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Offline zulfiqarchucknorris

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« on: December 20, 2012, 03:25:36 PM »
I found some hadith about the prophet drinking wine.
http://islaminitsownwords.blogspot.com/2009/04/did-muhammad-ever-drink-alcohol.html
Can someone explain this?
It also says that alcohol is not forbidden in islam.

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Re: Wine
« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2012, 03:12:43 AM »
Saudis drink alcohol all the time. They say they can drink, but not eat pork. I swear...

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Re: Wine
« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2012, 04:51:09 AM »
"Saudis drink alcohol all the time. They say they can drink, but not eat pork. I swear..."

You need to watch your words . The worst part is that you dare and swear ! I live among Saudis . Nobody says so . It is even a crime to sell or drink alcohol . And the one who does it is punished . So if it is just one or two guys who told you so then that doesn't mean all of them say so .

As for the claim of that guy , lol XD . How hilarious ! Does he even know what is wine in Arabic ? Now , I'm not sure what exactly is wine in their culture . But in Islam , there are two kinds of wine (Nabeeth) a kind that we call (Khamr) because it kills consciousness , and a kind that doesn't . The prophet clearly drank the type that doesn't . And if he believes else then he must bring evidence . He just saw something and immediately thought of bad things . That's how they are raised "Even if a story says that the prophet of Muslims did a good thing , think of it as an evil thing" If the prophet have defended a little child from a mad dog and hit the dog , they would go saying "The prophet of Muslims hit a poor dog !" Do you see what I mean ?

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Re: Wine
« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2012, 09:08:24 AM »
OK, first, im a saudi myself, i swear though, MANY saudis drink wine, yes it is illegal, but many saudis do drink it inside there homes.
2nd according to the link the wine was intoxicated because the prophet had it say in sahih muslim amolng others, but dont worry i found the answer in http://islamic-replies.ucoz.com/Rebut_WikiIslam_Drank_Wine_Ablution.html

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Re: Wine
« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2012, 10:17:03 AM »
The Hadith says prophet Mohammad peace and blessing of God be upon him drank Nabeeth.

Nabeeth is not wine.

Nabeeth comes from the root Na Ba Tha which means to leave.

Nabeeth means water that you leave herbs, dates, honey ..etc in it for few hours.

For example the prophet used to add ginger to the water in the morning and leave it to drink it in the evening.

The prophet didn’t say : Make it intoxicated. But he said: would you have covered it. The translations are wrong.

And this is his instructions actually to all types of food and drinks, that is to cover them and not to leave them exposed.

It is very obvious that this hate site is the work of many nonbelievers, they tried to make it look like a  moslem woman  convert  is exposing Islam and she is so much fascinated of the trinity doctrine.

Please brothers don’t promote these sites that are full of lies and hate by putting their links.

Thanks

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Re: Wine
« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2012, 02:35:07 PM »
Peace
Dont worry, i found the answers i was hoping for, thats why i posted the new link.

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Re: Wine
« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2012, 03:48:53 PM »
Sahih Muslim > The Book of Drinks (Kitab Al-Ashriba) - كتاب الأشربة > Hadith

Jabir b 'Abdullah reported:
We were with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and he asked for water. A person said: Allah's Messenger, may we not give you Nabidh to drink? He (the Holy Prophet) said: Yes (you may). He (the narrator) said: Then that person went out speedily and brought a cup containing Nabidh, whereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Why did you not cover it? - even if it is with a wood. He said that then he drank it.

حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو بَكْرِ بْنُ أَبِي شَيْبَةَ، وَأَبُو كُرَيْبٍ - وَاللَّفْظُ لأَبِي كُرَيْبٍ - قَالاَ حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو مُعَاوِيَةَ، عَنِ الأَعْمَشِ، عَنْ أَبِي صَالِحٍ، عَنْ جَابِرِ بْنِ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ، قَالَ كُنَّا مَعَ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم فَاسْتَسْقَى فَقَالَ رَجُلٌ يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ أَلاَ نَسْقِيكَ نَبِيذًا فَقَالَ ‏"‏ بَلَى ‏"‏ ‏.‏ قَالَ فَخَرَجَ الرَّجُلُ يَسْعَى فَجَاءَ بِقَدَحٍ فِيهِ نَبِيذٌ فَقَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏"‏ أَلاَّ خَمَّرْتَهُ وَلَوْ تَعْرُضُ عَلَيْهِ عُودًا ‏"‏ ‏.‏ قَالَ فَشَرِبَ ‏.‏

USC-MSA web (English) reference    : Book 23, Hadith 4989
Arabic reference    : Book 37, Hadith 5362
http://sunnah.com/urn/353970
The above is what's called:Hadith #3753 in all anti-islamic sites

Below is fatwah at http://www.mathabah.org/20100127122/general-food-a-drink-atimah/did-the-prophet-muhammads-drink-wine.html
Answered by Mufti Muhammad Zakariyya Panchbhaya

Question:

A friend of mine sent me an e-mail which I wanted to get feedback from you. Apparently it suggests that the Prophet Muhammad drank wine. Here is his email:

 في شرب النبيذ وتخمير الإناء الأشربة صحيح مسلم حدثنا ‏ ‏أبو بكر بن أبي شيبة ‏ ‏وأبو كريب ‏ ‏واللفظ ‏ ‏لأبي كريب ‏ ‏قالا حدثنا ‏ ‏أبو معاوية ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏الأعمش ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏أبي صالح ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏جابر بن عبد الله ‏ ‏قال ‏ ‏كنا مع رسول الله ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏فاستسقى فقال رجل يا رسول الله ألا ‏ ‏نسقيك ‏ ‏نبيذا ‏ ‏فقال بلى قال فخرج الرجل ‏ ‏يسعى فجاء ‏ ‏بقدح ‏ ‏فيه ‏ ‏نبيذ ‏ ‏فقال رسول الله ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏ألا ‏ ‏خمرته ‏ ‏ولو ‏ ‏تعرض عليه عودا ‏ ‏قال فشرب ‏

Sahih Muslim: "Drinks, Drinking wine and fermentation" Narrated by Gaber bin Abdullah: We were with the messenger of Allah, PBUH and he asked for a drink. One of his men said: "Oh Messenger of Allah, Can we offer you wine to drink?" He said Yes. He (Gaber) went out looking for the drink and came back with a cup of wine. The messenger (Peace Be Upon him) asked:”Have you fermented it, even with one piece of ferment?” He (Gaber) said "yes" and he (Muhammad) drank. Sahih Muslim - Hadith #3753,

Also

 حدثنا ‏ ‏يحيى بن إسحاق ‏ ‏حدثنا ‏ ‏ابن لهيعة ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏قيس بن الحجاج ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏حنش الصنعاني ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏ابن عباس ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏عبد الله بن مسعود ‏ ‏رضي الله عنهما ‏ ‏أنه كان مع رسول الله ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏ليلة الجن فقال له النبي ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏يا ‏ ‏عبد الله ‏ ‏أمعك ماء قال معي ‏ ‏نبيذ ‏ ‏في ‏ ‏إداوة ‏ ‏فقال اصبب علي فتوضأ قال فقال النبي ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏يا ‏ ‏عبد الله بن مسعود ‏ ‏شراب وطهور ‏

Narrated by Abdullah bin Masoud (May God be pleased with him): He was with the Messenger of Allah peace be upon him on the night of the jinn when he asked him if he had water. He answered that he had wine in a pot. Mohammed said: Pour me some to do ablution and he did. [The] Prophet peace be upon him [said]: "O Abdullah bin Masood it is a drink and a purifier." Musnad Ahmad - Hadith #3594,

Answer

As-Salaamu 'Alaikum Wa Rahmatullaahi Wa Barakaatuhu

We acknowledge receipt of your query. Our answer is as follows:

On a precautionary note we would like to mention that it is extremely dangerous for one to translate the Ahadith of Rasulullah salallallahu alaihi wasallam without acquiring the required knowledge, one is in need of, as a prerequisite. The Quran and Hadith are the foundations of our religion and one needs to be diligent in their translation and explanation as small errors can sometimes have a dreadful affect.

The statement: “Prophet Muhammad(s) drank wine” is a rather abhorrent statement to make regarding the prophet Muhammad sallallahu alaihi wasallam. The messengers of Allah Ta’aala are sinless and can never act contrary to laws of Allah Ta’aala. Allah Ta’aala has emphatically declared wine to be haraam in the Holy Quran and the Prophet of Allah sallallahu alaihi wasallam voiced the same. How is it then possible that He sallallahu alaihi wasallam can consume wine? (See Holy Quran Surah Maidah verses 90-91)

Furthermore, it is written in the books of sirah (life biography of the Prophet) that on the occasion of m’iraaj (ascension to the heavens) the Prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam was offered wine, water and milk as a drink by Jibreel alaihi salaam (the angel). The prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam chose to drink milk upon which Jibreel alaihi salaam commented: you are rightly guided and your Ummah will be as well. (Seerat ibne Hishaam p: 158)

Even before wine was made unlawful and forbidden to consume, the Prophet of Allah sallallahu alaihi wasallam’s nature was so pure that he abstained from drinking wine.

Negligence and lack of sufficient knowledge sometimes leads a person to make such statements that are contrary to the truth and further yet propelling it to others.

It is incorrect to translate Nabeez as wine. The correct translation of nabeez is that drink which has been sweetened by putting dates, grapes or honey (flavoured water with these items) in it but has not reached the stage where it is fermented and becomes an intoxicant. (Al ta’reefaatul Fiqhiyah pg 225)       

The correct format and translation of the two Ahadith is presented here:

3753 - حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو بَكْرِ بْنُ أَبِي شَيْبَةَ وَأَبُو كُرَيْبٍ وَاللَّفْظُ لِأَبِي كُرَيْبٍ قَالَا حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو مُعَاوِيَةَ عَنْ الْأَعْمَشِ عَنْ أَبِي صَالِحٍ عَنْ جَابِرِ بْنِ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ قَالَ

كُنَّا مَعَ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ فَاسْتَسْقَى فَقَالَ رَجُلٌ يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ أَلَا نَسْقِيكَ نَبِيذًا فَقَالَ بَلَى قَالَ فَخَرَجَ الرَّجُلُ يَسْعَى فَجَاءَ بِقَدَحٍ فِيهِ نَبِيذٌ فَقَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ أَلَّا خَمَّرْتَهُ وَلَوْ تَعْرُضُ عَلَيْهِ عُودًا قَالَ فَشَرِبَ (مسلم)

Jabir ibn Abdullah radhiallahu anhu narrates, we were with the Prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam. The Prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam asked for something to drink. One of the companions asked: O Prophet of Allah, shall we not give you nabeez to drink? The Prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam said yes, why not! This companion left quickly and came back with a cup of nabeez. The Prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam said, why didn’t you cover the cup even though it may have been with a stick. Thereafter he drank from it. 

3594 - حَدَّثَنَا يَحْيَى بْنُ إِسْحَاقَ حَدَّثَنَا ابْنُ لَهِيعَةَ عَنْ قَيْسِ بْنِ الْحَجَّاجِ عَنْ حَنَشٍ الصَّنْعَانِيِّ عَنِ ابْنِ عَبَّاسٍ عَنْ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ بْنِ مَسْعُودٍ رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُمَا

أَنَّهُ كَانَ مَعَ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ لَيْلَةَ الْجِنِّ فَقَالَ لَهُ النَّبِيُّ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ يَا عَبْدَ اللَّهِ أَمَعَكَ مَاءٌ قَالَ مَعِي نَبِيذٌ فِي إِدَاوَةٍ فَقَالَ اصْبُبْ عَلَيَّ فَتَوَضَّأَ قَالَ فَقَالَ النَّبِيُّ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ يَا عَبْدَ اللَّهِ بْنَ مَسْعُودٍ شَرَابٌ وَطَهُورٌ (مسند أحمد)

Abdullah ibn Mas’ood radhiallahu anhu narrates, I was present with the Prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam on the night of jinn (The messenger sallallahu alaihi wasallam visited them to convey the Deen of Allah and propagate the truth). The Prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam asked me: O Abdullah do you have any water? I replied I have some Nabeez in a container. The Prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam instructed me and said: pour the water and he performed ablution. Thereafter He sallallahu alaihi wasallam said, O Abdullah ibn Mas’ood, it is a purifier and a drink.

Once again, I advise one and all to acquire knowledge pertaining to the Deen but carefully and diligently. Muhammad ibn Sireen rahimahullah has said: "Knowledge is the basis of your Deen. So choose carefully who you acquire it from." (Muslim)     

And Allah Knows Best

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Re: Wine
« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2012, 06:30:31 AM »
Look man . If you know a bunch of people drinking wine then that doesn't mean all - or many - Saudis do drink it . Now , I'm not Saudi actually / Bit I'm trying to be honest . From what I see around me , only few people drink wine .

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Re: Wine
« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2012, 10:55:51 AM »
many of the upper class people actually do.
Some of my own family do.

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Re: Wine
« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2012, 10:59:00 AM »
Fine. Saudis don't drink alcohol cause it's illegal. Just like how the Newtown shooter didn't shoot anyone cuz it was illegal. Happy?

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Re: Wine
« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2012, 06:37:40 AM »
I can see that you're still offensive in your language . Anyway , the point is , just because you saw a few people drinking alcohol that doesn't mean many or all of them drink it . Otherwise , you have to bring an evidence . For example , you don't see Saudi Arabia in this list

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/foo_alc_con-food-alcohol-consumption-current

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Re: Wine
« Reply #11 on: May 14, 2013, 02:30:25 PM »
As'salamu Alaikum dear Brothers and Sisters in Islam,

I have responded to this at: http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,704.msg3622.html#msg3622.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Re: Wine
« Reply #12 on: May 15, 2013, 08:37:49 AM »
But alchohol is smuggled in illegaly, and although it is not widespread as in some other countries, it is still a probblem.
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