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« on: January 12, 2013, 09:13:20 am »
In islam, this is the development of the embryo.
Narrated `Abdullah bin Mus'ud:
Allah's Messenger (), the true and truly inspired said, "(The matter of the Creation of) a human being is put together in the womb of the mother in forty days, and then he becomes a clot of thick blood for a similar period, and then a piece of flesh for a similar period. Then Allah sends an angel who is ordered to write four things. He is ordered to write down his (i.e. the new creature's) deeds, his livelihood, his (date of) death, and whether he will be blessed or wretched (in religion). Then the soul is breathed into him. So, a man amongst you may do (good deeds till there is only a cubit between him and Paradise and then what has been written for him decides his behavior and he starts doing (evil) deeds characteristic of the people of the (Hell) Fire. And similarly a man amongst you may do (evil) deeds till there is only a cubit between him and the (Hell) Fire, and then what has been written for him decides his behavior, and he starts doing deeds characteristic of the people of Paradise."

حَدَّثَنَا الْحَسَنُ بْنُ الرَّبِيعِ، حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو الأَحْوَصِ، عَنِ الأَعْمَشِ، عَنْ زَيْدِ بْنِ وَهْبٍ، قَالَ عَبْدُ اللَّهِ حَدَّثَنَا رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم وَهْوَ الصَّادِقُ الْمَصْدُوقُ قَالَ ‏ "‏ إِنَّ أَحَدَكُمْ يُجْمَعُ خَلْقُهُ فِي بَطْنِ أُمِّهِ أَرْبَعِينَ يَوْمًا، ثُمَّ يَكُونُ عَلَقَةً مِثْلَ ذَلِكَ، ثُمَّ يَكُونُ مُضْغَةً مِثْلَ ذَلِكَ، ثُمَّ يَبْعَثُ اللَّهُ مَلَكًا، فَيُؤْمَرُ بِأَرْبَعِ كَلِمَاتٍ، وَيُقَالُ لَهُ اكْتُبْ عَمَلَهُ وَرِزْقَهُ وَأَجَلَهُ وَشَقِيٌّ أَوْ سَعِيدٌ‏.‏ ثُمَّ يُنْفَخُ فِيهِ الرُّوحُ، فَإِنَّ الرَّجُلَ مِنْكُمْ لَيَعْمَلُ حَتَّى مَا يَكُونُ بَيْنَهُ وَبَيْنَ الْجَنَّةِ إِلاَّ ذِرَاعٌ، فَيَسْبِقُ عَلَيْهِ كِتَابُهُ، فَيَعْمَلُ بِعَمَلِ أَهْلِ النَّارِ، وَيَعْمَلُ حَتَّى مَا يَكُونُ بَيْنَهُ وَبَيْنَ النَّارِ إِلاَّ ذِرَاعٌ، فَيَسْبِقُ عَلَيْهِ الْكِتَابُ، فَيَعْمَلُ بِعَمَلِ أَهْلِ الْجَنَّةِ ‏"‏‏.‏

Reference    : Sahih al-Bukhari 3208
In-book reference    : Book 59, Hadith 19

is this true, is there any proof of it?
links?

Also i heard that according to islam, sperm generates at the spine, but this is not is this true fact, is their any proof?
From a debate, Osama Abdullah said this is because if the spine is damaged, you cannot have kids, so there is a connection. however, we should also note that there IS a connection because the spine is part of the nervous system so by that logic, serm scould generate at the neck or brain.
Someone please explain

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Re: embyro and sperm
« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2013, 09:34:23 am »
In islam, this is the development of the embryo.
Narrated `Abdullah bin Mus'ud:
Allah's Messenger (), the true and truly inspired said, "(The matter of the Creation of) a human being is put together in the womb of the mother in forty days, and then he becomes a clot of thick blood for a similar period, and then a piece of flesh for a similar period. Then Allah sends an angel who is ordered to write four things. He is ordered to write down his (i.e. the new creature's) deeds, his livelihood, his (date of) death, and whether he will be blessed or wretched (in religion). Then the soul is breathed into him. So, a man amongst you may do (good deeds till there is only a cubit between him and Paradise and then what has been written for him decides his behavior and he starts doing (evil) deeds characteristic of the people of the (Hell) Fire. And similarly a man amongst you may do (evil) deeds till there is only a cubit between him and the (Hell) Fire, and then what has been written for him decides his behavior, and he starts doing deeds characteristic of the people of Paradise."

حَدَّثَنَا الْحَسَنُ بْنُ الرَّبِيعِ، حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو الأَحْوَصِ، عَنِ الأَعْمَشِ، عَنْ زَيْدِ بْنِ وَهْبٍ، قَالَ عَبْدُ اللَّهِ حَدَّثَنَا رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم وَهْوَ الصَّادِقُ الْمَصْدُوقُ قَالَ ‏ "‏ إِنَّ أَحَدَكُمْ يُجْمَعُ خَلْقُهُ فِي بَطْنِ أُمِّهِ أَرْبَعِينَ يَوْمًا، ثُمَّ يَكُونُ عَلَقَةً مِثْلَ ذَلِكَ، ثُمَّ يَكُونُ مُضْغَةً مِثْلَ ذَلِكَ، ثُمَّ يَبْعَثُ اللَّهُ مَلَكًا، فَيُؤْمَرُ بِأَرْبَعِ كَلِمَاتٍ، وَيُقَالُ لَهُ اكْتُبْ عَمَلَهُ وَرِزْقَهُ وَأَجَلَهُ وَشَقِيٌّ أَوْ سَعِيدٌ‏.‏ ثُمَّ يُنْفَخُ فِيهِ الرُّوحُ، فَإِنَّ الرَّجُلَ مِنْكُمْ لَيَعْمَلُ حَتَّى مَا يَكُونُ بَيْنَهُ وَبَيْنَ الْجَنَّةِ إِلاَّ ذِرَاعٌ، فَيَسْبِقُ عَلَيْهِ كِتَابُهُ، فَيَعْمَلُ بِعَمَلِ أَهْلِ النَّارِ، وَيَعْمَلُ حَتَّى مَا يَكُونُ بَيْنَهُ وَبَيْنَ النَّارِ إِلاَّ ذِرَاعٌ، فَيَسْبِقُ عَلَيْهِ الْكِتَابُ، فَيَعْمَلُ بِعَمَلِ أَهْلِ الْجَنَّةِ ‏"‏‏.‏

Reference    : Sahih al-Bukhari 3208
In-book reference    : Book 59, Hadith 19

is this true, is there any proof of it?
links?

Also i heard that according to islam, sperm generates at the spine, but this is not is this true fact, is their any proof?
From a debate, Osama Abdullah said this is because if the spine is damaged, you cannot have kids, so there is a connection. however, we should also note that there IS a connection because the spine is part of the nervous system so by that logic, serm scould generate at the neck or brain.
Someone please explain

It says backbone, not spine. It's just a misinterpretation. The word has got different meanings.

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Re: embyro and sperm
« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2013, 09:36:58 am »
then is it true, if so explain

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« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2013, 09:42:50 am »
Doesnt it say between the loins and backbone/spine?

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« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2013, 10:08:12 am »
I dont know for sure, i was hoping yall could explain.

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« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2013, 10:48:31 am »
Well i read that it says its between. And the prostate gland produces some of the semen and it is situated just underneath the bladder.

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« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2013, 11:08:44 am »
It neither says backbone nor spine. They mistranslated the verse. Look at what I answered somebody when he told me this.
This is from Suratut-Tariq, verse 7.
"Regarding the first one, the 'sulb' is for the male, and the 'tra'ib' are for the women as stated in Ibn Khathir's explanation of the meanings of the Noble Qur'an. The same way 'penis' can only be for a male, 'tra'ib' can only be used for the female sex. Although the word 'sulb' could be translated to mean backbone, it can also be translated to mean loins, and in this case it means loins. This is made obvious as it is also used elsewhere in the Noble Qur'an, for example in Surat An Nisa', verse number 23: "...And [also prohibited are] the wives of your sons who are from your [own] loins..." The Arabic word used was 'aslab', the plural of 'sulb', and as we can see it has been translated into the word loins, not backbone. Even in the Bible the word 'sulb' is used: "5وَكَانَتْ جَمِيعُ نُفُوسِ الْخَارِجِينَ مِنْ صُلْبِ يَعْقُوبَ سَبْعِينَ نَفْسًا. وَلكِنْ يُوسُفُ كَانَ فِي مِصْرَ". (Exodus 1:5)
If you read the American standard version of the Bible, it states: "And all the souls that came out of the loins of Jacob were seventy souls: and Joseph was in Egypt already." (Exodus 1:5)
Even here, the word 'sulb' is translated to mean loins.
Now, as we all know, the male emits sperm. However, the sperm alone cannot reach the female itself as it needs to transport help from the semen. Similarly, the female has the egg, but the egg too needs the help of the fluid to pass through the uterus and the fallopian tube. As we can see, there is no scientific mistake here, but on the contrary a scientific miracle, as this was only discovered very recently with modern science." 

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« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2013, 11:26:03 am »
As-Salamu `Alaykum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh,
By the way, there is a miracle in that Hadith brother Zulfiqar. They discovered that exactly on the second it becomes the 40th day, the baby gets a soul and becomes alive, just as the Messenger of Almighty Allah (may Almighty Allah bless him and grant him peace) said. Before that, the baby was a mere lifeless embreyo. Subhan Allah Wa Bihamdihi, Subhan Allah Al-`Azeem.

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« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2013, 11:33:22 am »
Sorry, on the 40th day, the fetus' brain operates and brain waves can be detected.*

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« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2013, 12:11:24 pm »
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thanks Ramzi, pls provide me with links.

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« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2013, 12:16:55 pm »
Either way its right. If it means loins its right.If it means between the loins and backbone, also right.


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« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2013, 12:31:00 pm »
thnx
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