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Offline adnaanshaikh195

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Re: I think the Kalimah should be changed
« Reply #15 on: January 12, 2013, 08:42:17 am »
I believe you have misunderstood me
what i meant was that allah IS a contraction between those to terms, it is NOT  personal name, however, because Alilah means "the god" and could be refering to one in many gods, people took out the "ee" sound and made it Allah, to refer to the supreme God. thants why arabs say god when the speak english not Allah, because its not a persoanl name for god.
People took the 'ee' sound and made it Allah? What crap are you talking about?
Every muslim says Allah in reference to the creator, but the non muslims use God in reference to the creator.
No-one took any sounds out, the arabic language doesn't work like that. You sound like the Christian pagans who think they understand hebrew and say Allah means curse, just because Ollah means curse in hebrew, it doesn't work like that.

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Re: I think the Kalimah should be changed
« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2013, 08:59:47 am »
Allah is the arabic word for the monotheistic God, usually refers to the supreme deity. If only muslims say allah, then how come arab christians and jews say allah.
If you talk in english say God, if french, say Dieu, if arabic, say allah.

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Re: I think the Kalimah should be changed
« Reply #17 on: January 12, 2013, 09:11:46 am »
Allah is the arabic word for the monotheistic God, usually refers to the supreme deity. If only muslims say allah, then how come arab christians and jews say allah.
If you talk in english say God, if french, say Dieu, if arabic, say allah.
I never said only muslims says Allah.
If i talk in english, I say Allah.
Just don't say nonsense about how it used to be Al-ilah and people removed the ee sound, it just sounds silly.

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Re: I think the Kalimah should be changed
« Reply #18 on: January 12, 2013, 09:20:16 am »
people didnt just remove the "ee" sound, it came with the development of the language, i dont knownthe english term for it, but in arabic its called thigal, we remove a very abnormal sounding sound, or a very strong one, from a word. Alilah is still used to refer to a deity, and could be, but not nessearrly a god, it is sometimes used to refer to one in many gods, but doesnt have to. Allah is just used to refer the supreme God. so the proper translation of Allah would be "The one and only God". When I speak english I say God, when i speak arabic (Im an arab), i say allah. I dont know why some non arabs refer to God as allah when they speak in different languages.

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Re: I think the Kalimah should be changed
« Reply #19 on: January 12, 2013, 09:31:27 am »
people didnt just remove the "ee" sound, it came with the development of the language, i dont knownthe english term for it, but in arabic its called thigal, we remove a very abnormal sounding sound, or a very strong one, from a word. Alilah is still used to refer to a deity, and could be, but not nessearrly a god, it is sometimes used to refer to one in many gods, but doesnt have to. Allah is just used to refer the supreme God. so the proper translation of Allah would be "The one and only God". When I speak english I say God, when i speak arabic (Im an arab), i say allah. I dont know why some non arabs refer to God as allah when they speak in different languages.
Because the primary language for muslims is Arabic, lol...
We are required to recite the Qur'an in arabic during Salaah etc.
And according to islam, anyone who can read and recite the Qur'an in Arabic is a Arab.

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Re: I think the Kalimah should be changed
« Reply #20 on: January 12, 2013, 10:02:56 am »

And according to islam, anyone who can read and recite the Qur'an in Arabic is a Arab.

NO!!!!!!!! where did you hear that.
an Arab is someone who traces his origin to the Arab tribes of the Arabian peninsula and Syrian peninsula. Arabic is used ONLY in salat and recitation of the quran because it is not to change its meaning, and to keep its true meaning alive and not corrupted through translation.
Remember:
"an arab is not superior to a non-arab, nor a non-arab to an arab, nor a black to a whote, nor a white to a black, excet by piety and good action"
-prophet muhammad in his final sermon
acording to musnad ibn hanbal

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Re: I think the Kalimah should be changed
« Reply #21 on: January 12, 2013, 11:17:42 am »
No, there is a Da`if Hadith which says being an Arab is in the tongue, meaning an Arab is one who knows Arabic.

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Re: I think the Kalimah should be changed
« Reply #22 on: January 12, 2013, 11:55:25 am »
A Da'if hadith.
Daif=weak
even the best scholars say that no ruling could come from a weak hadith.
Is that hadith even attributed to the prophet? So hadith, such as some from muwatta malik are not, or was it just some scholar. I know MANY hadith that prophibit chess but none f them are attributed to the prophet, they say that malik said that chess is forbidden
Islam DOESN'T distinguish between race, and arabs are a race ramzi.
Your an arab ramzi because you trace your origin to an arab tribe, not because your muslim or speak arabic.
being an arab means you trace your origins to the arabic tribes of the arabian peninsula and the syrian desert.
Remember what the prophet said in his final sermon.
His companions were called:
Salman al farisi (the Persian) persian=/=arab
Bilal al habashi (the Abyssinian) Abbysinian =/= arab
they were called by those names, because the companions recognised they were not arabs

They were not called arabs because they were NOT arabs.
You could be mistaken the hadith to a statement of a scholar, and nonetheless it is a weak hadith.

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Re: I think the Kalimah should be changed
« Reply #23 on: January 12, 2013, 12:11:17 pm »
Actually none of us are originally Arabs. The original Arabs are `Ad and Thamud only. The rest became Arabs later on. You can look it up. Anyway, you have a point.

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Re: I think the Kalimah should be changed
« Reply #24 on: January 12, 2013, 12:21:23 pm »
We are all Arabs, me and you since youre palestinian-lebanese and im saudi.
Arabs are from Ishmael, decendence of ishmael became the arabs tribes, the tribes of aad and thamud are called perished arabs because they were extinct, although they did live in the same land, they are a different group, . we never BECAME arabs, you cannot "become" an arab, either you are born arab or not, not anyway is better than another.

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Re: I think the Kalimah should be changed
« Reply #25 on: January 12, 2013, 12:53:55 pm »
Check this out brother. http://www.salaam.co.uk/themeofthemonth/february02_index.php?l=4
Check the part about Prophet Ismael (may Almighty Allah bless him and grant him peace).

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Re: I think the Kalimah should be changed
« Reply #26 on: January 12, 2013, 11:48:19 pm »
it does admit that the arabs are decended from ishmael. the "original arabs" or more likely translated into "perished arabs"are extinct, the tribes aad and thamud were wiped out. the Ishmaelites settled in the arabian peninsula, where the "perished arabs" have lived before, and made up the tribes.
remember, since the perished arabs were wiped our, (see the story of hud and salih), all arab tribes were decended from ishmael.

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Re: I think the Kalimah should be changed
« Reply #27 on: January 13, 2013, 12:10:49 am »
Peace
Osama, you didnt post a link
the ancient, "perished" or "lost" arabs are extinct, they were not decended from ishmael, but they were extinct acording to the story of hud and salih.
the modern arabs are descended from qahtan and adnan, who were related to Ishmael.
i know Islam is the truth, why did you mention it?

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Re: I think the Kalimah should be changed
« Reply #28 on: January 13, 2013, 02:08:07 am »
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Peace
Osama, you didnt post a link
the ancient, "perished" or "lost" arabs are extinct, they were not decended from ishmael, but they were extinct acording to the story of hud and salih.
the modern arabs are descended from qahtan and adnan, who were related to Ishmael.
i know Islam is the truth, why did you mention it?

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Re: I think the Kalimah should be changed
« Reply #29 on: January 13, 2013, 08:07:15 am »
Is "the one and only God" Banned?