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Offline There is only one God

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« on: February 07, 2013, 12:05:12 pm »
This website is clearly a joke!

I would start by quoting this:

     (Quran 6.133) Your Lord, the Rich and Merciful, if He wishes, can discard you and succeed you with whatever He wishes; Just like He created you from the seed of another clan.

Other translations:

And your Lord is the Free of need, the possessor of mercy. If He wills, he can do away with you and give succession after you to whomever He wills, just as He produced you from the descendants of another people.

That's right, Allah creates how he wills!

The Quran specifically uses the word "Whatever" or "What" ("ma" in Arabic ما). This Arabic word "ma" cannot refer to humans; this word is strictly reserved for nonhumans (the Arabic word that does refer to humans is "men من", meaning "who" or "whoever" but it was not used here).
This verse says that if God wishes He can make our descendents nonhuman just like our ancestors.

In conclusion, Adam & Eve were indeed created in Paradise from nothing however their coming down to Earth is a totally different story.

Genesis is mythology!

According to Genesis, the Earth was made in 6 Earth rotation days.  Man was created on Earth, in the Garden of Eden (Genesis 2:8). Look what they wrote!
"No clear details of each creation day. Some vague clustering of the days in 41:9–12"
Excuse me, plants before the sun is not clear details. Btw, the chronological order of the Qur'an is not official, it was compiled by humans after all. However, every word of it has been the same.

The age of the Earth and the universe in the bible is literally 6,000 years old.
- Jesus Christ was born 77 generations after Adam, which is a period of approximately 4,000 years (Luke 3:23-38).

- Jesus Christ was born approximately 2,000 years ago.

- Therefore Adam was born approximately 6,000 years ago.

- Adam was born at the beginning of the Creation, according to Jesus Christ in Mark 10:6 and Matthew 19:4.

- The whole Universe was therefore also created approximately 6,000 years ago.

However, in the Qur'an, time is relative. That's right, the Earth was created in two youms, and the universe in six. Youms is not a literal 24 hour day, but a relative period of time. Is the age of the Earth one third of the age of the universe? Yes. The age of the Earth and the universe in the bible is messed up!

Let this scientific bullshittery speak for itself:
 Man and the animals were created vegetarian (Genesis 1:29–30). No death and suffering in the original creation. Since plants were made way later, everything would've died.

 Carnivory (and thus death and suffering) apparently integral to life on the created Earth from the first. The Koran (6:142, 16:5, 40:79) says that cattle were created for man to eat.

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Re: Reponse to creation.com
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2013, 01:28:26 pm »
Assalam alaikum
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The Quran specifically uses the word "Whatever" or "What" ("ma" in Arabic ما). This Arabic word "ma" cannot refer to humans; this word is strictly reserved for nonhumans (the Arabic word that does refer to humans is "men من", meaning "who" or "whoever" but it was not used here).
This verse says that if God wishes He can make our descendents nonhuman just like our ancestors.
وَرَبُّكَ الْغَنِيُّ ذُو الرَّحْمَةِ ۚ إِن يَشَأْ يُذْهِبْكُمْ وَيَسْتَخْلِفْ مِن بَعْدِكُم مَّا يَشَاءُ كَمَا أَنشَأَكُم مِّن ذُرِّيَّةِ قَوْمٍ آخَرِينَ
Transliteration
Warabbuka alghaniyyu thoo arrahmatiin yasha/ yuthhibkum wayastakhlif min baAAdikum mayashao kama anshaakum min thurriyyati qawminakhareen

http://quran.com/6/133
"whatever He wishes" has nothing to do with anything.

http://seemyparadigm.webs.com/evolution.htm
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Re: Reponse to creation.com
« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2013, 01:47:00 pm »
Assalam alaikum
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The Quran specifically uses the word "Whatever" or "What" ("ma" in Arabic ما). This Arabic word "ma" cannot refer to humans; this word is strictly reserved for nonhumans (the Arabic word that does refer to humans is "men من", meaning "who" or "whoever" but it was not used here).
This verse says that if God wishes He can make our descendents nonhuman just like our ancestors.
وَرَبُّكَ الْغَنِيُّ ذُو الرَّحْمَةِ ۚ إِن يَشَأْ يُذْهِبْكُمْ وَيَسْتَخْلِفْ مِن بَعْدِكُم مَّا يَشَاءُ كَمَا أَنشَأَكُم مِّن ذُرِّيَّةِ قَوْمٍ آخَرِينَ
Transliteration
Warabbuka alghaniyyu thoo arrahmatiin yasha/ yuthhibkum wayastakhlif min baAAdikum mayashao kama anshaakum min thurriyyati qawminakhareen

http://quran.com/6/133
"whatever He wishes" has nothing to do with anything.

http://seemyparadigm.webs.com/evolution.htm

What are you implying here?