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Bukhari Volume 9 Book 87 Number 111. Suicide??????
« on: November 21, 2012, 12:23:22 PM »
'....................But after a few days Waraqa died and the Divine Inspiration was also paused for a while and the Prophet became so sad as we have heard that he intended several times to throw himself from the tops of high mountains and every time he went up the top of a mountain in order to throw himself down, Gabriel would appear before him and say, "O Muhammad! You are indeed Allah's Apostle in truth" whereupon his heart would become quiet and he would calm down and would return home. And whenever the period of the coming of the inspiration used to become long, he would do as before, but when he used to reach the top of a mountain, Gabriel would appear before him and say to him what he had said before. (Ibn 'Abbas said regarding the meaning of: 'He it is that Cleaves the daybreak (from the darkness)' (6.96) that Al-Asbah. means the light of the sun during the day and the light of the moon at night).'

How could the Prophet PBUH want to commit suicide? Shias use this as a stick to beat us with. Can someone clarify this?

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Re: Bukhari Volume 9 Book 87 Number 111. Suicide??????
« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2012, 05:01:48 AM »
As-Salamu `Alaykum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh akhi,
All thanks and praises are due to Allah, Lord of the Universe, and many prayers and much blessings be upon His Beloved Prophet and slave, Muhammad, and his family and friends altogether.
This happened shortly after Prophet Muhammad (may Almighty Allah bless him and grant him peace) revealed his revelation. Read this Hadith:  A'isha, the wife of the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him), reported: "The first (form) with which was started the revelation to the Messenger of Allah was the true vision in sleep. And he did not see any vision but it came like the bright gleam of dawn. Thenceforth solitude became dear to him and he used to seclude himself in the cave of Hira', where he would engage in tahannuth (and that is a worship for a number of nights) before returning to his family and getting provisions again for this purpose. He would then return to Khadija and take provisions for a like period, till Truth came upon him while he was in the cave of Hira'. There came to him the angel and said: Recite, to which he replied: I am not lettered. He took hold of me [the Apostle said] and pressed me, till I was hard pressed; thereafter he let me off and said: Recite. I said: I am not lettered. He then again took hold of me and pressed me for the second time till I was hard pressed and then let me off and said: Recite, to which I replied: I am not lettered. He took hold of me and pressed me for the third time, till I was hard pressed and then let me go and said: Recite in the name of your Lord Who created, created man from a clot of blood. Recite. And your most bountiful Lord is He Who taught the use of pen, taught man what he knew not (al-Qur'an, xcvi. 1-4). Then the Prophet returned therewith, his heart was trembling, and he went to Khadija and said: Wrap me up, wrap me up! So they wrapped him till the fear had left him. He then said to Khadija: O Khadija! what has happened to me? and he informed her of the happening, saying: I fear for myself. She replied: It can't be. Be happy. I swear by Allah that He shall never humiliate you. By Allah, you join ties of relationship, you speak the truth, you bear people's burden, you help the destitute, you entertain guests, and you help against the vicissitudes which affect people. Khadija then took him to Waraqa b. Naufal b. Asad b. 'Abd al-'Uzza, and he was the son of Khadija's uncle, i.e., the brother of her father. And he was the man who had embraced Christianity in the Days of Ignorance (i. e. before Islam) and he used to write books in Arabic and, therefore, wrote Injil in Arabic as God willed that he should write. He was very old and had become blind Khadija said to him: O uncle! listen to the son of your brother. Waraqa b. Naufal said: O my nephew! what did you see? The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him), then, informed him what he had seen, and Waraqa said to him: It is namus that God sent down to Musa. Would that I were then (during your prophetic career) a young man. Would that I might be alive when your people would expel you! The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: Will they drive me out? Waraqa said: Yes. Never came a man with a like of what you have brought but met hostilities. If I see your day I shall help you wholeheartedly."

He was scared and felt lonely in life and did not know what to do. Whenever he would attempt to kill himself, the Prophet of Allah (may Almighty Allah bless him and grant him peace) would see the Archangel Gabriel (peace and blessings be upon him) and change his mind. This was before the Prophet of Allah (may Almighty Allah bless him and grant him peace) even received Suratul-Fatiha if I am not mistaken, and way before suicide was made unlawful. He probably attempted to do it because it is part of human nature; when somebody feels terrified and insecure all the time he attempts to kill himself. It probably was not something big at that time as the people did not even have religion and did all sorts of sins openly.

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Re: Bukhari Volume 9 Book 87 Number 111. Suicide??????
« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2012, 05:11:47 AM »
As for the Shias; akhi, I seriously don't know what is the matter with us Muslims. Allah, the Almighty and Exalted, tells us in the Glorious Qur'an that the believers are brothers and should make reconciliation between one another. And in the preceding verse, tells us what to do if two sects of believers fight. "And if two factions among the believers should fight, then make settlement between the two. But if one of them oppresses the other, then fight against the one that oppresses until it returns to the ordinance of Allah . And if it returns, then make settlement between them in justice and act justly. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly. The believers are but brothers, so make settlement between your brothers. And fear Allah that you may receive mercy." [49:9-10]

How many times does Allah, the Most Glorified and Exalted, warn us in the Glorious Qur'an about making sects in religion? There were no sects at the time of the Messenger of Allah (may Almighty Allah bless him and grant him peace), then why should there be sects nowadays? If somebody asks you 'what Muslim are you,' answer them by saying you are a Muslim; nothing more, nothing less. Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLIDJuFrtag&feature=youtube_gdata_player. Even if they do some innovations, we must advise them and never oppose our Muslim brothers.

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Re: Bukhari Volume 9 Book 87 Number 111. Suicide??????
« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2012, 10:31:50 AM »
Thanks so much for the reply ramzi. Id like to ask a further 2 questions...
1. Did Waraqa become muslim?
and 2. Wouldnt your blood boil if you saw shias badmouthing people such as aishah, Abu bakr PBUT etc and saying we are highly disrespectful when we say the prophets were infallible in conveying the message and saved from cimmitting major sins but they were still human in normal matters.
Once again thanks ramzi...i can always rely on you :P

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Re: Bukhari Volume 9 Book 87 Number 111. Suicide??????
« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2012, 11:57:18 AM »
'....................But after a few days Waraqa died and the Divine Inspiration was also paused for a while and the Prophet became so sad as we have heard that he intended several times to throw himself from the tops of high mountains and every time he went up the top of a mountain in order to throw himself down, Gabriel would appear before him and say, "O Muhammad! You are indeed Allah's Apostle in truth" whereupon his heart would become quiet and he would calm down and would return home. And whenever the period of the coming of the inspiration used to become long, he would do as before, but when he used to reach the top of a mountain, Gabriel would appear before him and say to him what he had said before. (Ibn 'Abbas said regarding the meaning of: 'He it is that Cleaves the daybreak (from the darkness)' (6.96) that Al-Asbah. means the light of the sun during the day and the light of the moon at night).'

How could the Prophet PBUH want to commit suicide? Shias use this as a stick to beat us with. Can someone clarify this?


http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/does_prophet_muhammad_s_contemplation_of_suicide_disprove_his_prophet_hood__assuming_he_did__
«We were the lowest of all people and then Allah gave us glory by Islam, and if we seek glory in anything other that what Allah has given us, Allah will disgrace us.» Umar ibn Khattab

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Re: Bukhari Volume 9 Book 87 Number 111. Suicide??????
« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2012, 12:29:25 PM »
Thanks so much for the reply ramzi. Id like to ask a further 2 questions...
1. Did Waraqa become muslim?
and 2. Wouldnt your blood boil if you saw shias badmouthing people such as aishah, Abu bakr PBUT etc and saying we are highly disrespectful when we say the prophets were infallible in conveying the message and saved from cimmitting major sins but they were still human in normal matters.
Once again thanks ramzi...i can always rely on you :P

Do you know that Qur'an says that Allah was/is with Abu Bakr (ra)? 9:40 If you do not aid the Prophet - Allah has already aided him when those who disbelieved had driven him out [of Makkah] as one of two, when they were in the cave and he said to his companion, "Do not grieve; indeed Allah is with us." And Allah sent down his tranquillity upon him and supported him with angels you did not see and made the word of those who disbelieved the lowest, while the word of Allah - that is the highest. And Allah is Exalted in Might and Wise.

Even Shias accept that the 'he' is Muhammad (P) and the companion is Abu Bakr (ra). So what does it say? "indeed Allah is with us". With whom? With Muhammad (P) and Abu Bakr (ra). With whom? "Indeed, Allah is with those who fear Him and those who are doers of good." (16:128)

What about first, the answer is likely, no, since "But after a few days Waraqa died".
«We were the lowest of all people and then Allah gave us glory by Islam, and if we seek glory in anything other that what Allah has given us, Allah will disgrace us.» Umar ibn Khattab

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Re: Bukhari Volume 9 Book 87 Number 111. Suicide??????
« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2012, 02:08:25 PM »
Waraqa pledged to help the Prophet of Allah (may Almighty Allah bless him and grant him peace) as much as he could and might have been a Muslim if he lived longer but he died. Prophet Muhmmad (may Almighty Allah bless him and grant him peace) just became a messenger; it was not even showed to him what he had to do exactly. I don't know if anybody became a Muslim at that time period or if Islam was being preached.
There are Shias, like some Sunnis even, who are curropt, and others use their common sense and are good with their brothers.

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Re: Bukhari Volume 9 Book 87 Number 111. Suicide??????
« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2012, 03:24:21 PM »
Thank you two for your replies. So will Waraqa be punished in the fire or was he a pure christian?

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Re: Bukhari Volume 9 Book 87 Number 111. Suicide??????
« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2012, 08:03:29 AM »
Thank you two for your replies. So will Waraqa be punished in the fire or was he a pure christian?
3:199 And indeed, among the People of the Scripture are those who believe in Allah and what was revealed to you and what was revealed to them, [being] humbly submissive to Allah . They do not exchange the verses of Allah for a small price. Those will have their reward with their Lord. Indeed, Allah is swift in account.
«We were the lowest of all people and then Allah gave us glory by Islam, and if we seek glory in anything other that what Allah has given us, Allah will disgrace us.» Umar ibn Khattab

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Re: Bukhari Volume 9 Book 87 Number 111. Suicide??????
« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2012, 09:43:36 AM »
Ah thanks overture. :)

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Re: Bukhari Volume 9 Book 87 Number 111. Suicide??????
« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2012, 11:14:29 AM »
Allah, the Most Glorified and Exalted, is indeed without a doubt the Most Merciful. Those who were from amongst the People of the Scripture who lived before Prophet Muhammad (may Almighty Allah bless him and grant him peace) and those people who never heard about Islam will be judged by Almighty Allah a different punishment, otherwise Almighty Allah would not be fair. In addition, show me the verse from the Glorious Qur'an or Hadith in which states that all Christians and Jews are going to Hell. There is a Hadith that says that any Jew or Christian that hears of the message of the Prophet of Allah (may Almighty Allah bless him and grant him peace) and rejects it will go to Hell, but Waraqa, as we mentioned, pledged to help him but died. In addition, I don't know if by this time Prophet Muhammad (may Almighty Allah bless him and grant him peace) was commanded to preach Islam yet and I'm certain he did not say this Hadith until years of Prophethood passed. 'In Sha' Allah this helps. As Final Overture showed you, Almighty Allah states that there are Jews and Christians who will enter Paradise. Note that not all Muslims are going to Heaven and that not all Jews and Christians are going to taste the torment of Hell.

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Re: Bukhari Volume 9 Book 87 Number 111. Suicide??????
« Reply #11 on: November 23, 2012, 01:05:12 PM »
Thanks for claryfying :D

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Re: Bukhari Volume 9 Book 87 Number 111. Suicide??????
« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2012, 02:28:06 PM »
Great. Now clear the rest. Calling me a kaafir is a serious accusation. Now finish what you started.

sahih muslim book 008 hadith no 3428
al muwatta, book 30, hadith No 30.2.12
sahih al-bukhari, volume 1, book 8, hadith no 360
sahih al bukhari volume 009, book 087, hadith 111
sahih al-bukhari, volume 4, book 53, hadith no 400
sahih muslim, book 1, hadith no 0398
sahih muslim, book 004 hadith no 2130
sahih al bukhari, volume 2, book 23, hadith 423
sahih muslim, book 3, hadith 0669
sahih muslim, book 009, hadith 3506
sahih muslim book 032, hadith 628
sahih al bukhari volume 4, book 53, hadith 324

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Re: Bukhari Volume 9 Book 87 Number 111. Suicide??????
« Reply #13 on: December 17, 2012, 02:38:31 PM »
Great. Now clear the rest. Calling me a kaafir is a serious accusation. Now finish what you started.

sahih muslim book 008 hadith no 3428
al muwatta, book 30, hadith No 30.2.12
sahih al-bukhari, volume 1, book 8, hadith no 360
sahih al bukhari volume 009, book 087, hadith 111
sahih al-bukhari, volume 4, book 53, hadith no 400
sahih muslim, book 1, hadith no 0398
sahih muslim, book 004 hadith no 2130
sahih al bukhari, volume 2, book 23, hadith 423
sahih muslim, book 3, hadith 0669
sahih muslim, book 009, hadith 3506
sahih muslim book 032, hadith 628
sahih al bukhari volume 4, book 53, hadith 324
Who called you a kafir? Ramzi even said we shoild be in a brotherhood.