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As-Salam aleikum wa rahmatullahi wa baraketuh,

I have not participated in this forum for long time.

I just want to tell you about a very interesting details which would be - as I think - a factual confirmation of the view that Prophet Mohammed (SAAW) is mentioned in Isaiah 29:12. I find this new discovery as a welcome support for Muslim interpretation.

Muslims for a long time have seen Isaiah 29:12 as an allusion to Prophet Mohammed's (SAAW) first revelation which was given by Gabriel (AS) in the cave Hira. Indeed, a very suggestive description is given by Isaiah, pointing to the first experience which according to the Muslim tradition occurred in this place.

There is a certain word which appear in the text of Isaiah 29:12 to which Muslims did not paid attention, since it was "obscured" under the translation. It seems that this word was originally understood as a proper name for a geographic location.
Moreover, I found a further confirmation from two patristic authorities that the one who was giving this book to the "unlettered one" is the Holy Spirit which in Islam is non other than Gabriel himself (AS). As biblical scholars has also observed, the motif of "creating human from clay" is a part of the chapter 29 which thematically fits the story of al-'Alaq.

I will discuss here insha'Allah this finding, but in return I would need some help from you.
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Wa Alaikum As'salam Wa Rahmatu Allah Wa Barakatuh dear brother Idris,

Welcome back akhi.  Insha'Allah everything had been well for you and your family.  Ameen.

In regards to your post, what kind of help do you need akhi?  You can checkout www.answering-christianity.com/predict.htm.

Jazaka Allah Khayr.

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As-Salam aleikum wa rahmatullah,

Thank you dear brother Osama, I would need a practical help, but I’ll explain after I finish entirely my post about Isaiah 29:12.
For now, can I upload an image directly from my PC ? I don't see such a function.
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Wa Alaikum As'salam Wa Rahmatu Allah Wa Barakatuh dear brother Idris,

Jazaka Allah Khayr akhi.  Go ahead and post your article and link the images to an outside site.  I then will update your post and re-link your images to my website after I upload your images.  I've done this with all of your previous posts and with a few brothers' posts here as well.

I have setup the blog to restrict certain functions on all except my account to prevent problems.  This helps me keep the maintenance of this blog simple and always healthy for all :), insha'Allah.  Hope this will work for you, insha'Allah.

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As-Salam aleikum wa rahmatullah,

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Brother Idris made considerable updates and additions, and requested that his final work be linked here instead:

www.answering-christianity.com/isaiah29_12.htm
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brother Osama, can you fix these last curved texts? I don't know why the text appeared in that way.
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Wa alaikum assalam

Great research brother !

So, how would you translate Greek text of Isaiah 29:12 in Sinaiticus:

και δοθηϲεται το βιβλιον τουτο ειϲ Χιραϲ ανθρωπου · μη επιϲταμενου γραμʼματα ˙ και ερι αυτω · αναγνωθι ταυτα και ερι . ουκ αιπιϲταμαι γραμʼματα
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Wa alaikum assalam

Great research brother !

So, how would you translate Greek text of Isaiah 29:12 in Sinaiticus:

και δοθηϲεται το βιβλιον τουτο ειϲ Χιραϲ ανθρωπου · μη επιϲταμενου γραμʼματα ˙ και ερι αυτω · αναγνωθι ταυτα και ερι . ουκ αιπιϲταμαι γραμʼματα

Wa aleikum as-salam wa rahmatullah,

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Brother Idris made considerable updates and additions, and requested that his final work be linked here instead:

www.answering-christianity.com/isaiah29_12.htm
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As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers,

I have fixed your article and uploaded your images and re-linked them, dear brother Idris.  Jazaka Allah Khayr for this amazing research!  Keep up the great work, dear brother.  I will sure post your work as an official article on the website and heavily propagate it, insha'Allah.

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As'salamu Alaikum dear brother Idris and Everyone,

I have added the following new article and linked it to 60+ other articles:

www.answering-christianity.com/isaiah29_12.htm

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Re: The name "Hira" in Isaiah 29:12 and corrector's attempt to cover it up!
« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2019, 03:44:26 AM »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brother Idris and Everyone,

I have added the following new article and linked it to 60+ other articles:

www.answering-christianity.com/isaiah29_12.htm

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

Wa aleikum as-salam wa rahmatullah dear brother Osama,

thank you for fixing my article, although there is still some sentences left curved, however, this is not your fault bro. I asked to fix it just for an esthetical reason, that's all. Thank you also for adding this article to the prophecy about Isaiah 29:12, it looks nicely :)
Expect my next post with further research with new important discoveries insha'Allah!

Take care and salam
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Re: The name "Hira" in Isaiah 29:12 and corrector's attempt to cover it up!
« Reply #11 on: March 29, 2019, 01:35:32 PM »
As-salam aleikum wa rahmatullahi wa baraketuh,

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Brother Idris made considerable updates and additions, and requested that his final work be linked here instead:

www.answering-christianity.com/isaiah29_12.htm
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Re: The name "Hira" in Isaiah 29:12 and corrector's attempt to cover it up!
« Reply #12 on: March 29, 2019, 04:22:53 PM »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers,

I have updated the website and added your new additions, and your exchange with brother Sama, to your article, brother Idris.  Jazaka Allah Khayr!  I look forward to more amazing posts from you insha'Allah, akhi Idris.

Please let me know if you want any changes in the emphasis that I added above and in your article.  Feel free to post them here and I'll make the updates and delete the request-post to keep your research as close together as possible, insha'Allah:

www.answering-christianity.com/isaiah29_12.htm

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Re: The name "Hira" in Isaiah 29:12 and corrector's attempt to cover it up!
« Reply #13 on: March 29, 2019, 07:12:55 PM »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers,

I have updated the website and added your new additions, and your exchange with brother Sama, to your article, brother Idris.  Jazaka Allah Khayr!  I look forward to more amazing posts from you insha'Allah, akhi Idris.

Please let me know if you want any changes in the emphasis that I added above and in your article.  Feel free to post them here and I'll make the updates and delete the request-post to keep your research as close together as possible, insha'Allah:

www.answering-christianity.com/isaiah29_12.htm

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

As-salam aleikum wa rahmatullah dear brother Osama, jazakallahu khairan for taking care of my posts, that's kind of you akhi!

I will contact through a private message and I'll tell you what changes to introduce in my posts (only some additional info, plus correction of a few tiny mistakes in spelling since I have tendency to be strict and accurate, I hate to make any errors :) ). After you'll read this very post of mine, you can delete it since its needless
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Re: The name "Hira" in Isaiah 29:12 and corrector's attempt to cover it up!
« Reply #14 on: March 29, 2019, 09:29:00 PM »
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Brother Idris made considerable updates and additions, and requested that his final work be linked here instead:

www.answering-christianity.com/isaiah29_12.htm
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Re: The name "Hira" in Isaiah 29:12 and corrector's attempt to cover it up!
« Reply #15 on: April 03, 2019, 01:40:53 PM »
Wa Alaikum As'salam Wa Rahmatu Allah Wa Barakatuh akhi Idris,

I have added your new updates to the article.  I look forward to seeing your complete research with all 6 evidences complete, insha'Allah.  This will be amazing, insha'Allah!  Please let me know if any change is required, dear brother.

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« Reply #16 on: April 03, 2019, 02:08:41 PM »
If you also visit www.answering-christianity.com, you'll see your link on the main page above the Glorious Quran's STUNNING Miracles table.  Great work, dear brother Idris!  Please finish this article's research asap so that the complete work will be seen by the thousands that visit this site everyday.

All Praise and Thanks and Glory are due to Allah Almighty alone, and none else.

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Re: The name "Hira" in Isaiah 29:12 and corrector's attempt to cover it up!
« Reply #17 on: April 03, 2019, 02:41:31 PM »
As-salam aleikum wa rahmatullah,

Jazaka Allahu khairan dear brother Osama, may Allah bless you! Yes, this research must be seen by people, and let them make their own judgment. I will do my best in order to finish this research insha'Allah.
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Re: The name "Hira" in Isaiah 29:12 and corrector's attempt to cover it up!
« Reply #18 on: April 03, 2019, 03:45:25 PM »
Wa Alaikum As'salam Wa Rahmatu Allah Wa Barakatuh,

Fixed.  Please let me know if more fixes are required.  Jazaka Allah Khayr, akhi Idris.

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Re: The name "Hira" in Isaiah 29:12 and corrector's attempt to cover it up!
« Reply #19 on: April 03, 2019, 04:30:01 PM »
I added the following to the article, akhi Idris:

 (χιρα from Greek to English Google Translate: [1] [2]).

The link is https://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%A7%CE%B9%CF%81%CE%AC


Notice everyone the two images above from Google Translate:


Click to enlarge and use arrow keys:





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Re: The name "Hira" in Isaiah 29:12 and corrector's attempt to cover it up!
« Reply #20 on: April 03, 2019, 05:02:05 PM »
As'salamu Alaikum Everyone,

Watch the little movie clips that I also added to the article.  They are pronunciations from Google:

www.answering-christianity.com/hira_in_greek_and_english.mp4 (χιρα)
www.answering-christianity.com/xipac_hira_in_greek_and_english.mp4 (χιραϲ)

www.answering-christianity.com/isaiah29_12.htm


How Hira is read in both Greek and English and Google.

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Re: The name "Hira" in Isaiah 29:12 and corrector's attempt to cover it up!
« Reply #21 on: April 29, 2019, 06:37:12 AM »

As-salam aleikum wa rahmatullah,

Dear brothers and sisters, be patient, the subsequent part of my research is coming insha'Allah. All I can say at the moment is that the complete version of this research will break all known interpretations of these obscure events described by Isaiah. These discoveries are spectacular and shocking!

Alhamdulillah, I hope in Ramadan Allah will bless this work and reveal through it the true or at least the more reliable picture of Isaiah's prophecies about Prophet Mohammed (SAAW).

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Re: The name "Hira" in Isaiah 29:12 and corrector's attempt to cover it up!
« Reply #22 on: April 30, 2019, 12:09:04 AM »
Wa Alaikum As'salam Wa Rahmatu Allah Wa Barakatuh akhi Idris and Everyone,

Jazaka Allah Khayr, dear brother.  I look forward to your amazing research and additions very soon, insha'Allah.

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As'salamu Alaikum Everyone,

Here is something worth investigating, which occurred to me a few weeks ago.  Jehovah Jirah or Jireh means Jehovah of mount Jirah, which is the mountain where Abraham was going to sacrifice his son, peace be upon them both.

Now here are a few thoughts:

1-  We know mount Hira is in Mecca.

2-  We know Isaiah's Prophecy about mount Hira includes the Angel Gabriel coming down upon the Servant who can't read and will command him to read, and the servant will respond "I can not read".  We know in Islam that Prophet Muhammad perfectly fulfilled this Prophecy.  Peace and Blessings be upon all of GOD Almighty's Prophets and Messengers.

3-  Now we also know in Arabic Hira means being in a state of confusion, i.e., someone who is perplexed and confused.

4-  We know Abraham was desperate to have a son, and prayed and begged and wept to GOD Almighty for long decades (10s of years) to have a son.

5-  Abraham named his first son ISMAIL (ISHMAEL), which means GOD heard or GOD hears, i.e., GOD Almighty finally heard my long and desperate crys and weepings and prayings.

6-  GOD Almighty put Abraham in a very confusing trial by commanding him to take his son to the mountain and slaughter him.  Imagine Abraham here.  So after all of these years of crying and weeping and praying to grant me a son, you finally give me one and you want me to slaughter him?

7-  GOD Almighty then substituted the son for a lamb.



Question:

Could mount Hira in Mecca have been named by Abraham to mean the mountain of confusion, or the confusing trial?  Could Jehovah Jirah be referring to GOD of Mount Hira in Mecca?


This is worth a research.

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As-Salam aleikum wa rahmatullah dear brothers and sister,

I just wanted to say I am sorry for delaying my subsequent parts of my research on Hira in Isaiah 29:12. I was occupied with many other things (especially that it was a period of Ramadan, etc.). Anyway, I can give you a glimpse of what to expect in my upcoming research (the material excerpted from my future book):

In the Greek text of Isaiah 29:12, the illiterate who was given the Book in the place called Hira (as I proved in Evidence #1) is enigmatically addressed as "anthropos" (Gk. ανθρωπου) which means the "man" (some particular person). This Anthropos is mentioned in Balaam’s third and fourth oracle (Numbers 24:7, 17) and the term has a messianic overtones within its context as scholars noted. In the prophecies of Isaiah, this mysterious Anthropos is called otherwise "Glorious", and he is apparently a salvific figure who will come to Zion (Isaiah 35) which is in the "desert" or "wilderness" (used Hebrew 'arabah = Arabia). After exploring extensively Zion’s description, one can conclude without a shadow of doubt that it is a reference to Mecca. Now, in one of the Dead Sea Scrolls documents called 1QM (The War Scroll), a certain passage talks about a warrior who is called "Glorious" and who is a leader of the "army of light" (either angels or believers/saints):

English translation by Geza Vermes

[Rise up, O Hero!
Lead off Thy captives, O Glorious One!
Gather up] Thy spoils, O Author of mighty deeds!
Lay Thy hand on the neck of Thine enemies
and Thy feet [on the pile of the slain!
Smite the nations, Thine adversaries],
and devour flesh with Thy sword!
Fill Thy land with glory
and Thine inheritance with blessing!

That warrior is undoubtedly the same figure described in Isaiah 42:13ff (also Isa 49:1ff), Psalm 45:3-5 and Revelation 19:11-16 (compare these verses and you will notice striking similarities of some details).
Now, the remark about the illiterate being called "Anthropos" and then consequently "Glorious", is extremely important since it is quite consistent with what reported early Muslim exegetes like Ali ibn Rabban (8th century), an ex-Christian scholar influent in Syriac and Hebrew, who was able to identify the name Ahmad in Isaiah 35 (i.e. exactly where Anthropos/Glorious comes to Zion according to the Septuagint). Moreover, al-Tha'labi's Qisas al-Anbiya' (Stories of Prophets), narrates on the authority of Wahb ibn Munabbih, a Jewish scholar, that Isaiah recalled to the Israelites a prophecy about the illiterate prophet Ahmad which in Arabic precisely means "most Glorious", i.e. the one who glorify God in the highest degree (not 'Praised' or 'Praiseworthy' as many Muslims erroneously thinks), whose characteristic is in accordance with the servant of God from Isaiah 42, the very passage where Ka’b cited - according to the report of Ibn Asakir – the words "My servant Ahmad, the Chosen one" !

Now, Philo of Alexandria, in his "De Praemiis et Poenis", quotes the text of Numbers 24:7 (where Anthropos is mentioned), and he says of him the following:

"Some will even flee when no one pursues at all except fear, turning their backs towards the enemy, so as to afford a full mark of shooting, so that it will be very easy for the whole army to fall, being slain to a man; for a man (anthropos) will come forth [Numbers 24:7 LXX], says the word of God, leading a host and warring furiously, who will subdue great and populous nations, God sending that assistance which is suitable for pious men…” (See The works of Philo Judaeus, vol. 3, trans. C. D. Yonge (London: Henry G. Bohn, 1855), pp. 477-478. Here: https://archive.org/details/worksofphilojuda03phil/page/476)

By saying "leading a host and warring furiously [i.e. over his enemies]", Philo is indirectly making a reference to Isaiah 42:13 (he will stir up like a man of war, etc.). Notice that the beginning of the text "Some will even flee when no one pursues at all except fear, turning their backs towards the enemy, so as to afford a full mark of shooting, so that it will be very easy for the whole army to fall..." is a curious allusion to the first Muslims (who fought against Quraysh) who were defeated by being attacked from behind (this was a bitter lesson for Muslims because they disobeyed Prophet who commanded them to stay in their position but they didn't listened and consequently lost the battle). However, I'm not sure whether it happened during the Battle of al-Uhud or Battle of al-Badr. Read the rest of the text of Philo in page 478 and you will notice some allusion to the incident of the Jews of Khaibar who refused to accept Mohammed, they betrayed him and tried to kill him, but they were defeated and enslaved which is a reference to Isaiah 42:22-25 and Hosea 9:6-9 where the text according to the Septuagint says that "Mamadius will bury them" making an obvious reference to the massacre of Bani Qurajza (who were capitulated and buried in holes) after God put a judgement upon them so that the death would be a deserved punishment for them.

Moreover, my later research shows that this mysterious "Anthropos" seems to be a reference to the Quranic "Taha", the title of Sura 20 where Allah addresses Prophet Mohammed (SAAW) by this mysterious expression which means "O man" (according to an authoritative Quranic dictionary, here): https://books.google.fr/books?id=mclrIKdye5QC&pg=PA573&dq=Quran+20+Taha+means+O+man&hl=pl&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiIlILh9tDiAhUSmRQKHdx4AtMQ6AEIMTAB#v=onepage&q=Quran%2020%20Taha%20means%20O%20man&f=false

See also this video below where it is explained that even in Hebrew and Syriac language, the term taha means "O man"(fragment of the video 7:43-8:42 min.):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_HtiVOJlow&t=8s

Now, the Samaritan tradition call the "prophet like Moses" from Deuteronomy 18:18 by the name "Tahab" making it strikingly similar to the Quranic "Taha". Coincidence? Read also the next verses that comes immediately after the word Taha (O Man): "We have not sent down to you the Qur'an that you be distressed" https://quran.com/20. This makes a parallel allusion to the Book given to the illiterate in Isaiah 29:12 who according to LXX is called the "man" (Anthropos). What is surprising also is the thematical agreement of later verses in Surat Taha. For example, it recalls the case of Moses (AS) and how he was sent to Pharaoh in Egypt. If you read Isaiah 30, you will notice the reference to Pharaoh and Egypt, magicians, etc. Again, is it a coincidence ?

Can you handle all of these crazy connections ? Actually, there are more details… there are TOO MUCH exciting details that must be investigated.

Alhamdulillah for all!

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Also, brother Osama, I have sent you into your email some links related to your theory concerning the expression "Jehovah Jireh" (Gen. 22:14). It is possible that it might be what are you suggesting akhi! Masha'Allah.



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Re: The name "Hira" in Isaiah 29:12 and corrector's attempt to cover it up!
« Reply #26 on: August 05, 2019, 01:18:58 PM »
Jazaka Allah Khayr, dear brother Idris.  I will get to your material hopefully tonight or tomorrow, insha'Allah.  I've been very busy lately :).

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Re: The name "Hira" in Isaiah 29:12 and corrector's attempt to cover it up!
« Reply #27 on: August 08, 2019, 12:53:39 AM »


No problem akhi. I have sent you my latest update to the section Evidence #1. This time I have added few articles and books written by scholars that confirms the spelling of Hira in its Greek transliterated form Χιρά. A very important info!

Did you actually opened the last file with my updates to Evidence #1 ?

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« Reply #28 on: August 08, 2019, 06:19:44 PM »
Sorry dear brother, I've been quite busy lately.  Too much work.  I will see to it this weekend, insha'Allah.

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Re: The name "Hira" in Isaiah 29:12 and corrector's attempt to cover it up!
« Reply #29 on: November 04, 2019, 01:53:58 PM »


No problem akhi. I have sent you my latest update to the section Evidence #1. This time I have added few articles and books written by scholars that confirms the spelling of Hira in its Greek transliterated form Χιρά. A very important info!

Did you actually opened the last file with my updates to Evidence #1 ?

Salam brother , i started a topic about this on FB and this brother Ijaz Ahamad, who is a debator with christians, tried to disprove your fiding, what can you say, can you get into the discussion on facebook with this brother if you have better argument than i have



our discussion on Facebook
https://www.facebook.com/groups/130763117665481/596541127754342/?comment_id=597107107697744&reply_comment_id=597152174359904&notif_id=1572896796394919&notif_t=group_comment_mention

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Re: The name "Hira" in Isaiah 29:12 and corrector's attempt to cover it up!
« Reply #30 on: November 11, 2019, 04:10:08 PM »

Wa aleikum as-salam wa rahmatullahi wa baraketuh,

I apologize for my late response! Yes, I will get to this discussion insha'Allah but from what I see, our brother Ijaz Ahmad either didn't understood well my research or he simply didn't read it entirely and/or didn't took into account all of the information related e.g. to the issue concerning the so-called "iotacism" which was a problematic one among the Septuagint experts themselves (like Alfred Rahlfs). According to traditional Islamic stories about prophets, it appears that this illiterate from Isaiah 29:12 was ORIGINALLY identified as "Ahmad" and he was connected directly with the character universally known as the "Servant of God" who is described in Isaiah 42 (Ibn Asakir recorded one naration from Ka'b al-Ahbar who found the name Ahmad being ascribed to this servant... in some Yemeni or probably Syriac version of Isaiah that available to him at that time). Besides that, there is a lot of other details which consequently lead in this direction supporting my argument about Ahmad who was originally mentioned in Isaiah as the ultimate redemptive figure but the last editors of the Hebrew Bible restructured the text and changed the whole prophetic narratives in favor of Israel (so they put Jacob/Israel insted of Ahmad!).

Anyway, perhaps the real reason Brother Idjaz Ahmad opposes my research is because he don't believe at all that Isaiah 29:12 is a prophecy about Prophet Mohammed (SAAW) because of the negative context in which the illiterate is put and because no early Muslim scholar ever has quoted the text of Isaiah 29:12 with respect to Prophet Mohammed (SAAW). The first one who started this argumentation was probably Ahmad Deedat.

I will try to enter the discussion in FB as soon as possible insha'Allah.

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Re: The name "Hira" in Isaiah 29:12 and corrector's attempt to cover it up!
« Reply #31 on: November 13, 2019, 03:38:36 AM »

Wa aleikum as-salam wa rahmatullahi wa baraketuh,

I apologize for my late response! Yes, I will get to this discussion insha'Allah but from what I see, our brother Ijaz Ahmad either didn't understood well my research or he simply didn't read it entirely and/or didn't took into account all of the information related e.g. to the issue concerning the so-called "iotacism" which was a problematic one among the Septuagint experts themselves (like Alfred Rahlfs). According to traditional Islamic stories about prophets, it appears that this illiterate from Isaiah 29:12 was ORIGINALLY identified as "Ahmad" and he was connected directly with the character universally known as the "Servant of God" who is described in Isaiah 42 (Ibn Asakir recorded one naration from Ka'b al-Ahbar who found the name Ahmad being ascribed to this servant... in some Yemeni or probably Syriac version of Isaiah that available to him at that time). Besides that, there is a lot of other details which consequently lead in this direction supporting my argument about Ahmad who was originally mentioned in Isaiah as the ultimate redemptive figure but the last editors of the Hebrew Bible restructured the text and changed the whole prophetic narratives in favor of Israel (so they put Jacob/Israel insted of Ahmad!).

Anyway, perhaps the real reason Brother Idjaz Ahmad opposes my research is because he don't believe at all that Isaiah 29:12 is a prophecy about Prophet Mohammed (SAAW) because of the negative context in which the illiterate is put and because no early Muslim scholar ever has quoted the text of Isaiah 29:12 with respect to Prophet Mohammed (SAAW). The first one who started this argumentation was probably Ahmad Deedat.

I will try to enter the discussion in FB as soon as possible insha'Allah.


name Ahmad or Ahmod is found in Isaiah in dead sea scrolls, look here


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hebrew bible


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Word Ahmad in bible

אחמד Ahmad

Bible in hebrew Isaiah 42
http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt1042.htm

DSS orginal manuscripts
http://dss.collections.imj.org.il/isaiah#42:1

freetranslation
https://www.freetranslation.com/


and i made this phtoo also, beacuse we need to compare word HIra with other words which corrector Cb3 tried to connect with, when you compare these obviosly it looks like he tried to correct it to match word Heiras


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Re: The name "Hira" in Isaiah 29:12 and corrector's attempt to cover it up!
« Reply #32 on: November 13, 2019, 05:18:20 AM »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brother Dawud and Idris,

Jazakum Allah Khayr for your research.

Brother Dawud, I have saved and uploaded your images to the website and re-linked them in your post to permanently preserve them with this website, insha'Allah.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah