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Offline Black Muslim

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Re: Expanding earth and human size
« Reply #15 on: December 23, 2012, 07:26:09 am »
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"But the point ,is though the highly position of his collection,and his strict approach to choose his material , very few of his narrations was questioned "

Indeed . Even though he was very strict and careful , that doesn't mean he doesn't make mistakes - with respect to him - and that's how humans are . But I guess that you agree with me it wouldn't harm us if it was true right :) ?

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"to add :
2- If these things match the certain well establieshed historical facts.
3- If these things match the certain well established scientific facts."

Thank you , helpful information :)

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"There is no trustworthy proof of remains of giant humans (where is that museum having such skeletons?!!!) "

These are some pictures . I doubt that they are all fake .

http://forums.islamicawakening.com/f20/prophet-adam-alayhissalam-was-90-feet-tall-31213/
http://www.dailylinked.net/2009/07/giant-human-skeleton-ever-saw.html
http://www.thetruthbehindthescenes.org/2012/01/08/giant-foot-print-of-200-million-years-old-mpaluzi-south-africa/
http://overmanwarrior.wordpress.com/2010/12/20/giants-in-ohio-the-hidden-history-of-the-human-race/

As for the outline , it was helpful . Thanks . The only thing for us to discuss now is the pictures . Do you agree ? Or maybe you have another opinion ?

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Re: Expanding earth and human size
« Reply #16 on: December 23, 2012, 08:36:19 am »
Does the hadith say where Adam PBUH was at that size?
It doesn't say it directly but it must be assumed to be The heavenly paradise.but though Heaven is another dimension and the physics is different there. still that won't change the meaning of the narration ...  claiming that the size of Adam was 60 feet ,and after descending from paradise God made his size shrunk ! is not in harmony with the narration itself....
If Adam's size was shrunk to be as the normal size of a human , then what is the meaning of the portion of the narration " People have been decreasing in stature since Adam's creation".

The narration is clear , the people who followed Adam continued to diminish in size(60 feet) up to modern times !!!


Indeed . Even though he was very strict and careful , that doesn't mean he doesn't make mistakes - with respect to him - and that's how humans are . But I guess that you agree with me it wouldn't harm us if it was true right :) ?

I think the narration poses the problem of gradual decreasing of size of humans , as we have ancient human skeletons that even smaller than modern human shape... (correct me if I'm wrong plz).

but as I explained before ,the narration (and some others narrated by Abu Hurrairah) are questioned ,not only on a textual basis but more important on a chain of narrative basis.

still the fact, in spite of those very few questioned narrations,Albukhari collection is highly trustworthy and informative. may Allah bless his soul Ameen.

The only thing for us to discuss now is the pictures . Do you agree ? Or maybe you have another opinion ?


I trust only the photos of museums , just why no where a skeleton from those is reserved and publicised in a museum?


I would like to conclude the post with interesting information:


A young man in Saudi Arabia created a piece of clothes ,the same size of Adam, according to the narration (29 meters) tall and 12 meters wide !..... lol


take a look






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Re: Expanding earth and human size
« Reply #17 on: December 23, 2012, 12:29:24 pm »
Hmmm . After checking the pictures , I found out that most of them were e-mail hoaxes . And the one shown in that museum is doubted and questioned . The official longest skeleton found was 3.6 meters tall . Actually , to me , that doesn't make a problem . This is a matter of faith . And it could be like what you said and Abu Huraira mistakenly said a telling of "Ka'b Al-Ahbar" as a saying of the prophet . But I hope you could read these and give me your thought . They are from Islamic forums too .

http://www.ebnmaryam.com/vb/t10019.html
http://www.eltwhed.com/vb/showthread.php?14323-%E5%E1-%CD%DE%C7-%D8%E6%E1-%C7%C8%E6%E4%C7-%C2%CF%E3-%D3%CA%E6%E4-%D0%D1%C7%DA%C7%BF%BF%BF%BF%BF%BF%BF%BF%BF/page2


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« Reply #18 on: December 23, 2012, 02:45:06 pm »
Thank you Bro Black Muslim ,though the discussion in the 2 threads you linked was civil, yet most of their posts are irrelevant to what I think the critical point of the tradition .... it is again:

the tradition claims that humans have been decreasing in stature since Adam's creation up till (at least) the prophet's times .....

The earliest fossils of anatomically modern humans are about 200,000 years ago such as the Omo remains of Ethiopia (that if we don't think that the fossils of Homo habilis 2.3 million years ago,belongs to humans).

surely we don't know the time of Adam till such thousands of thousands years ago .... but we can compare the oldest human fossils discovered with the modern human skeleton ...... it is there ,where the critical point is .....  nowhere in the links ,any of them answered that question.....

for me it is not a problem ,as I doubt the authenticity of the tradition ,still highly esteem the collection of Imam Al-Bukhari.

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« Reply #19 on: December 24, 2012, 07:00:55 am »
I see that we agreed almost on everything . But something still makes me fell unrest . You see , when someone comes to us and says :

"The oldest discovered bones were not that tall . Therefore there is a mistake"

That is just an empty claim with no proof . He can't make sure 100% that the oldest bones found were from the time of our father Adam . They could be older and none was able to find them because they molded . And maybe the shrinking was faster in the first generations . And maybe Adam peace upon him was created in the mentioned size and became smaller ( But not as small as us ) when he descended to Earth . And after that people started shrinking slowly and with very tiny amounts ( That's still shrinking ) . And many other possible things . Now , I'm not saying that this DID happen . We're just refuting an empty claim with possibilities . But what really makes my heart unrest is that you doubt this saying . Otherwise , please tell me what makes it untrusted .

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« Reply #20 on: December 24, 2012, 03:43:02 pm »
I see that we agreed almost on everything . But something still makes me fell unrest . You see , when someone comes to us and says :"The oldest discovered bones were not that tall . Therefore there is a mistake"

Omo remains or Homo habilis were taller than current humans ? how much?


He can't make sure 100% that the oldest bones found were from the time of our father Adam .

I agree with you totally in that,yet that is not the point ,our point is the earliest DISCOVERED human fossil size,compared with the current size....


maybe the shrinking was faster in the first generations .

what is the proof of a slower shrinking , in the last generation "from the time of the earliest human fossils discovered, up till now" ?

what really makes my heart unrest is that you doubt this saying . Otherwise , please tell me what makes it untrusted .

May be you forgot my reason ,dear brother .....
actually you even considered it a possibility.... let me quote you,plz:

And it could be like what you said and Abu Huraira mistakenly said a telling of "Ka'b Al-Ahbar" as a saying of the prophet .
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Re: Expanding earth and human size
« Reply #21 on: December 25, 2012, 12:42:09 am »
"Omo remains or Homo habilis were taller than current humans ? how much?"

Huh ? What do you mean ? I think you misunderstood me .

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"what is the proof of a slower shrinking , in the last generation "from the time of the earliest human fossils discovered, up till now" ?"

We're just mentioning possibilities to refute a charge against Islam that doesn't have a valid proof to it . I'm not saying that this DID happen . But it's just to reveal what's possible . And may God show us something in the future that can give us a crystal clear answer :)

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Re: Expanding earth and human size
« Reply #22 on: December 25, 2012, 01:19:37 am »
or maybe Adam was a dinosaur

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« Reply #23 on: December 28, 2012, 07:01:26 am »
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or maybe Adam was a dinosaur

How rude ! Behave !

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Re: Expanding earth and human size
« Reply #24 on: December 28, 2012, 07:04:54 am »
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or maybe Adam was a dinosaur

How rude ! Behave !

How is that rude? It's just a hypothesis!

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Re: Expanding earth and human size
« Reply #25 on: December 28, 2012, 02:49:51 pm »
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or maybe Adam was a dinosaur

How rude ! Behave !

How is that rude? It's just a hypothesis!

a hypothesis based on scientific or religious "Islamic" grounds?

The scientific theory doesn't say the first human was a dinosaur , Islam doesn't say we evolved from a dinosaur like creature "Adam" ....

a baseless hypothesis ,indeed.