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Re: POLL: What is your Religion?
« Reply #75 on: February 04, 2013, 09:17:54 PM »
you say that to em after you repeatedly posted that video?

Wallahi your points aren't a threat, I have given you hadiths, I answered all your points at the beggining, I will paste my reply, lukcy for me I save my comments on different document just incase! I proved Abu Bakr was kafir and so was Umar, this is for the rest to know. Its funny that you only mentioned the guns sounds, why don't you refer to your top scholars in your Shia kafir video shaming themselves. Here's my replies to your misconceptions:

Sallam Tanveer,

I am not sure what you mean by "leaving behind the ahlul bayt". The hadiths I use are from Sahih Muslim and Bukhari but I complete the image with the rest of their books, however I could prove their sect false even by using Sahih Muslim and Bukhari, I could show them the insults in Sahih Bukhari and Muslim on the prophets (as) and Allah (SWT). The fact that they take Muslim and Bukhari as 'sahih' like the Quran is ridiculous. Bukhari's grandfather was even a zoastrian at the time of the prophet (saww) so you can see where they get their sources from while we get our sources from the pure Ahlul-Bayt (as).



Now my response to brother Osama, first sallam.

1- why don't you watch the video of Muslims getting trampled in hajj? Its a religious act, a very small minority die from this religous just as a very small minority die during umrah.

3- You comment about Christians is in favour of my case, they say we worship Muhammad (saww). "Even after explaining to them 100 times that we do not worship any Prophet, they still don't get it." I can say the same to you, it doesn't matter how many times I prove to you using the Quran and your hadiths, you "still don't get it."

You quote:

"When My servants ask thee concerning Me, I am indeed close (to them): I listen to the prayer of every suppliant when he calleth on Me: Let them also, with a will, Listen to My call, and believe in Me: That they may walk in the right way.   (The Noble Quran, 2:186)"

Did I say Allah (SWT) won't listen to you unless you ask him in the name of Muhammad (saww) and the Ahlul-Bayt (as). Let me re-paste what I said:

They said, "O our father, ask for us forgiveness of our sins; indeed, we have been sinners." He said, "I will ask forgiveness for you from my Lord. Indeed, it is He who is the Forgiving, the Merciful."

Quran 12:97-98



And We did not send any messenger except to be obeyed by permission of Allah. And if, when they wronged themselves, they had come to you, [O Muhammad], and asked forgiveness of Allah and the Messenger had asked forgiveness for them, they would have found Allah Accepting of repentance and Merciful.

Quran 4:64



Duas are more likely to be accepted by Allah (SWT) from prophets (as) and Imams (as). Muslims can ask directly and they can ask through others more pious than them. Don’t Muslims ask pious Muslims to do this? Don’t Muslims ask those who fast to make dua for them? This is the same and the reason why Muslims do this is because they know the dua of those who fast or are more pious are more likely to be accepted. Shias do the same but ask the most pious of Muslims, the prophets (as) and the Imams (as). The misconception is that Shias make dua to the Imams (as) instead of Allah (SWT), Adhubillah, this is not the case but it’s understandable as people often judge by what they see while ignorant. Like seeing Shias praying on clay tablets, seems like they’re praying to it but rather they are praying on it.


4- I repeat again, worship Allah (SWT) with no partners!!! I have our rituals before so I ask you, do you hate the prophet (saww) as he used to do cupping from his head and back. I will just re-paste a hadith from one of my previous comment, I recommend anyone following this thread to refer back to the original comment in page 4, the last comment, as it contains more hadiths about this:

When the news reached Owais al-Qarni (ra) in Yemen that two teeth of the prophet (saww) were broken in the battle of Uhud, he extracted all his teeth. When the prophet (saww) got the news in Medina that Owais had struck down all his teeth, he exclaimed, "Indeed Owais is our devoted friend".

Seerate Halbia, Volume 2, Page 295


Know that you have insulted the prophet (saww) by your words, the prophet (saww) is the best of creation, you are not.

5- Yes I agree with you when you say Christians don't represent Iysa (as), the son of Mariam (as) just as Abu Bakr, Umar and Saddam don't represent Muhammad (saww).

6- Yes I know Hell is too cold a place for me as I am worse than Pharaoh, Umar and Aisha. I am Shia, not Alawi, even Alawis don't worship Ali (as), only some of them do just as some Wahhabis believe Allah (SWT) has a body as proved by Bukhari and Muslim as their books are 'sahih'.

7- If you love the Ahlul-Bayt (as) so much then why do you condemn them for turning on tyrants? I assume you don't believe the wives of the prophet (saww) are part of the Ahlul-Bayt (as), if you do please let me know.

8- "DECLARING THAT PRAYING TO ALLAH ALMIGHTY DIRECTLY IS POINTLESS AND WON'T BE HEARD" You lie about what I say and Allah (SWT) is witness, I said "Duas are more likely to be accepted by Allah (SWT) from prophets (as) and Imams (as). Muslims can ask directly and they can ask through others more pious than them." Fear Allah (SWT) and repent, I already forgive you.

9- We will "Keep cutting yourself with knives" as the prophet (saww) did.

10- If I was worshipping the Ahlul-bayt (as), then yes Hell will be my abode but alhamdulillah I pray 5 times a day to Allah (SWT) and sebeh glorlyfying Him.

11- "Imam Hussein, peace be upon him, did not sacrifice himself to restore the original Islam." By Allah (SWT) he did. Allah (SWT) did perfect our religion but then Umar change it, I will provide a snippit of Umar's innovation as first I wan't to get Abu Bakr out the way.

12- "And no one from his supposed army lifted a finger to even care." Have you not heard about his 72 companions?

13- "What Imam Hussein went out to fight was the corruption that was caused by Muawiyah and his and his son, Yazid.  I don't dispute that, and I said countless times before that I am with Ali and Hussein against Muawiyah and Yazid anyday any time."

"Ali, as a ruler, failed dismally in his rule and turned the Muslims on each others in one civil war after another during his rule.  Ali wasn't fit to be a ruler in my oppinion, and till this day we suffer because of his politcal rule."

"Muawiyah is still a Muslim.  No one can call him a kaafir."

"I just want you to see these indisputable facts.  While I am with Ali with all my heart, but quite honestly, I JUST WISH HE NEVER RULED!"

14- Again I will say, Shias don't worship Ali (as) or the rest of the Ahlul-Bayt (as). Go on wiki and search twelvers.

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« Reply #76 on: February 05, 2013, 01:04:12 AM »
I am a sunni that doesnt agree with shias that abu bakr, umar, uthman, and aisha, etc. were non muslims, although they did make mistakes. But I agree that (at least) some shia who dont worship the "family of the house" are muslim. yet i agree that Abu Bakr, umar, Utham, Ali are all caliphs who ruled they best they can, they wre great men and, dispite their faults, great rulers,, so i disagree with some sunnis who say "he shouldn't have ruled", like mr. Abdullah.
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« Reply #77 on: February 05, 2013, 05:34:20 AM »
Hello amar
Firstly, no they are not from bukhari and muslim. Secondly, please write down Sahih Bukhari and muslim then. I didnt see the words anywhere in your last post (i was skimming maybe i missed them) and please dont put words in our mouths. NONE of us consider the hadith books as authentic as the Quran. Neither do we consider it divine either. Saheeh simply means most authentic. And seeing as we're talking about hadith collections whats the problem? Please give us an example of a muslim saying hadiths are the book of god or reciting hadith in prayer? And so what is Bukhari's grandfather was a zoroastrian? He became a muslim. End of. Using your outrageous reasoning we could say ALL the early muslims got their stuff, including the ahlul bayt, from pagans. See how outlandish that is? TIOOG's parents and grandparents were probabaly deists like him. Im a bengali. My ancestors were once hindus. Does that mean you're gonna throw away everything i say because of that? Does that mean we toss away everything TIOOG says as deist rubbish? As for the hadith on Owais Qarni PBUH. Its weak...again. Its not in Bukhari or muslim.  This is what it says in Seerat Halbia about it.


“And it has been narrated… that [Uwais al-Qarni] said, ‘By Allah, the Prophet’s molar tooth (peace and blessings be upon him) was not broken except that I broke my own molar tooth,’… this is how I have seen this quote written in some books, and Allah knows best as to its condition [whether it is authentic or not].” [al-Halabi, Insan al-‘Uyoon aka. Al-Seerah al-Halabiyya]


Even the person you have cited doesnt know its authenticity and seeing as other scholars have said its weak then i am inclined to believe them. Why didnt Ali PBUH cause himself self harm? Why didnt any of the Sahabah cause themselves any self harm? Did you know Owais PBUH even ridiculed Ali PBUH and Umar PBUH for not hurting themselves? How on earth can you use a person who insults Ali PBUH as justification for what you do?

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« Reply #78 on: February 05, 2013, 05:44:49 AM »
OK OK I GET IT!
Islam is the religion of peace. I accept! Now please stop BULLYING people (like Amar) about who is stronger by slashing your backs with swords!!!

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« Reply #79 on: February 05, 2013, 05:47:52 AM »
OK OK I GET IT!
Islam is the religion of peace. I accept! Now please stop BULLYING people (like Amar) about who is stronger by slashing your backs with swords!!!
Shut. The. [censored]. Up. No one bullying one another for your entertainment. Go troll somewhere else.

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« Reply #80 on: February 05, 2013, 06:49:09 AM »
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Shut. The. bad. Up.

Hahahaha!  Thank GOD my filter worked :).  Bad bad bad Tanveer! :). hehehehhehe

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« Reply #81 on: February 05, 2013, 07:16:19 AM »
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Shut. The. bad. Up.

Hahahaha!  Thank GOD my filter worked :).  Bad bad bad Tanveer! :). hehehehhehe
LOL! Never realised that :D You got me. *Slaps hand*

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« Reply #82 on: February 05, 2013, 08:14:02 AM »
Sallam to all,

@osama

Can you reply to my comments, I do ask you again to wiki and find out about twelver Shia, the main Shia sect, you will see the difference between us and you is the view of companionship, wives of the prophet (saww) and the religious practices, NOT tawheed, many of your scholars say that too, that's why they only debate on the issue of companions. I advise you to see a Shia prayer on youtube.



@zulfiqarchucknorris,

I put in my post a section that exposes Abu Bakr from your hadiths and Quran as kafir, yes kafir, but brother osama removed it as he waned to get to the point of tawheed first. I also put a snippit about Umar where I proved from Sahih Bukhari only that Umar was kafir, that's for Tanveer. As for your madhabs, all are derived from Imam Jafar al-sadiq (as). Maliki was a musician, read your books and Abu Hanifa had a love for Zina, this video exposes him from your books:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4_bkyEz1rE



@Tanveer

hello

Most of the Hadiths I put are marked Sahih by your Imams! Don't think you know better than your Imams. I'm afraid to say but you do, that's what Sahih means, read its introduction, Bukhari and Muslim collected hadiths that were 'Sahih' in their books therefore those books are considered infallible like the Quran. That's why the pressure is on you as Shias don't name their books Sahih as they know only the Quran is Sahih. By the way, I didn't compare the words of Allah (SWT) with the words of 'Sahih' Bukhari and Muslim, Adhubillah. I said Allah (SWT) said the Quran is infallible, cannot be altered as its protected by the Almighty. You also have a book called 'Sahih' meaning every narration inside is true therefore you must accept them as true or you ain't Sunni! This is one of many problems with your sect including thinking that Allah (SWT) permitted insest until the time of Musa (as), astafurlillah.

My point is if the grandfather of Bukhari was a Zoastrian at the time of the prophet (saww) don't you think there were better people to narrate hadiths like I don't know the Ahlul-Bayt (as) maybe? There grandfather was the prophet (saww) himself! Watch this video, it shows how Bukhari was influenced:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gT415SOh3cI&hl=en-GB&gl=GB


Also as a Sunni, your not allowed to say PBUH except for prophets (as), its a silly rule but you have to follow it as if you don't, you ain't Sunni, I know it illogical but that's your sect. You take 'as' and 'ra' as stamps:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nL9KlyNV4YU&feature=plcp


Owais Qarni (ra) was not an enemy of Ali (as), he's respected by both Shias and Sunnis and afterall he lived in Yemen, so how could he be an enemy to Ali (as). Also please read my entire comment previously, at the end of page four it uses more example including the prophet (saww) himself.


Sallam

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« Reply #83 on: February 05, 2013, 08:25:42 AM »
Its starting to get really confusing , i'm following this topic and have read all post i think(ok maybe a few long ones) , i'm a Sunni and i was curious as to why Shia's called kafirs , i asked my mother about it and she said they were not kafirs and its very dangerous to call them kafirs because Allah knows best , if they are telling that they are Muslims , than the rest is between them and Allah , we must respect them because they are our brothers in Islam.


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« Reply #84 on: February 05, 2013, 08:58:11 AM »
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3- You comment about Christians is in favour of my case, they say we worship Muhammad (saww). "Even after explaining to them 100 times that we do not worship any Prophet, they still don't get it." I can say the same to you, it doesn't matter how many times I prove to you using the Quran and your hadiths, you "still don't get it."

You quote:

"When My servants ask thee concerning Me, I am indeed close (to them): I listen to the prayer of every suppliant when he calleth on Me: Let them also, with a will, Listen to My call, and believe in Me: That they may walk in the right way.   (The Noble Quran, 2:186)"

Did I say Allah (SWT) won't listen to you unless you ask him in the name of Muhammad (saww) and the Ahlul-Bayt (as). Let me re-paste what I said:

They said, "O our father, ask for us forgiveness of our sins; indeed, we have been sinners." He said, "I will ask forgiveness for you from my Lord. Indeed, it is He who is the Forgiving, the Merciful."

Quran 12:97-98

And We did not send any messenger except to be obeyed by permission of Allah. And if, when they wronged themselves, they had come to you, [O Muhammad], and asked forgiveness of Allah and the Messenger had asked forgiveness for them, they would have found Allah Accepting of repentance and Merciful.

Quran 4:64

Duas are more likely to be accepted by Allah (SWT) from prophets (as) and Imams (as). Muslims can ask directly and they can ask through others more pious than them. Don’t Muslims ask pious Muslims to do this? Don’t Muslims ask those who fast to make dua for them? This is the same and the reason why Muslims do this is because they know the dua of those who fast or are more pious are more likely to be accepted. Shias do the same but ask the most pious of Muslims, the prophets (as) and the Imams (as). The misconception is that Shias make dua to the Imams (as) instead of Allah (SWT), Adhubillah, this is not the case but it’s understandable as people often judge by what they see while ignorant. Like seeing Shias praying on clay tablets, seems like they’re praying to it but rather they are praying on it.

Islam is 100% innocent from your polytheistic and idol-worshiping cult.  You turned mere creations of GOD Almighty into objects of worship.  I have thoroughly demonstrated this from the Glorious Quran in great details at these links:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,561.msg2867.html#msg2867

http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac11.htm#links


One point I'd like to add regarding your cult is that the dead people do not hear us, nor can they help us.  The Believers are alive with Allah Almighty in Heaven.  But they don't hear us, nor do they have anything do with us here on earth after they die:

[007:029] Say: "My Lord hath commanded justice; and that ye set your whole selves (to Him) at every time and place of prayer, and call upon Him, making your devotion sincere as in His sight: such as He created you in the beginning, so shall ye return."

[007:194]  Verily those whom ye call upon besides God are servants like unto you: Call upon them, and let them listen to your prayer, if ye are (indeed) truthful!
[007:195]  Have they feet to walk with? Or hands to lay hold with? Or eyes to see with? Or ears to hear with? Say: "Call your 'god-partners', scheme (your worst) against me, and give me no respite!
[007:196]  "For my Protector is God, Who revealed the Book (from time to time), and He will choose and befriend the righteous.
[007:197]  "But those ye call upon besides Him, are unable to help you, and indeed to help themselves."
[007:198]  If thou callest them to guidance, they hear not. Thou wilt see them looking at thee, but they see not.


[030:052] Of course, you cannot make the dead hear you. Nor can you make the deaf hear your call, (particularly) when they turn their backs to avoid you.

[036:012] Of course, it is We Who grants life back to the dead. We are recording all the deeds they send ahead, as well as all the traces they leave behind! We have preserved an account of all things in a clear and well-protected register!

[006:036]  Those who listen (in truth), be sure, will accept: as to the dead, God will raise them up; then will they be turned unto Him.

[003:169] Do not ever think that, those slain in the path of Allah are dead. In fact, they are living! (Ranked high) with their Lord, they receive their sustenance.

[006:036] In fact, only those who care to listen attentively can respond (to the call). As for the dead, Allah will bring them to life, and then they would be presented before Him (for reckoning).


There is a difference between you asking a pious person here on earth to make Dua (Supplication) to GOD Almighty to help you, and you praying to the dead (Ahlul Bayt and Prophets) for:

1-  Protection.
2-  Aid.
3-  Mercy.
4-  Forgiveness.


They are dead here on earth, and they are alive with GOD Almighty in Heaven.  So praying to Allah Almighty through any creation is completely wrong, and is outside Islam.  And worse, your cult GLORIFIES the certain creations.  I don't want to talk too much about it here, because we have thoroughly demonstrated it from the Glorious Quran at the links that I gave above.



Its starting to get really confusing , i'm following this topic and have read all post i think(ok maybe a few long ones) , i'm a Sunni and i was curious as to why Shia's called kafirs , i asked my mother about it and she said they were not kafirs and its very dangerous to call them kafirs because Allah knows best , if they are telling that they are Muslims , than the rest is between them and Allah , we must respect them because they are our brothers in Islam.

As'salamu Alaikum dear brother,

It's not confusing if you isolate their idol worshing cult practices from everything else.  What this shia was doing here is drown the text and mix everything together.  Hence, creating the impression that calling him and his cult polytheists is against Islam.  This is why I am forcing this topic to be only limited to Tawheed (Oneness of Allah Almighty), and their cult's pagan and idol worshing practices.  The conflicts that happened between some of the Companions is irrelevant to all of this.

To help you understand this much better, visit the following three videos, and insha'Allah, the picture will become clear to you:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/shias_kufr_exposed.wmv (Arabic)
http://www.answering-christianity.com/shia_kufur_in_english_part_1.wmv (English)

Watch what their top scholars say (from Qum and Najaf) about how to make supplication and prayers to Allah Almighty.  It's invalid if Ali or any member from the people of the Bayt is not in it.  In other words, you're not allowed to pray to Allah Almighty directly and to Him Alone.  Imagine!  Also, when you teach your baby child how to summon his/her strength and walk, you must teach them to call upon Ali for help and stregth.  Also, pay attention to the little girl who doesn't even know how to thank Allah Almighty!

Furthermore, watch this video to see how they cut themselves and their children for also mere creations as well:


Warning!!  Extremely Graphic!
He almost cut his entire back deeply open.  See how these
polytheists are a cult of infidels who are not Muslims.


I ask you and ask everyone here by the Holy Name of Allah Almighty, if this is not idol worship, then what is it??

In the Name of Allah, what is it??

I demand an answer from every single one of you here, because this is THE bottom line to all of this discussion.

Amar, I will refute, again, your nonsense in details later on.  Any post you make on any creation of Allah Almighty will be deleted.  I want you to be locked in this topic and this topic only to show everyone how ridiculous and polytheistic your cult is.

Furthermore, even if everything you say about the creations is true, then this doesn't have any theological implications today.  The Holy Quran is still the Holy Quran, and the Sunna still remains the Sunna.

Osama Abdallah

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« Reply #85 on: February 05, 2013, 09:04:05 AM »
Amar
You are starting to annoy me now. I am a sunni. Dont think you know better than someone who is an actual sunni. My imams say the hadiths are weak so they are weak. You also said you will use sunni sources. Why do you keep citing shia videos? No Sunni muslim considers the hadith books infallible. I dont give a crap how many youtube videos you give(you honestly think i care what shia videos say about sunnis?). A person who says the hadith are infallible are always condemned by us. No sunni ever says you must accept all the narrations in Bukhari or muslim are correct. We dont think theyre infallible. AS and RA mean may god be pleased with him. No scholar i have ever encountered says if i say PBUH to someone other than a Prophet im not a muslim anymore. I have a book called Sahih. Meaning most authentic. Dont think you know about my books better than me.
 'Sunni Muslims view this as one of the three most trusted collections of hadith along with Sahih Muslim and Muwatta Imam Malik.'  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sahih_al-Bukhari#Distinctive_Features
Drill this into your stupid brain. I began in a courteous manner with you but you are simply taking it as an advantage to sprout yout crap.

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« Reply #86 on: February 05, 2013, 10:10:39 AM »
whoawhoawhoa!!!
NO! JUST NO!

I'm starting to see some really jacked up crap here..
I guess I am to blame for this war that fueled 1,000 views.
"You have separated Islam with Shi'ism. I find that highly offensive."
I guess that one comment which referred to the offense in dividing the Muslims really screwed everything neutral about this forum.

" I am a sunni. Dont think you know better than someone who is an actual sunni. My imams say the hadiths are weak so they are weak. You also said you will use sunni sources."
Qur'an 2:206 precisely says arrogance is a sin. Don't think you know more than someone else just because you are Sunni. I remember adnaanshaikh saying something similar, that "converts don't know much about Islam as I do". If your imams say the hadith are weak doesn't always mean it is weak. Imams aren't infallible
"Drill this into your stupid brain. I began in a courteous manner with you but you are simply taking it as an advantage to sprout yout crap."
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@Koray: Your mom was right, don't let these people tell you that it is OK to call another professed Muslim a kaafir or tell him "The doom of Hell is your final abode". After all, the Qur'an Does say wisdom and beautiful preaching (16:125).

"No sunni ever says you must accept all the narrations in Bukhari or muslim are correct. "
Not true. I've heard several sunnis who accept these books as 100% truth. They call it Authentic hadith. The dictionary definition of authentic is "Of undisputed origin".

And QuranSearchCom, you're just doing the same thing over and over posting that pic of that guy who cut his back and basing views of ALL Shi'as off one person.

"I ask you and ask everyone here by the Holy Name of Allah Almighty, if this is not idol worship, then what is it??"
I think you were referring to calling others besides Allah. It's polytheism or shirk, NOT idol worship. But that's not what Shiism is. Shiism is accepting Ali (RA) as a successor, not worshiping him.

The politics in Arabian Islam is astounding.
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« Reply #87 on: February 05, 2013, 10:23:48 AM »
You will notice TIOOG that I kept repeating that arrogant sentence after he began telling me what I should and shouldn't believe but I agree arrogance is a sin. And I modified my post to add should after Sunni. I guess it didn't work/register. I never claimed imams were infallible either TIOOG. But many imams/scholars consider them weak so I do too. If iit was only one or two people I would've been suspicious of them but it's quite a few.
And also TIOOG I want to hold you accountable for bringing Edwin Star's War into my head. Now it's gonna stay there for probably the whole day...

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« Reply #88 on: February 05, 2013, 10:29:29 AM »
Sallam to all,

@Koray

The problem is brother osama refuses to give up the idea Shias worship Allah (SWT) alone and likes to instead associate other sects with twelver Shias, twelver Shias ridicule other sects that worship the Imams (as), they have the same view brother Osama has on them about tawheed. twelver Shias which makes up the majority of Shias worship Allah (SWT) alone with no partners. I have pasted part of my document in the forum that shows from Quran and Muhammad (saww) intercession is allowed, asking in the name of Imams (as) and the prophet (saww).

After the issue of tawheed is confirmed, I will repaste the Quran and hadith quotes from sunni books that exposes Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman and Aisha. The belief and there innovations, Quran 5:6 as an example concerning wudu, an innovation by Uthman.




@Osama

My comment proves your lies about Shia, you just want to mix other sects beliefs with Shia beliefs. Shias say ya Ali (as) as the prophet (saww) said ya Ali (as) whenever he wanted something done, its sunna. We don't say ya Ali (as) when we make duas, we ask Allah (SWT) alone. If Shias were idol worshippers all Sunni shiekhs would focus on that issue as then Shias can't say nothing as they go directly against the Quran like sunnis (5:6 is an example).

"Furthermore, even if everything you say about the creations is true, then this doesn't have any theological implications today.  The Holy Quran is still the Holy Quran, and the Sunna still remains the Sunna."

You don't follow the sunna of the prophet (saww), you follow Umar's innovations, you follow the sunna of Umar.





@Tanveer

1- Didn't you say use Sahih Muslim and Sahih Bukhari, well I proved Umar was kafir by using Sahih Bukhari. If you don't accept its Sahih then call it Bukhari and Muslim, again the pressure is on your sect, if you wan't to call them Sahih you have to accept whats inside.

2- The Shia videos are a shia talking about Bukhari and Muslim, giving facts about them, and the other video is a shia commentating while one of your Sunni scholars speaks, the one in brother Osama's video.

3- 'as' mean aley sallam, PBUH. You're not allowed to say that except for prophets (as), Adnan Aroor said this, he's one of your scholars and generally ask any other scholar they will say the same, simple internet check will do! I said not a Sunni, if you ain't Muslim you are kafir, I didn't say you will be kafir, I said you won't be following your school of thought.

4- you do know what 'Sahih' means yes? As long as its called Sahih Bukhari instead of Bukhari, you have to accept Umar is kafir. As Bukhari collected hadiths and called them all authentic and then put it in Sahih Bukhari, same with Muslim, aslong as you agree with them then you have to accept them, a simple thing to say is, Bukhari was wrong and hence be hated by Sunni scholars.

5- I give hadiths, most of what I put is your hadiths, don't call your own hadiths crap.



@laillahilAllah

Ali (as) does not need a dua saying may Allah be pleased with him, he is free from sins as Quran says in 33:33 for the Ahlul-Bayt (as)

Sallam


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Re: POLL: What is your Religion?
« Reply #89 on: February 05, 2013, 10:40:05 AM »
@Amar: Quran 33:33 is just a ref. to the "people of the house", doesn't say whose house. Meaning it could be my house too.