Peace be upon you dear brother Jesus.breadoflife,
You are obviously a victim of the trinitarian blasphemeis. It's really not that difficult to see from the New Testament how Jesus Christ, peace be upon him, is only a creation of GOD Almighty.
I do not wish to drag this too long, because I have a lot of things to do. But all of your points above had been soundly and thoroughly refuted at: www.answering-christianity.com/at.htm
.The Doubting Thomas:
- Doubting Thomas said "My Lord and my God" to Jesus. Yet, all believers were called "God", and Moses was the "God" of the Believers, Aaron and Pharaoh:Moses was called "The God" (Exodus 7:1) of the Believers
, Aaron and Pharaoh. Jesus said he was greater than Moses. Thomas, the Disciple, called Jesus "My Lord and my God"
). Jesus denied to be GOD Almighty. All Believers were called "GODS and Sons of GOD"
) in the Bible. "GOD" in the Bible also means master, leader, priest. Therefore, the doubting Thomas' statement didn't suggest that Jesus was his Creator. And Jesus being a "God" doesn't mean that he is GOD Almighty. He is just another mere "God" like the rest of the believing creations and nothing more. For ample more details, visit:www.answering-christianity.com/godtitle.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php?topic=1904.msg7673#msg7673Jesus and the Father are One:
Jesus is one in the Father. Yes. But Jesus also said that his followers are one in him, and he is one in them, and they are one in the Father, and all of the Believers are one in the Father
]. Why did you ignore this part? Are you deliberatly trying to fool or mislead the reader?"Son of GOD" Title:
As to Jesus being the so-called "only begotten son of GOD Almighty", yes, and go to the Old Testament to see the other ONLY BEGOTTEN SONS OF GOD ALMIGHTY! And even the Bible itself defines Son of GOD to mean a Righteous Believer and Servant of GOD Almighty
. Also, Jesus Chist reduced his "Son of GOD" title to be even BELOW the "God" (Elohim) title that is given to every single Believer. The reader can visit: www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm
for ample proofs from the NT.FRIENDS = SONS:
In fact, we further read the following in the Bible:Isaiah 41:8
"But you, Israel, my servant, Jacob, whom I have chosen, you descendants of Abraham my friend,
Our God, did you not drive out the inhabitants of this land before your people Israel and give it forever to the descendants of Abraham your friend?
And the scripture was fulfilled that says, "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness," and he was called God's friend.
So being GOD Almighty's "SON" in the Bible is equal to being GOD Almighty's "FRIEND"
. Now compare this to the following from the Holy Quran:[002:257] Allah is the friend and patron of those who believe. He brings them out of the depths of darkness into light. While those who do not believe, have the forces of evil as their friends; they lead them out of light, into the very depths of darkness. Such ones shall be the inmates of the fire. They will stay there forever.
[003:122] (And remember) when the two groups among you lost heart (and almost fell out), even though Allah was their Friend and Protector? In Allah (alone), should the believers place their trust!
[004:125] Who can be better in religion than one who submits his whole self to God, does good, and follows the way of Abraham the true in Faith? For God did take Abraham for a friend.
So the Bible's "FATHER" & "SON" for GOD Almighty and the Believers is clearly metaphoric, and it only means that GOD Almighty:
1- Is the Protector.
2- Is the Friend.
3- Is the Guardian.
Again dear brother, please visit the following link to further see what Words the Glorious Quran uses for these words and definitions:http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1368.msg5203.html#msg5203BEGET = CHOSE:
Regarding the above quote:
King James Bible Psalm 2:7
I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
Let us look at Noble Verses 27:59, 3:33, 3:42, 7:144, 22:75, 35:32, 38:47, 39:4 from the Glorious Quran:[027:059] Say: Praise be to God, and Peace on his servants whom He has chosen اصطفى (for his Message). (Who) is better?- God or the false gods they associate (with Him)?
27:59 قل الحمد لله وسلام على عباده الذين اصطفى ءالله خير اما يشركون [003:033] God did choose ] اصطفى Adam and Noah, the family of Abraham, and the family of 'Imran above all people,-
3:33 ان الله اصطفى ادم ونوحا وال ابراهيم وال عمران على العالمين [003:042] Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! God hath chosen thee اصطفاك and purified thee- chosen thee above the women of all nations.
3:42 واذ قالت الملائكة يامريم ان الله اصطفاك وطهرك واصطفاك على نساء العالمين [007:144] (God) said: "O Moses! I have chosen thee اصطفيتك above (other) men, by the mission I (have given thee) and the words I (have spoken to thee): take then the (revelation) which I give thee, and be of those who give thanks."
7:144 قال ياموسى اني اصطفيتك على الناس برسالاتي وبكلامي فخذ ما اتيتك وكن من الشاكرين [022:075] God chooses يصطفي messengers from angels and from men for God is He Who hears and sees (all things).
22:75 الله يصطفي من الملائكة رسلا ومن الناس ان الله سميع بصير [035:032] Then We have given the Book for inheritance to such of Our Servants as We have chosen اصطفينا: but there are among them some who wrong their own souls; some who follow a middle course; and some who are, by God's leave, foremost in good deeds; that is the highest Grace.
35:32 ثم اورثنا الكتاب الذين اصطفينا من عبادنا فمنهم ظالم لنفسه ومنهم مقتصد ومنهم سابق بالخيرات باذن الله ذلك هو الفضل الكبير [038:047] They were, in Our sight, truly, of the company of the Elect المصطفين and the Good.
38:47 وانهم عندنا لمن المصطفين الاخيار [039:004] Had God wished to take to Himself an (actual) son, He could have chosen لاصطفى whom He pleased out of those whom He doth create: but Glory be to Him! (He is above such things.) He is God, the One, the Irresistible.
39:4 لو اراد الله ان يتخذ ولدا لاصطفى مما يخلق مايشاء سبحانه هو الله الواحد القهار
Furthermore, when Jesus was asked about when the Hour will come, he replied by saying that only GOD Almighty Knows, and that no one knows, and that Jesus himself also didn't know. Please visit:http://www.answering-christianity.com/questions.htmhttp://www.answering-christianity.com/ac7.htm#linksJesus spelled it out clearly that he knew NOT.
And as to calling GOD Almighty "Father", and that Islam denies that GOD Almighty is an ACTUAL FATHER to anyone, in Islam GOD Almighty is called:
1- Rab - Lord, Father (you are the Rab of your home for being the husband and the father).
2- Wali - Guardian.
In the old Aramaic and Hebrew, GOD Almighty was called what-is-equivalent-to-Islam our Rab and Wali
. But that doesn't make GOD Almighty our actual Father. This is exactly as Judaism metaphors such as idolatry is equivalent to spiritual adultery
. No Jew is actually married to GOD Almighty to actually commit a personal marriage-adultery against GOD Almighty! Yet, the Jews use metaphors like these. Islam came to straighten all of this out and to set the record straight that GOD Almighty has no son and no daughter. Otherwise, why would GOD Almighty torture us to Hell if we were His perfect sons and daughters?? No imperfect being could be an actual son of GOD Almighty (and no being is the son or daughter of GOD Almighty, period!):[005:018] (Both) the Jews and the Christians say: "We are sons of God, and his beloved." Say: "Why then doth He punish you for your sins? Nay, ye are but men,- of the men he hath created: He forgiveth whom He pleaseth, and He punisheth whom He pleaseth: and to God belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between: and unto Him is the final goal (of all)"
Again, please visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1368.msg5203.html#msg5203
As to Jesus being worshiped, you know very well that many others in the Old Testament were "worshiped" and bowed down to. Worshiped in the Bible means to bow to the chosen leader or master and follow him. It doesn't to pray to him or to worship him as GOD Almighty is Worshiped! Again, are you trying to fool or mislead the reader with trinity-lies and blasphemies??Definition of "The Father":
Furthermore, did you know that "Father"
in Hebrew means The Supreme GOD Who Knows Everything? Rabbis and Priests in the Bible and in Judaism are called "Father". This is where Roman Catholics get the "Father" title for their Priests from. This is also where Jesus Christ, peace be upon him, was called "Everlasting Father"
] (Highest Priest or Rabbi or Teacher for being the Messiah and King of the Jews and all Earth) in Isaiah 9:6
] comes from. GOD Almighty being "The Father"
means that GOD Almighty is the Supreme and All Knowing GOD Almighty of the Universe. That's what Father means. And Son means the Righteous Believer and Follower of GOD Almighty [1
And again, Jesus Christ being called "Mighty God"
in Isaiah 9:6
doesn't mean that he is GOD Almighty, because throughout the Bible, the Righteous Believers are all called "God" (Elohim) and "Sons of God"
. Visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm
for ample proofs.
The reason why Jesus Christ, peace be upon him, was called MIGHTY God
was because he is the Messiah, and the King of the Jews, and the coming Ruler of the entire Earth who will crush the anti-Christ. He is the heir of all earth, and ONLY THE EARTH
according to the Old and New Testaments of the Bible. So he is no mere God. He is a Mighty God. But he is NOT the Creator of the Universe. Besides, many Prophets and Angels were also given Mighty Godly Names similar to the one given to Christ. Visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/godtitle.htm
for ample proofs.
Furthermore, the Bible declares that GOD Almighty created us in His Image. The Bible further defines being in the "Image of GOD" means having the Attributes of GOD Almighty that He, the Almighty, Has put in us, humans. Please visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/let_us.htm
for ample details and proofs. This is another reason why GOD Almighty is symbolically called "The Father". He is the Supreme GOD Almighty who created man in His Image, by giving him some of His Divine Attributes:Genesis 1:26-2726 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. "For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil. (From the NIV Bible, Genesis 3:5)""and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness. (From the NIV Bible, Ephesians 4:24)""Then the LORD said to Moses, "See, I have made you like God to Pharaoh, and your brother Aaron will be your prophet. (From the NIV Bible, Exodus 7:1)""On that day the LORD will shield those who live in Jerusalem, so that the feeblest among them will be like David, and the house of David will be like God, like the Angel of the LORD going before them. (From the NIV Bible, Zechariah 12:8 )"
Again, please visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/let_us.htm
for ample more details and proofs.Jesus had to match Melchizedek:
And furthermore, did you know that Jesus Christ had to be this way (miraculous, has authority, and is powerful), because he needed to match up with Melchizedek
? Melchizedek had no father and no mother (Jesus at least had a mother), and he was the Highest Jewish Priest. And he was Eternal.
Jesus had to at least be equal to Melchizedek. See: Genesis 14:18, Psalm 110:4, Hebrews 5:6-10, Hebrews 6:20, Hebrews 7:1-20:Genesis 14:1818 Then Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine. He was priest of God Most High,Psalm 110:44 The Lord has sworn
and will not change his mind:
â€œYou are a priest forever,
in the order of Melchizedek.â€Hebrews 5:6-106 And he says in another place,
â€œYou are a priest forever,
in the order of Melchizedek.â€[a]
7 During the days of Jesusâ€™ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with fervent cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission.
8 Son though he was, he learned obedience from what he suffered
9 and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him
10 and was designated by God to be high priest in the order of Melchizedek.Hebrews 6:2020 where our forerunner, Jesus, has entered on our behalf. He has become a high priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek.Hebrews 7:1-20Melchizedek the Priest
1 This Melchizedek was king of Salem and priest of God Most High. He met Abraham returning from the defeat of the kings and blessed him,
2 and Abraham gave him a tenth of everything. First, the name Melchizedek means â€œking of righteousnessâ€; then also, â€œking of Salemâ€ means â€œking of peace.â€
3 Without father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, resembling the Son of God, he remains a priest forever.
4 Just think how great he was: Even the patriarch Abraham gave him a tenth of the plunder!
5 Now the law requires the descendants of Levi who become priests to collect a tenth from the peopleâ€”that is, from their fellow Israelitesâ€”even though they also are descended from Abraham.
6 This man, however, did not trace his descent from Levi, yet he collected a tenth from Abraham and blessed him who had the promises.
7 And without doubt the lesser is blessed by the greater.
8 In the one case, the tenth is collected by people who die; but in the other case, by him who is declared to be living.
9 One might even say that Levi, who collects the tenth, paid the tenth through Abraham,
10 because when Melchizedek met Abraham, Levi was still in the body of his ancestor.
Jesus Like Melchizedek
11 If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthoodâ€”and indeed the law given to the people established that priesthoodâ€”why was there still need for another priest to come, one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron?
12 For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also.
13 He of whom these things are said belonged to a different tribe, and no one from that tribe has ever served at the altar.
14 For it is clear that our Lord descended from Judah, and in regard to that tribe Moses said nothing about priests.
15 And what we have said is even more clear if another priest like Melchizedek appears,
16 one who has become a priest not on the basis of a regulation as to his ancestry but on the basis of the power of an indestructible life (another proof Jesus Christ never died!).
17 For it is declared:
â€œYou are a priest forever,
in the order of Melchizedek.â€
18 The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless
19 (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.
20 And it was not without an oath! Others became priests without any oath,
Again, to the reader, please visit: www.answering-christianity.com/at.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/1john2_22.htmA Brotherly Reminder:
I want to end this reply by reminding you also with the following verses:Matthew 24:36
Jesus said "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."
Jesus told his followers that no one (including Jesus) knows when the judgment day will come, only GOD knows. Notice here how "The Father" title was used for the All Knowing GOD Almighty.
Also, if Christ was indeed your Creator, brother Jesus.breadoflife, then JESUS HERE CLEARLY LIED!
If he were GOD Almighty, he would've certainly known when the Hour would come. Him denying that he had any knowledge about the Hour, while he supposedly knew it, makes him a liar.Luke 18:19 ""Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is goodâ€”except God alone." Mark 10:18 â€œAnd Jesus said to him, â€˜Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone.â€?
Trinity is false and a blasphemy. Islam is the Divine Truth. Indeed, all Praise and Glory are due to Allah Almighty Alone for making the Noble Quran be the Perfect and Everlasting Miracle, for us humans, out of all of His Divine Miracles! And may Allah Almighty send His Peace, Mercy and Blessings upon our Beloved and Blessed Prophet, Teacher and Role Model, Muhammad. Ameen.