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As'salamu Alaikum Everyone,

I have just uploaded new evidence at: http://www.answering-christianity.com/satanic_verses.htm, with many portraits, from the Bible that proved that Jesus Christ not only was tempted by satan for 40 days and 40 nights.  Now keep in mind that the Bible considers coveting a moral sin.  I've proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that Christ did indeed covet.  The temptation got so bad and to a point where:

1-  Christ "suffered" from the temptation as the NT says, for 40 days and 40 nights.

2-  Christ had "evil desires" in him.

3-  Christ felt spiritually weak that Angels had to come down to "attend him", because he was getting weaker and weaker, spiritually from satan's temptation.

4-  Christ was between satan and GOD Almighty for 40 days and 40 nights.

5-  Christ coveted the kingdoms of the world, and coveted turning them into satanic world such as open pornography, alcoholism, drugs, violence, theft, prostitution and all of the sins that one can think of.

6-  The Bible says GOD Almighty can not be tempted by anyone!  Yet, Christ was tempted for 40 days and 40 nights, and the temptation got very bad too for him.

Question to all Christians:  If you don't consider this coveting, then how long must it have taken Christ from temptation in order for it to become coveting according to YOU?  41 days?  100 days?  40 years??  Clearly, Christ wasn't perfect nor sinless.  He was a great Messenger of GOD Almighty and His Prophet.  He was NOT the Creator of the Universe.

Let me know what you think, dear brothers and sisters in Islam.  All critisism are always welcomed! :)  This is how we learn and improve and cleanse the falsehood and errors from us.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Re: Jesus' temptation for 40 days and 40 nights was also Coveting!
« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2012, 01:50:02 PM »


assalamu alaikum


The so called satanic verses, are proved to be forgeries ,without any reasonable doubt ....

The story of Christ temptation ,is a narrative portrays what was going on inside Jesus' mind, calling Jesus the Son of God, a mountain high enough in all the world to see the whole world ,The account of Matthew uses language from the Old Testament. The imagery of a conflict between an earlier "Jesus" and "the devil" would be familiar to Matthew's contemporary readers, recalling the vision of a conflict between Satan and the Angel of the Lord(wiki).

 The story is fictional forgeries that "just as most new testament stories" is based on borrowing some themes from the old testament ...

The satanic verses and the Christ temptation are both forgeries , comparing them to make a point ..is like two wrongs can make one right....


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I really admire your open mindedness and your welcoming the alternative views ..... no doubt we are all here agree on the conclusions ,even if we use alternative means ..

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Re: Jesus' temptation for 40 days and 40 nights was also Coveting!
« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2012, 01:00:57 AM »
2-  Christ had "evil desires" in him.


My reply: Yucks! "2-  Christ (man) had "evil desires" in him (man) (also/ musculine gender) (?)."

I once read a person posted something like these "99% of (people calling themselves) Christians are ignorant of their own Bible."
Call to the Way of your Lord with fair guidance and counselling.

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Re: Jesus' temptation for 40 days and 40 nights was also Coveting!
« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2012, 10:39:49 PM »
Note: I'm not a Muslim, nor do I have any intention of becoming a Muslim. I'm a follower of Jesus and I believe the Bible is the ultimate moral and theological standard; however, I do wish to understand the Quran and know more about Islam.

I'm not quite sure where you would get the presumption that Jesus coveted from these verses.

1. Yes, he suffered from temptation.

2. Jesus did not have evil desires. James 1:13-15 (NKJV) "When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; but each person is tempted when they are dragged away by their own evil desire and enticed. Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death."
It is talking about the built-in sin nature that all men have, saying that you are tempted because of your own sinful desires. "The flesh." Because Jesus was conceived of the Holy Spirit and born of a virgin, he did not have the sinful nature inherited from Adam. He could not be tempted of himself or by evil. Therefore, Satan tempted Jesus, and He was not drawn by His evil desires. Nowhere in scripture is this even implied.

3. Yes, Jesus felt weak. He would have had to have felt weak. This doesn't mean that he sinned. Hebrews 4:15 "For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin." You assume that it was spiritual weakness. Why could it not have been physical weakness? After all, he did fast for 40 days.

4. I'm not quite sure what this means. Could you elaborate?

5. No, he didn't covet them. He refused them and he refused bowing down to Satan. He knew that he would return to earth a 2nd time at Jerusalem and wage a (very, very short) war to reclaim them. Where on earth from Luke chapter 4 do you get the idea that he coveted turning them into a satanic world?

6. It is referring to God the father (Jehovah), not God the son (Jesus), who in the human form had the attributes of a human, including the ability for Satan to tempt Him. He became a human because God in the spiritual form could not die or be tempted or have sin placed upon Him. All three needed to occur for our sins to be taken away with the blood of Christ. To show the world that He loved it, He came to earth (being 100% human and 100% God) so He could have our sins placed upon Him as a sacrifice so we could be forgiven. If he could not even be tempted, then how could he bear our sin?

Covetousness (sin): lusting after something that you are not supposed to have.
Tempted (not sin): being asked or offered to do something or accept something wrong.

Answer to you: Jesus is the son of God, he does not sin nor desire sin; it is revolting to Him. For example, if you tempt me with a plate of manure, tempting me for a day, a week, 23 days or even 40 days isn't going to increase my desire to eat the plate of manure. Jesus was tempted to sin, but he did not covet after the sin. Again, Hebrews 4:15. According to the Bible, Christ was sinless and perfect.

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Re: Jesus' temptation for 40 days and 40 nights was also Coveting!
« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2012, 12:23:31 PM »
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I'm not quite sure where you would get the presumption that Jesus coveted from these verses.

Peace be upon you pianoxtreme99,

I got it from the fact that Jesus Christ, according to the NT, was between GOD and satan for 40 days and 40 nights.  That's a lot of time for temptation.  And yes, while Christ, the Prophet of Allah Almighty, didn't commit the sins that satan wanted him to commit, but he still coveted, because it took him a very long time to overcome satan's temptation.  I don't know how you would feel if your wife was between you and another man for 40 days and 40 nights. 

What kind of a GOD is Jesus Christ, anyway, when the Bible clearly says that GOD Almighty can not be tempted.  Yet, Jesus was very badly tempted for 40 days and 40 nights by satan.

Jesus was not GOD Almighty, nor was he perfect.  He was a creation of GOD Almighty and he wasn't perfect.  He was GOD Almighty's Messenger and Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him and upon all of the Prophets and Messengers of GOD Almighty.  Ameen.

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Answer to you: Jesus is the son of God, he does not sin nor desire sin; it is revolting to Him. For example, if you tempt me with a plate of manure, tempting me for a day, a week, 23 days or even 40 days isn't going to increase my desire to eat the plate of manure. Jesus was tempted to sin, but he did not covet after the sin. Again, Hebrews 4:15. According to the Bible, Christ was sinless and perfect.

You are clearly confused between being actually tempted, and someone trying to tempt you while you're not interested.  In order for you to be tempted, you have to have an interest or desire in the thing that you're being tempted on.  This is why Jesus Christ, because of his temptation, had "evil desires" in him, and felt spiritually "weak", and got very weak that Angels had to come down to spiritually "attend him".  And he's the same person who said that if your eye sins then pluck it out, and if your hand sins then cut it off and throw it away.  Yet, satan was able to scramble his desires for 40 days and 40 nights.  If that is not coveting, pianoxtreme99, then what is it then?  Please visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/satanic_verses.htm.

Furthermore, in order for you to be tempted in something, you have to have a desire and wish of having it.  The Catholic Priests who supposedly stay virgins are constantly tempted to have sex (either with children, women or other men).  Many of them resist it and many of them fail and commit the sexual sin.  Those who failed failed because they already had the urge in them.   Temptation just simply paved the way for them to commit the sin.  But have they not had any desire in having sex (as humans we all have that desire) then they would not be tempted. 

To put it more simply and clearly for you, pianoxtreme99, I may be able to tempt you to have sex with a woman, because deep inside you you may be dying to have her, and we both may happen to know her in person, and she's single and she has an great interest in you, and in your head you'd be thinking about it, but I most definitely won't be able to tempt you to eat a rotten, dead and stinking cat that is laying on the side of a road, because you most certainly don't have that desire and urge to eat that disgusting thing.  Let alone you taking 40 days and 40 nights to think about it.  And Christ supposedly came from Heaven.  Therefore, nothing on this earth should tempt him for 1 second, let alone for 40 days and 40 nights.  My apologies to the reader if my example sounded disgusting.  I was just making a point that demonstrates the difference between actually being tempted, and someone trying to tempt you on something that you would never be tempted on.

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Again, Hebrews 4:15. According to the Bible, Christ was sinless and perfect.

Frankly, I don't care what the man-made Hebrews 4:15 says, because the evidence is overwhelmingly clear about Jesus Christ being tempted very badly by satan, and him being between GOD and satan for 40 days and 40 nights.  Yes, to me that is coveting.  And coveting is one of the Bible Old Testament's moral sins.  Again, I am not saying that Christ was evil here.  But he certainly wasn't perfect nor sinless.  And most importantly, he is not, was not and can not be GOD Almighty, the Creator of the Universe.  Saying he was is a clear blasphemy.

Please visit: visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/authors_gospels.htm to see how most of the Bible was not only written by ordinary men who were not chosen by GOD Almighty, but they were also mysterious and unknown authors.  The books were also written in unknown dates and unknown lands.  And they're full of contradictions as this link clearly demonstrates.

I hope this makes it abundantly clear for you.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah


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Re: Jesus' temptation for 40 days and 40 nights was also Coveting!
« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2012, 03:57:04 PM »
According to the Bible, Christ was sinless and perfect.

Why do you call him GOOD?
«We were the lowest of all people and then Allah gave us glory by Islam, and if we seek glory in anything other that what Allah has given us, Allah will disgrace us.» Umar ibn Khattab

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Re: Jesus' temptation for 40 days and 40 nights was also Coveting!
« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2012, 04:39:31 PM »
Good point dear brother 'Final Overture'.  Christ can not be GOD Almighty, the Creator of the Universe, in light of the following verse and many other verses from the Bible:

""Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good–except God alone."  (From the NIV Bible, Mark 10:18)"

Your brother,
Osama Abdallah

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Re: Jesus' temptation for 40 days and 40 nights was also Coveting!
« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2012, 08:36:40 AM »
As-Salâmu `Alaykum Wa Rahmatullâhi Wa Barakâtuh,
As a Muslim, I think Jesus (peace and blessings be upon him) never committing any kind of sin, basedd on the following Hadîth: "Some (cooked) meat was brought to Allah Apostle and the meat of a forearm was presented to him as he used to like it. He ate a morsel of it and said, "I will be the chief of all the people on the Day of Resurrection. Do you know the reason for it? Allah will gather all the human being of early generations as well as late generation on one plain so that the announcer will be able to make them all-hear his voice and the watcher will be able to see all of them. The sun will come so close to the people that they will suffer such distress and trouble as they will not be able to bear or stand. Then the people will say, 'Don't you see to what state you have reached? Won't you look for someone who can intercede for you with your Lord' Some people will say to some others, 'Go to Adam.' So they will go to Adam and say to him. 'You are the father of mankind; Allah created you with His Own Hand, and breathed into you of His Spirit (meaning the spirit which he created for you); and ordered the angels to prostrate before you; so (please) intercede for us with your Lord. Don't you see in what state we are? Don't you see what condition we have reached?' Adam will say, 'Today my Lord has become angry as He has never become before, nor will ever become thereafter. He forbade me (to eat of the fruit of) the tree, but I disobeyed Him . Myself! Myself! Myself! (I am preoccuied with my own problems). Go to someone else; go to Noah.' So they will go to Noah and say (to him), 'O Noah! You are the first (of Allah's Messengers) to the people of the earth, and Allah has named you a thankful slave; please intercede for us with your Lord. Don't you see in what state we are?' He will say.' Today my Lord has become angry as He has never become nor will ever become thereafter. I had (in the world) the right to make one definitely accepted invocation, and I made it against my nation. Myself! Myself! Myself! Go to someone else; go to Abraham.' They will go to Abraham and say, 'O Abraham! You are Allah's Apostle and His Khalil from among the people of the earth; so please intercede for us with your Lord. Don't you see in what state we are?' He will say to them, 'My Lord has today become angry as He has never become before, nor will ever become thereafter. I had told three lies (Abu Haiyan (the sub-narrator) mentioned them in the Hadith) Myself! Myself! Myself! Go to someone else; go to Moses.' The people will then go to Moses and say, 'O Moses! You art Allah's Apostle and Allah gave you superiority above the others with this message and with His direct Talk to you; (please) intercede for us with your Lord Don't you see in what state we are?' Moses will say, 'My Lord has today become angry as He has never become before, nor will become thereafter, I killed a person whom I had not been ordered to kill. Myself! Myself! Myself! Go to someone else; go to Jesus.' So they will go to Jesus and say, 'O Jesus! You are Allah's Apostle and His Word which He sent to Mary, and a superior soul created by Him, and you talked to the people while still young in the cradle. Please intercede for us with your Lord. Don't you see in what state we are?' Jesus will say. 'My Lord has today become angry as He has never become before nor will ever become thereafter. Jesus will not mention any sin, but will say, 'Myself! Myself! Myself! Go to someone else; go to Muhammad.' So they will come to me and say, 'O Muhammad ! You are Allah's Apostle and the last of the prophets, and Allah forgave your early and late sins. (Please) intercede for us with your Lord. Don't you see in what state we are?" The Prophet added, "Then I will go beneath Allah's Throne and fall in prostration before my Lord. And then Allah will guide me to such praises and glorification to Him as He has never guided anybody else before me. Then it will be said, 'O Muhammad Raise your head. Ask, and it will be granted. Intercede and It (your intercession) will be accepted.' So I will raise my head and Say, 'My followers, O my Lord! My followers, O my Lord'. It will be said, 'O Muhammad! Let those of your followers who have no accounts, enter through such a gate of the gates of Paradise as lies on the right; and they will share the other gates with the people." The Prophet further said, "By Him in Whose Hand my soul is, the distance between every two gate-posts of Paradise is like the distance between Mecca and Busra (in Sham)."
Nevertheless, we are all human beings and do mistakes sometimes, thus Allâh Alone knows best.

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Re: Jesus' temptation for 40 days and 40 nights was also Coveting!
« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2012, 10:34:41 AM »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brother RamziBinNabil,

Can you please work on formatting and spacing the text of your posts, brother?  The way they appear they appear as one big dump of raw text.  They're difficult to read dear brother.  Please space out your paragraphs with carriage returns as you see in all of the other posts.

Thank you akhi.

Your brother,
Osama Abdallah

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Re: Jesus' temptation for 40 days and 40 nights was also Coveting!
« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2012, 08:28:15 AM »
Wa `Alaykumus Salâm Wa Rahmâtullahi Wa Barakâtuh brother Osama,
Jazâkallahu Khayran for the tip.  :)