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Offline There is only one God

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Is music allowed?
« on: January 24, 2013, 02:01:17 PM »
If no, then why not?
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Re: Is music allowed?
« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2013, 02:41:23 PM »
Nope, I will post why. Hold on.

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Re: Is music allowed?
« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2013, 03:58:38 PM »
In my opnion, and the opinion of many other scholars, Music is allowed on the condition that it doesnt distract you from religion and doesnt encourage evil things.
for why music is allowed, please see this link
http://islamicsystem.blogspot.com/2012/04/q-shari-rule-on-songs-music-singing.html
it is a very informative article on music by Sheikh Abu Iyas, a well-known jordanian sheikh.

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« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2013, 04:27:54 PM »
I also recommend Al-Azhar's fatwa on music
http://www.sailanmuslim.com/news/fatwa-on-music-by-the-grand-mufti-and-shaykh-of-al-azhar-shaykh-jad-al-haq-ali-jad-al-haq/
Al azhar is one one of, if not the, most respected school in the majoruty of the muslim world.
You can enjoy music, as long as its not accompanied by sinful acts and/or distracts you from prayer.
Even salafi ibn hazm has this view
PS aboout sheikh abu Iyas, im not 100% sure he is actually jordanian, anyway, peace
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Re: Is music allowed?
« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2013, 07:46:22 PM »
Asalamwaliukum warahmatullah

No music is not allowed.  All scholars agree it isnt.  It distracts you from remembering Allah and it wastes time.  Time is an extremely important thing.  For example, you might listen to music instead of listening to quran, or you might sing songs instead of reciting quran.  You might want to sing urself instead of wanting to become a quran recitor or a sheikh.  It also distracts you from learning islam by wasting ur time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0QCX0S3-30

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYfltQO0lh4   <----A long video but it is a trustworthy and authentic source.


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Re: Is music allowed?
« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2013, 05:29:32 AM »
Asalamwaliukum warahmatullah

No music is not allowed.  All scholars agree it isnt. 


Abu Bakr ibn al-Arabi, Abu Hamid al-Ghazali, and Ibn Hazm. are some of the most respected scholars in the islamic golden age and they claim that music is allowed. Abu Iyas is a respected modern scholar who allows music. Al Azhar, one of the most, in not THE most, respected islamic research centers in all of islam, and there ruling is that music is allowed if its not accompanied by sinful acts here is there fatwa,
http://www.sailanmuslim.com/news/fatwa-on-music-by-the-grand-mufti-and-shaykh-of-al-azhar-shaykh-jad-al-haq-ali-jad-al-haq/
please read this link to see why the sources in your videos are wrong and why music is allowed, it is a great article by sheikh abu iyas
http://islamicsystem.blogspot.com/2012/04/q-shari-rule-on-songs-music-singing.html
if you want more scholars ibn rushd and ibn sina are some
if you want more links from well-known websites,
http://www.submission.org/music.html

but if you cant read all the links or research the scholars
just read abu iyas's article:
http://islamicsystem.blogspot.com/2012/04/q-shari-rule-on-songs-music-singing.html

and if you can do more, then al azhar's (one of the most, in not THE most, respected islamic research centers in all of islam, even Bro Osama Abdullah follows there rulings) fatwa
http://www.sailanmuslim.com/news/fatwa-on-music-by-the-grand-mufti-and-shaykh-of-al-azhar-shaykh-jad-al-haq-ali-jad-al-haq/

PLEASE AT LEAST READ THE TWO LINKS BEFORE YOU RESPOND
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« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2013, 05:36:50 AM »
And please read ALL OF THE ARTICLES (not just part of them)
in addition, i would like to site this hadith, BUT READ THE LINKS FIRST, ALL OF IT.
Ar-Rubai bint Muawwidh said:
"The morning after the consummation of my marriage, the Prophet came and sat on my bed as far from me as you are sitting now, and our little girls started beating the Duff and reciting verses mourning my father who had been killed in the battle of Badr. One of them said: 'Among us is a Prophet who knows what will happen tomorrow.' On that the Prophet said: 'Stop saying this, and keep on saying what you were saying before.'"

حَدَّثَنَا حُمَيْدُ بْنُ مَسْعَدَةَ الْبَصْرِيُّ، حَدَّثَنَا بِشْرُ بْنُ الْمُفَضَّلِ، حَدَّثَنَا خَالِدُ بْنُ ذَكْوَانَ، عَنِ الرُّبَيِّعِ بِنْتِ مُعَوِّذٍ، قَالَتْ جَاءَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم فَدَخَلَ عَلَىَّ غَدَاةَ بُنِيَ بِي فَجَلَسَ عَلَى فِرَاشِي كَمَجْلِسِكَ مِنِّي وَجُوَيْرِيَاتٌ لَنَا يَضْرِبْنَ بِدُفُوفِهِنَّ وَيَنْدُبْنَ مَنْ قُتِلَ مِنْ آبَائِي يَوْمَ بَدْرٍ إِلَى أَنْ قَالَتْ إِحْدَاهُنَّ وَفِينَا نَبِيٌّ يَعْلَمُ مَا فِي غَدٍ ‏.‏ فَقَالَ لَهَا رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ "‏ اسْكُتِي عَنْ هَذِهِ وَقُولِي الَّذِي كُنْتِ تَقُولِينَ قَبْلَهَا ‏"‏ ‏.‏ قَالَ أَبُو عِيسَى هَذَا حَدِيثٌ حَسَنٌ صَحِيحٌ ‏.‏

English reference : Vol. 2, Book 6, Hadith 1090
Arabic reference : Book 7, Hadith 1113
This is just an addition, PLEASE READ THE LINKS FIRST, then read this hadith, then respond.
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Re: Is music allowed?
« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2013, 10:17:25 AM »
Asalamwaliukum warahmatullah

No music is not allowed.  All scholars agree it isnt.  It distracts you from remembering Allah and it wastes time.  Time is an extremely important thing.  For example, you might listen to music instead of listening to quran, or you might sing songs instead of reciting quran.  You might want to sing urself instead of wanting to become a quran recitor or a sheikh.  It also distracts you from learning islam by wasting ur time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0QCX0S3-30

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYfltQO0lh4   <----A long video but it is a trustworthy and authentic source.
None of this ever happens to a normal person. Too many mights aswell. These scholars whole ban revolves around mights. Why dont they ban food too? Some people might eat too much and become obese? Or how about banning money? Some people might spend too much? Why not even ban religion? Some people might go to the extremes and start compelling others into their religion and kill people?

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Re: Is music allowed?
« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2013, 11:09:43 AM »
peace
dear tanveer,
although i agree with you that music is not forbidden, we should note that there claim is not baseless.
please read the 2 links i have posted (Abu Iyas's article and Al Azhars fatwa) to find out why there claim is wrong.
However, we should note that music accompanied by sinful acts is forbidden unanomiusly, (peopledifferon what "sinful acts" are, but most of them agree on most things, e.g. adultery).

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Re: Is music allowed?
« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2013, 12:42:17 PM »
peace
dear tanveer,
although i agree with you that music is not forbidden, we should note that there claim is not baseless.
please read the 2 links i have posted (Abu Iyas's article and Al Azhars fatwa) to find out why there claim is wrong.
However, we should note that music accompanied by sinful acts is forbidden unanomiusly, (peopledifferon what "sinful acts" are, but most of them agree on most things, e.g. adultery).
Oh yes ofcourse. I absolutely agree. I was just pointing out how flawed their reasoning is.

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Re: Is music allowed?
« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2013, 12:59:16 PM »
good
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Re: Is music allowed?
« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2013, 11:51:34 PM »
Thu-Alfiqar , you should know that we can take and refute anyone except the prophet peace upon him . It doesn't matter who says something if it isn't supported with evidence . And the prophet said clearly that music is forbidden . So taking something which LOOKS like an agreement from him and leaving a clear saying is wrong . Here's an article with names MORE IMPORTANT than Al-Azhar or any other scholar these days .

http://islamqa.info/ar/ref/5000

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« Reply #12 on: January 27, 2013, 06:46:52 AM »
I've read the link you gave me, i only ask that you read mine.
I will post them again:

http://islamicsystem.blogspot.com/2012/04/q-shari-rule-on-songs-music-singing.html
Sheikh Abu Iyas's article that shows that music in not forbidden, by refuting hadiths that claim otherwise by showing they are not authentic, and showing hadiths that permit music.

http://www.sailanmuslim.com/news/fatwa-on-music-by-the-grand-mufti-and-shaykh-of-al-azhar-shaykh-jad-al-haq-ali-jad-al-haq/orical
Al Azhar uses historical context and RELIABLE hadiths to see that music is not forbidden.

The problem with your link that it shows an ultracoservative scholar and they use unreliable hadith, and the quranic verses he gives does NOT forbid the verses, only that you sholdn't use music to "turn peoples heats away from God", and btw one of the scholars this guy gives, bin baz, said the world is flat.
He also gives weak hadiths that are refuted in Abu Iyas's article.
So read the article and Al Azhar's article, they show that it isnt forbidden, and give good evidence while refuting weak evidence.
Please read them before you respond.
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Re: Is music allowed?
« Reply #13 on: January 27, 2013, 11:03:49 PM »
Unauthorized !? How can you say such a thing !? It says in Bukhari :

" Narrated Abu 'Amir or Abu Malik Al-Ash'ari: that he heard the Prophet saying, "From among my followers there will be some people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk, the drinking of alcoholic drinks and the use of musical instruments, as lawful."

This is a crystal clear evidence that music is forbidden . Now look , there is a difference between music and singing . Singing is ok unless it contains immoral stuff and all . But music is completely forbidden . It's dangerous to change the meanings and twist words in order for them to match personal desires .

And this is another one

"It was narrated that Al-Awza'i said: "Umar bin 'Abdul-'Aziz wrote a letter to 'Umar bin Al-Walid in which he said: 'The share that your father gave to you was the entire Khumus,[1] but the share that your father is entitled to is the same as that of any man among the Muslims, on which is due the rights of Allah and His Messenger, and of relatives, orphans, the poor and wayfarers. How many will dispute with your father on the Day of Resurrection! How can he be saved who has so many disputants? And your openly allowing musical instruments and wind instruments is an innovation in Islam. I was thinking of sending someone to you who would cut off your evil long hair.""

So how come they deem them unauthorized ?

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Re: Is music allowed?
« Reply #14 on: January 28, 2013, 12:03:17 AM »
Peace
It seems you didnt read the links i sent you.
If you DID read them, Abu Iyas's article deals with this Hadith particularly, PS the 2nd one is not attributed to the prophet.
PLease read the 2 links.
i will post what sheikh Abu Iyas said about this hadith (ITS IN THE LINK, PLEASE READ IT BEFORE YOU RESPOND NEXT TIME, ITS NOT THAT LONG, i WONT RESPOND TO YOUR AGUEMENTS NEXT TIME UNLESS YOU READ IT)
This is what he said

"There is one hadith remaining which was reported in Sahih al-Bukhari which is a mu’allaq hadith, and this is one of the evidences for the ones who say that music and musical instruments are not allowed, we shall look into this hadith in some detail:
This hadith although narrated in Sahih al-Bukhari, it would be not correct to say that Bukhari narrated this hadith since Bukhari does not say (he informed us) or (he told us) or something of the similar words, he reports in a mu’allaq manner in the format (and Hisham ibn ‘Ammar said) and the mu’allaq Ahadeeth in Sahih al-Bukhari are not obliged to be taken as evidence although they can be referred to. The Ahadeeth mua’llaqa means that one narrator or more are not mentioned in the chain, and thereby the hadith is Munqat’i (unconnected), and I question: why did not Bukhari mention the one who narrated this hadith to him? Does this not indicate Imam Bukhari’s suspicion on the narration and the narrator, and therefore this hadith falls down from the level of being Saheeh.
Hisham bin ‘Ammar was a man of trust but when he became old his condition changed, his sayings could not be taken doubtlessly, Abu Hatim arRazi says (when Hisham became old he changed, he would read whatever was given to him and whatever was dictated to him, he would accept) and Abu Dawud from whom Al-’Ajari narrated (Hisham narrated four hundred Ahadeeth but his chains do not have a base),  and he also said that Hisham would take the Ahadeeth from Abu Mish’ar and then narrate them, and after this he i.e. Abu Dawud said (I was afraid he would create doubts in the matter of Islam itself). Imam Ahmad Ibn Hanbal said: “He was somewhat fickle” and also said: “If you happen to pray behind him, repeat your prayers.” It is not correct to take Ahadeeth from such a narrator, moreover, Sahih Ahadeeth refute what he narrated.
Abu Dawud narrated in his Sunan with a good chain, starting with Hisham bin ‘Ammaar: (Abdul Wahab bin Najdah narrated to us, that Bashar bin Bakr narrated to us, from Abdul Rahman Ibn Yazid Ibn Jabir, that ‘Atiyah Ibn Qays narrated to us: I heard Abdul Rahman Ibn Ghanam al’Ash’ari say: Abu Amir narrated to us or Abu Malik, I swear by Allah another oath that he did not believe me that he heard the Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) say: There will be among my community people who will make lawful (the use of) khazz and silk. Some of them will be transformed into apes and swine till the day of judgement”. And this has a strong chain with out any doubt but there is no mention of musical instruments and female singers, so it is obvious as to which of these narrations is preferred?
The Shari’a came inline with the innate nature of man and there is no proof to say that it is in conflict with the nature of man, and the singing as all of us know, is from the nature which I cannot comprehend that a man who lives for four years or more and does not listen to songs, our children from a very young age tend to sing and dance, so has Islam come to prohibit what is part of our nature?
In the end I say, if this was a hadith, with no contradiction with the other Saheeh Ahadeeth which we have presented, we would have relied upon it over weaker Ahadeeth. But the issue here is different, that there are many Ahadeeth which are Saheeh and Hasan and contradictory to this hadith, so how do we take it?
For these 5 reasons I do not take this hadith as an evidence for prohibiting singing and musical instruments."
the scholars i have mentioned before, such as ibn hazm, rehject this hadith for this very reason.

Bukhari is just a scholar, he is not divine, and scholars do make mistakes, and although he probably made less than, less say, Timidhi, he still did.
remember that.
I (nor sheikh abu Iyas, Abu Bakr bin Arabi, or ibn Hazm) are changing the meaning, we are saying that it is not authentic.
Bukhari=/= Authentic          Bukhari= most likely authentic
I cant emphasis this enough
and I cant emphaisis this enough, READ THE 2 LINKS I POSTED BEFORE YOU RESPOND NEXT TIME, THEY DEAL WITH EVERY SINGLE HADITH THAT FORBIDS MUSIC AND REFUTE IT, while showing evidence of the permisibily of music though other hadith.
I repeat, READ THE LINKS
Peace bro