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Offline zulfiqarchucknorris

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« on: December 18, 2012, 09:55:26 AM »
Peace
Dear Osama Abdullah
in your apostasy article you should include the hadith in which it says:
"A believer should be killed except for 3 reasons, murder, adultery (which is impossible to prove), and leaving the muslims and the community" (it might vary in word but the meaning is the same)
this shows that peaceful apostates cant be killed .
I dont remember the source of this hadith, but i remember it exists 100%.

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Re: apostasy
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2012, 09:47:24 AM »
When I mean that apostates cant be killed, i mean it says
"leaving islam And the community.
this shows that apostasy alone doesn't mean death, but apostaasy and betrayel of the community, like treason.
I hope you got the message.
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Re: apostasy
« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2012, 10:59:01 AM »
Did the Prophet PBUH actually kill apostates?

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Re: apostasy
« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2012, 03:10:41 PM »
There is not a single hadith in which the prophet killed an apostate for simply being an apostate. He killed a few postates because those apostates killed a camel and the Shepard of the camel.

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Re: apostasy
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2012, 04:21:50 PM »
There is not a single hadith in which the prophet killed an apostate for simply being an apostate. He killed a few postates because those apostates killed a camel and the Shepard of the camel.
Ah, i heard about that. So what about The Ridda Wars?

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« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2012, 09:16:21 AM »
during the ridda wars, or wars of apostasy/rebellion, the apostates rebelledattacked Medina first, that is why umar was afraid to let osama bin zaid's army leave, even Usama himself was nervous, of letting the army leave. The only reason they survived was that abu bakr organised a defense, mainly from the remaining tribes and banu hashim, an apostate army was at Dhu Hussa and another at Dhu Qissa. They were ready to attack medina from there.
read the wikipedia article
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ridda_wars
In fact, you bring up a good point, and i think Mr. Osama Abdullah should put this fact in his article as well.

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Re: apostasy
« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2012, 09:30:53 AM »
Thanks zulfiqar

Offline RamziBinNabil

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Re: apostasy
« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2012, 12:27:57 PM »
What about the six or ten Prophet Muhammad (may Almighty Allah bless him and grant him peace) ordered to be killed after the conquest of Mecca?

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« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2012, 02:29:26 PM »
http://www.answering-christianity.com/umar/meccan10_rebuttal.htm
Our friends in answering christianity have looked into this.

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« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2012, 03:03:03 PM »

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Re: apostasy
« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2012, 04:04:17 PM »
Also check this article (Brother Ehteshaam Gulam, in this article has refuted most of the allegations against the messanger (PBUH), including the meccan killings)
http://www.answering-christian-claims.com/False_Stories_About_Prophet_Muhammad.html
I think I posted more than enough links for you to see the truth about the "Killings" of the meccan 10.

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Re: apostasy
« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2012, 04:55:51 PM »
Also check this article (Brother Ehteshaam Gulam, in this article has refuted most of the allegations against the messanger (PBUH), including the meccan killings)
http://www.answering-christian-claims.com/False_Stories_About_Prophet_Muhammad.html
I think I posted more than enough links for you to see the truth about the "Killings" of the meccan 10.
Yup. You definitely have. :D

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Re: apostasy
« Reply #12 on: December 21, 2012, 05:35:16 PM »
But one more couldn't hurt, lol.
But just to be clear this isn't about the "meccan 10" but about apostsy in general,
http://www.loonwatch.com/2009/09/apostasy/
a great article written by the possibly non muslim Danios