiur-Rahman al-Mubarakpuri’s biography:

Khadijah Bint Khuwailid:

In Makkah — prior to Hijra — the Prophet’s household comprised him [pbuh] and his wife Khadijah bint Khuwailid. He was twenty-five and she was forty when they got married. She was the first woman he married. She was the only wife he had till she died. He had sons and daughters with her. None of their sons lived long. They all died. Their daughters were Zainab, Ruqaiya, Umm Kulthum and Fatimah.

Zainab was married to her maternal cousin Abu Al-‘As bin Al-Rabi‘ and that was before Al-Hijra. Ruqaiya and Umm Kulthum were both married to ‘Uthman bin ‘Affan successively (i.e. he married one after the death of her sister). Fatimah was married to ‘Ali bin Abi Talib; and that was in the period between Badr and Uhud battles. The sons and daughters that Fatimah and ‘Ali had were Al-Hasan, Al-Husain, Zainab and Umm Kulthum.

It is well-known that the Prophet [pbuh] was exceptionally authorized to have more than four wives for various reasons. The wives he married were thirteen. Nine of them outlived him. Two died in his lifetime: Khadijah and the Mother of the poor (Umm Al-Masakeen).

Now tell me if the Prophet SAW woukd have been a pedophile he would've always preyed after girls who hadnt hit puberty,yet all his wives did cross puberty including Aisha R.A according to the hadith and why did the Prophet SAW wait 3 years for Aisha RA, Pedophiles and rapists are impatient and forceful but our Prophet SAW wasnt, and he waited for over 3 years so she could hit puberty,which disproves your point of our Prophet SAW being anything you claim him to be


So theres your whole bogus claim refuted Now I challenge you something, if you claim to know the Quran so well, go study the whole Quran and hadith a bit extensively, orelse you'll make another crap video with misleading footnotes.
theres your whole claim refuted.'

And as for all your responses to Hamza, The girls do know the predators,etc,etc but you did not get his point at all, what he's trying to say is that cut it right in the start, as soon as you see the girl acting strangely or with a strange man, try to step in,find out whats going on, and as for grooming gangs, they rape CHILDREN, they dont go after adult women, they're PEDOPHILES, they are the special type of scum and subhuman, so if you want to really know what is Hamza saying instead of misrepresenting him since you're an anti-islam advocate, thats your job, to misrepresent all what Muslims say, actually take the time to understand and watch his video and what he is saying,

And as for Basis and evidence of what Hamza says, here is a article

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/27/poor-children-seen-as-worthless-rotherham-abuse-scandal


Now he did have a basis for it, and he responded in the Manner that should be responded in, against that said culture, all he said, was that most of these victim are children, and its due to their families neglecting them, and that study supports this,busted again.

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Re: Extensive response to Essence of Thought
« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2018, 05:40:24 AM »
The Article I listed from the Mirror has been replaced with this one

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3230898/Beyond-evil-paedophile-gang-raped-babies-toddlers-streamed-vile-crimes-internet-sex-abusers-world-jailed-78-years.html

Since That article I did read it but I didnt find the evidence as I did in this article.

 

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