Author Topic: refuting adnaanshaikh195  (Read 13179 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline There is only one God

  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • View Profile
refuting adnaanshaikh195
« on: January 23, 2013, 11:08:13 AM »
Dajjal is not a literal person. It is a warning about religions other than Islam (95% of other religions are derived from Horus). It is really sad that Adnaanshaikh195 doesn't see it and resort to useless illogical arguments like "oooh bogus look spreading misinformation scholars don't agree" well guess what? Think for yourself! The scholars think it's gonna be this one eyed alien with a magic rod that will hypnotize everyone and control weather while no one is noticing! Well, there's too much shirk in there. Only God is omnipresent, I do not see how you can believe Dajjal will be 'everywhere' as a single person. Isn't God also anthropomorphized in the Qur'an? It's so it makes sense to people who don't understand! Oh and if anyone wants to criticize, please keep it to constructive criticism, not useless nonsense like "seriously, stop with your sh***y theories"
Let's take a look at all the 'prophecies' about Dajjal to prove my point!

*Cue dramatic music, possibly thriller?*
Narrated Ibn Umar:
Once Allah's Apostle stood amongst the people, glorified and praised Allah as He deserved and then mentioned the Dajjal saying, "l [sic] warn you against him (i.e. the Dajjal) and there was no prophet but warned his nation against him. No doubt, Noah warned his nation against him but I tell you about him something of which no prophet told his nation before me. You should know that he is one-eyed, and Allah is not one-eyed. (Sahih Bukhari 4.553. Also, Sahih Bukhari 4.553, Sahih Muslim 41.7000, Sunan Abu Dawud 37.4318, etc).


He IS one eyed, meaning present tense, it's NOT a prophecy of the future.
Now one eyed, hmm let's see. Where do we see the one-eyed symbolism? Oh yea..


I've already explained this in other posts. The eye obviously belongs to Horus, an ancient Egyptian personification (anthropomorphism) of the sun. The pyramid is clearly Egyptian. There are 13 layers on the pyramid. This represents Horus and his 12 apostles.
The Roman numerals at the bottom of the pyramid are 1776, the year the 'establishment' took place. The text at the top is Annuit cœptis (also composed of 13 letters), which means 'undertaking/establishment approved' (in other words, mission accomplished). At the bottom it says 'Novus Ordo Seclorum', Novus means 'new', 'ordos' means order, 'seclorum' means world. So rearranged in English, it's a new world order.
One example should suffice. I'm not gonna go into details of the great seal, don't bother looking it up, you won't need it.
Oh and about the one eye, Horus' left eye represents the sun, and the right eye represents the moon. Moon worship died out in the past, but Sun worship, you have no idea..

Moving on...

Next one says he will be red skinned:
'Abdullah reported on the authority of his father 'Umar b. Khattab that he heard from the Messenger of Allah (may peace he upon him) say: I was sleeping when I saw myself making circuit around the Ka'bah, and I saw there a man of fair complexion with straight hair between two men. Water was flowing from his head or water was falling from his head. I said: Who is he? They answered: He is the son of Mary. Then I moved forward and cast a glance and there was a bulky man of red complexion with thick locks of hair on his head, blind of one eye as it his eye was a swollen grape. I asked: Who is he? They said: He is Dajjal. He had close resemblance with Ibn Qatan amongst men. (Sahih Muslim 1.327)

It's obvious here that the guy just pointed to an ancient Egyptian painting of Horus, being red skinned. That's why they were all "who's that? Dajjal. Oh, looks like my friend Ibn Qatan. Hey, isn't that the son of Mary [Jesus]?"
See, this verse points out two things in an obvious manner:
1) Horus
2) Horus disguised as Jesus (hence the son of Mary)

Here, red skinned, with only one eye visible:


Horus chilling with 12 disciples, one of them being Scorpio (Judas), which 'betrays' the sun.

Next: The believers will be able to 'read the kufr on his forehead'. Clever metaphor for people like me, who can already see through the deception.
Ibn Shihab said: 'Umar b. Thabit al-Ansari informed me that some of the Companions of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) informed him that the day when Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) warned people against the Dajjal, he also said: There would be written between his two eyes (the word) Kafir (infidel) and everyone who would resent his deeds would be able to read or every Muslim would be about to read, and he also said: Bear this thing in mind that none amongst you would be able to see Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, until he dies. (Sahih Muslim 41.7000)

The ones that come now are the more obvious ones. They share amazing parallels with Horus.

* Resurrecting the dead - Horus could 'resurrect the dead (crops)'. Obviously if you take the hadith on this literally (Sahih Bukhari 3.106) you are committing shirk. Christian Jesus could resurrect the dead, remember?
* Travels in the clouds - Various references in the bible point to the claim that the lord travels 'in the clouds, and every eye shall see him'. Can't get more obvious than Horus in the clouds (The sun appears to be moving)
* Weather control - One of the more obvious ones. When the Sun has fewer sunspots, it gives off less energy, less energy makes its way to Earth, and our planet cools down.

We now come to the conclusion that Dajjal = the mass deception led by Christianity

To further support my claim:
He would come to the people and invite them (to a wrong religion) and they would affirm their faith in him and respond to him. (Sahih Muslim 41.7015)
 
Christians aren't allowed to enter Mecca/Medina today.
He would come but would not be allowed to ether the mountain passes to Medina. (Sahih Muslim 41.7017)


Isa (PBUH) will metaphorically 'kill' the deception (Dajjal) by 'breaking the cross', or by telling the Christians he wasn't divine, he wasn't really the son of God.
     When the enemy of Allah would see him, it would (disappear) just as the salt dissolves itself in water and if he (Jesus) were not to confront them at all, even then it would dissolve completely, but Allah would kill them by his hand and he would show them their blood on his lance (the lance of Jesus Christ). (Sahih Muslim 41.6924)

Offline adnaanshaikh195

  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • View Profile
Re: refuting adnaanshaikh195
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2013, 10:39:22 PM »
Lmao, I will prove you wrong, and refute everything I will say, I hate it when 'new converts' try to tell other muslims and interpret ahadith in their way, even though the points given are a load of crap. I will make a new topic.

I actually made a wall of text before, but I did something wrong, So i lost it all, and was not bothered to retry to gather it all.

Offline DrShaFi

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
    • View Profile
Re: refuting adnaanshaikh195
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2013, 10:46:55 PM »
Asalamwalaikum warahmatullah

Brother, the Dajjal is 100% a real person.  He is someone that will come to us in the future first calling himself a savior, then a messenger, and then god himself.  Allah will give him the abilities to control weather, cure incurable diseases and bring the dead back to life.  Everyone agrees that he is a person and he will appear in the future.

Offline There is only one God

  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • View Profile
Re: refuting adnaanshaikh195
« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2013, 06:24:58 AM »
Asalamwalaikum warahmatullah

Brother, the Dajjal is 100% a real person.  He is someone that will come to us in the future first calling himself a savior, then a messenger, and then god himself.  Allah will give him the abilities to control weather, cure incurable diseases and bring the dead back to life.  Everyone agrees that he is a person and he will appear in the future.

All characteristics of Horus

Offline zulfiqarchucknorris

  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • View Profile
Re: refuting adnaanshaikh195
« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2013, 11:36:42 AM »
everyone is entitled to their own opinion, we are all muslims after all.

Offline DrShaFi

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
    • View Profile
Re: refuting adnaanshaikh195
« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2013, 03:21:58 PM »
everyone is entitled to their own opinion, we are all muslims after all.

no brother.  In this case, there should be no opinions because everyone agrees that the dajjal is a real person and every muslim must believe it since it is a fact

Offline zulfiqarchucknorris

  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • View Profile
Re: refuting adnaanshaikh195
« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2013, 04:12:02 PM »
Peace
Not "everyone".
And scholars agree on many different things regarding different topics.
Scholars had differnt opinions on many things, some categorizing them in different places.
Dialogue like this is healthy for civilization, because it helps us find the truth, and shows us whats right and wrong.
If someone has a different opinion, you should respect it, but try to change his mind with dialogue.
And we can ALL  believe that no matter what "There is only one God" view is on the anti-christ, his still a muslim.
Peace

Offline MuslimBoy

  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • View Profile
Re: refuting adnaanshaikh195
« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2014, 02:20:52 AM »
I think that convert people have a better understanding of Islam.

Offline Black Muslim

  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • View Profile
Re: refuting adnaanshaikh195
« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2014, 02:33:30 PM »
Aside from the conspiracy theories , devil worshipers , illuminits or whatever you call them , and Zionism , are you telling me that when the prophet peace upon him and the companions had doubts about the son of Sayyad being Dajjal , they mistook a human being for a system ?!

Offline Yaz

  • Full Member
  • ***
    • View Profile
Re: refuting all Dejjal theories
« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2015, 04:26:51 AM »
I have read much as regards this sites mention of dejjal, but let me tell you this................

 The Dejjal is none other than Satan himself. Dejjall, is the Anti Christ, the Liar Messiah, he will claim to be God, then declare himself as the Messiah, Jesus.

And if any tidings, whether of safety or fear, come unto them, they noise it abroad, whereas if they had referred it to the messenger and to such of them as are in authority, those among them who are able to think out the matter would have known it. If it had not been for the grace of Allah upon you and His mercy ye would have followed Satan, save a few (of you). 4:83

Alif. Lam. Mim. (1) Do men imagine that they will be left (at ease) because they say, We believe, and will not be tested with affliction? 29:1-2

That He (Allah) may make what is thrown in by Shaitan (satan) a trial for those in whose hearts is a disease (of hypocrisy and disbelief) and whose hearts are hardened. And certainly, the Zalimun (polytheists and wrong-doers) are in an opposition far-off (from the truth against Allah's Messenger and the believers).  22;53

Dejjall, Satan your enemy

[Iblis (satan)] said: "O my Lord! Because you misled me, I shall indeed adorn the path of error for them (mankind) on the earth, and I shall mislead them all. 15;39

O ye who believe! Follow not the footsteps of the devil. Unto whomsoever followeth the footsteps of the devil, lo! he commandeth filthiness and wrong. Had it not been for the grace of Allah and His mercy unto you, not one of you would ever have grown pure. But Allah causeth whom He will to grow. And Allah is Hearer, Knower. 24:21

And Shaitan (satan) will say when the matter has been decided: "Verily, Allah promised you a promise of truth. And I too promised you, but I betrayed you. I had no authority over you except that I called you, and you responded to me. So blame me not, but blame yourselves. I cannot help you, nor can you help me. I deny your former act in associating me (satan) as a partner with Allah (by obeying me in the life of the world). Verily, there is a painful torment for the Zalimun (polytheists and wrong-doers)." 14;22

Dejjals Army, Gog and Magog and Jinns.

O Children of Adam! Let not Shaitan (satan) deceive you, as he got your parents [Adam and Hawwa' (Eve)] out of Paradise, stripping them of their raiments, to show them their private parts. Verily, he and Qabiluhu (his soldiers from the jinn or his tribe) see you from where you cannot see them. Verily, We made the Shayatin (devils) Auliya' (protectors and helpers) for those who believe not. 7;27

Unknown Creations of transport...UFO...how the Dejjall, Satan will move fast??

 And horses and mules and asses (hath He created) that ye may ride them, and for ornament. And He createth that which ye know not. (8) And Allah's is the direction of the way, and some (roads) go not straight. And had He willed He would have led you all aright. 16:8-9


Dejjalls Sedition

 And excite any of them whom thou canst with thy voice, and urge thy horse and foot against them, and be a partner in their wealth and children, and promise them. Satan promiseth them only to deceive. 17:64

O mankind! Be afraid of your Lord (by keeping your duty to Him and avoiding all evil), and fear a Day when no father can avail aught for his son, nor a son avail aught for his father. Verily, the Promise of Allah is true: let not then this (worldly) present life deceive you, nor let the chief deceiver (satan) deceive you about Allah. 33:31

Fabricated hadiths,....... Dejjall, Satan... can not and will not raise the dead, nor will he bring rain or make plants to grow, only Allah can do these things....Dejjall, Satan, will have a heaven and a Hell with him, and there will be the raising of the dead, but these issues are for a deeper understanding and comprehension of the Quran......though, the Hell will be the Planet Nibiru, called Saqr or sijjill, in the Quran. The time of the Planets arrival is called "The Hour", or mentioned as the "chastisement". I can explain more if you like, later perhaps.

And lo! that verily is a tremendous oath, if ye but knew - That (this) is indeed a noble Qur'an  In a Book kept hidden  Which none toucheth save the purified, A revelation from the Lord of the Worlds.  Is it this Statement that ye scorn,  And make denial thereof your livelihood?  Why, then, when (the soul) cometh up to the throat (of the dying)  And ye are at that moment looking  - And We are nearer unto him than ye are, but ye see not -  Why then, if ye are not in bondage (unto Us), Do ye not force it back, if ye are truthful? 56:76-87

 Verily! It is Allah Who causes the seed-grain and the fruit-stone (like date-stone) to split and sprout. He brings forth the living from the dead, and it is He Who brings forth the dead from the living. Such is Allah, then how are you deluded away from the truth? 6:49

He merges the night into the day (i.e. the decrease in the hours of the night is added to the hours of the day), and He merges the day into the night (i.e. the decrease in the hours of the day is added to the hours of the night). And He has subjected the sun and the moon: each runs its course for a term appointed. Such is Allah, your Lord; His is the kingdom. And those, whom you invoke or call upon instead of Him, own not even a Qitmir (the thin membrane over the date-stone). 35:13

 O mankind! A similitude has been coined, so listen to it (carefully): Verily those on whom you call besides Allah, cannot create (even) a fly, even though they combine together for the purpose. And if the fly snatches away a thing from them, they will have no power to release it from the fly. So weak are (both) the seeker and the sought.  22:73

 Do they not see the birds held (flying) in the midst of the sky? None holds them but Allah [none gave them the ability to fly but Allah]. Verily, in this are clear Ayat (proofs and signs) for people who believe (in the Oneness of Allah). 16:79

 He has created the heavens without any pillars that you see, and has set on the earth firm mountains lest it should shake with you. And He has scattered therein moving (living) creatures of all kinds. And We send down water (rain) from the sky, and We cause (plants) of every goodly kind to grow therein. 31:30

There is much in the Quran about the fabrications of hadiths by the Jews in the time of the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him and his family. Another subject for another time.

Please people , Dejjall is Satan.......and please realise many hadiths on Gog and Magog are false, as with Dejjall, as with many subjects concerning Islamic practices and the life of Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him and his family.

Offline submit

  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • View Profile
Re: refuting adnaanshaikh195
« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2015, 08:32:35 AM »
it can be possible Satan appearing as Dajjal or Dajjal is a being that is totally different than Satan. Based on the story narrated, we have false messiah killed. And Satan appears after that.

http://sunnah.com/muslim/54/144

Quote
The Dajjal would appear in my Ummah and he would stay (in the world) for forty - I cannot say whether he meant forty days, forty months or forty years. And Allah would then send Jesus son of Mary who would resemble 'Urwa b Mas'ud. He (Jesus Christ) would chase him and kill him.......

Only the wicked people would survive and they would be as careless as birds with the characteristics of beasts. They would never appreciate the good nor condemn evil. Then Satan would come to them in human form and would say: Don't you respond? And they would say: What do you order us? And he would command them to worship the idols but, in spite of this, they would have abundance of sustenance and lead comfortable lives.


Offline Yaz

  • Full Member
  • ***
    • View Profile
Dejjal
« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2015, 12:47:41 PM »
This is where every one is going wrong, believing in fabricated hadiths, be they classed as Sahih or not........the story is long, but the authentication was not done as regards checking as to what the Quran states. If a hadith is not in line with the Quran, then the hadith is false.......simple.....

Dejjal is Satan and Satan is Dejjal, and yes he will be killed, by Jesus, or by Allahs Mercy, and that is the end of him and his followers. You see, this last hour, is the coming of Saqar, the Planet you call Nibiru or Planet X. The end of times is really about here. Also, the only people left will be the righteous..not the unbelievers,,,,think about it....all non believers and Jesus reigning with Imam Mahdi,,,,what would be the point of that !!!!...come on people start thinking and opening your minds up. Test the hadiths out against the Quran. The Jews and the modern scholars have fooled you a gooden....

.We are allowed to think and use our minds as Allah states many times as to the open and obvious deceptions of Satans and the Jews, which are all fore told in the Quran........I suggest you all start reading the Quran, and lay off the hadiths, they are misguiding you. I follow only those hadiths that make sense as regards in line with Quran, and by the wisdom of a dear friend of mine who is a relative of our Prophet Muhammad,peace and blessing be upon him and his family, am I able to know a few extra hadiths, that are not about Quranic matters.

Offline Sh Truthseaker

  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • View Profile
Re: refuting adnaanshaikh195
« Reply #12 on: May 10, 2015, 07:25:19 AM »
Asalamwalaikum warahmatullah

Brother, the Dajjal is 100% a real person.  He is someone that will come to us in the future first calling himself a savior, then a messenger, and then god himself.  Allah will give him the abilities to control weather, cure incurable diseases and bring the dead back to life.  Everyone agrees that he is a person and he will appear in the future.

All characteristics of Horus

I cant believe it symbolical.I have heard a hadis.[haven't byhearted].[but later saw that hadis in this video:      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktXO1g7Wc8o   ]

Offline Sh Truthseaker

  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • View Profile
Re: Dejjal
« Reply #13 on: May 13, 2015, 06:41:38 AM »


Dejjal is Satan and Satan is Dejjal, and yes he will be killed, by Jesus, or by Allahs Mercy, and that is the end of him and his followers.

 It cant be.Qur'an quotes iblees asking Allah time till last day to deviate humans, and Allah Almighty has given it.The end of the world is not on the day Isa (PBUH) arrives.

Offline iknowi

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
    • View Profile
Re: refuting adnaanshaikh195
« Reply #14 on: July 23, 2016, 02:24:47 PM »
Asalamu alaykum.

Im not an Ahmadi, but the Ahmadiyya community agrees with you. Their prophet (Mirza Ghulam Ahmad) foretold that the greatest Dajjal is the Christian missionaries, where Dajjal isnt a single person but a system. After all, Allah dislikes hypocrites and polytheists the most.

I agree with the notion that Dajjal being a single person is logistically improbable. Mohammad's (pbuh) dream was probably metaphorical.