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Offline zulfiqarchucknorris

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Women are the twin halves of men
« on: November 27, 2012, 03:23:21 AM »
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I always thought that this particular hadith was a sign to show that women and men in islam are equals, yet, according to sunnah.com, it is considered weak. here is the hadith.
from: http://sunnah.com/tirmidhi/1#113
"The Prophet was asked about a man who finds wetness and he does not remember having a wet dream. So he said: 'He is to perform Ghusl. And (he was asked) about a man who had a wet dream but does not find any wetness, so he said: 'No Ghusl is required of him.' Umm Salimsaid: 'O Messenger of Al1ah! Is the woman required to perfonn Ghusl if she sees that?' He replied: 'Yes. Indeed women are he partners of men.'" (Da'if)

حَدَّثَنَا أَحْمَدُ بْنُ مَنِيعٍ، حَدَّثَنَا حَمَّادُ بْنُ خَالِدٍ الْخَيَّاطُ، عَنْ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ بْنِ عُمَرَ، هُوَ الْعُمَرِيُّ عَنْ عُبَيْدِ اللَّهِ بْنِ عُمَرَ، عَنِ الْقَاسِمِ بْنِ مُحَمَّدٍ، عَنْ عَائِشَةَ، قَالَتْ سُئِلَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم عَنِ الرَّجُلِ يَجِدُ الْبَلَلَ وَلاَ يَذْكُرُ احْتِلاَمًا قَالَ ‏"‏ يَغْتَسِلُ ‏"‏ ‏.‏ وَعَنِ الرَّجُلِ يَرَى أَنَّهُ قَدِ احْتَلَمَ وَلَمْ يَجِدْ بَلَلاً قَالَ ‏"‏ لاَ غُسْلَ عَلَيْهِ ‏"‏ ‏.‏ قَالَتْ أُمُّ سَلَمَةَ يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ هَلْ عَلَى الْمَرْأَةِ تَرَى ذَلِكَ غُسْلٌ قَالَ ‏"‏ نَعَمْ إِنَّ النِّسَاءَ شَقَائِقُ الرِّجَالِ ‏"‏ ‏.‏ قَالَ أَبُو عِيسَى وَإِنَّمَا رَوَى هَذَا الْحَدِيثَ عَبْدُ اللَّهِ بْنُ عُمَرَ عَنْ عُبَيْدِ اللَّهِ بْنِ عُمَرَ حَدِيثَ عَائِشَةَ فِي الرَّجُلِ يَجِدُ الْبَلَلَ وَلاَ يَذْكُرُ احْتِلاَمًا ‏.‏ وَعَبْدُ اللَّهِ بْنُ عُمَرَ ضَعَّفَهُ يَحْيَى بْنُ سَعِيدٍ مِنْ قِبَلِ حِفْظِهِ فِي الْحَدِيثِ ‏.‏ وَهُوَ قَوْلُ غَيْرِ وَاحِدٍ مِنْ أَهْلِ الْعِلْمِ مِنْ أَصْحَابِ النَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم وَالتَّابِعِينَ إِذَا اسْتَيْقَظَ الرَّجُلُ فَرَأَى بِلَّةً أَنَّهُ يَغْتَسِلُ ‏.‏ وَهُوَ قَوْلُ سُفْيَانَ الثَّوْرِيِّ وَأَحْمَدَ ‏.‏ وَقَالَ بَعْضُ أَهْلِ الْعِلْمِ مِنَ التَّابِعِينَ إِنَّمَا يَجِبُ عَلَيْهِ الْغُسْلُ إِذَا كَانَتِ الْبِلَّةُ بِلَّةَ نُطْفَةٍ ‏.‏ وَهُوَ قَوْلُ الشَّافِعِيِّ وَإِسْحَاقَ ‏.‏ وَإِذَا رَأَى احْتِلاَمًا وَلَمْ يَرَ بِلَّةً فَلاَ غُسْلَ عَلَيْهِ عِنْدَ عَامَّةِ أَهْلِ الْعِلْمِ

Reference    : Jami` at-Tirmidhi 113

Another reference is in Sunan Abu Dawood 236 ( http://sunnah.com/abudawud/1#236 )
Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin:
The Prophet () was asked about a person who found moisture (on his body or clothes) but did not remember the sexual dream. He replied: He should take a bath. He was asked about a person who remembered that he had a sexual dream but did not find moisture. He replied: Bath is not necessary for him. Umm Salamah then asked: Is washing necessary for a woman if she sees that (in her dream)? He replied: Yes. Woman are counterpart of men.

حَدَّثَنَا قُتَيْبَةُ بْنُ سَعِيدٍ، حَدَّثَنَا حَمَّادُ بْنُ خَالِدٍ الْخَيَّاطُ، حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ اللَّهِ الْعُمَرِيُّ، عَنْ عُبَيْدِ اللَّهِ، عَنِ الْقَاسِمِ، عَنْ عَائِشَةَ، قَالَتْ سُئِلَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم عَنِ الرَّجُلِ يَجِدُ الْبَلَلَ وَلاَ يَذْكُرُ احْتِلاَمًا قَالَ ‏"‏ يَغْتَسِلُ ‏"‏ ‏.‏ وَعَنِ الرَّجُلِ يَرَى أَنَّهُ قَدِ احْتَلَمَ وَلاَ يَجِدُ الْبَلَلَ قَالَ ‏"‏ لاَ غُسْلَ عَلَيْهِ ‏"‏ ‏.‏ فَقَالَتْ أُمُّ سُلَيْمٍ الْمَرْأَةُ تَرَى ذَلِكَ أَعَلَيْهَا غُسْلٌ قَالَ ‏"‏ نَعَمْ إِنَّمَا النِّسَاءُ شَقَائِقُ الرِّجَالِ ‏"‏ ‏.‏

حسن إلا قول أم سليم المرأة ترى الخ (الألباني)   حكم:

As you can see (In arabic) Albani clasifies this as hasan (Good) EXCEPT THE PART ABOUT THE WOMEN, istheir other evidence of the equality of women, or is their another AUTHENTIC reference, and if you find one , can you post the link as well
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Re: Women are the twin halves of men
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2013, 03:00:28 AM »
In truth, the only religious text that grants the right of inheritance
to woman is the Qur'an. Indeed, many of the nations, termed
today as progressive, have conferred upon women the right to inheritance
only in the twentieth century. As for the Qur'an itself, it had
declared unequivocally in the seventh century itself that,

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Re: Women are the twin halves of men
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2013, 05:50:42 AM »
It is the requirement of the Qur'an that there be two female witnesses
in place of one male witness. Is this not a clear care of
injustice against the woman?


While referring to debt transactions the Qur'an states that:
“ If ye are on a journey, and cannot find a scribe, a pledge with
possession (may serve the purpose). And if one of you deposits a
thing on trust with another, let the trustee (faithfully) discharge his
trust, and let him fear his Lord. Conceal not evidence; For whoever
conceals it,- his heart is tainted with sin. And God knoweth all that ye
do.” (2:283)
In fact, this Qur'anic recommendation helps us to comprehend
its divine nature; to comprehend the fact that the Qur'an is, indeed, the
legal commandment of the Creator who is clearly aware of the nature
of man and woman. Here, the Qur'an has not debased woman; it has
only appreciated her inherent weaknesses. Here again, it is the general
law of the Qur'an - that both man and woman must be assigned
their respective roles in each and every field of mutual cooperation
only on principles that are in keeping with the demands of justice -
which ultimately shines forth. The facts mentioned here under will
serve to clarify this point:
One: This verse deals with debt transactions. Since the Qur'an
has conferred all financial responsibilities upon man, it will be the men who will, in general, be involved in economic dealings. Furthermore,
as the intermingling of the sexes is not encouraged in an Islamic society,
it is not natural for women to stand as witnesses in dealings of a mutual
nature between men as also in fields where men alone play the
dominant role. Even if women do become witnesses in any dealing,
whatsoever, they are duty bound to maintain all standards of Islamic
decency. In cases where such norms of decency are adhered to, it
may not always be possible to satisfactorily identify the individuals
involved in the transactions.
Two: Women are, in general, emotional creatures. It is probable
that the woman, who is easily influenced by tides of emotion is led
away from the truth. It may be that the one about whom the testimony
is being made is much more beautiful than the one who makes the
testimony. Or the testimony being made may concern a handsome
youth who arouses the passions in the one who makes the testimony.
There may also be circumstances, which appeal to the maternal instincts
of the one giving testimony. In all such situations, it is quite
possible that her emotional compulsions will ultimately influence her
testimony.
Three: The special constitution of woman’s body sets various
difficulties for her. There are many problems - like the severe mental
agitation during the days immediately prior to the commencement of
the menstrual cycle, physical and mental problems associated with the
early days of pregnancy, difficulties linked to the post menstrual period,
problems during child delivery and the mental strain that is caused
by abortion - all of which are to be faced only by women. Scientific
researches have confirmed the fact that under such circumstances, in
addition to the physical discomfiture, women are subject to various
psychological problems as well. It has been observed that some of
these problems include slowmindedness, lack of concentration, loss of
memory etc. It is essential, however, that all such situations must be
taken into account when the quality of women’s testimony or witness
is the subject of discussion. It is especially relevant that the verse
which recommends that two women are to testify in place of a single
man has also mentioned this “in order that if one errs the other may
remind her.”
In actual fact, therefore, this Qur'anic law has never debased
woman. On the contrary, it has appreciated her weaknesses and limitations
and has recommended the proper solution while yet providing
for her the opportunity to give testimony along with the man. The only
motive behind such a prescription has been to enable one woman to
correct the other on all such occasions where the latter may be subject
to slow mindedness or to a loss of memory. At the same time, the
testimony of a single woman will be fully considered in all cases that
involve only women and wherein it is only her own transactions that
have to be addressed. Here again we are subject to the realization of
the facts that all recommendations of the natural religion is, indeed, in
harmony with nature herself.