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Is Jesus greater than Adam?
« on: September 03, 2018, 08:29:56 PM »
As'salamu Alaikum Everyone,

Here are some interesting points from the Bible that further prove that trinity is nothing but a blasphemy and a lie:


Is Jesus greater than Adam?

1-  Son of GOD in the Bible means one who is created in the image of GOD, and is like GOD:

Genesis 1
26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”
27 So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.

Islam actually agrees with this.  Allah Almighty has 99+ Divine Attributes, and those among us from the flesh and blood, - who are closest to the highest levels of piety, - are the closest in perfecting those attributes.  So for example:

Islam:
(a)-  GOD Almighty is The Merciful.  Good humans are also merciful.
(b)-  GOD Almighty is The Compassionate.  Good humans are also compassionate.
(c)-  GOD Almighty is The Forgiving.  Good humans are also forgiving.
(d)-  GOD Almighty is The Most Wise.  Good humans are also wise.

And so on.


Sons of GOD in Bible and Quran:

2-  There are very special Sons of GOD in the Bible and also in the Glorious Quran:

(a)-  Enoch, Ezra and Elijah were taken to Heaven without dying.
(b)-  Moses was called the God of Pharaoh, Aaron and the believers.
(b)-  Adam, Melchizedek, and Jesus were called "Son of GOD" in a context that makes them very special sons of GOD.

The genealogy of Jesus:

Luke 3:23-38
……
38 the son of Enosh, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God.


Notice Adam here was called a very special son of GOD.  The Glorious Quran makes this even clearer:

‏21:26 وقالوا اتخذ الرحمن ولدا سبحانه بل عباد مكرمون

[021:026]  And they say: "(God) Most Gracious has begotten offspring." Glory to Him! they are (but) servants raised to honour بل عباد مكرمون.

www.answering-christianity.com/definition_son_of_god.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/son_of_god_in_bible_and_quran_debate.ppt 
www.answering-christianity.com/son_of_god.htm 
www.answering-christianity.com/son_translation.htm 
www.answering-christianity.com/debate_templates.htm 
www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/1john2_22.htm




3-  Jesus is Son of Man, but not Son of David:

(a)-  Jesus in the called himself "Son of Man".
(b)-  Jesus in the Bible refused to be called "Son of David", because he said he is greater than David.

Yet, the Bible defines Man to be Adam:

Genesis 5:1-3
From Adam to Noah
1 This is the written account of Adam’s family line.  When God created mankind, he made them in the likeness of God.
2 He created them male and female and blessed them. And he named them “Mankind” when they were created.
3 When Adam had lived 130 years, he had a son in his own likeness, in his own image; and he named him Seth.


Matthew 24:25-27
25 See, I have told you ahead of time.
26 “So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it.
27 For as lightning that comes   from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.


(a)-  So Adam is Man.  Mankind started with Adam and Eve, the Male and Female.  And Adam's son, Seth, was created in Adam's image.

(b)-  Jesus called himself "Son of Man".

Yet, Jesus refused to be called "Son of David":

Mark 12
35 While Jesus was teaching in the temple courts, he asked, “Why do the teachers of the law say that the Messiah is the son of David?
36 David himself, speaking by the Holy Spirit, declared:

“‘The Lord said to my Lord:
    “Sit at my right hand
until I put your enemies
    under your feet.”’[h]

37 David himself calls him ‘Lord.’ How then can he be his son?”  The large crowd listened to him with delight.





Jesus cried to and begged GOD for multiple things:

(a)-  Jesus begged GOD to raise Lazarus from the dead after he died and his body began to decompose.

(b)-  Jesus begged GOD to save him from crucifixion.

Please visit:
www.answering-christianity.com/trinity_crucified.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_hypocrite.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/satanic_verses.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/king_kong.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/questions.htm


Jesus was not putting on a false show of crying.  Death is no more than a phase that creations pass.  The Creator of the Universe does not cry and beg himself to save a "friend" or to He himself, the Almighty, to not get hurt or killed.




Jesus sought GOD's Permission before every Miracle:

Similar to above, Jesus was powerless according to the New Testament itself.  Jesus had to seek GOD Almighty's Permission, and he had to be given the power to perform the certain Miracles.  This is why he sought GOD's Mercy and Will to raise Lazarus from the dead.  Jesus was powerless and couldn't do it on his own.  He had to get GOD Almighty's Permission and ability-from-GOD to do it. 

Again, visit:
www.answering-christianity.com/trinity_crucified.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/questions.htm






Jesus said he would be a liar:

Also similar to above, Jesus himself said that if he were to bear witness of himself, he would be a liar (his witness would be false).  Yet, when GOD Almighty appeared to Moses, for example, behind the burning bush, and when Moses asked Him who he was, the Almighty didn't deny Himself, nor did He ever say that if He were to bear witness of Himself He would be a liar, or that His witness would be false.  On the contrary, GOD Almighty told Moses that He was his Creator.

Please visit:
www.answering-christianity.com/trinity_crucified.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/questions.htm





Jesus committed the sin of coveting:

According to the New Testament, Jesus committed the sin of coveting.  The Bible in both the Old and New Testaments considers coveting to be a sin.  Yet, Jesus coveted the world for 40 days and 40 nights during his temptation with satan:

www.answering-christianity.com/satanic_verses.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/king_kong.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/satan_christ.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/trinity_crucified.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/questions.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_hypocrite.htm





Before Abraham, not Adam:

Yet, Jesus called himself "Son of Man".  And even when Jesus said ego eimi, he said it about Abraham (that he existed before Abraham), not Adam.

John 8:58
58 “Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am was or existed!”

I used three online Greek dictionaries that said that ego eimi means: was, existed, was before.  Please visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/iam.htm




Jesus in according to King Melchizedek:

According to the Bible, Jesus had to be in according to King Melchizedek.  GOD Almighty, the Sovereign Creator of Everything, is not in according to anyone or anything.  All are His creations, and all were Created in His Image.  Not the other way around:

www.answering-christianity.com/1john2_22.htm


Trinity is false.  Trinity is a lie.  Islam is the Divine Truth of Allah Almighty.  Please visit the following link to see the Glorious Quran's STUNNING Numerical and Scientific Miracles:

www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links


Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Re: Is Jesus greater than Adam?
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2018, 06:35:30 AM »
As'salamu Alaikum Everyone,

The link to the article above is located at:

www.answering-christianity.com/is_jesus_greater_than_adam.htm

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Re: Is Jesus greater than Adam?
« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2018, 05:26:08 AM »
I updated the first post above.

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Re: Is Jesus greater than Adam?
« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2018, 02:18:13 AM »
"Yet, Jesus called himself "Son of Man".  And even when Jesus said ego eimi, he said it about Abraham (that he existed before Abraham), not Adam.

John 8:58
58 “Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am was or existed!” "


Yes it fits a Greek idiom called Extension from the past, that's why the NWT translate it as "i have been"...this translation is supported by some well known Trinitarian grammarians

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Re: Is Jesus greater than Adam?
« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2018, 02:19:08 AM »
what i mean is that you're completely correct that it's a claim of pre-existence

 

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