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Re: POLL: What is your Religion?
« Reply #15 on: December 23, 2012, 07:45:32 pm »
I see that my subtitles, especially in minute 08:17 didn't appear right.  In minute 08:17, he BOLDLY said: "No! Calling Allah without Ali with him is polytheism".

I'll fix the video and regenerate it again, insha'Allah.  I did this very quickly for you brothers and sisters.  I'll make it much better insha'Allah and make official update on the website with it along with other work that I am doing.

Take care,
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Re: POLL: What is your Religion?
« Reply #16 on: December 24, 2012, 12:39:08 am »
After reading most of the stuff, I think I'm actually a Quranist.

However, I am 100% sure that the Jews corrupted the hadith (Bukhari was a Jew). The non Muslims really use these hadith to slam Islam.

Jewish belief 1 - Allah has arms and feet

 Volume 9, Book 93, Number 541:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said, "Paradise and Hell (Fire) quarrelled in the presence of their Lord. Paradise said, 'O Lord! What is wrong with me that only the poor and humble people enter me ?' Hell (Fire) said, I have been favored with the arrogant people.' So Allah said to Paradise, 'You are My Mercy,' and said to Hell, 'You are My Punishment which I inflict upon whom I wish, and I shall fill both of you.'" The Prophet added, "As for Paradise, (it will be filled with good people) because Allah does not wrong any of His created things, and He creates for Hell (Fire) whomever He will, and they will be thrown into it, and it will say thrice, 'Is there any more, till Allah (will put) His Foot over it and it will become full and its sides will come close to each other and it will say, 'Qat! Qat! Qat! (Enough! Enough! Enough!) .

2) A she monkey committed adultery

 Volume 5, Book 58, Number 188:  Narrated 'Amr bin Maimun:

During the pre-lslamic period of ignorance I saw a she-monkey surrounded by a number of monkeys. They were all stoning it, because it had committed illegal sexual intercourse. I too, stoned it along with them.

3)  Book 30, Number 30.1.7 is just plain disgusting

4)  Volume 9, Book 93, Number 530:

Narrated Jarir bin 'Abdullah:
The Prophet said, "You will definitely see your Lord with your own eyes."

I've even heard them say Allah will give us an angry look on the day of judgement. Allah has no form! Even deism makes more sense in front of these hadith. Deism is like, God is one, but he didn't send revelation. He has no form either, and he's unified with nature.

 Volume 1, Book 8, Number 360:

Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:

While Allah's Apostle was carrying stones (along) with the people of Mecca for (the building of) the Ka'ba wearing an Izar (waist-sheet cover), his uncle Al-'Abbas said to him, "O my nephew! (It would be better) if you take off your Izar and put it over your shoulders underneath the stones." So he took off his Izar and put it over his shoulders, but he fell unconscious and since then he had never been seen naked.

 Volume 4, Book 53, Number 400:

Narrated Aisha:

Once the Prophet was bewitched so that he began to imagine that he had done a thing which in fact he had not done. The rest is too inappropriate to write here

Women compared to dogs and donkeys

 Book 004, Number 1034:

Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: A woman, an *** and a dog disrupt the prayer, but something like the back of a saddle guards against that.

Abu Huraira admits fabrication:

 Volume 7, Book 64, Number 268:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

"The Prophet said, 'The best alms is that which is given when one is rich, and a giving hand is better than a taking one, and you should start first to support your dependents.' A wife says, 'You should either provide me with food or divorce me.' A slave says, 'Give me food and enjoy my service." A son says, "Give me food; to whom do you leave me?" The people said, "O Abu Huraira! Did you hear that from Allah's Apostle?" He said, "No, it is from my own self."

And the worst, female abuse:  Volume 8, Book 82, Number 828:

Narrated Aisha:

Abu Bakr came to towards me and struck me violently with his fist and said, "You have detained the people because of your necklace." But I remained motionless as if I was dead lest I should awake Allah's Apostle although that hit was very painful.

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Re: POLL: What is your Religion?
« Reply #17 on: December 24, 2012, 03:46:06 am »

I think your position is exaggerated (There is only one God ) I will in a hurry address some of the narration you posted ....

Jewish belief 1 - Allah has arms and feet
 Volume 9, Book 93, Number 541:Narrated Abu Huraira:



First :The vast majority of the Jews maintains that God has no body,possesses no physical form. and any reference to God's body is simply a figure of speech, a means of making God's actions more comprehensible to beings living in a material world.

second:  Even the Quran has attributes of God eg; hand ,eyes ,etc....
so the Hadith wouldn't be problematic with the Quran ,once it attributes legs .....
the Quranic verses that attribute hands,eyes ,etc... to the almighty ,had been understood both literally (Salafi school ,in past and present)and metaphorically (Ashaari school,etc..).....
still all of them agree that "Nothing like God"

Third: Though I agree that the Hadith could be questioned (just like some other hadiths narrated by Abu Hurrairah).... but that doesn't mean we should mistrust Al-Bukhari....


2) A she monkey committed adultery

Is that story narrated by the prophet (peace be upon him) or any of his companions? the answer is NO.

Narrated Jarir bin 'Abdullah:The Prophet said, "You will definitely see your Lord with your own eyes.

Holy Quran 75:23 Some faces will be radiant on that day, Looking towards their Lord.

we can't see God in our wordly life, but will he enable us to see him ,in the hearafter?  the matter was controversal between the literalists and the mutazeli .....and "Allah know best".....

more next post inshallah....





 

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Re: POLL: What is your Religion?
« Reply #18 on: December 24, 2012, 03:55:47 am »
My brother, when Almighty Allah stated in the Glorious Qur'an not to make separation in religion, He meant not to make new sects. Shi`a is a new sect, as it was founded by Abdullah Al-Yahoodi, a Jew, after the death of Prophet Muhammad (may Almighty Allah bless him and his family andngrant them peace).  In addition, Sunni Islam is the original Muslim faith unchanged from the time of Prophet Muhammad (may Almighty Allah bless him and his family and grant him peace). 
Secondly, why do you despise Hadith? Hadith is what gives us an insight of the life of Prophet Muhammad (may Almigthy Allah bless him and his family and grant them peace) in addition to giving us a good explanation to many of the verses of the Glorious Qur'an. In addition, many of the rules and regulations of Islam are explained with detail in Hadith, therefore it is important to follow the Hadith.
 I don't think Bukhari was Jew. Not all Hadiths are 100% authentic, but not all are fabricated either. If you are a Qur'anist and only trust the Glorious Qur'an, you should become a Sunni as Almighty Allah states Himself, "وَأَنَّ هَٰذَا صِرَاطِي مُسْتَقِيمًا فَاتَّبِعُوهُ ۖ وَلَا تَتَّبِعُوا السُّبُلَ فَتَفَرَّقَ بِكُمْ عَن سَبِيلِهِ ۚ ذَٰلِكُمْ وَصَّاكُم بِهِ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَتَّقُونَ
And, [moreover], this is My path, which is straight, so follow it; and do not follow [other] ways, for you will be separated from His way. This has He instructed you that you may become righteous.
There's nothing absurd is seeing your Lord in Paradise. Almighty Allah states, "لَهُم مَّا يَشَاءُونَ فِيهَا وَلَدَيْنَا مَزِيدٌ
There they will have all that they desire, and We have more (for them, i.e. a glance at the All-Mighty, All-Majestic)."

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Re: POLL: What is your Religion?
« Reply #19 on: December 24, 2012, 04:11:59 am »
In addition, the fourth 'Ayah of Suratul-Baqarah states, "وَالَّذِينَ يُؤْمِنُونَ بِمَا أُنزِلَ إِلَيْكَ وَمَا أُنزِلَ مِن قَبْلِكَ وَبِالْآخِرَةِ هُمْ يُوقِنُونَ
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And who believe in (the Quran and the Sunnah) which has been sent down (revealed) to you (Muhammad Peace be upon him ) and in [the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel), etc.] which were sent down before you and they believe with certainty in the Hereafter. (Resurrection, recompense of their good and bad deeds, Paradise and Hell, etc.).". [2:4]

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Re: POLL: What is your Religion?
« Reply #20 on: December 24, 2012, 04:21:06 am »
I don't give a crap about whether Shi'as split or not. We must ban the evil hadith that says Moses slapped the angel of death causing him to say "you sent me to a servant who doesn't wanna die".

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Re: POLL: What is your Religion?
« Reply #21 on: December 24, 2012, 04:25:23 am »
But that doesn't mean we should disregard all Hadith's brother.

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Re: POLL: What is your Religion?
« Reply #22 on: December 24, 2012, 04:55:40 am »
I don't give a crap about whether Shi'as split or not. We must ban the evil hadith that says Moses slapped the angel of death causing him to say "you sent me to a servant who doesn't wanna die".
Where is your proof Bukhari was a jew?


http://www.islamweb.net/emainpage/index.php?page=showfatwa&Option=FatwaId&Id=82871

'As for the story of Prophet Musa with the Angel of death, it is a sound story reported by Al Bukhari, Muslim, Ahmad and Al Nasai: from Abu Huraira that the Prophet said: "The Angel of Death was sent to Moses when he came to Moses. Moses SLAPPED him on the eye. The angel returned to his Lord and said, "You have sent me to a Slave who does not want to die". Allah said, "Return to him and tell him to put his hand on the back of an ox and for every hair that will come under it, he will be granted one year of life". Moses said, "O Lord! What will happen after that?" Allah replied, "Then death". Moses said, "Let it come now". Moses then requested Allah to let him die close to the Sacred Land so much so that he would be at a distance of a stone's throw from it". Abu Huraira added, "Allah's Apostle said, 'If I were there, I would show you his grave below the red sand hill on the side of the road".
Al Nawawi said: "It is also possible that Allah did not send the angel of death when he wanted to terminate his life. It might have been only a test. Prophet Musa might have slapped the man because he was a stranger who got into his house without his consent, ignoring that he was in fact the angel of death. It is lawful in Sharia to take out the eye of the person who looks inside your house without your consent. It is known that the angels came in the form of men to Prophets Ibrahim and Lut (Peace and blessing be upon them) and they did not recognize them. Prophet Ibrahim presented them something to eat before they told him who they were. Prophet Musa also might not have recognized the Angel. But when he come the second time with his eye in its place Prophet Musa recognized him and submitted himself to Allah's Will.
To conclude, we say that the Muslim should believe in these Ahadith and the like, as revelation from Allah The Almighty. If the person's mind and reasoning are short of making him understand the revealed message, he should know that the defect is not in the Sharia it is in his own mind and reasoning as Sharia could include some facts that could not be perceived and fully understood by the human mind.
We ask Allah to guide you to the right path.
Allah knows best.'
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Re: POLL: What is your Religion?
« Reply #23 on: December 24, 2012, 05:20:14 am »
Why change the hadith? Admit it. The exact words were that Moses slapped the angel of death. Don't change it. Justify it for what it is.

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Re: POLL: What is your Religion?
« Reply #24 on: December 24, 2012, 06:09:10 am »
Why change the hadith? Admit it. The exact words were that Moses slapped the angel of death. Don't change it. Justify it for what it is.
No one changed the hadith. Its laughable that you made such a stupid claim. Getting desperate are we?

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Re: POLL: What is your Religion?
« Reply #25 on: December 24, 2012, 07:18:09 am »
I think it depends on which branch of the shia,
I think twelvers and zaydis could be considered muslim
Also some branches of the ismailis could be to
However im not sure Alevis could be considered.
Also Alawis, but i think Alevis are more muslim than Alawis.

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Re: POLL: What is your Religion?
« Reply #26 on: December 24, 2012, 07:37:00 am »
Also,
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I'm pretty sure your a quranists, since you believe in only the quran, The shia have they're own hadith and such, they even follow hadith written by the 12 imams (twelvers), may God be pleased with them.
Also in your previous posts you said, although i cant recall, something about the early sahaba, abu bakr or omar, almost all shias reject their caliphate.

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Re: POLL: What is your Religion?
« Reply #27 on: December 24, 2012, 08:14:10 am »
I think it depends on which branch of the shia,
I think twelvers and zaydis could be considered muslim
Also some branches of the ismailis could be to
However im not sure Alevis could be considered.
Also Alawis, but i think Alevis are more muslim than Alawis.
Zaydis are very very similar to sunnis.

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Re: POLL: What is your Religion?
« Reply #28 on: December 24, 2012, 10:40:49 am »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers and sisters,

Like I said, any Shia who seeks a creation of Allah Almighty for:

1-  Help.
2-  Protection.
3-  Guidance.
4-  Mercy.
5-  Forgiveness.

Is 100% a blasphemer.  And similarily, any Sunni who seeks Prophet Muhammad's grave for any of the mentioned points is also a blasphemer.  I believe Wahabism in Saudi Arabia started primarily because many ignorant people there used to seek the graves for

1-  Help.
2-  Protection.
3-  Guidance.
4-  Mercy.
5-  Forgiveness.

But back to the Shias, any Shia that claims that Ali is Amir Al-Kawn (Ruler of the Universe) is a kafir (infidel).  And quite honestly to my knowledge, just about all of the Shias sects delcare Ali as such.

So, don't be fooled by their sects' titles.  I wouldn't ask a Shia which shia sect he/she belongs to.  I would rather ask them:

1-  Do you call unto the People of the Bayt for:

1-  Help.
2-  Protection.
3-  Guidance.
4-  Mercy.
5-  Forgiveness.

2-  Is Ali Amir Al-Kawn to you?

If they answer yes to any of these, then they are polytheists.  Plain and simple.  The same goes for the Sunnis and graves as well.  This has nothing to do with poltics by the way.  In fact, Iran is helping my people in Gaza more than any Sunni country did and does.  And Iran is Shia, not Sunni.

I hope this helps, insha'Allah.

Take care,
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Re: POLL: What is your Religion?
« Reply #29 on: December 24, 2012, 12:01:49 pm »
But the twelvers and zaydis only believe that Ali should have succeeded the prophet, they recognize him as human and only human, although a human in which God has given divine wisdom and courage. However others, such as the alawis dont treat him as such. I repeat only a minority of the shia treat ali as a divine being, such as the alawis and possibly alevis.