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Offline Tanveer

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Mishkat ul Masabih Hadith.
« on: October 29, 2012, 02:15:35 PM »
The Prophet PBUH said: If i were to command anyone to prostate before anyone i would command the wife to prrostate before the husband. O.O Can someone clarify this? Surely it contradicts the belief that men and women are equal?

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Re: Mishkat ul Masabih Hadith.
« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2012, 06:02:55 PM »
if u continue the hadith you will find that it is followed by " due to the greatness of his right/responsibility over her" meaning that it is not to be taken in a literal sense, but because the husband is has incredible financial responsibility over her (he has to pay ALL the necessities, even hers), so the wife must so respect. Hop it helped bro, i know that im not good in my wording.

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Re: Mishkat ul Masabih Hadith.
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2012, 04:58:59 AM »
Ah right thank you that cleared alot up. I was searching if bowing in martial arts in islam was allowed and one of the scholars used this hadith. Thank you for your help :P

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Re: Mishkat ul Masabih Hadith.
« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2012, 10:15:14 AM »
As-Salamu `Alaykum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh akhi,
Is this Hadith authentic?

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Re: Mishkat ul Masabih Hadith.
« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2012, 12:10:27 PM »
Im not 100% sure. I was searching if bowing in martial arts is permissable and one scholar used this hadith to back up that its not permissable. He didnt give volume chapter or anything so i couldnt dwelve deeper into this hadith.

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Re: Mishkat ul Masabih Hadith.
« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2012, 12:57:38 PM »
In the Name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.
All praises and thanks are due to Allah, Lord of the Universe, and much peace and many blessings of Almighty Allah be upon His Noble and Beloved Messenger, Muhammad, and upon him family, companions and whoever follows them in benevolence up until the Day of Resurrection.

This Hadith, brother, is found in Jami` at-Tirmidhi, and it's English reference is Vol. 1, Book 7, Hadith 1159, and the Arabic reference is Book 8, Hadith 1192. This is the link to it: http://sunnah.com/urn/611900.

With regards to the authenticy of this Hadith; if you read on in Arabic, it says that this Hadith is regarded as Hadith Hasan Gharib. According to the legendary www.wikipedia.org, this is what both, Hasan and Gharib Hadiths are.

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Ḥasan, (حَسَن), linguistically means good and there exist somewhat convergent technical definitions, however, in general, it expresses the categorization of a hadith's authenticity as acceptable for use as a religious evidence, however, not established to the extent of ṣaḥīḥ.
 
Ibn Hajar defines a hadith that is ḥasan lithatihi, ḥasan in and of itself, with the same definition a ṣaḥīḥ hadith except that the competence of one of its narrators is less than complete, while a hadith that is ḥasan ligharihi, ḥasan due to external factors, is determined to be ḥasan due to corroborating factors, such as numerous chains of narration. He then states that it is comparable to a ṣaḥīḥ hadith in its religious authority. A ḥasan hadith may rise to the level of being ṣaḥīḥ, in spite of its own minor deficiency, due to the support of having numerous chains of narration; in this case that hadith would be ḥasan lithatihi, ḥasan in and of itself, but when coupled with other supporting chains is ṣaḥīḥ ligharihi, ṣaḥīḥ due to external factors

As for Gharib, this is what Wikipedia has to say:

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A gharib, (غَرِيْب), hadith is one conveyed by only one narrator. Al-Tirmidhi's understanding of a gharib hadith, concurs to a certain extent with that of the other traditionists. According to him a hadith may be classified as gharib for one of the following three reasons:

1.Firstly, a hadith may be classified as gharib since it is narrated from one chain only. Al-Tirmidhi mentions as an example a tradition from Hammad ibn Salamah from Abu 'Usharai on the authority of his father who enquired from the Prophet whether the slaughtering of an animal is confined to the gullet and throat. The Prophet replied that stabbing the thigh will also suffice.

2.Secondly, a tradition can be classified as gharib due to an addition in the text, though it will be considered a sound tradition, if that addition is reported by a reliable reporter. The example cited by al-Tirmidhi is a tradition narrated through the chain of Malik (d. 179 A.H.) from Nafi' (d. 117 A.H.) on the authority of Ibn 'Umar (d. 73 A.H.) who stated that the Prophet declared alms-giving at the end of Ramadan obligatory upon every Muslim, male or female, whether a free person or slave from the Muslims. However, this tradition has also been narrated by Ayyub Sakhtiyani and 'Ubaid Allah ibn 'Umar, without the addition "from the Muslims", hence the above mentioned example due to the addition of "from the Muslims" in the text is classified as gharib.

3.Thirdly, a tradition may be declared gharib since it is narrated through various chains of transmitters but having within one of its chains an addition in the isnād.

In conclusion, Almighty Allah alone knows the authenticy of this Hadith, but I think brother Zulfiqarchucknorris gave you a very accurate definition of the Hadith, where he stated that women should be grateful to their husbands (this neither implies that they are the slaves of their husbands and do not have any rights over their husbands [they do in some situations and their husbands have the right over them in others, and my proof is the Glorious Qur'an] nor does it mean that their husbands should not be good and grateful to their wives too and treat them badly), and and may Almighty Allah bless him for that. :)

'In Sha' Allah Ta`ala you find this post beneficial and an answer to your question. Ameen. :)

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Re: Mishkat ul Masabih Hadith.
« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2012, 01:13:31 PM »
Thank you very much zulfiqar and Ramzi. You guys have helped me alot :)

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Re: Mishkat ul Masabih Hadith.
« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2012, 01:15:34 PM »
No problem brother. :)

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Re: Mishkat ul Masabih Hadith.
« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2012, 05:06:56 PM »
Your most welcome bro.

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Re: Mishkat ul Masabih Hadith.
« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2012, 05:08:55 PM »
Here is the original hadith:
When Mu`âdh ibn Jabal returned from al-Shâm he prostrated to the Prophet  who said, "What is this, Mu`âdh?" He replied, when I came to Shâm I found them prostrating to their priests and bishops, so I told myself I would like to do the same to you." The Messenger of Allâh  said: "Do not! If I were to order anyone to prostrate to anyone else, I would order woman to prostrate to her husband due to the greatness of his right over her. I swear by Allâh that no woman shall taste the sweetness of faith until she fulfills the right of her husband even if he should want her while she is on top of the camel-saddle!"
Narrated from `Abd Allâh ibn Abî Awfâ by Ibn Mâjah and Ah.mad and from Mu`âdh ibn Jabal by al-Bazzâr and Ah.mad with chains of trustworthy narrators as per al-Haythamî (4:309) and by al-H.âkim (4:172=1990 ed. 4:190) who declared it s.ah.îh. as per the criteria of al-Bukhârî and Muslim, al-Dhahabî concurring. A second narration from Mu`âdh in Ah.mad states that this was upon his return from Yemen.

Other hadith that mention this (i.e. If i were to command anyone to prostate before anyone i would command the wife to prostate before the husband)  are only paraphrases of this hadith (i.e. one of the narrators did not feel it was relevant to give us the backround info)

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Re: Mishkat ul Masabih Hadith.
« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2012, 05:51:07 AM »
Jazakallahu khayran brother. :)

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Re: Mishkat ul Masabih Hadith.
« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2012, 05:57:54 AM »
Even the Hadith itself is clearer. May Almighty Allah bless you.

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Re: Mishkat ul Masabih Hadith.
« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2012, 12:07:16 PM »
Thank you very much zulfiqar! Even clearer now
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