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Offline zulfiqarchucknorris

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Muhammad and hafsa
« on: October 30, 2012, 05:26:11 PM »
اختلف في سبب نزول صدر هذه السورة، فقيل: نزلت في شأن مارية، وكان رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم قد حرمها، فنزل قوله تعالى: { يٰأَيُّهَا ٱلنَّبِىُّ لِمَ تُحَرِّمُ مَآ أَحَلَّ ٱللَّهُ لَكَ تَبْتَغِي مَرْضَاتَ أَزْوَٰجِكَ } الآية.

قال أبو عبد الرحمن النسائي: أخبرنا إبراهيم بن يونس بن محمد، حدثنا أبي، حدثنا حماد بن سلمة عن ثابت عن أنس: أن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم كانت له أمة يطؤها، فلم تزل به عائشة وحفصة حتى حرمها، فأنزل الله عزّ وجلّ: { يٰأَيُّهَا ٱلنَّبِيُّ لِمَ تُحَرِّمُ مَآ أَحَلَّ ٱللَّهُ لَكَ } إلى آخر الآية. وقال ابن جرير: حدثني ابن عبد الرحيم البرقي، حدثنا ابن أبي مريم، حدثنا أبو غسان، حدثني زيد بن أسلم: أن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم أصاب أم إبراهيم في بيت بعض نسائه، فقالت: أي رسول الله في بيتي وعلى فراشي؟ فجعلها عليه حراماً، فقالت: أي رسول الله كيف يحرم عليك الحلال؟ فحلف لها بالله لا يصيبها، فأنزل الله تعالى: { يٰأَيُّهَا ٱلنَّبِيُّ لِمَ تُحَرِّمُ مَآ أَحَلَّ ٱللَّهُ لَكَ } قال زيد بن أسلم: فقوله: أنت علي حرام لغو، وهكذا روى عبد الرحمن بن زيد عن أبيه.

وقال ابن جرير أيضاً: حدثنا يونس، حدثنا ابن وهب عن مالك عن زيد بن أسلم قال: قال لها: " أنت علي حرام والله لا أطؤك " ، وقال سفيان الثوري وابن علية عن داود بن أبي هند عن الشعبي عن مسروق قال: آلى رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم وحرم، فعوتب في التحريم وأمر بالكفارة في اليمين، رواه ابن جرير وكذا روي عن قتادة وغيره عن الشعبي نفسه، وكذا قال غير واحد من السلف، منهم الضحاك والحسن وقتادة ومقاتل ابن حيان، وروى العوفي عن ابن عباس القصة مطولة.
This hadith says that muhammad lay with maria on hafsa's day on her (Hafsa's) bed, im a native arabic speaker. is this hadith true?
This is from sunan al nasai sometimes called sunan al sughra, one of the 6 hadith collections (Al-Kutub Al-Sittah‎)

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Re: Muhammad and hafsa
« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2012, 05:34:29 PM »
Correction i pasted 3 paragraphs its only the 2nd paragraphs that is the hadith.

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Re: Muhammad and hafsa
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2012, 08:09:07 AM »
What number is that hadith in this book?
«We were the lowest of all people and then Allah gave us glory by Islam, and if we seek glory in anything other that what Allah has given us, Allah will disgrace us.» Umar ibn Khattab

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Re: Muhammad and hafsa
« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2012, 10:30:21 AM »
As-Salamu `Alaykum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh akhi,

This Hadith is in Sahih Al Bukhari.

As I mentioned before, Maria was either the wife or concubine of the Messenger of Allah (may Almighty Allah bless him and grant him peace) so it is Islamically allowed in both cases to have sex with her.

The thing is, Prophet Muhammad (may Almighty Allah bless him and grant him peace), despite what the enemies of Islam say, was the most kind hearted and thoughtful man to ever walk the Earth. He knew how Hafsa felt and became fully aware of what he did. It is lawful in Islam to have sex with your wives or concubines, and it is lawful to marry up to four wives as long as you can be fair between them. This is mentioned in the Glorious Qur'an. He loved all his wives and was equal in treating them all. Afterall, he is a human being and no human is perfect and faultless, but he was without a doubt the closest anybody could ever get.

I don't know what the Islamophobes try to point out playing with the wording in most Hadiths and Qur'anic verses and giving people a negative impression on Islam, but as long as you yourself are sure that Allah, the Most Glorified and Exalted, is the One and Unique God, and that Prophet Muhammad (may Almighty Allah bless him and grant him peace) is truly the Messenger of the Almighty, and that Islam is the true path to success and to Paradise, you should not even care about what they say. They try so hard to prove Islam wrong even if it were by a mere letter in the Glorious Qur'an but epically fail, whereas they never even open their eyes and see the 101 faults in the religion they follow, that is if they even do follow one in the first place.

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Re: Muhammad and hafsa
« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2012, 01:09:20 PM »
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And if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with the orphan-girls, then marry (other) women of your choice, two or three, or four but if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one or (the captives and the slaves) that your right hands possess. That is nearer to prevent you from doing injustice. [The Glorious Qur'an 4:3]

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Re: Muhammad and hafsa
« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2012, 04:33:11 PM »
Peace
If the hadith is in bukhari, could u pls give me the #, i couldn't find the hadith in bukhari, the previous one thaat i posted and this one are different because this one SPECIFICALLY tells us that the prophet was with maria on hafsa's bed on her day, it tells us in context, is there a problem with isnad? did he mention this is a weak of fabricated hadith. Although i do believe that the prophet was not sinning when he was with maria, because she was his wife or concubine (she was later freed because, according to bukhari and other scholars, the prophet had no slaves when he died, and maria died after the prohet), i was just saying that it was on hafsa's day on her bed. I got this from the Arabic version of Tafsir ibn kathir (so i couldn't get the number) Surah 66: 1 (He does tells us that the ayah could refer to another story, but he mentions that this story is in a major hadith collection).
PS, is there an ayah or hadith that the PROPHET HIMSELF treated his wives fairly (I already know the ayah that commands muslims 2).
thanks bro.

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Re: Muhammad and hafsa
« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2012, 06:46:33 PM »
Just wanted to ask...what do you mean when you say 'on hafsa's day'? Did the prophet have relations with his wives on particular days or something?

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Re: Muhammad and hafsa
« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2012, 08:15:11 AM »
He spent each day with a different wife

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Re: Muhammad and hafsa
« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2012, 09:26:33 AM »
Ah right i see :P

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Re: Muhammad and hafsa
« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2012, 12:11:41 PM »
This verse has two stories behind it. One which envloves Maria, which is narrated by the unreliable Muhammad ibn Ishaq, and another completely different story which many agree is the true story behind the verse.

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Re: Muhammad and hafsa
« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2012, 04:55:46 PM »
here does it say that muhammad ibn ishaq narrates it, and where does it say thaat hes unreliable.

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Re: Muhammad and hafsa
« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2012, 05:47:29 AM »
I researched it and found that it is mentioned in the Sirat of Muhammad ibn Ishaq.

It is know that he is unreliable as he narrates munkar reports on the Messenger of Allah (may Almighty Allah bless him and grant him peace). Read about him on www.wikipedia.org or any other website

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Re: Muhammad and hafsa
« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2012, 12:01:53 PM »
i believe its also in tabari, im not sure about ibn ishaq though, however in the source i gave (tafsir ibn Kathir) give the isnad as
قال أبو عبد الرحمن النسائي: أخبرنا إبراهيم بن يونس بن محمد، حدثنا أبي، حدثنا حماد بن سلمة عن ثابت عن أنس
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 وقال ابن جرير: حدثني ابن عبد الرحيم البرقي، حدثنا ابن أبي مريم، حدثنا أبو غسان، حدثني زيد بن أسلم

i dont see where ibn ishaq is mentioned.

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Re: Muhammad and hafsa
« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2012, 08:22:00 AM »
It's not mentioned in the Hadith. I found it somewhere else. Muhammad ibn Ishaq said that this is what the verse refers to. 

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Re: Muhammad and hafsa
« Reply #14 on: November 03, 2012, 01:59:49 PM »
Did he right a tafsir, because that's where most people did it. Or he maybe out it in his prophetic biography (The prophettic biograohy of the son of Issac/Sirat ibn Ishaq)
Im assuming we're talking about the same guy, right.
if its thhis guy then i know why he's weak, however if its another, than can you give me a source on why he's weak