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Offline Tanveer

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Evolution
« on: December 16, 2012, 04:10:14 pm »
People argue that 'theistic evolution' that is evolution which is powered by Allah is compatible with Islam. Is this wishful thinking? If it was true wouldnt that contradict the Adam and Eve story. You have probably guessed that im in that phase where you begin to question everything you believe (I even had a comedy moment when i quetioned my sexuality) so if i repeat questions which have already been answered, forgive me.

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Re: Evolution
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2012, 11:37:20 am »
Already answered. Adam was created in heaven, and not on Earth. When he was kicked out of heaven, what really happened was his soul was 'killed' in heaven then he was spawned on Earth with: Sunlight, montmorillonite clay crystals, and water. All three were mentioned specifically in the Qur'an.

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Re: Evolution
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2012, 11:40:54 am »
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When he was kicked out of heaven

Woe to you ! How dare you talk in such an improper way about a prophet of God and our father ?! Behave !

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what really happened was his soul was 'killed' in heaven then he was spawned on Earth with: Sunlight, montmorillonite clay crystals, and water. All three were mentioned specifically in the Qur'an.

What on Earth are you saying ?! That's nowhere in Quran at all ! If it's in the book of Christians then we don't take it . Quran is the judge for us .

As for the question , no . Evolution is nowhere mentioned in Quran and it is NOT correct . It was based on fabrications and lies . If it wasn't for the bias of the media , evolution would have remained a fairy tale .
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Re: Evolution
« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2012, 12:35:05 pm »
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When he was kicked out of heaven

Woe to you ! How dare you talk in such an improper way about a prophet of God and our father ?! Behave !

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what really happened was his soul was 'killed' in heaven then he was spawned on Earth with: Sunlight, montmorillonite clay crystals, and water. All three were mentioned specifically in the Qur'an.

What on Earth are you saying ?! That's nowhere in Quran at all ! If it's in the book of Christians then we don't take it . Quran is the judge for us .

As for the question , no . Evolution is nowhere mentioned in Quran and it is NOT correct . It was based on fabrications and lies . If it wasn't for the bias of the media , evolution would have remained a fairy tale .

Hmmmm...why do i have a feeling TIOOG he is dishonest? I could be wrong.
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Re: Evolution
« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2012, 01:07:56 pm »
Don't worry guys. He's just unhappy that I pwnd him in a debate already. Evolution is a fact of nature. He just had trouble going through high school, that's all.

The Qur'an has mentioned it I even gave him verses. He doesn't know that being a Muslim requires a brain, otherwise you're better off following that absurd piece of horse turd that they call the bible (or should I say, buy bull?).

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Re: Evolution
« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2012, 01:11:55 pm »
What is your problem?

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Re: Evolution
« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2012, 05:46:24 am »
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"Don't worry guys. He's just unhappy that I pwnd him in a debate already"

You should pay more attention . I never debated you . You mistook me for someone else .

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" Evolution is a fact of nature. He just had trouble going through high school, that's all."

False . Evolution is 100% a fairy tale and it doesn't exist in Quran . You feel degraded and so you want to make Quran match this lie . But Quran doesn't say a thing about it at all .

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"otherwise you're better off following that ********** **************** that they call the bible "

Behave ! Do not insult other people's religions .

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Re: Evolution
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2012, 01:45:00 pm »

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Re: Evolution
« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2012, 12:39:41 pm »
As-Salamu `Alaykum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh,
Humans evolved from humans, not apes. All creatures evolved from the same creature but of different size and shape. You don't see a fly turning into a dragonfly for instance. And Darwinism is regarded as a misconception by many scientists.

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Re: Evolution
« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2012, 03:34:46 pm »
As-Salamu `Alaykum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh,
Humans evolved from humans, not apes. All creatures evolved from the same creature but of different size and shape. You don't see a fly turning into a dragonfly for instance. And Darwinism is regarded as a misconception by many scientists.
Hi Ramzi.
Thank you very much for your input. If its not too much trouble is it possible you could direct me to some articles of scientists citing reasons as to why they left? I did a google search and most of the articles are just general.bOut of interest, did the darwin apologists start yapping about those scientists coming from religious backgrounds?

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Re: Evolution
« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2012, 08:47:36 pm »
As-Salamu `Alaykum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh,
Humans evolved from humans, not apes. All creatures evolved from the same creature but of different size and shape. You don't see a fly turning into a dragonfly for instance. And Darwinism is regarded as a misconception by many scientists.

I was trying to tell the forum users here this for a loooong time. I don't know how you did it in a couple of sentences.

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Re: Evolution
« Reply #11 on: December 22, 2012, 01:35:10 am »
As-Salamu `Alaykum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh akhi,
Brother Tanveer I just used some logic. But I know that a writer with the pen-name Harun Yahya, the author of over 1,000 Islamic books, dedicates a special chapter at the end of every one of his books answering the misconception of Darwinism. 'In Shaa' Allah I'll try to send you a link.

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Re: Evolution
« Reply #12 on: May 19, 2013, 02:26:16 pm »
As-salamu Alaykum,

Islam does not deny neither accept the theory of Evolution. In Islam Allah (swt) is known as Al-Bari (the evolver). In the Quran, Allah shows how the earth and the heavens was one and how he has evolved them into the earth and the heavens. Allah shows how he evolved eve from Adam (Adam's rib). Allah also shows how all creatures are created from water (does that mean they were created in the same method?-yes)

We cannot accept that Humans came from monkeys though. Adam was created miraculously in heaven. But one may argue why are there so many similarities among humans and animals. Well as an architect uses the same methods and tools to make different buildings, Allah also used the same methods to make different creatures. Think about it, Earth has a specific set of elements--that means that creation will contain those elements and will be formed from those elements. Just as an architect has a specific set of tools, his method of creation of different buildings will be the same.

Think about it, If God created Adam and had to banish him from heaven, where is he going to put Adam? In mars? No, he will put Adam in a place in which he can live. And this place that Adam lives will require Adam to breathe in Oxygen and other life functions. Well since this Earth allows Adam to breathe oxygen, then why shouldn't the animals there also breathe oxygen. They are both living in the same environment, so they have the same life functions. Now for some people to say that Adam was therefore created from those creatures is absurd. If Adam and those creatures were to exist in the same environment, then they would have close anatomies/physiologies (so they utilize the environments the same way). Even with the evidence of evolution, there are so many missing links. The reason they say this is because it is easy to understand and makes sense. Yes, we know that neanderthals for example once existed. But did you forget that Allah said that he created creatures in Earth and then he wiped them out.

I hope I answered your questions.

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Re: Evolution
« Reply #13 on: May 19, 2013, 02:47:58 pm »
Great analogy Bro/Sis (?) mclinkin94. :)

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Re: Evolution
« Reply #14 on: May 27, 2013, 11:55:42 am »
Evolution is a subject that mainstream atheists use against religion. I believe it is an extremely important subject when it comes to Islam.

There is an article here that talks about how evolution (from lesser beings) could have been Allah's (swt) method of human creation:

http://www.aljazeerah.info/Islamic%20Editorials/2007/October/Creation%20and%20Evolution%20in%20the%20Holy%20Qur%27an%20By%20Hassan%20El-Najjar.htm

I'd like to know what you think.

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Re: Evolution
« Reply #15 on: May 27, 2013, 01:23:00 pm »
Evolution is a subject that mainstream atheists use against religion. I believe it is an extremely important subject when it comes to Islam.

There is an article here that talks about how evolution (from lesser beings) could have been Allah's (swt) method of human creation:

http://www.aljazeerah.info/Islamic%20Editorials/2007/October/Creation%20and%20Evolution%20in%20the%20Holy%20Qur%27an%20By%20Hassan%20El-Najjar.htm

I'd like to know what you think.
I always find such topics confusing so I dont think you'll get anything useful from me xD

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Re: Evolution
« Reply #16 on: May 27, 2013, 05:44:55 pm »
Evolution is a subject that mainstream atheists use against religion. I believe it is an extremely important subject when it comes to Islam.

There is an article here that talks about how evolution (from lesser beings) could have been Allah's (swt) method of human creation:

http://www.aljazeerah.info/Islamic%20Editorials/2007/October/Creation%20and%20Evolution%20in%20the%20Holy%20Qur%27an%20By%20Hassan%20El-Najjar.htm

I'd like to know what you think.
Read this about basic confusing terms and the fallacies used by pseudoscientific atheists to propagate their rubbish of microbe-to-man evolution:
http://evolutiondismantled.com/evolution
(especially: Evolution: That Slippery Little Word & The Fallacy of Equivocation)
http://evolutionfactormyth.blogspot.com/
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