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I need help!
« on: August 15, 2012, 05:53:24 AM »
I am looking for a Muslim who really knows their Qur'an and Hadiths and can answer many of the objections faced by Islam.  My forum is called: I Am Christ Forum and I really need a resident Muslim Apologist.  If you think you can handle the challenge please come and join my forum: http://iamchristforum.com/christ/forum.php

You may get a few converts out of it, but at the very least, you will have the chance to defend Islam!

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Re: I need help! Defend Islam.
« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2012, 06:53:53 AM »
Keep in mind, it is your duty to intellectually defend Islam, so come over to I Am Christ Forum and defend it.  Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."

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« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2012, 07:05:51 AM »

If you want to have intellectual discussion with us  ,it has to be here. and be assured you will never be censored unless you resort to "addressing the person not the point,offensive language".

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« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2012, 07:38:54 AM »
I am looking for a Muslim who really knows their Qur'an and Hadiths and can answer many of the objections faced by Islam
Hello.
Why not ask them here?
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My forum is called: I Am Christ Forum
Are you a Christ? :)

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You may get a few converts out of it, but at the very least, you will have the chance to defend Islam!
I kinda, do it mostly every day on Youtube :P
«We were the lowest of all people and then Allah gave us glory by Islam, and if we seek glory in anything other that what Allah has given us, Allah will disgrace us.» Umar ibn Khattab

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Re: I need help!
« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2012, 08:51:24 AM »
I am looking for a Muslim who really knows their Qur'an and Hadiths and can answer many of the objections faced by Islam
Hello.
Why not ask them here?
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My forum is called: I Am Christ Forum
Are you a Christ? :)

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You may get a few converts out of it, but at the very least, you will have the chance to defend Islam!
I kinda, do it mostly every day on Youtube :P


My forum isn't for you.  It is only for those who have the courage to face off against real atheists and Christians in an environment which is inhospitable.  Don't worry about it.

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« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2012, 10:07:49 AM »
I am looking for a Muslim who really knows their Qur'an and Hadiths and can answer many of the objections faced by Islam
Hello.
Why not ask them here?
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My forum is called: I Am Christ Forum
Are you a Christ? :)

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You may get a few converts out of it, but at the very least, you will have the chance to defend Islam!
I kinda, do it mostly every day on Youtube :P


My forum isn't for you.  It is only for those who have the courage to face off against real atheists and Christians in an environment which is inhospitable.  Don't worry about it.
Fine then lol :P
«We were the lowest of all people and then Allah gave us glory by Islam, and if we seek glory in anything other that what Allah has given us, Allah will disgrace us.» Umar ibn Khattab

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« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2012, 01:16:28 PM »
Michael Sherlock,

In your blog, you call the Prophet of Islam, peace be upon him, a pedophile for being "attracted to young children".  The "children" that you refer to were considred adults back in the days.  Osama Bin Zayd, a Muslim who lead an army of 30,000 Muslims agains the Romans was 16 years old.  So for you to used today's standards is certainly off.

Also, according to the Catholics' New Advant Ecyclopedia, Mary, peace be upon her, was as  young as 11 when she got pregnant with Christ.  This means that she was 10 according to your sources when she got pregnant.  Visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/aisha.htm.

Also, Aisha, the Prophet's wife and only wife who was young, was offered to him.  And he married her.  He didn't rape her.  He married her.  The whole society accepted it.

So no, the Prophet of Islam was not a pedophile.  It is you who is desperate and phony to disprove Islam based on things that are far worse in your scriptures.  And while we're at it, visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac10.htm#links and http://www.answering-christianity.com/x_rated.htm to see the praised X-Rated Pornography in the Bible, where your book praises the relationship between a boyfriend and a girlfriend, and she wished if he were her "brother" nursed from her mother's "breasts" so that she wouldn't have to need to take him home in secret to "their bed".

Osama Abdallah
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« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2012, 02:25:24 PM »
Michael Sherlock,

In your blog, you call the Prophet of Islam, peace be upon him, a pedophile for being "attracted to young children".  The "children" that you refer to were considred adults back in the days.  Osama Bin Zayd, a Muslim who lead an army of 30,000 Muslims agains the Romans was 16 years old.  So for you to used today's standards is certainly off.

Also, according to the Catholics' New Advant Ecyclopedia, Mary, peace be upon her, was as  young as 11 when she got pregnant with Christ.  This means that she was 10 according to your sources when she got pregnant.  Visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/aisha.htm.

Also, Aisha, the Prophet's wife and only wife who was young, was offered to him.  And he married her.  He didn't rape her.  He married her.  The whole society accepted it.

So no, the Prophet of Islam was not a pedophile.  It is you who is desperate and phony to disprove Islam based on things that are far worse in your scriptures.  And while we're at it, visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac10.htm#links and http://www.answering-christianity.com/x_rated.htm to see the praised X-Rated Pornography in the Bible, where your book praises the relationship between a boyfriend and a girlfriend, and she wished if he were her "brother" nursed from her mother's "breasts" so that she wouldn't have to need to take him home in secret to "their bed".

Osama Abdallah
www.answering-christianity.com
Don't forget: http://www.answering-christianity.com/aishahage.htm
«We were the lowest of all people and then Allah gave us glory by Islam, and if we seek glory in anything other that what Allah has given us, Allah will disgrace us.» Umar ibn Khattab

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« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2012, 03:09:04 PM »
Quote from: .wikipedia.age of consent/Marriageable_age
History and social attitudes

Traditionally, across the globe, the age of consent for a sexual union was a matter for the family to decide, or a tribal custom. In most cases, this coincided with signs of puberty, menstruation for a woman and pubic hair for a man.
In Ancient Rome, it was very common for girls to marry and have children shortly after the onset of puberty.  The first recorded age-of-consent law dates back 800 years: In 1275, in England, as part of the rape law, a statute, Westminster 1, made it a misdemeanor to "ravish" a "maiden within age," whether with or without her consent. The phrase "within age" was interpreted by jurist Sir Edward Coke as meaning the age of marriage, which at the time was 12 years of age.
In the 12th century Gratian, the influential founder of Canon law in medieval Europe, accepted age of puberty for marriage to be between 12 and 14 but acknowledged consent to be meaningful if the children were older than 7. There were authorities that said that consent could take place earlier. Marriage would then be valid as long as neither of the two parties annulled the marital agreement before reaching puberty, or if they had already consummated the marriage. It should be noted that Judges honored marriages based on mutual consent at ages younger than 7, in spite of what Gratian had said; there are recorded marriages of 2 and 3 year olds.
The American colonies followed the English tradition, and the law was more of a guide. For example, Mary Hathaway (Virginia, 1689) was only 9 when she was married to William Williams. Sir Edward Coke (England, 17th century) "made it clear that the marriage of girls under 12 was normal, and the age at which a girl who was a wife was eligible for a dower from her husband's estate was 9 even though her husband be only four years old."


A small number of Italian and German states introduced an age of consent in the 16th century, setting it at 12 years. Towards the end of the 18th century, other European countries also began to enact age of consent laws. The first French Constitution established an age of consent of 11 years in 1791, which was raised to 13 in 1863. Portugal, Spain, Denmark and the Swiss cantons, initially set the age of consent at 10–12 years and then raised it to between 13 and 16 years in the second half of the 19th century.Historically, the English common law set the age of consent to range from 10 to 12.

In the United States, by the 1880s, most states set the age of consent at 10–12, and in one state, Delaware, the age of consent was only 7. A New York Times article states that it was still aged 7 in Delaware in 1895.Female reformers and advocates of social purity initiated a campaign in 1885 to petition legislators to raise the legal age of consent to at least 16, with the ultimate goal to raise the age to 18. The campaign was successful, with almost all states raised the age of consent to 16–18 by 1920.
Social (and the resulting legal) attitudes toward the appropriate age of consent have drifted upwards in modern times. For example, while ages from 10 to 13 were typically acceptable in Western countries during the mid-19th century, the end of the 19th century and the beginning of the 20th century were marked by changing attitudes towards sexuality and childhood resulting in raising the ages of consent to ages generally ranging from 16 to 18.




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Re: I need help!
« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2012, 01:17:14 AM »
M. SherLock (aka Christ?),

Jesus Lied About Prayer

    Jesus is quoted many times in the Bible saying that a believer can ask for anything through prayer and receive it.  He even goes so far as to say that mountains and trees can be thrown into the sea simply by praying for it.  This is clearly a lie, and can be proven to be a lie by any believer.  Simply pray for me to be converted to Christianity right away.  Or better yet ask God to move the mountains behind my house.  He could make a lot of converts that way.  If I’m converted today, I’ll post a public apology HERE and devote my life to kissing “your God’s **s”.  If I’m not converted it would only be fair for you to apologize and devote your life to kissing my butt.  ;D
 
    Here are the quotes from Jesus that proves that he lied:
 
    1)  And Jesus answered and said to them, "Truly I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, `Be taken up and cast into the sea,' it will happen.  "And all things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive."  (Matthew 21:21-22 NAS)
 
    2)  Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.  For everyone who asks, receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.  (Matthew 7:7-8 NAB)
 
    3)  Again I say to you, that if two of you agree on earth about anything that they may ask, it shall be done for them by My Father who is in heaven.  For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst.  (Matthew 18:19-20 NAS)
 
    4)  Amen, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, 'Be lifted up and thrown into the sea,' and does not doubt in his heart but believes that what he says will happen, it shall be done for him.  Therefore I tell you, all that you ask for in prayer, believe that you will receive it and it shall be yours.  (Mark 11:24-25 NAB)
 
    5)  And I tell you, ask and you will receive; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.  For everyone who asks, receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.  (Luke 11:9-13 NAB)
 
    6)  And whatever you ask in my name, I will do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son.  If you ask anything of me in my name, I will do it.  (John 14:13-14 NAB)
 
    7)  If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask for whatever you want and it will be done for you.  (John 15:7 NAB)
 
    8)  It was not you who chose me, but I who chose you and appointed you to go and bear fruit that will remain, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name he may give you.  (John 15:16 NAB)
 
    9)  On that day you will not question me about anything.  Amen, amen, I say to you, whatever you ask the Father in my name he will give you.  Until now you have not asked anything in my name; ask and you will receive, so that your joy may be complete.  (John 16:23-24 NAB)
 
    A lot of Christians ignore what Jesus actually says in the Bible.  They also tend to add things to the actual words to make them say something else.  If you honestly and truthfully read these quotes, without adding to them, it is very easy to see that Jesus is not saying that God will think about your prayers.  He says God will grant all your prayers.  Clearly, God doesn’t grant all prayers and this proves that Jesus was a habitual liar.  ;D

HOW ABOUT THIS ONE?  ;D

- Ben
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Re: I need help!
« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2012, 01:23:33 AM »
Let's make it simple: FORGET WHAT OSAMA, ET. AL. ALL SAID. JUST PROVE THE TRUTHFULNESS OF "CHRIST" TO ME. Now pray that I would be a Christian at this very minute!  ;D  ;D  ;D

Failure to make me a Christian = LIES.  ;D  ;D  ;D


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