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John 14:6
Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Mathe 7:7,8
Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.  For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.

Mathew 5:43-44
43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,

John 3:16
"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

Please feel free to reply if you have any comments or questions. May Almighty God bless you.

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Re: "in all things God works for the good of those who love Him" Romans 8:28
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2013, 04:00:44 PM »
John 14:6
Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Indeed my dear brother.  The Lord Messiah, Jesus, is indeed the way, the Truth and the Life to the hypocrites from the phariseas and others who were corrupt and needed salvation.  After all, Christ is the King of the Jews, and the Messiah.  Islam doesn't deny that.

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Mathe 7:7,8
Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.  For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.

Mathew 5:43-44
43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,

Thank you, dear brother, for the kind and refreshing Commandments from the Prince of Peace and Love.  The Glorious Quran also gives recognition to the exceptional love that the Lord Messiah, Jesus, taught his followers and transformed them into:

[005:082]  Strongest among men in enmity to the believers wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans; and nearest among them in love to the believers wilt thou find those who say, "We are Christians": because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant.

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John 3:16
"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

One and Only Son, my dear brother, means the most beloved one, by Allah Almighty, from among all of the Righteous Servants of Allah Almighty.  This is clearly spelled out in the New Testament.  Please visit: www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm for more details.

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Thank you again for the kind words, dear brother.  You know, when I first established the website back in 1999, I used to have a message on the main page that said: "I love Christians and I have nothing against them."  But then as things got hostile and bitter between us and the anti-Islamics, that message was removed a year or so later.  It is folks like you who always give hope that we can all coexist in peace, to the whole world.  Indeed, Christians like you are full of Geniune Love.  Allah Almighty made it very clear for us, Muslims, in the Glorious Quran.

The Lord Jesus Christ is certainly my Lord and Messiah.  I give my full allegiance to him, if he were to return today, and I would obey him to the death.  But he is most certainly not my Creator.

Take care, and may Allah Almighty bless you.  Ameen.
Osama Abdallah

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Re: "in all things God works for the good of those who love Him" Romans 8:28
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2013, 03:08:02 PM »
Hi Brother,

I thank you for allowing me to post on this site. I will just address a couple of things from your reply. You said that Christ is the King of the Jews. Jesus is the saviour of all mankind; he laid down his life for all of us in his great love.

Secondly, Jesus is God's one and only begotten Son as I said in my first post as well. I believe the bible to be the true word of God and I take it literally. Psalms 12:6-7 : And the words of the Lord are flawless, like silver purified in a crucible, like gold refined seven times. I know there are people who say that it has been altered etc but it has worked in amazing ways in my life and I believe it to be the living word of God. The bible says that those who come to Christ are God's adopted son's: Ephesians 1:5 'he predestined us to be adopted as his sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will--' whereas Jesus is his begotten Son.

John 3:18
18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

Brother, I praise God for giving you an understanding and loving mind. I know that I cannot show you Jesus or his glory because I am only human and therefore I am not higher than you that you should listen to me. I know that you are strong in your faith. There was a time I was confused about Jesus; I would cry and pray to God every day for a long time to reveal the truth to me.  By his faithfulness, he spoke to me and showed me the way. I don't claim to know everything about God:

Isaiah 55:8-9 (God said)
8 “For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
    neither are your ways my ways,”
declares the Lord.
9 “As the heavens are higher than the earth,
    so are my ways higher than your ways
    and my thoughts than your thoughts.

There are so many things I still have to learn but I know about the love my Jesus has for me and like a little child, I now believe in it innocently.  I pray sincerely that you may hear God's voice and continue to love God. I understand you are busy. But in the future, if you have time, it would be great if you could help me to understand your beliefs. For example, you say the Jesus is your Lord and the Messiah. Does that mean you believe he is sent from God as a prophet but you don't believe him to be equal to God? Also, do you believe him to be equal to Prophet Muhammad?

John 14:21 (Jesus said)
The person who has my commandments and obeys them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and will reveal myself to him.”


May God bless you  all :)

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Re: "in all things God works for the good of those who love Him" Romans 8:28
« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2013, 03:38:50 PM »
I love how we can all have sofisticated dialogue
Peace to both of you

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Re: "in all things God works for the good of those who love Him" Romans 8:28
« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2013, 05:01:47 PM »
I love how we can all have sofisticated dialogue
Peace to both of you

We should bring in 'There is only one God' and 'adnaanshaikh195' to make it more sophisticated and civil :). Just make sure we remove all chairs and projectiles, and bring in as many bodies as we can (preferrebly all males) just in case.  LOOLLLLL!!

Brother jesus.breadoflife, I'll reply back to you tonight, insha'Allah (if Allah Almighty is Willing).

Take care,
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Re: "in all things God works for the good of those who love Him" Romans 8:28
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2013, 01:24:58 PM »
I probably didn't get it, but why "preferably all male"
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Re: "in all things God works for the good of those who love Him" Romans 8:28
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2013, 02:00:44 PM »
I probably didn't get it, but why "preferably all male"
peace

Ok joke is burnt.  Because of the possible fist fight that might break out :).  We don't want the ladies to get caught in the middle of all of this.  And more males would be around to break it up.   ;D.

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Re: "in all things God works for the good of those who love Him" Romans 8:28
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2013, 06:17:53 PM »
I love how we can all have sofisticated dialogue
Peace to both of you

We should bring in 'There is only one God' and 'adnaanshaikh195' to make it more sophisticated and civil :). Just make sure we remove all chairs and projectiles, and bring in as many bodies as we can (preferrebly all males) just in case.  LOOLLLLL!!

Brother jesus.breadoflife, I'll reply back to you tonight, insha'Allah (if Allah Almighty is Willing).

Take care,
Osama Abdallah
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Shhh.. me and 'There is only one God' are cool with each other now,

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Re: "in all things God works for the good of those who love Him" Romans 8:28
« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2013, 06:27:03 PM »
I probably didn't get it, but why "preferably all male"
peace

Ok joke is burnt.  Because of the possible fist fight that might break out :).  We don't want the ladies to get caught in the middle of all of this.  And more males would be around to break it up.   ;D.
I know youmight think im slow, (Ill admit, Im actually am VERY slow), bu i still dont get it

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Re: "in all things God works for the good of those who love Him" Romans 8:28
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2013, 09:25:34 PM »
Peace be upon you brother Jesus.breadoflife,

Sorry for taking too long to reply.  The answer to your points is thoroughly demonstrated at: www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm.

Please study this article carefully, because it is definitely the website's #1 article, and it thoroughly demonstrates Islam's position, and also the Bible's real and correct position towards Trinity, Jesus Christ, and everything you believe in from the Bible.

I hope this helps, insha'Allah.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Re: "in all things God works for the good of those who love Him" Romans 8:28
« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2013, 12:48:45 PM »
The Wisdom of the Bible - Scientific Facts

Job 26:7 - He stretches out the north over empty space; [He] hangs the earth on nothing. While other sources declared the earth sat on the back of an elephant or turtle, or was held up by Atlas, the Bible states what we now know to be true – “He hangs the earth on nothing.”

Hebrews 11:3 - By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible.
Matter is made up of atoms which cannot be seen.

Leviticus 15:13 - 'And when he who has a discharge is cleansed of his discharge, then he shall count for himself seven days for his cleansing, wash his clothes, and bathe his body in running water; then he shall be clean.
For centuries people washed in still water. Today we recognize the need to wash away germs with fresh water as stated in the Bible long ago.

Isaiah 40:22 [It is] he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof [are] as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in [/color]
Earth is spherical
 
Luke 17:34, 35
"I tell you, in that night there will be two [men] in one bed: the one will be taken and the other will be left.
"Two [women] will be grinding together: the one will be taken and the other left.

This passage describes the Lord’s second coming. It shows earth is revolving as it will be night and day at the same time.

Jude 1:13
raging waves of the sea, foaming up their own shame; wandering stars for whom is reserved the blackness of darkness forever.

Black holes described

Ecclesiates 1:7
All the rivers run into the sea, Yet the sea [is] not full; To the place from which the rivers come, There they return again.
Jeremiah 10:13
When He utters His voice, [There is] a multitude of waters in the heavens: "And He causes the vapors to ascend from the ends of the earth. He makes lightning for the rain, He brings the wind out of His treasuries."
Job 36:27,28
“He draws up the drops of water,
    which distill as rain to the streams[a];
the clouds pour down their moisture
    and abundant showers fall on mankind.

The water cycle is described in the Bible. The main stages of the hydrological cycle are now understood to be evaporation, condesation and precipitation.

Jeremiah 12:4
How long will the land mourn, And the herbs of every field wither? The beasts and birds are consumed, For the wickedness of those who dwell there, Because they said, "He will not see our final end."
Extinction is explained. Since Adam and Eve sinned, there has been mourning and death among all creation.

Job 28:25
To establish a weight for the wind, And apportion the waters by measure.

It was once thought that air was weightless. Yet 4,000 years ago Job declared that God established “a weight for the wind.”

1 Corinthians 15:41
41 The sun has one kind of splendor, the moon another and the stars another; and star differs from star in splendor.

The Bible says that each start is unique. It is now accepted that stars very in size and intensity.

Job 38:24 By what way is the light parted, which scattereth the east wind upon the earth?
Light can be split into its components.


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Re: "in all things God works for the good of those who love Him" Romans 8:28
« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2013, 01:11:39 PM »
Peace be upon you dear brother jesus.breadoflife,

Thank you for the Biblical verses.  While I am not sure that I agree with your interpretation on some of them, but most certainly we Muslims believe that the Bible may contain actual Divine Truth in it.  In other words, actual Holy Quran in it.  But whether it has actual un-altered Divine Revelations in it or not, we all agree that the Bible does contain Commands and Verses in it that are close to the original Truth.  So while their text may not be original, but their contents may.

Please visit: www.answering-christianity.com/warning.htm for more details.

But regardless brother, the points that are mentioned in the article at: www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm are not refuted by presenting Scientific Miracles from the Bible.  To me what they mean is that we should investigate the Bible more in the Light and Context of Islam. 

I hope this helps, insha'Allah (if Allah Almighty is Willing).

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Re: "in all things God works for the good of those who love Him" Romans 8:28
« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2013, 02:09:16 PM »
Hi brother Osama,

The previous message was accidentally posted before I could finish it. I started to answer some of the points on the answering-christianity in my first post (http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,861.msg2582.html#msg2582). Please read it when you have time. Also, you are welcome to explain which interpretations you disagree with.

I draw your attention to a verse in the Quran - Qur’an 18:83-86—And they ask you about Dhul-Qarnain. Say: “I shall recite to you something of his story.” Verily, We established him in the earth, and We gave him the means of everything. So he followed a way. Until, when he reached the setting place of the sun, he found it setting in a spring of black muddy (or hot) water. And he found near it a people. How can anyone find where the Sun sets? The Sun is also much larger than the earth.

Qur'an 23:14 Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump; then we made out of that lump bones then (not and) clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, the best to create!

There seems to be a scientific error in this verse. According to modern embryologists including Professor Moore, the tissue from which bone originates - known as mesoderm - is the same tissue as that from which muscle (flesh) develops. Thus bone and muscle begin to develop simultaneously, rather than sequentially (as the Qur’an seems to be telling us).
 
The idea that bones are clothed with flesh is not only scientifically completely wrong, but seems to be directly copied from the ancient Greek doctor Galen’s hypothesis.

I direct you to another site which highlights a couple of further examples - http://www.answering-islam.org/BehindVeil/btv6.html

Brother, I posted the previous verses to highlight the wisdom in God's word. We cannot even begin to understand God and his works by using our brains and by looking at what seems right to us.

Job 11:7-9
 â€œCan you find out the deep things of God?
    Can you find out the limit of the Almighty?
8 It is higher than heaven[c]—what can you do?
    Deeper than Sheol—what can you know?
9 Its measure is longer than the earth
    and broader than the sea.

His wisdom is far above ours. We can only know him if we open our hearts to Him; love God with all your heart - he can show you the truth more than I can. I do not know of any other God who could speak to me and answer me so clearly and miraculously when I pray to him and fill me with such joy in his presence. Whatever you may say about the Bible, I can see the words that are written in it coming true in my life.

God bless you,
John 14:27 Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid.

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Re: "in all things God works for the good of those who love Him" Romans 8:28
« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2013, 02:38:06 PM »
Hi Jesus.breadoflife. I just looked up your question on Quran 23: 14 and someone else asked that same question word for word on IslamToday. Maybe you should look at that article.

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« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2013, 03:26:54 PM »
Hi brother,

I did read the explanation on the site but it was not satisfactory.

Surah 23:14 Then fashioned We the drop a clot, then fashioned We the clot a little lump, then fashioned We the little lump bones, then clothed the bones with flesh, and then produced it as another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of creators!

To me this means a skeleton was created first and then clothed with flesh; I cannot see any other interpretation. However, I do see that depending on the version/translation, it varies. [http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Versions/023.014.html] Some say that the flesh came first, then the bone from the lump of flesh and then the flesh to clothe the bone but that is not the same as it being simultaneous.

May God bless you.

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« Reply #15 on: January 31, 2013, 03:35:06 PM »
Hi brother,

I did read the explanation on the site but it was not satisfactory.

Surah 23:14 Then fashioned We the drop a clot, then fashioned We the clot a little lump, then fashioned We the little lump bones, then clothed the bones with flesh, and then produced it as another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of creators!

To me this means a skeleton was created first and then clothed with flesh; I cannot see any other interpretation. However, I do see that depending on the version/translation, it varies. [http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Versions/023.014.html] Some say that the flesh came first, then the bone from the lump of flesh and then the flesh to clothe the bone but that is not the same as it being simultaneous.

May God bless you.

Peace be upon you brother Jesus.breadoflife,

Please visit this article: http://www.answering-christianity.com/bones_then_muscles_wrapping.htm.  Tons of quotes and research are presented in this article.  The Overwhelming Scientific Miracles of the Glorious Quran are far more solid than one may think, brother.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Re: "in all things God works for the good of those who love Him" Romans 8:28
« Reply #16 on: January 31, 2013, 03:47:38 PM »
Hi brother,

I did read the explanation on the site but it was not satisfactory.

Surah 23:14 Then fashioned We the drop a clot, then fashioned We the clot a little lump, then fashioned We the little lump bones, then clothed the bones with flesh, and then produced it as another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of creators!

To me this means a skeleton was created first and then clothed with flesh; I cannot see any other interpretation. However, I do see that depending on the version/translation, it varies. [http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Versions/023.014.html] Some say that the flesh came first, then the bone from the lump of flesh and then the flesh to clothe the bone but that is not the same as it being simultaneous.

May God bless you.
Ah I see. Well I hope you get an answer. I don't know anything on embryology lol.

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« Reply #17 on: January 31, 2013, 07:24:29 PM »
One question to you Jesus.bread, why do you Christians mention Jesus (peace be upon him) more then you mention God?

God is the creator of Jesus ([peace be upon him), he is greater than Jesus (peace be upon him).

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« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2013, 02:17:44 AM »
Hi adnaanshaikh195,

We love God the Father as chose to give us his only begotten Son so that whoever believes in him may have eternal life.

Loving Jesus and accepting him is exactly the same as accepting God the Father. The verse below shows that whoever accepts Jesus is accepting God:
John 13:20 - Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever receives the one I send receives me, and whoever receives me receives the one who sent me.”
Also, God wants us to listen to Jesus:
Mathew 17:5 - He was still speaking when, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them, and a voice from the cloud said, “This is my beloved Son,[a] with whom I am well pleased; listen to him.”
Hebrews 12:24
24 and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.
Jesus is the mediator of the new covenant between us and God. He shed his blood so that we may be rid of our sins. These are some of the points of the new covenant:

John 3:5-6
5 Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.[a]
Mark 16:16
16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
Acts 4:10-12
10 let it be known to all of you and to all the people of Israel that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead—by him this man is standing before you well. 11 This Jesus[a] is the stone that was rejected by you, the builders, which has become the cornerstone. 12 And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men[c] by which we must be saved.”

These verses show that Jesus is the only saviour. There is no salvation in any other name. Jesus himself says that you cannot go to the Father unless you go through Jesus.

John 14:6
6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

God bless you. I hope this has answered your question. Jesus has loved us and he laid down his life for us so that we may live. He did the will Father. As Christians, we love Jesus and God the Father. If you have any further comments/questions, please feel free to reply.

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« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2013, 02:42:01 AM »
Hi adnaanshaikh195,

We love God the Father as chose to give us his only begotten Son so that whoever believes in him may have eternal life.

Loving Jesus and accepting him is exactly the same as accepting God the Father. The verse below shows that whoever accepts Jesus is accepting God:
John 13:20 - Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever receives the one I send receives me, and whoever receives me receives the one who sent me.”
Also, God wants us to listen to Jesus:
Mathew 17:5 - He was still speaking when, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them, and a voice from the cloud said, “This is my beloved Son,[a] with whom I am well pleased; listen to him.”
Hebrews 12:24
24 and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.
Jesus is the mediator of the new covenant between us and God. He shed his blood so that we may be rid of our sins. These are some of the points of the new covenant:

John 3:5-6
5 Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.[a]
Mark 16:16
16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
Acts 4:10-12
10 let it be known to all of you and to all the people of Israel that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead—by him this man is standing before you well. 11 This Jesus[a] is the stone that was rejected by you, the builders, which has become the cornerstone. 12 And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men[c] by which we must be saved.”

These verses show that Jesus is the only saviour. There is no salvation in any other name. Jesus himself says that you cannot go to the Father unless you go through Jesus.

John 14:6
6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

God bless you. I hope this has answered your question. Jesus has loved us and he laid down his life for us so that we may live. He did the will Father. As Christians, we love Jesus and God the Father. If you have any further comments/questions, please feel free to reply.

WRONG!!! It's because you were born into filthy indoctrination. You didn't choose this. It's because you were born into the post Constantine's (evil Roman warlord) empire. Jesus is the mediator of the new covenant between us and God. "
He shed his blood so that we may be rid of our sins."
It's a meaningless sacrifice if I wasn't even born back then. The Sun was considered to be the only begotten Son of God, in Greek: Hueios and Helios, Sun and Son. Sol Invictus, the unconquered Sun, celebrated on Dec. 25.

"Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned"
Baptism isn't new to Christianity. Oh and btw, The Sun was 'baptized' by Aquarius, the water bearer, in January. Most Christian sects celebrate the "baptism of Jesus" in January, the Aquarius constellation is in January! Oh and, do aborted babies go to hell according to that verse?

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Re: "in all things God works for the good of those who love Him" Romans 8:28
« Reply #20 on: February 01, 2013, 06:47:10 AM »
You are right dear brother, I didn't choose this - God chose me. John 15:16 - You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, he may give it to you.

We are born again Christians and do not believe in baptising babies. There is a lot of false teaching which does not agree with the Holy Bible in some churches. We have believer's baptism which means that you are baptised when you are old enough to understand and accept Jesus as your personal saviour. Babies that die without being baptised will undoubtedly go to heaven - they are not blemished by the sins of this world.

Mathew 19:14
14 Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.”


As for the saints of God who died before Jesus was crucified, they still believed in Jesus's name. The Old Testament has numerous references to the Messiah given to us through prophets such as Isaiah.
1 Peter 1:10,11 - Concerning this salvation, the prophets who prophesied about the grace that was to be yours searched and inquired carefully, 11 inquiring what person or time the Spirit of Christ in them was indicating when he predicted the sufferings of Christ and the subsequent glories.

Isaiah chapter 53 is an example of Isaiah prophesying in the Holy Spirit regarding Jesus - http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=isaiah%2053&version=ESV

You can see that the gospel was preached to the people of the Old Testament -
1 Peter 4:6 - For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to men in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit.

We can see that there is a foreshadow of baptism in the Old Testament as Noah was saved in the water.

1 Peter 3:20-22 - 20 to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, 21 and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God.[e] It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 22 who has gone into heaven and is at God’s right hand—with angels, authorities and powers in submission to him.

Also, 1 Corintians 10:1-3
10 For I do not want you to be ignorant of the fact, brothers and sisters, that our ancestors were all under the cloud and that they all passed through the sea.
2 They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea.
3 and all ate the same spiritual food,


This shows that salvation is not only for the people who were alive after Christ but also for whoever believed in Him before he came to the Earth as well - they had heard God's promise and believed in it.

Also, I do not celebrate Christmas or Easter or any other such tradition according to the true teaching of the Bible -

Colossians 2:8
8 See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits[a] of the world, and not according to Christ.
To those who do not follow the teaching of Christ, this is what God says:

Mark 7:7,8
in vain do they worship me,
    teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’
You leave the commandment of God and hold to the tradition of men.”


Therefore, you can see that not all who call themselves Christian will go to the kingdom of God but whoever does the will of God and lives according to his Word. I also ask you to not mock others - in every religion there are people who try to do the will of God and others who please themselves. Like I said, it is not the religion that is important but loving the true God with all your heart. What does it mean to love God? To obey his commands and listen to his voice.

May God bless you and reveal his glory to you :)

Exodus 15:2
The Lord is my strength and my song, and he has become my salvation; this is my God, and I will praise him

Praise the Lord!

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Re: "in all things God works for the good of those who love Him" Romans 8:28
« Reply #21 on: February 01, 2013, 07:01:18 AM »
Meanwhile, the LORD instructed one of the group of prophets to say to another man, "Strike me!"  But the man refused to strike the prophet.  Then the prophet told him, "Because you have not obeyed the voice of the LORD, a lion will kill you as soon as you leave me."  And sure enough, when he had gone, a lion attacked and killed him.  (1 Kings 20:35-36 NLT)

yea... Noah's ark. In the Qur'an, only the people of the land who Noah preached to died in the flood. In the bible however...

There is absolutely no evidence the entire world was once submerged in water. Not only that, but Jesus wasn't the only one to die for our sins. Notably:

    Thulis of Egypt – 1700 B.C.

    Krishna of India – 1200 B.C.

    Crite of Chaldea – 1200 B.C.

    Atys of Phrygia – 1170 B.C.

    Tammuz of Syria – 1160 B.C.

    Hesus of the Celtic Druids – 834 B.C.

    Indra of Tibet – 725 B.C.

    Bali of Orissa – 725 B.C.

    IAO of Nepal – 622 B.C.

    Sakia of the Hindus – 600 B.C.

    Alcestos of Euripides – 600 B.C.

    Mithra of Persia – 600 B.C.

    Quetzalcoatl of Mexico – 587 B.C.

    Wittoba of the Telingonesh – 552 B.C.

    Prometheus of Caucasus – 547 B.C.

    Quirinus of Rome – 506 B.C.

Bolded are those that still have religion today.

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Re: "in all things God works for the good of those who love Him" Romans 8:28
« Reply #22 on: February 01, 2013, 09:34:43 AM »
As I do not have extensive knowledge of Noah's Ark and the history of it, I direct you to a couple of links -

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/nab/really-a-flood-and-ark
http://www.earthage.org/EarthOldorYoung/scientific_evidence_for_a_worldwide_flood.htm
http://www.layevangelism.com/advtxbk/sections/sect-10/sec10-5.htm

There are many Gods who are of the people but none so perfect as Jesus. For instance, looking at Krishna - it is said in the stories that he caused he enchanted all the women - those who were married and unmarried. Why should anyone follow such a 'God'?

Jesus on the other hand was perfect - sinless and without blemish.

1 Peter 1:18-19
18 knowing that you were ransomed from the futile ways inherited from your forefathers, not with perishable things such as silver or gold, 19 but with the precious blood of Christ, like that of a lamb without blemish or spot.

Also, among all the 'Gods' found in the world, there is no other who can speak to me like my God Almighty. 

Psalms 115:4-8
4 Their idols are silver and gold,
    the work of human hands.
5 They have mouths, but do not speak;
    eyes, but do not see.
6 They have ears, but do not hear;
    noses, but do not smell.
7 They have hands, but do not feel;
    feet, but do not walk;
    and they do not make a sound in their throat.
8 Those who make them become like them;
    so do all who trust in them.

I cannot reject him because I have heard his voice and seen his love.  I urge you to pray to God and seek his voice. I pray sincerely to the Lord that you may also receive that from God. God bless you.


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Re: "in all things God works for the good of those who love Him" Romans 8:28
« Reply #23 on: February 01, 2013, 10:08:54 AM »


WRONG!!! It's because you were born into filthy indoctrination. You didn't choose this. It's because you were born into the post Constantine's (evil Roman warlord) empire. Jesus is the mediator of the new covenant between us and God. "
He shed his blood so that we may be rid of our sins."
It's a meaningless sacrifice if I wasn't even born back then. The Sun was considered to be the only begotten Son of God, in Greek: Hueios and Helios, Sun and Son. Sol Invictus, the unconquered Sun, celebrated on Dec. 25.

"Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned"
Baptism isn't new to Christianity. Oh and btw, The Sun was 'baptized' by Aquarius, the water bearer, in January. Most Christian sects celebrate the "baptism of Jesus" in January, the Aquarius constellation is in January! Oh and, do aborted babies go to hell according to that verse?
*Facepalm* Bro respect jesus.breadoflife.