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Somebody Explain Qur'an 3:35-37
« on: August 22, 2012, 12:48:47 AM »
Salam.


Please enlighten me with Qur'an 3:35-37.

Who is Im'ran? (I'm serious with this!)  :(

Is he a "direct biological father" to (Virgin) Mary? (Also, I'm serious with this!)  :(

Who is that Mary there? (I'm extremely serious!)  :(

Sukran


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Re: Somebody Explain Qur'an 3:35-37
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2012, 07:21:43 AM »
Selamin Aleykum,

Our brother is refering to these verses. Well, the Surah means 'Family of Imran', and so, looking at the different translations Mary is the daughter of Imran. [source]]

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all are the ayah's referring to Mary by multiple translators. I don't really want to take a conclusion, I'd rather leave it to someone who has a better understanding of the Noble Quran.

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Re: Somebody Explain Qur'an 3:35-37
« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2012, 07:33:19 AM »
Assalamualaikom


some suggestions to the verse that the term  "sister of Harun",was metaphorical,hence the suggested meaning, is that Mary sister of Aaron in faith etc,or  Brotherhood in clan as Mary was descended from Aaron ....  but I'm not convinced to that understanding ...


The answer I'm convinced to, is in the following Hadith :

Mughira b. Shu'ba reported:  "When I came to Najran, they (the Christians of Najran) asked me:  You read "O sister of Harun (Aaron)" (i. e. Mary) in the Qur'an, whereas Moses was born much before Jesus.   When I came back to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) I asked him about that, whereupon he said:  The people of the old age used to give names after the names of Apostles and pious persons who had gone before them. (Sahih Muslim, The Book on General Behaviour )"

The meaning of the Hadith is that such similarity was due to ,people in old ages (and even some in modern times) ,like to give names to their new born babies after the names of Apostles and pious persons, who had gone before them.
 ... in other words ,the Mary's Im'ran  is not Moses' Im'ran .... and that Mary"mother of Jesus" had a literal brother named Harun , but not the brother of the prophet Moses (peace be upon them all)...

 
would you be amazed for example, if you find a Muslim living in current times , whose name is Mohamed ,naming his children Fatima ,Zainab ,Ibrahim ... and his daughter Fatima having children naming them Hassan and Hussein etc..?

assalamualaikom
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Re: Somebody Explain Qur'an 3:35-37
« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2012, 10:40:01 AM »
What does sister of Aaron mean? In accordance with Arabic idiom, it may be taken to mean that she was a member of Aaron's house. For according to the known Arabic linguistic tradition, a person is referred to as the brother of the tribe to which he belongs. What enraged the public was that the apparently scandalous incident involved a girl who belonged to the most highly pious Israelite family - the house of Aaron.
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Re: Somebody Explain Qur'an 3:35-37
« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2012, 03:43:16 AM »
Salam.

Thanks mates.

I hope that 1 day Admin-Osama will give his piece here.

I want to know if this Im'ran (peace be upon him and his family whoever he was) is the biological father of Mary, mother of Jesus (peace be upon them). Because when I analyze 3:35-37 (http://quran.com/3/35-37), it sounds like he is Mary's "direct" biological father.


Sukran.


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Re: Somebody Explain Qur'an 3:35-37
« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2012, 08:53:16 AM »
I want to know if this Im'ran (peace be upon him and his family whoever he was) is the biological father of Mary, mother of Jesus (peace be upon them).


Imran has to be the biological father of Mary...

as even if some would argue that "daughter " in the following verse :

Holy Quran 66:12 And Mary the daughter of 'Imran, who guarded her chastity.

could be a metaphorical daughter , or a remote descendant of Imran , still the following verse leaves no doubt that Imran is the direct the biological father of Mary :

Holy Quran 3:35(Remember) when the wife of ( imraatu ) 'Imran said: My Lord! I have vowed unto Thee that which is in my belly as a consecrated (offering). Accept it from me. Lo! Thou, only Thou, art the Hearer, the Knower!


the translators who rendered the word " imraatu" as (a woman of [the House of] `Imran ) , eg:
Yusuf Ali, Shakir, and Sher Ali ,Assad

are CLEARLY WRONG !!

In the Quran the structure " imraatu X" means always " the wife of X"


Surah 12:30   imraatu alAAazeezi
The wife of the 'Aziz 

Surah 28:9 : imraatu firAAawna
The wife of Pharaoh

Surah 66:10 imraata noohin
the wife of Noah

Surah 66:10: imraata lootin
the wife of Lut

That Mary mother of Jesus,according to the Holy Quran, had a direct  biological father that was called Imran (just as lots of Jews had the same name then) is something should be above questioning....


Assalamualaikom

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Re: Somebody Explain Qur'an 3:35-37
« Reply #7 on: September 29, 2012, 12:27:22 PM »
As-Salâmu `Alaykum Wa Rahmatullâhi Wa Barakâtuh,
The sister of Prophet Zechariah's (peace and blessings be upon him) wife had a daughter called Hannah. She was married to a man named Imran, who was a leader of the Israelites. For years the couple remained childless. Hannah's longing for a baby increased whenever she saw another woman with a child, and even though years had passed, she never lost hope. She had faith that one day, Allâh, the Almighty and Sublime, would bless her with a child on whom she would shower all her motherly love. 
Hannah turned to the Lord of the Universe and begged Him for a child. She would offer the child in the service of the Temple of Jerusalem. Finally, Almighty Allâh granted her request. When she was aware that she was pregnant, she was probably the happiest woman alive, and both, her and her overjoyed husband, Imran, thanked Allâh the Almighty for His gift. Unfortunately, Hannah's husband died while she was pregnant, causing her to weep bitterly.
She gave birth to a girl, then turned to Allâh, the Most Glorified and Exalted, in prayer saying, "O my Lord, I have delivered a female child," and the male is not like the female, "and I have named her Mary, and I seek refuge with You (Allâh) for her and her offspring from Satan, the outcast." [3:36]
Hannah faced a major problem in reference to her promise to Allâh, for females were not accepted into the temple, causing her to be extremely worried. Her sister's husband, Zechariah (peace and blessings be upon him), comforted her, saying that Almighty Allâh knew best of what she had delivered and appreciated fully what she had to offer in His service. So she wrapped the baby in a shawl and handed it over to the temple elders. As the baby was a female, the question of her guardianship posed a big problem for the elders. This was not any child, but the child of their late and beloved leader, hence they were all eager to take care of her. Prophet Zechariah (peace and blessings be upon him) said to the temple elders, "I am the husband of her maternal aunt and her nearest relation in the temple. Therefore, I will be more mindful of her than all of you." As it was their custom at the time to draw lots to solve disagreements, they followed this course. Each of them was given a reed to cast into the river. They had agreed together that whoever's reed remained afloat would be granted guardianship of the girl. Amazingly all the reeds sank to the bottom except the one belonging to Zechariah (peace and blessings be upon him). With this sign, they all surrendered to the will of Almighty Allâh and made him the guardian of Mary. Almighty Allâh narrates, "That is from the news of the unseen which We reveal to you, [O Muhammad]. And you were not with them when they cast their pens as to which of them should be responsible for Mary. Nor were you with them when they disputed." [3:44]
To ensure that no one else had access to Mary, Zechariah (peace an blessings be upon them both) had built a separate room for her in the temple. As she grew up, she spent her time in devotion to Allâh, the Almighty and Sublime, and Zechariah (peace and blessings be upon him) would pay a visit to her daily to see to her needs. One day, he was amazed to find fresh fruit which was out of season in her room. As he was the only person who had access to enter her room, he asked her how the fruit got there. Mary (peace and blessings be upon her) then replied that these provisions were from Allâh, the Almighty, as He gives to whom He wills. Allâh, the Most Glorified and Exalted, narrates, "So her Lord accepted her with good acceptance and caused her to grow in a good manner and put her in the care of Zechariah. Every time Zechariah entered upon her in the prayer chamber, he found with her provision. He said, "O Mary, from where is this [coming] to you?" She said, "It is from Allâh. Indeed, Allah provides for whom He wills without account." [3:37]
Prophet Zechariah (peace and blessings be upon him) had then noticed by this that Almighty Allâh had raised her status above that of other women. Thereafter, Prophet Zechariah (peace and blessings be upon him) spent more time teaching her. Mary (peace and blessings be upon her) grew up to be a devotee of Allâh, glorifying Him day and night.

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Re: Somebody Explain Qur'an 3:35-37
« Reply #8 on: September 29, 2012, 12:34:44 PM »
Guys Hārūn (Aaron) was another religious man living at the time. Like when Arabs say, "Abu Antar," you are not really Antar's father, but it is used metaphorically, meaning you are strong. Read the translation of the meaning of the Noble Qur'an in English by Muhammad Muhsin Khan and Taqi-ud-Din Al Hilaly, and check verse number 23 from Sūrat Maryam. It says, "O sister (i.e. the like) of Harun (Aaron) [not the brother of Musa (Moses), but he was another pious man at the time of Maryam (Mary)]! Your father was not a man who used to commit adultery, nor your mother was an unchaste woman."

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Re: Somebody Explain Qur'an 3:35-37
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2012, 10:43:52 AM »
Almighty Allah knows best if he was her biological father.

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Re: Somebody Explain Qur'an 3:35-37
« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2013, 08:23:05 AM »
Assalamualaikom


some suggestions to the verse that the term  "sister of Harun",was metaphorical,hence the suggested meaning, is that Mary sister of Aaron in faith etc,or  Brotherhood in clan as Mary was descended from Aaron ....  but I'm not convinced to that understanding ...


The answer I'm convinced to, is in the following Hadith :

Mughira b. Shu'ba reported:  "When I came to Najran, they (the Christians of Najran) asked me:  You read "O sister of Harun (Aaron)" (i. e. Mary) in the Qur'an, whereas Moses was born much before Jesus.   When I came back to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) I asked him about that, whereupon he said:  The people of the old age used to give names after the names of Apostles and pious persons who had gone before them. (Sahih Muslim, The Book on General Behaviour )"

The meaning of the Hadith is that such similarity was due to ,people in old ages (and even some in modern times) ,like to give names to their new born babies after the names of Apostles and pious persons, who had gone before them.
 ... in other words ,the Mary's Im'ran  is not Moses' Im'ran .... and that Mary"mother of Jesus" had a literal brother named Harun , but not the brother of the prophet Moses (peace be upon them all)...

 
would you be amazed for example, if you find a Muslim living in current times , whose name is Mohamed ,naming his children Fatima ,Zainab ,Ibrahim ... and his daughter Fatima having children naming them Hassan and Hussein etc..?

assalamualaikom


Brother Egyptian , You are right , but I am just adding a few comments showing that the " Sister of Aaron " is metaphor ....
Here is the Context , Let's read Carefully why the Jews used " O SISTER OF AARON "

Surah Maryam Chapter 19 Verses 27-29

Then she brought him to her people, carrying him. They said, "O Mary, you have certainly done a thing unprecedented.

O sister of Aaron, your father was not a man of evil, nor was your mother unchaste."

So she pointed to him. They said, "How can we speak to one who is in the cradle a child?"


So it is quite obvious , The Jews said " O Sister of Aaron " in order to show that Aaron was a good person so why aren't you good as him since you have committed adultery with a person and bear this child ? [ as the Jews thought ]
also it is good to know that Moses and Aaron were taking the leadership of Bani Israeel , so the Jews told that starting from her first generation ...
and as an example in our life , Sometimes a person can name other by O Brother of .... O Sister of ... O Father of ... etc ..
So again , Christians fail to show an error in the Quran and yet the Quranic challenge still goes on ! ..

Moreover , this is another hadith . .

Al-Tirmidhi
Narrated Al-Mughirah bin Shu'bah:
"The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) sent me to Najran. They said to me: 'Do you people not recite: O sister of Harun (19:28) - while between Musa and 'Eisa there is such (gap) as there is?' I did not know how to respond to them. So when I returned to the Prophet (ﷺ), I told him about that, and he said: 'Why didn't you tell them that they were named after their Prophets and righteous people before them.'"