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Offline mokko

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Where can I find a refutation of Wikiislam?
« on: August 25, 2012, 03:01:31 PM »
I am looking for a refutation of some arguments found on the Wikiislam website. I am especially interested to find refutation of those arguments:

http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Is_the_Quran_from_God%3F

http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Contradictions_in_the_Qur'an

http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Scientific_errors_in_the_Quran

I want a refutation that addresses the substantive truth or falsehood of a matter.

I insist that a refutation is different from threats (example of threat: "those who believe this website will be punished") and different from attacks (example of attack: "those who wrote this website are bad and stupid people")

I just want honest and serious arguments, thank you.

Mustafa
« Last Edit: August 25, 2012, 03:08:33 PM by mokko »

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Re: Where can I find a refutation of Wikiislam?
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2012, 03:43:40 PM »
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I insist that a refutation is different from threats (example of threat: "those who believe this website will be punished") and different from attacks (example of attack: "those who wrote this website are bad and stupid people")

As'salamu Alaikum,

Thanks for the post, Mustafa.  I first can easily tell that you're not just a non-Muslim, but you also seem to be an Islamophobe.  The reason I say this is because in the 10 or so years that I've been blogging and interacting with people online, I haven't run into a single Muslim who made threats to anyone who posed simple and honest questions on Islam.  Furthermore, our Holy Quran demands producing of proofs to claims (see Noble Verses 2:111, 28:75).  So, any query or question regarding Islam must not be dealt with in hostility.  On the contrary, Mokko (Mustafa), I've been to the website that you linked below, and I've seen lots of hostility and insults towards Islam and Muslims who post simple posts.  In fact, Ali Sina wished death upon all Muslims and said that no Muslim is innocent: http://www.answering-christianity.com/sina_kill_all_muslims.jpg.  So it's ok for Muslims to be oppressed and conspired against, but it's forbidden for them to respond to the evil that is plotting against them, according to Ali Sina.  I was also insulted many times before, and my posts were removed many times before on that website, becasue they did not want the reader to see the real Truth of the Islamic side.

You certainly will not be threatened here as well.  So, let's drop the garbage at once and be honest.  I know that the hateful Islamophobes are desperate to make Islam and Muslims look bad in anyway, shape or form.  Your silly attempt here is just a small example of this. 

Now to the core of your post, above.  I will thoroughly refute it for you, insha'Allah.  Just give me a couple of days, insha'Allah.

Take care and welcome to this board.  I ask Allah Almighty that you see the Truth of Islam someday.  Ameen.

Osama Abdallah

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Re: Where can I find a refutation of Wikiislam?
« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2012, 04:54:24 PM »
Greetings

look mokko , the three links you gave are filled with points ,so I would suggest you to make the discussion more focused :


would you provide the top 5 reasons ,according to you, that the_Quran_isn't from God?
the top 5 Contradictions, in_the_Qur'an,according to you?
the top 5  Scientific_errors_in_the_Quran ,according to you?

I think my suggestion is a good one to make a focused,civil,fruitful discussion ,would you accept my suggestion?

If you do,then be sure I will be pleased to dedicate a time for that thread .

Regards.
« Last Edit: August 25, 2012, 04:57:45 PM by Egyptian »

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Re: Where can I find a refutation of Wikiislam?
« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2012, 06:20:08 AM »
thank you for your replies. QuranSearchCom, I look forward reading your refutations, and discussing them.
 
Egyptian, I am certainly not an expert of the field, so I may not be the best partner for discussion now. I prefer waiting for the replies of QuranSearchCom, before digging into the subject (however, my personal preference is that you can leave aside biology, and focus on simple logic and physics (simple physics: where the sun hides after sunset, flat earth..., not the big bang) ).

His replies will be useful for everyone: indeed, I did not find any website replying to the objections found on Wikiislam (not even a blog), and I was just surprised.

However, I agree with you that the tone of Wikiislam is not very friendly. It is their mistake, but I am sure that you will be able to focus on healthy questions and objections about this faith. Some people do not hate anyone, they just want the truth.
« Last Edit: August 26, 2012, 06:48:47 AM by mokko »

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Re: Where can I find a refutation of Wikiislam?
« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2012, 02:14:24 PM »
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However, I agree with you that the tone of Wikiislam is not very friendly.

Not only that ,You know that I tried once to add comments in the talk page in wikislam but they don't allow?!!!


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I did not find any website replying to the objections found on Wikiislam (not even a blog), and I was just surprised.

wikiislam is almost entirely repeating the same stuff of the site answering-islam (I doubt even their editors to be from answering-islam) ..answering islam is thoroughly refuted in several islamic site ..



 
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Re: Where can I find a refutation of Wikiislam?
« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2012, 03:48:46 PM »
thank you for the link, i will read it.

PS: Egyptian, you wanted to discuss a specific point, I raised one on another post (on "Quran, miracle and epilepsy")

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Re: Where can I find a refutation of Wikiislam?
« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2012, 10:29:13 AM »
PS: Egyptian, you wanted to discuss a specific point, I raised one on another post (on "Quran, miracle and epilepsy")

Thank you mokko for the thread , later I will check it...

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Re: Where can I find a refutation of Wikiislam?
« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2012, 09:16:14 AM »
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I am looking for a refutation of some arguments found on the Wikiislam website. I am especially interested to find refutation of those arguments:

http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Is_the_Quran_from_God%3F

http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Contradictions_in_the_Qur'an

http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Scientific_errors_in_the_Quran

I want a refutation that addresses the substantive truth or falsehood of a matter.

Peace be upon you Mokko,

I've gone through much of the lists in the links that you gave above, I tell you that at least 90% if not 100% of them were answered on http://www.answering-christianity.com.

The links that contain the ample responses to the points that your links provided are:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/quran.htm (refutes the first two links you gave)

http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links (the Overwhelming Scientific Miracles in the Glorious Quran)


I really don't feel it is necessary to list each point and the link of the article that directly refutes it.  I'll leave that to the reader to sort through.  Our website has literally 1,000s of articles and rebuttals.  There are well over 1,000 rebuttals to direct attacks on Islam on the website.  And your links above give at least 200 points against Islam.  It'll be massive to list each one of them here and the link that refutes it.

Therefore Mokko, like brother Egyptian suggested above, can you please list your top 5 to 10 points that you feel should be a concern to Muslims regarding Islam?  I think this will be far more realistic and will enable us to engage the topics in more details and more fairly.

I look forward to interacting with you on this.

Thanks,
Osama Abdallah

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Re: Where can I find a refutation of Wikiislam?
« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2012, 02:12:05 PM »


I really don't feel it is necessary to list each point and the link of the article that directly refutes it.  I'll leave that to the reader to sort through.  Our website has literally 1,000s of articles and rebuttals.  There are well over 1,000 rebuttals to direct attacks on Islam on the website.  And your links above give at least 200 points against Islam.  It'll be massive to list each one of them here and the link that refutes it.

Therefore Mokko, like brother Egyptian suggested above, can you please list your top 5 to 10 points that you feel should be a concern to Muslims regarding Islam?  I think this will be far more realistic and will enable us to engage the topics in more details and more fairly.

I look forward to interacting with you on this.

Thanks,
Osama Abdallah


Thank you for these links (indeed, wikiislam seems to be a kind of mirror of answer-islam). I am currently focused on one point, see my thread on epilepsy. Feel free to discuss it.