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Re: "in all things God works for the good of those who love Him" Romans 8:28
« Reply #15 on: January 31, 2013, 03:35:06 PM »
Hi brother,

I did read the explanation on the site but it was not satisfactory.

Surah 23:14 Then fashioned We the drop a clot, then fashioned We the clot a little lump, then fashioned We the little lump bones, then clothed the bones with flesh, and then produced it as another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of creators!

To me this means a skeleton was created first and then clothed with flesh; I cannot see any other interpretation. However, I do see that depending on the version/translation, it varies. [http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Versions/023.014.html] Some say that the flesh came first, then the bone from the lump of flesh and then the flesh to clothe the bone but that is not the same as it being simultaneous.

May God bless you.

Peace be upon you brother Jesus.breadoflife,

Please visit this article: http://www.answering-christianity.com/bones_then_muscles_wrapping.htm.  Tons of quotes and research are presented in this article.  The Overwhelming Scientific Miracles of the Glorious Quran are far more solid than one may think, brother.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Re: "in all things God works for the good of those who love Him" Romans 8:28
« Reply #16 on: January 31, 2013, 03:47:38 PM »
Hi brother,

I did read the explanation on the site but it was not satisfactory.

Surah 23:14 Then fashioned We the drop a clot, then fashioned We the clot a little lump, then fashioned We the little lump bones, then clothed the bones with flesh, and then produced it as another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of creators!

To me this means a skeleton was created first and then clothed with flesh; I cannot see any other interpretation. However, I do see that depending on the version/translation, it varies. [http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Versions/023.014.html] Some say that the flesh came first, then the bone from the lump of flesh and then the flesh to clothe the bone but that is not the same as it being simultaneous.

May God bless you.
Ah I see. Well I hope you get an answer. I don't know anything on embryology lol.

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Re: "in all things God works for the good of those who love Him" Romans 8:28
« Reply #17 on: January 31, 2013, 07:24:29 PM »
One question to you Jesus.bread, why do you Christians mention Jesus (peace be upon him) more then you mention God?

God is the creator of Jesus ([peace be upon him), he is greater than Jesus (peace be upon him).

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Re: "in all things God works for the good of those who love Him" Romans 8:28
« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2013, 02:17:44 AM »
Hi adnaanshaikh195,

We love God the Father as chose to give us his only begotten Son so that whoever believes in him may have eternal life.

Loving Jesus and accepting him is exactly the same as accepting God the Father. The verse below shows that whoever accepts Jesus is accepting God:
John 13:20 - Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever receives the one I send receives me, and whoever receives me receives the one who sent me.”
Also, God wants us to listen to Jesus:
Mathew 17:5 - He was still speaking when, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them, and a voice from the cloud said, “This is my beloved Son,[a] with whom I am well pleased; listen to him.”
Hebrews 12:24
24 and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.
Jesus is the mediator of the new covenant between us and God. He shed his blood so that we may be rid of our sins. These are some of the points of the new covenant:

John 3:5-6
5 Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.[a]
Mark 16:16
16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
Acts 4:10-12
10 let it be known to all of you and to all the people of Israel that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead—by him this man is standing before you well. 11 This Jesus[a] is the stone that was rejected by you, the builders, which has become the cornerstone. 12 And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men[c] by which we must be saved.”

These verses show that Jesus is the only saviour. There is no salvation in any other name. Jesus himself says that you cannot go to the Father unless you go through Jesus.

John 14:6
6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

God bless you. I hope this has answered your question. Jesus has loved us and he laid down his life for us so that we may live. He did the will Father. As Christians, we love Jesus and God the Father. If you have any further comments/questions, please feel free to reply.

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Re: "in all things God works for the good of those who love Him" Romans 8:28
« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2013, 02:42:01 AM »
Hi adnaanshaikh195,

We love God the Father as chose to give us his only begotten Son so that whoever believes in him may have eternal life.

Loving Jesus and accepting him is exactly the same as accepting God the Father. The verse below shows that whoever accepts Jesus is accepting God:
John 13:20 - Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever receives the one I send receives me, and whoever receives me receives the one who sent me.”
Also, God wants us to listen to Jesus:
Mathew 17:5 - He was still speaking when, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them, and a voice from the cloud said, “This is my beloved Son,[a] with whom I am well pleased; listen to him.”
Hebrews 12:24
24 and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.
Jesus is the mediator of the new covenant between us and God. He shed his blood so that we may be rid of our sins. These are some of the points of the new covenant:

John 3:5-6
5 Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.[a]
Mark 16:16
16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
Acts 4:10-12
10 let it be known to all of you and to all the people of Israel that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead—by him this man is standing before you well. 11 This Jesus[a] is the stone that was rejected by you, the builders, which has become the cornerstone. 12 And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men[c] by which we must be saved.”

These verses show that Jesus is the only saviour. There is no salvation in any other name. Jesus himself says that you cannot go to the Father unless you go through Jesus.

John 14:6
6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

God bless you. I hope this has answered your question. Jesus has loved us and he laid down his life for us so that we may live. He did the will Father. As Christians, we love Jesus and God the Father. If you have any further comments/questions, please feel free to reply.

WRONG!!! It's because you were born into filthy indoctrination. You didn't choose this. It's because you were born into the post Constantine's (evil Roman warlord) empire. Jesus is the mediator of the new covenant between us and God. "
He shed his blood so that we may be rid of our sins."
It's a meaningless sacrifice if I wasn't even born back then. The Sun was considered to be the only begotten Son of God, in Greek: Hueios and Helios, Sun and Son. Sol Invictus, the unconquered Sun, celebrated on Dec. 25.

"Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned"
Baptism isn't new to Christianity. Oh and btw, The Sun was 'baptized' by Aquarius, the water bearer, in January. Most Christian sects celebrate the "baptism of Jesus" in January, the Aquarius constellation is in January! Oh and, do aborted babies go to hell according to that verse?

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Re: "in all things God works for the good of those who love Him" Romans 8:28
« Reply #20 on: February 01, 2013, 06:47:10 AM »
You are right dear brother, I didn't choose this - God chose me. John 15:16 - You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, he may give it to you.

We are born again Christians and do not believe in baptising babies. There is a lot of false teaching which does not agree with the Holy Bible in some churches. We have believer's baptism which means that you are baptised when you are old enough to understand and accept Jesus as your personal saviour. Babies that die without being baptised will undoubtedly go to heaven - they are not blemished by the sins of this world.

Mathew 19:14
14 Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.”


As for the saints of God who died before Jesus was crucified, they still believed in Jesus's name. The Old Testament has numerous references to the Messiah given to us through prophets such as Isaiah.
1 Peter 1:10,11 - Concerning this salvation, the prophets who prophesied about the grace that was to be yours searched and inquired carefully, 11 inquiring what person or time the Spirit of Christ in them was indicating when he predicted the sufferings of Christ and the subsequent glories.

Isaiah chapter 53 is an example of Isaiah prophesying in the Holy Spirit regarding Jesus - http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=isaiah%2053&version=ESV

You can see that the gospel was preached to the people of the Old Testament -
1 Peter 4:6 - For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to men in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit.

We can see that there is a foreshadow of baptism in the Old Testament as Noah was saved in the water.

1 Peter 3:20-22 - 20 to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, 21 and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God.[e] It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 22 who has gone into heaven and is at God’s right hand—with angels, authorities and powers in submission to him.

Also, 1 Corintians 10:1-3
10 For I do not want you to be ignorant of the fact, brothers and sisters, that our ancestors were all under the cloud and that they all passed through the sea.
2 They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea.
3 and all ate the same spiritual food,


This shows that salvation is not only for the people who were alive after Christ but also for whoever believed in Him before he came to the Earth as well - they had heard God's promise and believed in it.

Also, I do not celebrate Christmas or Easter or any other such tradition according to the true teaching of the Bible -

Colossians 2:8
8 See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits[a] of the world, and not according to Christ.
To those who do not follow the teaching of Christ, this is what God says:

Mark 7:7,8
in vain do they worship me,
    teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’
You leave the commandment of God and hold to the tradition of men.”


Therefore, you can see that not all who call themselves Christian will go to the kingdom of God but whoever does the will of God and lives according to his Word. I also ask you to not mock others - in every religion there are people who try to do the will of God and others who please themselves. Like I said, it is not the religion that is important but loving the true God with all your heart. What does it mean to love God? To obey his commands and listen to his voice.

May God bless you and reveal his glory to you :)

Exodus 15:2
The Lord is my strength and my song, and he has become my salvation; this is my God, and I will praise him

Praise the Lord!

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Re: "in all things God works for the good of those who love Him" Romans 8:28
« Reply #21 on: February 01, 2013, 07:01:18 AM »
Meanwhile, the LORD instructed one of the group of prophets to say to another man, "Strike me!"  But the man refused to strike the prophet.  Then the prophet told him, "Because you have not obeyed the voice of the LORD, a lion will kill you as soon as you leave me."  And sure enough, when he had gone, a lion attacked and killed him.  (1 Kings 20:35-36 NLT)

yea... Noah's ark. In the Qur'an, only the people of the land who Noah preached to died in the flood. In the bible however...

There is absolutely no evidence the entire world was once submerged in water. Not only that, but Jesus wasn't the only one to die for our sins. Notably:

    Thulis of Egypt – 1700 B.C.

    Krishna of India – 1200 B.C.

    Crite of Chaldea – 1200 B.C.

    Atys of Phrygia – 1170 B.C.

    Tammuz of Syria – 1160 B.C.

    Hesus of the Celtic Druids – 834 B.C.

    Indra of Tibet – 725 B.C.

    Bali of Orissa – 725 B.C.

    IAO of Nepal – 622 B.C.

    Sakia of the Hindus – 600 B.C.

    Alcestos of Euripides – 600 B.C.

    Mithra of Persia – 600 B.C.

    Quetzalcoatl of Mexico – 587 B.C.

    Wittoba of the Telingonesh – 552 B.C.

    Prometheus of Caucasus – 547 B.C.

    Quirinus of Rome – 506 B.C.

Bolded are those that still have religion today.

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Re: "in all things God works for the good of those who love Him" Romans 8:28
« Reply #22 on: February 01, 2013, 09:34:43 AM »
As I do not have extensive knowledge of Noah's Ark and the history of it, I direct you to a couple of links -

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/nab/really-a-flood-and-ark
http://www.earthage.org/EarthOldorYoung/scientific_evidence_for_a_worldwide_flood.htm
http://www.layevangelism.com/advtxbk/sections/sect-10/sec10-5.htm

There are many Gods who are of the people but none so perfect as Jesus. For instance, looking at Krishna - it is said in the stories that he caused he enchanted all the women - those who were married and unmarried. Why should anyone follow such a 'God'?

Jesus on the other hand was perfect - sinless and without blemish.

1 Peter 1:18-19
18 knowing that you were ransomed from the futile ways inherited from your forefathers, not with perishable things such as silver or gold, 19 but with the precious blood of Christ, like that of a lamb without blemish or spot.

Also, among all the 'Gods' found in the world, there is no other who can speak to me like my God Almighty. 

Psalms 115:4-8
4 Their idols are silver and gold,
    the work of human hands.
5 They have mouths, but do not speak;
    eyes, but do not see.
6 They have ears, but do not hear;
    noses, but do not smell.
7 They have hands, but do not feel;
    feet, but do not walk;
    and they do not make a sound in their throat.
8 Those who make them become like them;
    so do all who trust in them.

I cannot reject him because I have heard his voice and seen his love.  I urge you to pray to God and seek his voice. I pray sincerely to the Lord that you may also receive that from God. God bless you.


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Re: "in all things God works for the good of those who love Him" Romans 8:28
« Reply #23 on: February 01, 2013, 10:08:54 AM »


WRONG!!! It's because you were born into filthy indoctrination. You didn't choose this. It's because you were born into the post Constantine's (evil Roman warlord) empire. Jesus is the mediator of the new covenant between us and God. "
He shed his blood so that we may be rid of our sins."
It's a meaningless sacrifice if I wasn't even born back then. The Sun was considered to be the only begotten Son of God, in Greek: Hueios and Helios, Sun and Son. Sol Invictus, the unconquered Sun, celebrated on Dec. 25.

"Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned"
Baptism isn't new to Christianity. Oh and btw, The Sun was 'baptized' by Aquarius, the water bearer, in January. Most Christian sects celebrate the "baptism of Jesus" in January, the Aquarius constellation is in January! Oh and, do aborted babies go to hell according to that verse?
*Facepalm* Bro respect jesus.breadoflife.