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As-Salam aleikum wa rahmatullahi wa baraketuh,

I have not participated in this forum for long time.

I just want to tell you about a very interesting details which would be - as I think - a factual confirmation of the view that Prophet Mohammed (SAAW) is mentioned in Isaiah 29:12. I find this new discovery as a welcome support for Muslim interpretation.

Muslims for a long time have seen Isaiah 29:12 as an allusion to Prophet Mohammed's (SAAW) first revelation which was given by Gabriel (AS) in the cave Hira. Indeed, a very suggestive description is given by Isaiah, pointing to the first experience which according to the Muslim tradition occurred in this place.

There is a certain word which appear in the text of Isaiah 29:12 to which Muslims did not paid attention, since it was "obscured" under the translation. It seems that this word was originally understood as a proper name for a geographic location.
Moreover, I found a further confirmation from two patristic authorities that the one who was giving this book to the "unlettered one" is the Holy Spirit which in Islam is non other than Gabriel himself (AS). As biblical scholars has also observed, the motif of "creating human from clay" is a part of the chapter 29 which thematically fits the story of al-'Alaq.

I will discuss here insha'Allah this finding, but in return I would need some help from you.
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Wa Alaikum As'salam Wa Rahmatu Allah Wa Barakatuh dear brother Idris,

Welcome back akhi.  Insha'Allah everything had been well for you and your family.  Ameen.

In regards to your post, what kind of help do you need akhi?  You can checkout www.answering-christianity.com/predict.htm.

Jazaka Allah Khayr.

Take care,
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As-Salam aleikum wa rahmatullah,

Thank you dear brother Osama, I would need a practical help, but I’ll explain after I finish entirely my post about Isaiah 29:12.
For now, can I upload an image directly from my PC ? I don't see such a function.
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Wa Alaikum As'salam Wa Rahmatu Allah Wa Barakatuh dear brother Idris,

Jazaka Allah Khayr akhi.  Go ahead and post your article and link the images to an outside site.  I then will update your post and re-link your images to my website after I upload your images.  I've done this with all of your previous posts and with a few brothers' posts here as well.

I have setup the blog to restrict certain functions on all except my account to prevent problems.  This helps me keep the maintenance of this blog simple and always healthy for all :), insha'Allah.  Hope this will work for you, insha'Allah.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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As-Salam aleikum wa rahmatullah,

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Brother Idris made considerable updates and additions, and requested that his final work be linked here instead:

www.answering-christianity.com/isaiah29_12.htm
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brother Osama, can you fix these last curved texts? I don't know why the text appeared in that way.
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Wa alaikum assalam

Great research brother !

So, how would you translate Greek text of Isaiah 29:12 in Sinaiticus:

και δοθηϲεται το βιβλιον τουτο ειϲ Χιραϲ ανθρωπου · μη επιϲταμενου γραμʼματα ˙ και ερι αυτω · αναγνωθι ταυτα και ερι . ουκ αιπιϲταμαι γραμʼματα
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Wa alaikum assalam

Great research brother !

So, how would you translate Greek text of Isaiah 29:12 in Sinaiticus:

και δοθηϲεται το βιβλιον τουτο ειϲ Χιραϲ ανθρωπου · μη επιϲταμενου γραμʼματα ˙ και ερι αυτω · αναγνωθι ταυτα και ερι . ουκ αιπιϲταμαι γραμʼματα

Wa aleikum as-salam wa rahmatullah,

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Brother Idris made considerable updates and additions, and requested that his final work be linked here instead:

www.answering-christianity.com/isaiah29_12.htm
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As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers,

I have fixed your article and uploaded your images and re-linked them, dear brother Idris.  Jazaka Allah Khayr for this amazing research!  Keep up the great work, dear brother.  I will sure post your work as an official article on the website and heavily propagate it, insha'Allah.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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As'salamu Alaikum dear brother Idris and Everyone,

I have added the following new article and linked it to 60+ other articles:

www.answering-christianity.com/isaiah29_12.htm

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Re: The name "Hira" in Isaiah 29:12 and corrector's attempt to cover it up!
« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2019, 03:44:26 am »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brother Idris and Everyone,

I have added the following new article and linked it to 60+ other articles:

www.answering-christianity.com/isaiah29_12.htm

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

Wa aleikum as-salam wa rahmatullah dear brother Osama,

thank you for fixing my article, although there is still some sentences left curved, however, this is not your fault bro. I asked to fix it just for an esthetical reason, that's all. Thank you also for adding this article to the prophecy about Isaiah 29:12, it looks nicely :)
Expect my next post with further research with new important discoveries insha'Allah!

Take care and salam
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Re: The name "Hira" in Isaiah 29:12 and corrector's attempt to cover it up!
« Reply #11 on: March 29, 2019, 01:35:32 pm »
As-salam aleikum wa rahmatullahi wa baraketuh,

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Brother Idris made considerable updates and additions, and requested that his final work be linked here instead:

www.answering-christianity.com/isaiah29_12.htm
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Re: The name "Hira" in Isaiah 29:12 and corrector's attempt to cover it up!
« Reply #12 on: March 29, 2019, 04:22:53 pm »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers,

I have updated the website and added your new additions, and your exchange with brother Sama, to your article, brother Idris.  Jazaka Allah Khayr!  I look forward to more amazing posts from you insha'Allah, akhi Idris.

Please let me know if you want any changes in the emphasis that I added above and in your article.  Feel free to post them here and I'll make the updates and delete the request-post to keep your research as close together as possible, insha'Allah:

www.answering-christianity.com/isaiah29_12.htm

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Re: The name "Hira" in Isaiah 29:12 and corrector's attempt to cover it up!
« Reply #13 on: March 29, 2019, 07:12:55 pm »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers,

I have updated the website and added your new additions, and your exchange with brother Sama, to your article, brother Idris.  Jazaka Allah Khayr!  I look forward to more amazing posts from you insha'Allah, akhi Idris.

Please let me know if you want any changes in the emphasis that I added above and in your article.  Feel free to post them here and I'll make the updates and delete the request-post to keep your research as close together as possible, insha'Allah:

www.answering-christianity.com/isaiah29_12.htm

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

As-salam aleikum wa rahmatullah dear brother Osama, jazakallahu khairan for taking care of my posts, that's kind of you akhi!

I will contact through a private message and I'll tell you what changes to introduce in my posts (only some additional info, plus correction of a few tiny mistakes in spelling since I have tendency to be strict and accurate, I hate to make any errors :) ). After you'll read this very post of mine, you can delete it since its needless
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Re: The name "Hira" in Isaiah 29:12 and corrector's attempt to cover it up!
« Reply #14 on: March 29, 2019, 09:29:00 pm »
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Brother Idris made considerable updates and additions, and requested that his final work be linked here instead:

www.answering-christianity.com/isaiah29_12.htm
« Last Edit: April 08, 2019, 09:26:50 am by QuranSearchCom »