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« Reply #45 on: February 02, 2013, 05:39:59 am »
To brother Osama,

In the defence of Ali (as), waliyillah

Al-Majlisi narrated from Al-Sadooq that Ali bin Hathram said: “I attended a council with Ahmed bin Hanbal. Ali bin Abi Talib was mentioned. He said: A Sunni could not be a true Sunni unless he held something negative regarding Ali in his heart.”

Bihar Al-Anwar, Volume 49, Page 261



Narrated By Abu Mijlaz: From Qais bin Ubad: 'Ali bin Abi Talib said, "I shall be the first man to kneel down before (Allah), the Beneficent to receive His judgment on the day of Resurrection (in my favor)." Qais bin Ubad also said, "The following Verse was revealed in their connection: "These two opponents believers and disbelievers) Dispute with each other About their Lord." (22.19) Qais said that they were those who fought on the day of Badr, namely, Hamza, 'Ali, 'Ubaida or Abu 'Ubaida bin Al-Harith, Shaiba bin Rabi'a, 'Utba and Al-Wahd bin Utba.

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59, Number 304



Narrated By Salama: Ali happened to stay behind the Prophet and (did not join him) during the battle of Khaibar for he was having eye trouble. Then he said, "How could I remain behind Allah's Apostle?" So 'Ali set out following the Prophet, When it was the eve of the day in the morning of which Allah helped (the Muslims) to conquer it, Allah's Apostle said, "I will give the flag (to a man), or tomorrow a man whom Allah and His Apostle love will take the flag," or said, "A man who loves Allah and His Apostle; and Allah will grant victory under his leadership." Suddenly came 'Ali whom we did not expect. The people said, "This is 'Ali." Allah's Apostle gave him the flag and Allah granted victory under his leadership.

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 57, Number 52
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59, Number 520


*Note the stature of Ali (as), he will be the first to be judged by Allah (SWT), before all other caliphs, he was also given the flag of leadership rather than Abu Bakr and Umar and was given victory by Allah (SWT), it was he who washed and shrouded the holy body of the prophet (saww) and then buried him while the other caliphs left before the burial and washing. After the burial Ali (as) collected the Quran, not Abu Bakr, Abu Bakr and Umar were getting people to pledge allegiance to Abu Bakr:

After the death of the Holy Prophet (saww), Ali sat down in his house and said that he had sworn an oath that he would not put on his outdoor clothes or leave his house until he collects together the Quran.

Fat'hul Bari in Sharh Sahih al-Bukhari, by Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani, Volume 10, Page 386
Al-Fihrist, by (Ibn) an-Nadim, Page 30
Al-Itqan, by al-Suyuti, Volume 1, Page 165
Al-Masahif, by Ibn Abi Dawood, Page 10
Hilyatul Awliya', by Abu Nu'aym, Volume 1, Page 67
Al-Sahibi, by Ibn Faris, Page 79
'Umdatul Qari, by al-Ayni, Volume 20, Page 16
Kanzul Ummal, by al-Muttaqi al-Hindi, Volume 15, Page 112-113
Al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar al-Haythami, Chapter 9, Section 4, Page 197
Ma'rifat al-Qurra' al-kibar, by al-Dhahabi, Volume 1, Page 31



Allah's Apostle (saww) said: "There will be affliction after me, therefore whenever it happens follow Ali bin Abi Talib because he separates between the truth and falsehood"

Kanz ul Ummal, Volume 11, Page 914 Number 32964
Kanz ul Ummal, Volume 11, Page 621 Number 33016



"Whoever obeys 'Ali, obeys me, whoever obeys me, obeys Allah, whoever disobeys 'Ali, disobeys me, whoever disobeys me, disobeys Allah"

Kanz al-Ummal, Number 32973



The Messenger of Allah said to Ali: "Glad tiding O Ali! Verily you and your companions and your Shia (followers) will be in Paradise."

Fadha'il al-Sahaba, by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, Volume 2, Page 655
Hilyatul Awliyaa, by Abu Nu'aym, Volume 4, Page 329
Tarikh, by al-Khateeb al-Baghdadi, Volume 12, Page289
Majma' al-Zawa'id, by al-Haythami, Volume 10, Page 21-22
Al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar Haythami, Chapter 11, Section 1, Page 247



The Messenger of Allah (saww) said: "The Shia of Ali are the real victorious in the day of resurrection/rising"

Yanabi al-Mawaddah, by al-Qundoozi al-Hanafi, Page 62



It has been narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira that the Holy prophet (may peace be upon him) said: Whoso obeys me obeys God, and whoso disobeys me disobeys God. Whoso obeys the commander (appointed by me) obeys me, and whoso disobeys the commander disobeys me.

Sahih Muslim, Book 20, Number 4518



Zirr reported: 'Ali observed: By Him Who split up the seed and created something living, the Apostle(may peace and blessings be upon him) gave me a promise that no one but a believer would love me, and none but a hypocrite would nurse grudge against me.

Sahih Muslim, Book 1, Number 141



"We recognised the hypocrites by their hatred of Ali."

Fada'il al-Sahaba, by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, Volume 2, Page 639, Number 1086
Al-Istiab, by Ibn Abd al-Barr, Volume 3, Page 47
Al-Riyad al-Nadirah, by al-Muhib al-Tabari, Volume 3, Page 242
Dhakha'ir al-Uqba, by al-Muhib al-Tabari, Page 91



The Messenger of Allah said: "Loving Ali is the sign of belief, and hating Ali is the sign of
hypocrisy."


Sahih Muslim, Volume 1, Page 48
Sahih Tirmidhi, Volume 5, Page 643
Sunan Ibn Majah, Volume 1, Page 142
Musnad, by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, Volume 1, Page 84
Musnad, by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, Volume 1, Page 95
Musnad, by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, Volume 1, Page 128
Tarikh al-Kabir, by al-Bukhari, Volume 1, Part 1, Page 202
Hilyatul Awliya', by Abu Nu'aym, Volume 4, Page 185
Tarikh, by al-Khateeb al-Baghdadi, Volume 14, Page 462



The prophet said: "Whoever I am his master, Ali is his master. O God! Love those who love him and be hostile to those who are hostile to him?"

Sahih al-Tirmidhi, Volume 2, Page 298
Sahih al-Tirmidhi, Volume 5, Page 63
Sunan Ibn Majah, Volume 1, Page 12
Sunan Ibn Majah, Volume 1, Page 43



Abu Huraira narrated: The Prophet (pbuh) looked towards Ali, al-Hassan, al-Hussein, and Fatimah (pbut), and said: "I am in the state of war with those who will fight you, and in the state of peace with those who are peaceful to you."

Sahih al-Tirmidhi, Volume 5, Page 699
Sunan Ibn Majah, Volume 1, Page 52
Fada'il al-Sahaba, by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, Volume 2, Page 767, Number 1350
Al-Mustadrak, by al-Hakim, Volume 3, Page 149
Majma' al-Zawa'id, by al-Haythami, Volume 9, Page 169
Al-Kabir, by Tabarani, Volume 3, Page 30
Al-Awsat Jamius Saghir, by al-Ibani, Volume 2, Page 17
Tarikh, by al-Khateeb al-Baghdadi, Volume 7, Page 137
Sawai'q al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar al-Haythami, Chapter 11, Section 1, Page 221
Talkhis, by al-Dhahabi, Volume 3, Page 149
Dhakha'ir al-Uqba, by al-Muhib al-Tabari, Page 25
Riyadh al Nadhira Volume 2, Page 199, Chapter "Manaqib 'Ali"
Mishkat al-Masabih, by Khatib al-Tabrizi, English Version, Number 6145


*First note that “(pbut)” is mentioned in the hadith when referring to “Ali, al-Hassan, al-Hussein, and Fatimah (pbut)” so saying ‘pbuh’ to the members of the Ahlul-Bayt (as) is said even in Sunni sources. Note the prophet (saww) said "I am in the state of war with those who will fight you”, whoever is at war with the prophet (saww) is at war with Allah (SWT), this includes Yazid (la) and his father Muawiya (la). Aisha had a massive grudge against Ali (as) that she even went to “war” against him in the battle of the camel which claimed the lives of up to thirty thousand believers, she continued to hate him till she died and even hated his sons, she had shot an arrow on the tomb of Hassan Ibn Ali (as) from close range. Even during the life of the prophet she hated Ali (as) that she would not mention his name:

Narrated Az-Zuhari: Ubaidullah bin 'Abdullah told me that 'Aisha had said, "When the Prophet became sick and his condition became serious, he requested his wives to allow him to be treated in my house, and they allowed him. He came out leaning on two men while his feet were dragging on the ground. He was walking between Al-'Abbas and another man." 'Ubaidullah said, "When I informed Ibn 'Abbas of what 'Aisha had said, he asked me whether I knew who was the second man whom 'Aisha had not named. I replied in the negative. He said, 'He was 'Ali bin Abi Talib."

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 47, Number 761
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59, Number 745
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59, Number 727


*She even denied Ali (as) was the successor of the prophet as she wanted her father to be his successor:

Narrated Al-Aswad: It was mentioned in the presence of 'Aisha that the Prophet had appointed 'Ali as successor by will. Thereupon she said, "Who said so? I saw the Prophet, while I was supporting him against my chest. He asked for a tray, and then fell on one side and expired, and I did not feel it. So how (do the people say) he appointed 'Ali as his successor?"

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59, Number 736



The prophet (saww) had appointed his cousin, Ali, as the caliph over the Muslims after him and had ordered his companions and his wives to congratulate him for this leadership over the believers in Ghadir Khum. Abu Bakr was among the first people to say: "Congratulations, Congratulations to you, O son of Abu Talib. Today you became the master of every believing man and woman".

Musnad, by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, Volume 4, Page 281
Tafsir al-Kabir, by Fakhr al-Razi, Volume 12, Page 49-50
Mishkat al-Masabih, by al-Khateeb al-Tabrizi, Page 557
Habib al-Siyar, by Mir Khand, Volume 1, Part 3, Page 144
Kitabul Wilayah, by Ibn Jarir al-Tabari
Al-Musannaf, by Ibn Abi Shaybah
Al-Musnad, by Abu Ya'ala
Hadith al-Wilayah, by Ahmad Ibn 'Uqdah
Tarikh, by Khateeb al-Baghdadi, Volume 8, Page 29 from Abu Huraira
Tarikh, by Khateeb al-Baghdadi, Volume 8, Page 596 from Abu Huraira



"Ata Ibn Yasar, who says that a certain person came to Aisha and began to use impudent and abusive words for Ali while Ammar, was in her presence. She said to him: "As regards Ali, I have nothing to tell you, but as regards Ammar, I have heard the Messenger of Allah saying about him that if he has to make a choice between two things he will always choose that which is better from the point of view of good guidance and salvation."

Musnad, by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, Volume 6, Page 113



The Prophet of Allah (saww) beckoned to Ali to come close. He came close until he sat between him and Aisha, and he and the Prophet (saww) were clung together. She said to him "Can you not find a seat for this one except on my thigh?" Ibn Abil Hadid also reported that one day the Prophet of Allah (saww) was walking with Imam Ali and the conversation became prolonged. Aisha approached as she was walking from behind until she came between them saying: "What is it between you two that you are taking so long?" Upon this the Prophet of Allah (saww) became angry.

Sharh Ibn Abil Hadid, Volume 9, Page 195



Abu Bakr once came to the Prophet of Allah (saww), and sought permission to enter. Before he went in, he heard Aisha's voice raised, saying to the Prophet (saww): "By Allah! I surely know that Ali is dearer to you than me and my father", she repeated this twice or three times".

Musnad Ahmad Hanbal, Volume 4, Page 275


*When Aisha heard of the assassination of Imam Ali (as), she knelt and thanked Allah!!! See History of al-Tabari and the History of Ibn al-Athir on the events of the year 40 AH. She did the same when she heard his wife Fatima Al-Zahra (as) had died from the attack of Umar. She was also involved in intercepting the funeral procession of al-Hassan, the leader of the Heaven's youth, by ordering her followers to shoot arrows on his coffin and she had shot an arrow herself from close range and she also prevented his burial beside his grandfather (the Prophet (saww)), and she said: "Do not let anybody that I don't like enter my house."



Narrated Abu Huraira Ad-Dausi: Once the Prophet went out during the day. Neither did he talk to me nor I to him till he reached the market of Bani Qainuqa and then he sat in the compound of Fatima's house and asked about the small boy (his grandson Al-Hassan) but Fatima kept the boy in for a while. I thought she was either changing his clothes or giving the boy a bath. After a while the boy came out running and the Prophet embraced and kissed him and then said, 'O Allah! Love him, and love whoever loves him.'

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 34, Number 333
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 57, Number 90-92
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 72, Number 772


*Ali (as) also thought bad of Abu Bakr and Umar:

...They said: Yes. Then he adjured Abbas and 'All as he had adjured the other persons and asked: Do you both know this? They said: Yes. He said: When the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) passed away, Abu Bakr said: "I am the successor of the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him)." Both of you came to demand your shares from the property (left behind by the Messenger of Allah). (Referring to Hadrat 'Abbas), he said: You demanded your share from the property of your nephew, and he (referring to 'Ali) demanded a share on behalf of his wife from the property of her father. Abu Bakr (Allah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) had said: "We do not have any heirs; what we leave behind is (to be given in) charity." So both of you thought him to be a liar, sinful, treacherous and dishonest. And Allah knows that he was true, virtuous, well-guided and a follower of truth. When Abu Bakr passed away and (I have become) the successor of the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) and Abu Bakr (Allah be pleased with him), you thought me to be a liar, sinful, treacherous and dishonest....

Sahih Muslim, Book 19, Number 4349-4350


*Sunni scholars will reply to their own hadith by saying Ali (as) named three of his sons, Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman. This is true but we will ridicule this logic. First Abu Bakr is a kunya, a kind of nickname meaning the father of Bakr so this just shows the scholars who don’t speak Arabic don’t speak Arabic. For the case of Umar and Uthman, was there only one Umar and one Uthman? Their names were widely used, their names weren’t like Hussein which was given by Gabriel (as) to Muhammad (saww) to name the son of Ali (as) after Ali (as) wanted the prophet (saww) to name Hussein (as), a name never used before. One of the governors put in position by Ali (as) had the name Uthman so Ali (as) had loyal companions called Umar and Uthman. Furthermore, Ali (as) said he did not call one of his sons Uthman after the tyrant Uthman, however this is from a Shia hadith so you can choose to ignore it even though we have proved Uthman was a tyrant. Many Sunni hadiths are found in Shia books by the way, only the lies and fabrications are not included. In final, Ali (as) did not name his sons after the three tyrants, nor did the three tyrants name their sons Ali.

Ali (as) is not childish like Muawiya (la) who would curse Ali (as) and encourage people to ridicule anyone with the name Ali so much so people would name their sons Ali just to curse them. One should hate one’s deeds and not his appearance or name. For example, I hate Muhammad Ibn AbdulWahhab (la), the founder of the terrorist sect Wahhabism named after the founder. However that does not mean I will never name my son Muhammad, the name of the last prophet (saww), or AbdulWahhab, Al-Wahhab being one of the names of Allah (SWT). So if someone is your enemy, it doesn’t mean you hold a grudge against their name and curse anyone with that name like Muawiya (la). It can still be said; why did the prophet (saww) marry two of his daughter to Uthman, why did Lut (as) offer his daughter to the unbelievers?




The prophet (saww) said: "Allah have mercy on Ali. Allah make the right and truth with Ali in all situations".

Sunan al Tirmidhi, Volume 5, Page 297



The Prophet told Ali : "You shall inform my nation about the truth and what they dispute after me."

Kanzul Ummal, by Ali Muttaqi al Hind, Volume 2, Page 612 (Korab Dhieri, Multan)
Al Mustadrak al Hakim, Volume 3, Page 122





This was to prove the greatness of Ali (as), please reply to this and the intercessing Shias do, then I will move on to another topic being misconceptions of Shia and then after that I will move on to Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman and Aisha. I don't curse them in my work as I know you love them too much.

Great I don't see a problem with it then. Glad it's solved but: I'll still stay a Muslim. The various sects (Sunni, Shi'a Sufi, etc.) are all non Muslims based on a politico-religious ideology

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Re: POLL: What is your Religion?
« Reply #46 on: February 02, 2013, 06:06:24 am »
They said, "O our father, ask for us forgiveness of our sins; indeed, we have been sinners." He said, "I will ask forgiveness for you from my Lord. Indeed, it is He who is the Forgiving, the Merciful."

Quran 12:97-98



Narrated By Anas: I heard the Prophet saying, "On the Day of Resurrection I will intercede and say, "O my Lord! Admit into Paradise (even) those who have faith equal to a mustard seed in their hearts." Such people will enter Paradise, and then I will say, 'O (Allah) admit into Paradise (even) those who have the least amount of faith in their hearts." Anas then said: As if I were just now looking at the fingers of Allah's Apostle.

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 93, Number 600


Duas are more likely to be accepted by Allah (SWT) from prophets (as) and Imams (as). Muslims can ask directly and they can ask through others more pious than them. Don’t Muslims ask pious Muslims to do this? Don’t Muslims ask those who fast to make dua for them? This is the same and the reason why Muslims do this is because they know the dua of those who fast or are more pious are more likely to be accepted. Shias do the same but ask the most pious of Muslims, the prophets (as) and the Imams (as). The misconception is that Shias make dua to the Imams (as) instead of Allah (SWT), Adhubillah, this is not the case but it’s understandable as people often judge by what they see while ignorant. Like seeing Shias praying on clay tablets, seems like they’re praying to it but rather they are praying on it.

I heard you have to place your head on clean Earth, that's why I use clay tablets too.

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Re: POLL: What is your Religion?
« Reply #47 on: February 02, 2013, 08:08:57 am »
sallam brother,

Shia Islam is not a non-Muslim political religion, its the true Islam, the Ahlul-Bayt (as) preached only what the prophet (saww) preached, the Sunnis follow the innovations of Umar, I will paste the part of my document showing from Sunni sources the innovations of Umar as well as his crimes, including rape! I just wan't brother Osama to respond to my earlier comments first as he said he "If your religion is correct, then I'll follow it TODAY!". He thought Shias worshipped the Ahlul-Bayt (as), Adhubillah, hopefully he wii know the truth about the Shia, the fastest growing sect within Islam as it is truth and then turn on the scholars that lied to him and the rest of their followers about the Shia just as the Christians did to Islam a few centuries back. He did afterall say about correctness of religion, "If it's not, then I'll continue to fight it." Imam Hussein (as) said before he sacrificed himself, his companions and his family that he wanted to bring back the religion his grandfather, the prophet (saww), preached. So if you are a Shia, you are infact a Muslim, a true Muslim, if there were no other sects we would claim to be Muslims only but since this division happened from the innovated religion we now call ourselves the Shia of Ali (as) as "Ibrahim (as) was from the Shia of Nuh (as)" as said in Surah as-Saffat.

Since you have brought up the prostration on earth, I will paste the part of my document about this for you:




Why do Shias pray on a clay tablet?


'Abdullah b. Unais reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: I was shown Lailat-ul-Qadr; then I was made to forget it, and saw that I was prostrating in water and clay in the morning of that (night). He (the narrator) said: There was a downpour on the twenty-third night and the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) led us in prayer, and as he went back, there was a trace of water and clay on his forehead and on his nose. He (the narrator) said: 'Abdullah b. Unais used to say that it was the twenty-third (night).

Sahih Muslim, Book 6, Number 2631


*Because the prophet (saww) never prayed on woven material and he only allowed his companions to pray on wool when the earth was very hot due to the burning sun in Arabia:


Abdullah Ibn Abbas said: He who doesn’t put his nose with his forehead on the Earth/Soil when doing Sajdah (Prostration), his Salat is invalid.

Kanz ul Ummal, Volume 7, Page 464, Number 19802
Al Mu'jam al Awsat, by Tabarani Volume 3, Page 139, Number 4111



Aisha narrated: The Prophet (saww) said: "Gabriel informed me that my grandson al-Hussein will be killed after me in the land of al-Taff and brought me this Turbah (mud/soil) and informed me that this is the soil of the place he will be martyred."

Al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar Haythami, Chapter 11, Section 3, Page 292


*This is why it’s recommended to pray on soil from Karbala which is made into clay tablets by mixing with water so the soil doesn't fall apart.

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Re: POLL: What is your Religion?
« Reply #48 on: February 03, 2013, 03:03:15 am »
sallam brother,

Shia Islam is not a non-Muslim political religion, its the true Islam, the Ahlul-Bayt (as) preached only what the prophet (saww) preached, the Sunnis follow the innovations of Umar, I will paste the part of my document showing from Sunni sources the innovations of Umar as well as his crimes, including rape!

Wa Alaikum As'salam,

I look forward to seeing your "facts", to expose them here before everyone.  This is a typical deceptive tactic that your people usually come up with.  I am familiar with these ridiculous Shia tactics.  Nothing new here.  They use mere people that they even lie and exaggerate on to divert the topic.  I want everyone here to see how this guy is now changing the topic from blaspheming against Allah Almighty to a mere creation like Umar, the 2nd Islami Caliph.  A typical shia lie and tactic that is common among the shias.

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I just wan't brother Osama to respond to my earlier comments first as he said he "If your religion is correct, then I'll follow it TODAY!". He thought Shias worshipped the Ahlul-Bayt (as), Adhubillah, hopefully he wii know the truth about the Shia, the fastest growing sect within Islam as it is truth and then turn on the scholars that lied to him and the rest of their followers about the Shia just as the Christians did to Islam a few centuries back.

Only in your wildest dreams are Shias the fastest growing sect.  Another deception.  Shias now are being exposed by the wholesale throughout the entire Ummah.

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He did afterall say about correctness of religion, "If it's not, then I'll continue to fight it." Imam Hussein (as) said before he sacrificed himself, his companions and his family that he wanted to bring back the religion his grandfather, the prophet (saww), preached. So if you are a Shia, you are infact a Muslim, a true Muslim, if there were no other sects we would claim to be Muslims only but since this division happened from the innovated religion we now call ourselves the Shia of Ali (as) as "Ibrahim (as) was from the Shia of Nuh (as)" as said in Surah as-Saffat.

Let's get few things straight here:

1-  Just because you claim to be on a side of certain people, it doesn't mean that you represent them. 

2-  As Jesus Christ and his Mother Mary, peace be upon them, are innocent from the polytheist trinitarian pagans, the people of Bayt, peace be upon them, are also innocent from the shias. 

But notice again everyone, this guy is now reducing the subject to debating about mere people, when I couldn't have made it any clearer that SHIAS ARE INFIDELS BECAUSE THEY ARE POLYTHEISTS, WHO INSULT ALLAH ALMIGHTY.  And I have posted two videos that clearly and INDISPUTABLY prove this with ample clips from their top scholars:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/shias_kufr_exposed.wmv (Arabic)
http://www.answering-christianity.com/shia_kufur_in_english_part_1.wmv (English)


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Since you have brought up the prostration on earth, I will paste the part of my document about this for you:

What??!!

The rest of your quotes are ignored for now, because the main issue here isn't to discuss Hadiths and to refute you and prove that you've taken things out of context by presenting counter Hadiths to refute you.  The issue that makes you an infidel and a polythiest is the ONENESS OF ALLAH ALMIGHTY.

I declare that the shias' religion is a blasphemy against Allah Almighty, as christianity today is also a blasphemy against Allah Almighty.  Christians don't represent Jesus and is Mother, and your people don't reprent Hussein, Ali, and the rest of the People of the Bayt, peace be upon them.  They are all innocent from all of you because you are polytheists.  The videos above clearly and indisputably prove this.

Furthermore, and I mentioned in my other reply, any "Muslim" (Shia, Sufi or what have you) who calls upon creations of Allah Almighty for blessings, aid, protection, help, strength and so on is an idol worshiper.  So whether it is a person, a grave, or anything, that person has become an idol worshiper.  Otherwise, the following Noble Verse has no meaning nor value:

‏9:31 اتخذوا احبارهم ورهبانهم اربابا من دون الله والمسيح ابن مريم وماامروا الا ليعبدوا الها واحدا لااله الا هو سبحانه عما يشركون


[009:031] They take their priests and their anchorites to be their lords in derogation of God, and (they take as their Lord) Christ the son of Mary; yet they were commanded to worship but One God: there is no god but He. Praise and glory to Him: (Far is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him).

‏In fact, Wahabism (a strict Muslim Sunni sect) was born in Saudi Arabia, because of the grave worship by many.  They'd go to graves and start seeking blessings, and help, and spiritual aid from the graves.  The Shias are even far worse!  See their videos when they go to Hussein's grave.  It's disgusting!!  I have it in the video above.  You bow to his grave in worship, and you come to him crawling and bowing down to him.  This is not the Islam that I follow.  You have taken the People of the Bayt as اربابا من دون الله.  Even Prophet Muhammad's grave itself isn't anything holy to me.  The Prophet himself further said:

Allah Almighty would rather have the entire Kaaba (the black cubic building in Mecca) be demolished than to have a single drop of blood be shed from a Muslim.

And in another Hadith, he said:

لا تهدمن الكعبة مئة مرة اهون عند الله من موت رجل مسلم


Let the Kaaba be demolished 100 times, is still easier to Allah Almighty than killing a Believer.

So much for polytheism polluting Islam.


Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Re: POLL: What is your Religion?
« Reply #49 on: February 03, 2013, 06:15:32 am »
that's not fair Mr. Osama...Anyone can copy videos of a certain group doing bad things, they are not accountable for the entire sect! Do the Taliban represent Sunni Islam? HELL NO

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« Reply #50 on: February 03, 2013, 08:42:58 am »
hahaha Osama is a Wahhabi hahaha, you must have supported all the rape of Muslims they did, all the enslaving of children and women they did, all the looting they did, ofcourse you do. You wished the Egyptian king allowed the Wahhabis to demolish the prophet's grave, you are happy they changed the house the prophet (saww) shared with Khadija (as) to public toilets. The founder who is ironically resting on the dome of the prophet (saww) was even opposed by his father and brother who wrote a book to refute him, the guy was a terrorist nutjob. Here's a video describing what the Wahhabis did by a Wahhabi historian:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjoFvw6Kwr0&list=UUBgM-sKkB4ySrdiCsk0ikUA&index=405
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2U9y33czEw&list=UU7F0zDtfuBeFGheRkSiBwDg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUlOKeyPwUo&list=UUyRjkP_7wFJ3aJr7CEDQQsw&index=5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSlMyg7FzgI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8x9MNF298vY


1- I have pasted the part about intercession with the prophet (saww) and the Ahlul-Bayt (as), but you did as all Sunnis do, ignored it and moved on. I will paste it here and extra:

Why do Shias ask Allah (SWT) in the name of Imams (as) and Muhammad (saww) instead of asking directly from Allah (SWT)?


They said, "O our father, ask for us forgiveness of our sins; indeed, we have been sinners." He said, "I will ask forgiveness for you from my Lord. Indeed, it is He who is the Forgiving, the Merciful."

Quran 12:97-98



Narrated By Anas: I heard the Prophet saying, "On the Day of Resurrection I will intercede and say, "O my Lord! Admit into Paradise (even) those who have faith equal to a mustard seed in their hearts." Such people will enter Paradise, and then I will say, 'O (Allah) admit into Paradise (even) those who have the least amount of faith in their hearts." Anas then said: As if I were just now looking at the fingers of Allah's Apostle.

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 93, Number 600


*Duas are more likely to be accepted by Allah (SWT) from prophets (as) and Imams (as). Muslims can ask directly and they can ask through others more pious than them. Don’t Muslims ask pious Muslims to do this? Don’t Muslims ask those who fast to make dua for them? This is the same and the reason why Muslims do this is because they know the dua of those who fast or are more pious are more likely to be accepted. Shias do the same but ask the most pious of Muslims, the prophets (as) and the Imams (as). The misconception is that Shias make dua to the Imams (as) instead of Allah (SWT), Adhubillah, this is not the case but it’s understandable as people often judge by what they see while ignorant. Like seeing Shias praying on clay tablets, seems like they’re praying to it but rather they are praying on it.

And We did not send any messenger except to be obeyed by permission of Allah. And if, when they wronged themselves, they had come to you, [O Muhammad], and asked forgiveness of Allah and the Messenger had asked forgiveness for them, they would have found Allah Accepting of repentance and Merciful.

Quran 4:64


Al-`Utbi said: ‘as I was sitting by the grave of the Prophet, a Bedouin Arab came and said: "Peace be upon you, O Messenger of Allah! I have heard Allah saying: And We did not send any messenger except to be obeyed by permission of Allah. And if, when they wronged themselves, they had come to you, [O Muhammad], and asked forgiveness of Allah and the Messenger had asked forgiveness for them, they would have found Allah Accepting of repentance and Merciful. (Quran 4:64).

“So I have come to you asking forgiveness for my sin, seeking your intercession with my Lord." Then he began to recite poetry:

O best of those, whose bones are buried in the deep earth,
And from whose fragrance the depth,
And the height have become sweet,
May I be the ransom for a grave which thou inhabit,
And in which are found purity bounty and munificence,
 
“Then he left, and I slept and saw the Prophet (saww) in my sleep. He said to me: “O `Utbi, run after the Bedouin and give him glad tidings that Allah has forgiven him.”

Tafsir of Ibn Kathir, Volume 1, Page 532
 

*Notice here that although the prophet (saww) was apparently dead, he did intercede on behalf of the Bedouin and asked Allah the Most Exalted to forgive all of his sins.

 
Ibn Hanbal narrates: “a blind person came to the Prophet (saww) and said: 'Pray to Allah that He bestows me with sight'. The Prophet (saww) replied: ‘If you desire, I’ll not pray, as being blind may be better for your afterlife, or I’ll pray’
 
“The man then chose to be relieved of blindness and the Messenger told him: 'Perform ablution (i.e. Wudu), pray two rak'at and then supplicate to Allah in this way: 'O God! Surely my appeal is to You and I turn towards You through the Prophet Muhammad, the Prophet of mercy: O Muhammad, surely I turn towards God through you, that He uncover my sight. O God, make him my intercessor.’ The man did what the Messenger told him and his sight was restored.”

Musnad Ahmed, Volume 4, Page 138


*Notice here that the prophet (saww) ordered the blind man to turn towards Allah the Most Exalted through him, for he ordered him to say: “O Muhammad”. Additionally, although the prophet (saww) was not with him at the time he recited the Dua, Allah the Most Exalted did cure him and restored his eyesight. Furthermore, there is no difference in asking the prophet (saww) to intercede on our behalf during his lifetime or after his martyrdom as proved in the Al-`Utbi’s narration, for he is alive and is provided sustenance:

And never think of those who have been killed in the cause of Allah as dead. Rather, they are alive with their Lord, receiving provision,

Quran 3:169


*Needless to say, making duas to Allah (SWT) through the Ahlul-Bayt (as) is also permissible, for Imam Ali (as) is nothing but an extension of the prophet’s personality as stated in the holy Quran:

Then whoever argues with you about it after [this] knowledge has come to you - say, "Come, let us call our sons and your sons, our women and your women, ourselves and yourselves, then supplicate earnestly [together] and invoke the curse of Allah upon the liars [among us]."

Quran 3:61
 

*The same is the case for Imam Hussain (as), as the prophet (saww) said: “Hussain is from me and I am from Hussein”. There are in fact numerous narrations that state the same about each and every member of the Ahlul-Bayt (as).



Why do Shias build masjids on the graves of the Imams?


And thus did We make (men) to get knowledge of them that they might know that Allah's promise is true and that as for the hour there is no doubt about it. When they disputed among themselves about their affair and said: Erect an edifice over them-- their Lord best knows them. Those who prevailed in their affair said: We will certainly raise a masjid over them.

Quran 18:21


*After Allah (SWT) reveals this in the Quran He does not condemn it or say what they did was wrong and the fact that he included it in the Quran means that this is acceptable.



2- You did not reply to my comment on Ali (as), answer them please.

3- The part of the comment about prostrating on clay (earth) was not for you, it was from him, he already knew intercession was allowed, you should have just ignored it and went back to see my previous comments on page 3.

4- Since you like to use videos of certain Shia scholars, let's drop down to you level and do the same, because its fun:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izz_1ICO3N0&list=UU2_1wjpCP53EHRWkP_zrHWQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nL9KlyNV4YU&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeYrZXgOjd4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WP8NVdVw-v0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOrDiO9eCPw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGyMRoUjQ84
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHjy16huIeY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj65hMFYk3U&list=UUyRjkP_7wFJ3aJr7CEDQQsw&index=50
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRjxedKkUZ0&list=UUyRjkP_7wFJ3aJr7CEDQQsw&index=18
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ted-NxBbhng&list=UUpBvIBfZ-foo5ZbLH5O0N4g&index=90
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYV1pAnXpsE&list=UU2_1wjpCP53EHRWkP_zrHWQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPUJF7B4Caw&list=UU2_1wjpCP53EHRWkP_zrHWQ&index=135
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKAcKrT0neU&list=UU2_1wjpCP53EHRWkP_zrHWQ&index=310
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z51KSU_ypqE&list=UUeIKA_IXsY1c9PIelnWBG9Q&index=62
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWQBanqj-C8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POWuiDVvJxE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tZFRd5XN4s&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFBHSKc_x40&list=UUBgM-sKkB4ySrdiCsk0ikUA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvPM62sKXoE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fp4_7nw1AEs



You deny Shia Islam is not the fastest growing sect within Islam, let's take example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moxc14JzchQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yblysi_d5SQ&list=UUyRjkP_7wFJ3aJr7CEDQQsw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSQ8ym37zzs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIbqCPOwCaI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHmmZxdFi2M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWNkSKsRfEM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlqOGlkF_N0


To my other brother, please also watch and recite sahada to be complete Muslim:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEvdve3AF3A


Sallam

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Re: POLL: What is your Religion?
« Reply #51 on: February 03, 2013, 08:56:55 am »
Aisha killed Muhammad? I have to disagree on that one!!!!

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« Reply #52 on: February 03, 2013, 09:09:44 am »
Ban this shia fool.

Shia's aren't even muslims.
They worship there imams before God.

Some of them, claim that Ali is God.

SOme of them Ali should've recieved Prophethood/Qur'an instead of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him).

Go away, you dumb Shia. You aren't muslims, you kill muslims but you side with the disbelievers, fools.

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« Reply #53 on: February 03, 2013, 10:35:27 am »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HiMgW9yd7w

adnan, read my comment, read it, I have refuted your points in it.

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« Reply #54 on: February 03, 2013, 10:44:31 am »
I first want brother Osama to reply about Ali (as) and then I will expose Aisha's behaviour from Sunni books.

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« Reply #55 on: February 03, 2013, 01:47:11 pm »
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Ban this shia fool.

As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers,

Please cool down everyone.  I didn't open this section to ban Shias.  Brother Amar said his beliefs, and I respect him for that.  Let's have a civil dialogue insha'Allah and get to the bottom of all of this. 

I'll respond in details to his materials today, insha'Allah.

Take care,
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« Reply #56 on: February 03, 2013, 03:33:45 pm »
I love watching two people fighting over whose imaginary friend sounds more realistic. Please, nuke each other! :D

One of two things could happen:
1) The religious end up blowing up the planet
2) The religious kill each other in a battle, then we can start over again

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« Reply #57 on: February 03, 2013, 04:18:05 pm »
Do you think Atheist secular societies are the way forward? Let's see what morals were used when secular America made this decision:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWTJow1jM34

Operation Northwoods

The mass terrorism acts including the biggest, the droping of nukes on civilians and the even worse plan b as was recently revealed.

Peace

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« Reply #58 on: February 03, 2013, 08:12:54 pm »
As'salamu Alaikum everyone,

In this rebuttal to broter Amar, you will see, insha'Allah, how truly bankrupt and desperate and ridiculous the Shias.  First of all, and again and again, I don't know brother Amar is reducing the topic to debating creations of Allah Almighty, when my point couldn't be any clearer about the reason why I consider the Shias' religion to be a religion of infidels, is because of the insults that they insult Allah Almighty with, and the true polytheism and idol worship that they have engraved into their religion from:

1-  Glorification of the people of the Bayt.

2-  The worship of their graves (bowing them, coming to them crawling on the ground, beating their bodies and their children and cutting themselves and their children into bloody mess).

It is clear that such practices are 100% polytheism and a glorification to creations of Allah Almighty, and association of partners with Allah Almighty.

Furthermore, brother Amar's links, which can be easily refuted, are mostly concerned about attacking mere creations of Allah Almighty.  Now let me destroy this guy and his false cult and religion regarding this very point:


Brother Amar, tell us all WHO MADE THESE PEOPLE THAT YOU ATTACK?

My question is not who created them.  Obviously, Allah Almighty created them.  My question is:  Who made them?  Who elated them and raised them to become the Muslims' leaders after the Prophet died?  Please answer the following questions:

1-  Regarding Abu Sufyan, the leader of the hypocrites as you call him, in tribal Arabia, why did the Prophet of Islam make him his father in law?  Why did the Prophet of Islam marry his daughter?  Why did the Prophet of Islam make him the leader of Mecca after the liberation of Mecca when he said to the pagans that whoever enters the house of Abu Sufyan will be safe.

2-  Regarding Muawiyah, the son of Abu Sufyan, why did the Prophet of Islam marry his sister?  And why did he make him a leader of the Muslims by making him and his father be among the top seniors and most recognized people during his lifetime?

3-  Regarding Abu Bakr, the first Islamic Caliph and the father of all hypocrites according to you, and the one who is even below satan in Hell, why did the Prophet of Islam marry his daughter Aisha?  And why was Abu Bakr the Prophet's best friend, and one of his closest companions even according to your own sources?

4-  Regarding Umar, the second Islamic Caliph and the one who is above Abu Bakr in Hell and under satan, WHY DID ALI (YOUR god and lord) MARRY HIS DAUGHTER TO HIM (Umar married Ali's daughter)?!

5-  Regarding Uthman, the 3rd Islamic Caliph and the bastard who put Muawiyah and others in rulership in Iraq, Syria, Egypt and other places (as Muslims were on a roll and conquoring much of Africa and Asia) according to you, why did the Prophet of Islam marry him TWO OF HIS DAUGHTERS?!  After the first one died, Uthman married the second daughter of Prophet Muhammad.  This is why Uthman is called the one of the two lights (Dhul Noorayn), because he married two of the Prophet's daughters.

6-  Regarding Aisha, the Prophet's second wife, his most beloved after Khadijah (his first wife after she passed away), the daughter of Abu Bakr (the 1st Islamic Caliph), and the [harlot] as you call her.  Why did the Prophet of Islam marry a [harlot]?  Why did he give her this status and honor to be his wife?

You see Amar and your Shias, the more you insult these people the more YOU WIPE THE FLOOR WITH THE PROPHET OF ISLAM, THEIR MAKER!  It's that simple and that obvious.  And no, you don't have the Truth regarding them.  Your people's hate made them make up fabricated stories on them.  Like I told you before Amar (in a personal reply), your narrations came 100s of years after ours!  By the way, you also wipe the floor with Ali, your god, as well because:

1-  Umar married Ali's daughter.

2-  Ali made peace with Muawiyah, and his son Hasan further honored that peace.  Hussein wanted to start the civil war crap all over again, and he was advised to not to to Iraq from Medina because the people of Iraq will not stick to their words with him.  They will betray him as they did to his father, and they will betray him as they poisoned his son, Hasan, who's also Hussein's brother.  Hussein didn't listen to the advise and went up to Iraq, he was cut off, killed, and his head was dragged from Karbala all the way to damascus.

While I am with Hussein anyday anytime, but honestly he should've just let it go, because he would never even be 10% as mighty and powerful and popular as his father, Ali, but still his father failed and gave in and made peace.  Yes Ali was right and Muawaiyah was wrong, but Ali made peace with Muawiyah and ended the fight for good.  Hussein had no right to restart the bloodshed!

So why don't you be man enough now and condemn the Prophet of Islam for all of this, Amar?  After all, he should take the grand blame for all of this, because he made all of these people and put them in senior authority!  Hussein was killed because of Prophet Muhammad, according to your logic!!  Plain and simple.  So why not be honest and say the Truth?


The www.answering-christianity.com analogy:

Let me give you this analogy to make it easier for you to understand.  As you may know, this website has an Authors Section.  A number of brothers wrote many articles for this website in the past. 

Now suppose you open their sections, and read their many articles and find out that most of their articles are low and despicable ones!  The overwhelming majority of them are:

1-  Pornographic.
2-  Alcohol promoting.
3-  Drugs promoting.
4-  Prostitution seeking and promoting.
5-  Contain COUNTLESS f*** words in them.

IN THE HOLY NAME OF ALLAH ALMIGHTY I ASK YOU THIS AMAR:  What would this say about Osama Abdallah, the owner of www.answering-christianity.com then?  Answer this with all honesty if you are not a liar and a coward!

Now regarding calling unto the creations of Allah Almighty for intercession, I already answered this in the email reply that I sent you, but I'll elaborate on it in GREAT DETAILS IN MY NEXT REBUTTAL TO YOU, insha'Allah.  Stay tunned.

(still not finished, but I'll submit so I don't get timed out)

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« Reply #59 on: February 03, 2013, 09:49:23 pm »
Sallam

before I start I will like to thank you for not banning me and for replying only on the blog, I am only using Sunni hadiths here and won't curse the main symbols you love like Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman, Aisha so no resentment is felt and only logic is applied, though I do hate their deeds, very much.

Why don't you just admit it, you hate the Ahlul-Bayt (as). You are the type of person who would have followed Aisha in the war with Ali (as) which cost the lives of 30000 Muslims. I am going to give brief replies, but am gonna give put a large part to refute you. However first you have not replied to these following points that I proved with your hadiths:

1- Muhammad (saww) interceded both during and after his martyrdom.
2- Yacoub (as) interceded for his sons, why didn't he tell them to ask yourselves, they didn't, they just went straight to him as they knew their duas are pretty much useless after their crimes.
3- That the prophet (saww) made Ali (as) leader, your books not ours, refer to my previous post about Ali (as) where Abu Bakr said to Ali (as) after the deceleration at Ghadeer, "Congratulations, Congratulations to you, O son of Abu Talib. Today you became the master of every believing man and woman".
4- The prophet (saww) said "I am in the state of war with those who will fight you, and in the state of peace with those who are peaceful to you" to Ali, al-Hassan, al-Hussein, and Fatimah (as). So from this alone Muhammad (saww) is at war with Abu Bakr, Aisha, Muawiya and Yazeed.
5- Read the rest about Ali (as), I expect you to refute each hadith individually, something you missed out as its from your books, some 'sahih' so definitely happened.

To your comment now:

1- We glorify the Ahlul-Bayt (as) because the prophet (saww) did, if you dare say Aisha was part of the Ahlul-Bayt (as) then I will paste you the part of my document that refutes you using Quran and your two 'sahih' books.
2- We worship their graves? Have you been there, have you seen a Shia pray and "bow" towards them instead of the kibla. Shias crawl in a show of humility, we will never forget the sacrifice Imam Hussein (as) the prophet (saww) would cry for. We don't associate them with Allah (SWT), Adhubillah, you associating Shias with deviant groups like Alawites.
3- Since you have insulted the practices of the prophet (saww) and that of lady Zainab (as) I will paste the part of the document that once read, you must repent if you know what's best for you:

Why do Shias mourn Imam Hussein (as) annually?


Abd al-Rahman b. Yazid said: When al-Ash'ath b. Qais entered the house of 'Abdullah he was having his breakfast. He ('Abdullah b. Umar) said: Abd Muhammad (al-Asha'th), come near to the breakfast. Thereupon he said: Is not today the day of 'Ashura? He ('Abd al-Rahman) said: Do you know what the day of 'Ashura is? He said: What is it? He said: It is a day on which the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) used to observe fast before the (fasting) in the month of Ramadan (became) obligatory. But when it became obligatory the (fasting of 'Ashura) was abandoned (as compulsory). Abu Kuraib said: He (the Holy Prophet) abandoned it.

Sahih Muslim, Book 6, Number 2510-2513


*Here we see Muhammad (saww) abandoned celebrating Ashura by abandoning the fast of Ashura, let’s see why:

Ummul Fadhl the daughter of al-Harith said that she entered on the Messenger of Allah (saww) and she said: “Oh! Messenger of Allah, I saw a strange dream last night. He said: And what is it? She said: It was difficult. He said: And what is it? She said: I saw, as if, a piece of your body was severed and was put in my lap! The Messenger of Allah (saww) said: You saw well - Fatima will give birth, God willing, a boy so he will be in your lap. Then Fatima gave birth to al-Hussein and he was in my lap - just as the Messenger of Allah (saww) said. So I entered one day on the Messenger of Allah (saww) and put him in his lap, but I noticed that the eyes of the Messenger of Allah (saww) pouring tears! So I said: Oh! Prophet of Allah, my parents are your ransom, what is with you? He said: Gabriel came to me and informed me that my nation (ummah) will kill this son of mine.”

Al-Mustadrak al-Sahih, al-Hafidh al-Hakim al-Nisapouri, Volume 3, Page 176
Dalael al-Nubouwa, al-Hafidh al-Bayhaqi under the subject of al-Hussain
Cf. Ibn al-A'tham 4, (Hyderabad, 1971), Page 211-212



Umm Salama said: "al-Hussain entered on the Prophet (saww), while I was sitting at the door, so I saw in the hand of the Prophet (saww) something he turned over while (Hussain) sleeping on his stomach. I said: Oh messenger of Allah, I looked and saw you turning something over in your hand when the kid was sleeping on your stomach and your tears were pouring? He said: Gabriel came to me with the sand upon which he (Hussain) will be killed. And he informed me that my nation (ummah) will kill him."

Al-Musannaf, al-Hafidh abu Bakr bin abi Shaibah, Volume 12
Al-Musnad, Ahmad bin Hanbal, Volume 2, Page 60-61
Al-Taba'qat al-Kubra, Ibn Saad
Al-Moejam al-Kabeer, al-Hafidh al-Tabarani (on subject of al-Hussain)
A'lam al-Nubuwwah, al-Mawardi al-Shafi
Kanz al-Ummal, al-Muttaqi al-Hindi



Ahmed and Ibn al-Dhahhak narrated from Ali: “I entered on the prophet (saww) and his eyes were flooded, I said: Oh! Prophet of Allah, anyone made you angry? Why are your eyes flooded? He said: Gabriel just left me telling me that al-Hussain will be killed by the river Euphrates. He (the Prophet) said: So he (Gabriel) said: Do you want me to let you smell his dirt (from his burial pot)? I said: Yes! He reached with his hand and grabbed a handful of dirt and gave it to me. So I could not help it and my eyes were flooded.”

Thakhaer al-Uqba, Muhibbuldeen al-Tabari, Page 148



Ibn Saad, Ali bin Muhammad, Yahya bin Zakariya, a man heard it from 'Amir al-Sha'bi say: “When Ali passed by Karbala in his march to Siffien and lined up with Nainawa - a village on the Euphrates - he stopped and called one of them men: Tell aba 'Abdullah (al-Hussain) what this land is called? He said: Karbala. Then he cried until the earth was wet from his tears. He then said: I entered on the messenger of Allah (saww) and he was crying. So I said: What makes you cry? He said: Gabriel was with me, just now, and informed me: that my son al-Hussain will be killed at the banks of Furat in a location called Karbala. Then Gabriel grabbed a handful of dirt and let me smell it. So I could not help it, my eyes overflowed.”

Al-Tabaqat al-Kubra, Ibn Saad
Al-Musannaf, Ibn Abi Shaibeh, Volume 12
Al-Moejam al-Kabeer, al-Tabarani, Volume 1
Tareekh al-Shamm, Ibn 'Asakir


*Here we see that Muhammad (saww) was the first one to mourn Hussein (as), he was the one who started the majlis where people would cry for Hussein (as), the Shia didn't innovate this practice, it was the Sunnah of Muhammad (saww). We also find here the reason why out of all the materials of earth to prostrate on, Shias choose the "dirt" of Karbala over leafs, pebbles and sand which is permissible to prostrate on and the woven cloth which is not permissible to prostrate on as Muhammad (saww) only prostrated on earth and the "dirt" of Karbala was dearest to Muhammad (saww) out of all the dirt, i.e. the best part of earth to prostrate on is the earth of Karbala.

Now to the practices of mourning by the Shia during Ashura (10th Muharram), we will jump in to the most controversial practice in the eyes of the non-Shias; tatbir (bloodletting) which was first practiced by lady Zaynab (as). This is when one makes a cut just over his forehead and lets their blood spill. First reaction people say this is self-inflicting harm, to an extent this is true as a very small minority do die and do get disabilities from this, a very small minority. To respond to this, when people go to Hajj does not a very small minority die? Does not a very small minority become disabled? The answer is yes this in fact happens but Muslims will never abandon Hajj now as it’s a religious practice, the same case applies here, for the Shia, tatbir is a religious practice so it will never be abandoned.

Now people can still say no, cutting oneself is haram as it causes self-harm, in fact the prophet (saww) would do cupping so it’s not injuring oneself. Cupping is the releasing of blood from the forehead, the same place where blood is released during tatbir. Cupping is used to remove 'dirty' blood, blood that the body does not want which collects in the head:


Narrated 'Abdullah bin Buhaina: Allah's Apostle was cupped on the middle of his head at Lahl Jamal on his way to Mecca while he was in a state of Ihram. Narrated Ibn 'Abbas: Allah's Apostle was cupped on his head.

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 71, Number 601
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 71, Number 595
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 71, Number 598-600



Narrated Ibn 'Abbas: The Prophet was cupped while he was fasting.

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 71, Number 597


*We see here that the prophet (saww) even did cupping while fasting and while in the state of Ihram, this shows that tatbir is a pure act, not a hated act but a highly recommended act, the prophet's favorite medicine was cupping. Let’s now see examples of self-beating to show distress by the prophets (as):

Hadhrath Adam (as) was so distressed that he smashed his hands onto his knees and the skin from his hands caused gashes from which bone could be seen.

Ma'arij al Nubuwwa, Chapter 1, Page 248



"When life was breathed into the spirit of Adam (as) he hit his hand on his head and cried. He made this tradition of beating one's head with one's hand and crying in times of trouble for his descendants."

Mudharij al Nubuwwa, Page 221



"On one occasion Gabriel approached Prophet Yusuf (as) in Zundh and conveyed the news that his father had become blind on account of his weeping for him. Yusuf (as) hit his hand on his head and said 'O I wish my mother did not give birth to me, so that I would have not become the cause of such sadness to my father'".

Tafseer Kabeer, Volume 5, Page 158


*Now we will see this act being done by the noblest of prophets (saww):

"Rasulullah (saww) was in a state where he was hitting his chest."

Sahih al Bukhari, Volume 2, Page 50
Sunan al Nasa’i, Volume 3, Page 305
Adhan al Mufreed, Page 426
Sahih Muslim, Volume 1, Page 291
Musnad Abu Awana, Volume 2, Page 292


Ibn Hajr Asqalani in the commentary of this tradition in Fathul Bari, Volume 3, Page 90 writes: "This Hadith demonstrates that it is permissible to bang your hand at a moment of distress".



Narrated 'Ali bin Abi Talib: That Allah's Apostle came to him and Fatima the daughter of Allah's Apostle at their house at night and said, "Won't you pray?" 'Ali replied, "O Allah's Apostle! Our souls are in the Hands of Allah and when he wants us to get up, He makes us get up." When 'Ali said that to him, Allah's Apostle left without saying anything to him. While the Prophet was leaving, 'Ali heard him striking his thigh (with his hand) and saying, "But man is quarrelsome more than anything else.” (18.54)

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 92, Number 446


*Now let’s see the companions of Muhammad (saww) do the same:

When Ayesha was defeated and Ali (as) saw the corpses on the ground he began to beat his thighs.

Tauhfa Ithna Ashari, Page 523



"When the situation of the Prophet worsened, Bilal emerged beating his head and loudly wailing, 'I wish my mother had not given birth to me, and that if she had I wish that I had died before this day'"

Mudharij al Nubuwwa, Volume 2, Page 441


*Now let’s see the wives of the prophet (saww) do the same:

I heard Ayesha saying "The Messenger of Allah died on my bosom during my turn, I did not wrong anyone in regard to him. It was because of my ignorance and youthfulness that the Messenger of Allah died while he was in my lap. Then I laid his head on a pillow and got up beating my chest and slapping my face along with the women".

Al Tabari in History Volume 9 page 183
Bidayah wa al Nihayah, Volume 5, page 420


*Do you dare insult this act knowing your dear mother slapped her face, you know that part in the video you show someone beating his face from despair, either remove it or insult your mother. Let’s now see the daughter of the prophet (saww) do the same:

Sheikh Abdul Haq Mohaddis Hanafi Dehlavi recorded that: "Fatima Zahra (as) hearing the rumor of the martyrdom of the Holy Prophet (s) at Uhud came out of her house running and beating her head".

Mudharij al Nubuwwa, Volume 2, Page 163


*Let’s see an example of self-beating in the Quran where Sara (as) struck her face when she was told that she would conceive a baby:

And his wife approached with a cry [of alarm] and struck her face and said, "[I am] a barren old woman!"

Quran 51:29


*Now let’s see the prophet (saww) approval of such acts:

Yahya related to me from Malik from Ata ibn Abdullah al-Khurasani that Said ibn al-Musayyab said, "A Bedouin came to the Messenger of Allah (saww) beating his breast and tearing out his hair and saying, 'I am destroyed.' The Messenger of Allah (saww) said, 'Why is that?', and he said, 'I had intercourse with my wife while fasting in Ramadan.' The Messenger of Allah (saww) asked him, 'Are you able to free a slave?', and the man said, 'No.' Then he asked him, 'Are you able to give away a camel?', and the man replied, 'No.' He said, 'Sit down,' and someone brought a large basket of dates to the Messenger of Allah (saww) and he said to the man, 'Take this and give it away as Sadaqa.' The man said, 'There is no one more needy than me,' and (the Messenger of Allah (saww)), said, 'Eat them, and fast one day for the day when you had intercourse.'"

Malik's Muwatta, Book 18, Chapter 9, Number 29


*The action of the Bedouin was a result of spiritual pain he suffered as his fast was invalidated. He was beating his chest and tearing his hair in presence of Holy Prophet (saww) who didn’t object to his actions which shows he approved of his actions. The most explicit proof of self-inflicted injury comes from Owais al-Qarni (ra) the great Muslim Sahaba, praised by both Shia and Sunni erudite. He had an immense love for the holy prophet (saww):

When the news reached Owais al-Qarni (ra) in Yemen that two teeth of the prophet (saww) were broken in the battle of Uhud, he extracted all his teeth. When the prophet (saww) got the news in Medina that Owais had struck down all his teeth, he exclaimed, "Indeed Owais is our devoted friend".

Seerate Halbia, Volume 2, Page 295



"Owais al-Qarni (ra) said to Umar Khattab (ra): 'If you were true in friendship than why on the day when the holy teeth of the Prophet (saww) were broken didn't you break your teeth in companionship? Because, it is a condition of companionship.' Then he showed his teeth all of which were broken and said 'I broke all of my teeth without seeing you (O Prophet) and in the state of Ghabah in your companionship. I had broken one tooth but couldn't get satisfaction so kept on breaking them one by one until I had broken them all '".

Tadhkhirathul Awliya, by Shiekh Farid al Din Attar, Page 17-18


Had the breaking of teeth by Owais al-Qarni (ra) been in opposition to Shariah, Umar would certainly have pointed it out at the time or at least commented and answered the accusation by Owais al-Qarni (ra) of his less than perfect companionship. The silence of Umar proves that he didn't deem the act of breaking one's teeth as done by Owais al-Qarni (ra) as opposed to Shariah but considered it an act of sincerity and also a proof of friendship.

We should point out that breaking one's teeth is a thousand times more painful than the beating of one's chest for a few hours. It is more extreme than chest beating with chains or knives (Zanjeer) because those who have suffered from tooth ache will understand the immense pain that circulates in the mouth and head. Compare the removal of a tooth to the forced removal of a full set of teeth using a stone without the benefit of modern day anesthetics and instruments. The pain must have been unbearable. This was clearly an act of great courage.

This shows that mourning the death of Hussein (as) is Sunnah and taking part in mourning practices that helps one to remember the pain of Imam Hussein (as) is Sunnah. After reading this a previously ignorant non-Shia should never criticise this act that Shias perform, of course the blame of this is down to the scholars and leaders of the Muslims who hide this knowledge from the people they are supposed to lead to heaven, the people they are rather deviating. The fact is there are even Shias and Shia leaders who oppose this out of shame in front of non-Shias and their fear to take part of such acts and only prefer to beat their chest lightly. I say non-Shia as this is also for Christians who oppose this practice:


"Howl, Heshbon, for Ai is despoiled. Cry aloud you villages round Rabbath Ammon, put on sack cloth and beat your breast and score your body with gashes"

Jeremiah 49:3


*Other examples include Isaiah 22:12, Isaiah 32:11, Luke 23:48, Ezekiel 27:31, Jeremiah 7:29 and more.




Now concerning wives of the prophet (saww), why did Lut (as) and Nuh (as) marry their wives?

Ali (as) did not marry his daughter to the person who killed her mother, what logic is this. You Sunnis love to jump on this without using your logic, I can prove this in detail by many ways and let me know if you wan't me too, but use your logic for now.

This is enough for now, but since you bought up Abu Bakr, I will give you a snippit of my document about Abu Bakr just using the Quran:

If you do not aid the Prophet - Allah has already aided him when those who disbelieved had driven him out [of Makkah] as one of two, when they were in the cave and he said to his companion, "Do not grieve; indeed Allah is with us." And Allah sent down His peace upon him and supported him with angels you did not see and made the word of those who disbelieved the lowest, while the word of Allah - that is the highest. And Allah is Exalted in Might and Wise.

Quran 9:40


*First we can see who has greater trust in Allah (SWT) and his messenger (saww), Abu Bakr would “grieve” while with the prophet (saww) and Ali (as) would sleep in his bed waiting for his killers. Also notice what Allah (SWT) did? He sent down His peace upon "him" not upon them. The Arabic word used is singular. Why did Allah (SWT) not send down peace upon the second of the two, Abu Bakr? Let us see who Allah (SWT) sends his peace to:

Then Allah sent down His peace upon His Messenger and upon the believers and sent down soldiers angels whom you did not see and punished those who disbelieved. And that is the recompense of the disbelievers.

Quran 9:26



When those who disbelieved had put into their hearts chauvinism - the chauvinism of the time of ignorance. But Allah sent down His peace upon His Messenger and upon the believers and imposed upon them the word of righteousness, and they were more deserving of it and worthy of it. And ever is Allah , of all things, Knowing.

Quran 48:26





I expect you to refute each Hadith in your book and each verse in the Quran and please have a go in refuting the videos, refute how your great leader Adnan Aroor lied about the history of the prophet (saww). I would like to for next time justify Shia acts like the way we do wudu, the way we pray and so on. However, if you would like me to go straight into Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman and Aisha bashing or showing who are the Ahlul-Bayt (as), please let me know, you will be like a Christian or a Jew, all surprised in what's in their own books, the Bible and the Talmud. Trust me on this, the second you read it you will know your scholars are liars and deniers of the truth.

I do request you to ask Allah (SWT) for guidance to the truth and just pretend if you have to, that you don't belong to the sect of the 73 that's on the right path as you and I both know now Shia Islam is the fastest growing sect within Islam as its truth.