Author Topic: Neanderthals?  (Read 22718 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Tanveer

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Hello
    • View Profile
Neanderthals?
« on: October 22, 2012, 03:57:59 pm »
What's islam's stance on stuff like neanderthals and homo erectus? Apparently we have neanderthal DNA in us?

Offline Tanveer

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Hello
    • View Profile
Re: Neanderthals?
« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2012, 10:48:45 am »
: / No answer? Bleh oh well.

Offline QuranSearchCom

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Islam is the Divine Truth!
    • View Profile
Re: Neanderthals?
« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2012, 09:30:30 pm »
LOL, Islam dear brother began from Adam, peace be upon him, and ended with Muhammad, peace be upon him.  They people, who date back 100s of millions of years ago, were only one human-era from the many eras that we've had for the past 3.8 billion years of our existence on earth.

Please visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/adam_90_feet_tall.htm.  I think this article might help you a bit.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

Offline Tanveer

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Hello
    • View Profile
Re: Neanderthals?
« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2012, 09:03:49 am »
ok thank you ill have a look

Offline There is only one God

  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • View Profile
Re: Neanderthals?
« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2012, 01:59:49 am »
Duh the Qur'an says we have a common ancestor

Offline zulfiqarchucknorris

  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • View Profile
Re: Neanderthals?
« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2012, 09:10:57 am »
I know this mightgt not help but im sure it does, though i dont no where.

Offline Tanveer

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Hello
    • View Profile
Re: Neanderthals?
« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2012, 09:39:57 am »
Duh the Qur'an says we have a common ancestor
Could you give me the verse(s) please?

Offline There is only one God

  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • View Profile
Re: Neanderthals?
« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2012, 09:47:41 am »
 4.1 . O mankind! Be careful of your duty to your Lord Who created you from a single soul and from it created its mate and from them has spread a multitude of men and women.

And common genetic information:

25:54 . And it is He who has created from water a human being and made him [a relative by] lineage and marriage. And ever is your Lord competent [concerning creation].

Another translation is "gave relations by blood and marriage" this of course refers to common genetic information, which goes back to the first human, Adam.

Offline Egyptian

  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • View Profile
Re: Neanderthals?
« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2012, 01:15:45 pm »
What's islam's stance on stuff like neanderthals and homo erectus? Apparently we have neanderthal DNA in us?

Even Chimpanzees Gorillas etc has more than 90% identical DNA with humans ..... but we know as muslims  “Allah does what He pleases.” Allah can create His creatures in any manner that He chooses.

In Islam ,human beings living on the Earth today, are all descendants of a male and a female

Allah also says: “O mankind! We have created you from a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that you may know one another. Verily, the most honorable of you with Allah is the one who is the most God-fearing.” [Sûrah al-Hujûrât:13]

We also see that Allah created the first male "Adam" and female ,directly from "dust ,water,mud....""  without the agency of parents ,or any kind of ancestors.

The direct creation of Adam (peace be upon him) can neither be confirmed nor denied by science in any way. It is a matter of the Unseen and something that science does not have the power to confirm or deny. As a matter of the Unseen, we believe it because Allah informs us about it.

when it comes to all the living things ,other than humans ,the Qur’ân  neither confirm nor deny the theory of biological evolution or the process referred to as natural selection. The question of evolution remains purely a matter of scientific enquiry. The theory of evolution must stand or fall on its own scientific merits – and that means the physical evidence that either confirms the theory or conflicts with it.

Sheikh `Abd al-Wahhâb al-Turayrî wrote:

The role of science is only to observe and describe the patterns that Allah places in His creation. If scientific observation shows a pattern in the evolution of species over time that can be described as natural selection, this is not in itself unbelief. It is only unbelief for a person to think that this evolution took place on its own, and not as a creation of Allah. A Muslim who accepts evolution or natural selection as a valid scientific theory must know that the theory is merely an explanation of one of the many observed patterns in Allah’s creation.

As for the fossil remains of bipedal apes and the tools and artifacts associated with those remains, their existence poses no problem for Islamic teachings. There is nothing in the Qur’ân and Sunnah that either affirms or denies that upright, brainy, tool using apes ever existed or evolved from other apelike ancestors. Such animals may very well have existed on Earth before Adam’s arrival upon it. All we can draw from the Qur’ân and Sunnah is that even if those animals once existed, they were not the forefathers of Adam (peace be upon him).

And Allah knows best.

Offline Tanveer

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Hello
    • View Profile
Re: Neanderthals?
« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2012, 02:00:53 pm »
Thank you very much for the highly informative post Egyptian. :)


Offline Egyptian

  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • View Profile
Re: Neanderthals?
« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2012, 01:11:47 pm »

Thank you for the links Bro Black Muslim  ...... 

but in order to be objective ,let's hear the voice of the evolutionists countering the objections to evolution...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objections_to_evolution
.....

I personally convinced to evolution as a creation of Allah,and not taken place on its own.

Offline There is only one God

  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • View Profile
Re: Neanderthals?
« Reply #12 on: December 27, 2012, 02:21:12 pm »
Australopithecus was an ape. Homo erectus and Neanderthals are humans. There is no transitional fossil, contrary to popular belief.

Offline Mujahid Saifullah

  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • View Profile
Re: Neanderthals?
« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2013, 11:55:00 pm »
We're all apes. Great apes in fact. 8)

Offline There is only one God

  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • View Profile
Re: Neanderthals?
« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2013, 05:06:23 am »
Yes. But now there is evidence that Neanderthals practiced burial rites and cared for their sick, not so primitive now eh...

Burial rites are compulsory in all Abrahamic religions.

Offline Mujahid Saifullah

  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • View Profile
Re: Neanderthals?
« Reply #15 on: February 20, 2013, 09:01:07 am »
Yes, but how is that relevant? Neanderthal bloodlines still exist in peoples of the northern hemisphere (i.e. white people).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaic_human_admixture_with_modern_Homo_sapiens

They may very well be descended from Adam, but what is your point? Are you stipulating that there were prophets amongst them?

Most likely they were animists and polytheists. I say this, because it tends to be true of ancient civilizations.

Offline Sama

  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • View Profile
Re: Neanderthals?
« Reply #16 on: February 21, 2013, 01:43:59 pm »
New Dating Methods Put Neanderthal Extinction Much Earlier Than Previously Thought
If the new evidence holds any weight, then the popular theory that modern humans and Neanderthals co-existed—and possibly even interbred—for millennia has just been shot down, especially as another hugely accepted theory shows modern humans didn’t settle in the region until 42,000 years ago.
http://www.redorbit.com/news/science/1112777296/neanderthals-extinct-earlier-than-thought-020413/

Offline Mujahid Saifullah

  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • View Profile
Re: Neanderthals?
« Reply #17 on: February 21, 2013, 06:11:56 pm »
^ I am aware of such things, but It would also imply that modern humans didn't interbreed with Denisovans, which is troublesome for explaining the natural blond hair of various melanotic peoples.


Offline MuslimBoy

  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • View Profile
Re: Neanderthals?
« Reply #18 on: April 17, 2014, 09:54:04 am »
Brother Mujahid if Evolution is true than why did not Eskimos develop furs to prevent cold according to Evolution?

Offline MuslimBoy

  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • View Profile
Re: Neanderthals?
« Reply #19 on: April 17, 2014, 11:44:11 pm »
Most likely they were animists and polytheists. I say this, because it tends to be true of ancient civilizations.
Yes, may be they were because after the time of Prophet Nuh Peace be Upon him whole world become polytheists but After Prophet Ibrahim Peace be Upon him a new monotheist group came into existence who call themselves Jew.

Offline gandalf the white

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
    • View Profile
Re: Neanderthals?
« Reply #20 on: April 21, 2014, 04:25:12 pm »
god creates what he wills, he can create a bird that has 90% ape dna

Offline nivera79

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
    • View Profile
Re: Neanderthals?
« Reply #21 on: May 07, 2015, 10:48:40 am »
4.1 . O mankind! Be careful of your duty to your Lord Who created you from a single soul and from it created its mate and from them has spread a multitude of men and women.
Pf.. evo-illusionist propaganda. Why do we have to match our religion with this evo-illusionist pseudoscience? "a single soul" refers to Adam. Yes, we have a common ancestor: his name is Adam.

And common genetic information:

25:54 . And it is He who has created from water a human being and made him [a relative by] lineage and marriage. And ever is your Lord competent [concerning creation].
I think this means that we are made 65% of water.

Another translation is "gave relations by blood and marriage" this of course refers to common genetic information, which goes back to the first human, Adam.

Offline nivera79

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
    • View Profile
Re: Neanderthals?
« Reply #22 on: May 07, 2015, 10:52:52 am »
god creates what he wills, he can create a bird that has 90% ape dna
You are 100% right, mice share more DNA with us than apes.

Offline Mahir Adnan

  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • View Profile
Re: Neanderthals?
« Reply #23 on: May 03, 2018, 01:36:29 pm »
Neanderthals are human!


I believe that, hazarat Adam (a.s.) walked on earth about 400000-500000 years ago.

BAD IMAGE,
Ian Tattersall, Head Dep. of Anthropology, American Museum of Natural History, “But quite as important as new Neatherthal finds in the 50’s was the recognition,
finally, that the stooped-shoulder, bent-kneed, stereotype of these humans created by Marcellin Boule was totally false.” The Fossil Trail, 1995, p.101

EVOLUTION OR VARIATION?
 "...a Neanderthaler is a model of evolutionary refinement. Put him in a Brooks Brothers suit and send him down to the supermarket for some groceries and
he might pass completely unnoticed. He might run a little shorter than the clerk serving him but he would not necessarily be the shortest man in the place. He might be heavier-featured,
squattier and more muscular than most, but again he might be no more so than the porter handling the beer cases back in the stock room." EVOLUTION, Time-Life Nature Library.

REHABILITATED
, Richard Leakey “…to refer to someone as ‘Neandertal’ was and still is to some extent, an intended insult. Rehabilitation, however, began in the mid-50s when two
anatomists, William Straus and A.J.E. Cave, undertook a second reconstruction …a body which, though somewhat stocky, was essentially like modern man’s. …The brain is slightly larger
than that of modern humans… The Neandertals average height was around 1.67 meters (5 feet 8 inches). …is unquestionably Homo sapiens. …The arrangement of flowers was not
random: they were carefully placed around the body… A concern for the fate of the human soul…ritual burial, they speak clearly of a deep feeling for the spiritual quality of life...”Making
Of Mankind, 1981 p.148, 153

LARGER BRAIN,
 William Howells, Harvard, “The Neanderthal brain was most positively and definitely not smaller than our own; indeed, and this is a rather bitter pill, it appears to
have been perhaps a little larger.” ,  “averaging 1400 cc,” Europeans about 1200 cc, MANKIND SO FAR, p.165

FULLY HUMAN,”
Mat Cartmill, Duke U., President, Amererican Association of Physical Anthropology, “I tend to think they [Neanderthals] had fully human language. After all, they had larger brains than those of most modern humans, made elegant stone tools, and knew how to use tools.” Discover, 11/98, p.62

MODERN CAME FIRST,
 O. Bar-Yosef, Peabody Museum, Harvard, B. Vandermeerch, U. Bordeaux, “Modern Homo sapiens preceded Neanderthals at Mt. Carmel. ...modern looking H.
sapien had lived in one of the caves some 50,000 to 100,000 years ago, much earlier than such people had been thought to exist anywhere. ...The results have shaken the traditional
evolutionary scenario, producing more questions than answers.” Scientific American, p.94, 4/1993

DNA,
 “The amount of diversity between Neanderthals and living humans is not exceptional.’” Scientific American, 1/1998 “…modern humans…could reconstruct 35 to 70 percent of
the Neandertal genome.” Scientific American, February 2015.

PROTEIN,
“…extracted and sequenced protein from a Neanderthal from Shanidar Cave, Iraq…” Matched! Proceedings Of The National Academy Of Sciences, March 8, 2005, p.62

NEANDERTAL FLUTE,
Matches Do, Re, Mi scale, Science, 5/97 p.203; Scientific American, 9/7
Trinkaus [Washington U.] says he has not seen evidence of any kind of difference, either biological or social, between humans and Neanderthals.”Live Science, March 17, 2008

UNWARRANTED IMAGE
“They have an unwarranted image as brutish and uncaring…The study, by the University of York, reveals that Neanderthal healthcare was…seen as a compassionate and knowledgeable response to injury and illness. …challenging our notions that they were brutish…” Science News, March 13, 2018

SAILORS
“…voyaged to remote islands…Now we are talking about seafaring Neandertals. It’s a pretty stunning change.”Science, April 27, 2018


COLLECTED

Offline Albarra

  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • View Profile
Re: Neanderthals?
« Reply #24 on: May 03, 2018, 02:35:21 pm »
Brother Osama, you spelled "Ahteism" incorrectly lol.