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"He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." John 3:36
June 06, 2009
Shriners and Freemasonry
Luther Burbank (1849-1926)

Horticultuist and naturalist, Luther Burbank moved to Santa Rosa, California, in 1875 where he established Burbank's Experimental Farms. He was raised in Santa Rosa Lodge No. 57 on August 13, 1921 and coroneted an honorary 33 degree Ancient & Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry (AASR) (SJ) on October 20, 1925. Burbank died the following year on April 11th. source

WARNING TO THE CHRISTIAN
Since Freemasonry has attempted so strenuously to claim that they are just a "good ole boy" fraternity that does good works and has a good time, most people will be shocked to learn the bitter truth behind that facade. An insidious by product is to keep husbands and wives out of churches & away from the Truth.

Satan does not need to receive worship to achieve his goals. All he has to do is to keep a man from following Jesus. Satan knows that anyone who does not follow in the teachings of the Lord Jesus Christ does not have God. (2 John 9) Freemasonry teaches that due-paying Freemasonry alone is one's guarantee for Heaven without any intervention needed by Jesus Christ which is a satanic lie.

Freemasonry is a hidden fraternal order and defined by them as a system of morality. The first three steps are the Blue Lodge. The first degree is called Entered Apprentice. The second degree is called Fellow Craft. The Third degree is called Master Mason. Most men only go to the third degree, but if one chooses, he may advance either through the York Rite or the Scottish Rite. The Scottish Rite has thirty-two degrees. In each degree, the Mason pledges himself to a different Egyptian deity.

THE SHRINER
There is a thirty-third degree that is largely honorary, but the thirty-two degree give you access to becoming a Shriner. As a Shriner you will pledge yourself to the pagan "god" Allah who lies that Jesus did not even die on a cross and that God has no Son. This pagan 'Allah' never once shows that it knows the real name of God (Jesus/Yeshua/Yahweh/I am).

Most Shriners are decent guys who do bow to the pagan Islamic Allah. The Shriner is given a red fez with an Islamic sword and crescent jewel on the front of it. This sword emblem originates from 7th century Arabia when the Moslems, under the leadership of Muhammad (aka: Mohammed), slaughtered all Christians and Jews who would not bow down to the pagan moon god Allah. It is a symbol of subjugation. The Shriners appear to have begun innocently enough; except for their link to and allegiance to the pagan moon god (note the crescent emblem) Allah.

The Illustrious Grand High Priest swears in new members who put their hands on a copy of the Muslim Koran. Can we imagine a Christian preacher swearing off the God of Israel by embracing the pagan Allah? They do. The initiate swears a long oath that culminates in a typical Masonic vow of secrecy unto death which includes an oat to Allah.

Shriners obligate themselves by making unholy oaths such as allowing the piercing of their eyeballs with a three-edged blade, and the flaying of their feet if they should reveal their Shriner "secrets" which are all nonsense and inconsequential to begin with. Shriners worship the false god Allah as the god of "our" fathers.

An Actor, William Florence, and a juggler and magician, Dr. Walter M. Fleming, began the Shriners in the early 1870's. Doctor Fleming devised the rituals, intended as a parody of Islam. He died in 1913 and left his family penniless, having spent all of his money to gain Masonic medals and decrees.

THE FEZ
The Masonic Shriners wear a red hat known as a Fez named after a town in Morocco, where in 980 AD, 50,000 Christians, including women and children, were brutally murdered by the Muslims. As the streets ran red with the Christians’ blood from the massacre, the Muslims dipped their hats in that blood as a testimony to Allah. The red Fez symbolizes the slaughter of Christians in that town. The Masons still wear the red Fez adorned with the Islamic crescent symbol.

There are Christians, all over the world, who even today, suffer greatly and some have even given up their lives because they refuse to compromise their faith in Christ. And yet, professing Christians who are involved in the highest ranks of Freemasonry (Shriners) honor the persecution of Christians. A Shriner honors Islam and its symbols.

A Shriner traditionally prays by facing toward Mecca, and he must make a blood oath of allegiance to the pagan Allah as his god and to Mohammed, who cringed at even the sight of a cross, as his prophet. Remember Christians: Allah is that non-existent god of Islam who does not acknowledge Jesus as his Son, and he doesn't acknowledge the work Jesus did on the cross.
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John 3
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

John 8
31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Cathy Palmer at 12:53 AM

20 comments:

Anonymous6/6/09, 2:48 AM
Yes,even the first three degrees should alert Christians to the antichrist nature of jr.Illuminism called Freemasonry.Coming to the lodge in darkness seeking the light[Lucifer].Secret fraternity.Jesus did nothing in secret nor are we to do so.Both Islam and Judaism are base religions for western esoteric orders.That's something many people do not know.In fact most people think Judaism is an OT religion tied to Christianity.

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Gort6/6/09, 6:01 PM
Scottish Rite Freemason Albert Pike,through demonic automatic writng blueprinted the three world wars in 1871. http://www.threeworldwars.com/index.html Islam vs.cabalistic Zionism was the plan for the third world war.,That is shaping up as we speak.About ten years ago I went over my LTN newsletters and found the same exposition in Revelation by Meyer.Throughout the 1990s I went over all the dispensationalist teachings and always had a problem with the pretrib position,but thought the prewrath was biblical.None og it is.The prewrath is close to what the Armageddon Script is,but it isn't biblical.Everyuthing is twisted by the pop-prophecy gurus.But the teachings are so entrenched in the West that to call out these false teachings brings derision and scorn.

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Gort6/6/09, 6:15 PM
Actually,the pretrib position is identical to the Armageddon Script,but the prewrath will delude those that see the chaos taking place and people disappearing into Fema Camps and whatnot and know this is man and Satan's wrath,and not God's wrath.When God's wrath is unleashed it is over in an hour,the catching up,misconstrued and taught as the rapture,will take place prior to that point in time.The plan is so diablolically genious that it is hard to believe.But if you read the writings of the occultists and original new agers called Theosophists it all fits together.And that's what I mean by an Armageddon Script.It isn't laid out in any article per se.In fact it is only mention by Fritz Springmeir in the Christian world as far as I know.Ciumby's book "Hidden Dangers of the Rainbow" and Texe's copycat books on the new age movement is where you can piece it all together,without actually wasting money on those people's books.

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Gort6/6/09, 6:18 PM
Fritz has an article on it but it isn't really in depth.--- http://poweredbychrist.homestead.com/files/articles/plot.htm

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Gort6/6/09, 6:34 PM
Cathy,you don't have an open thread so I'll post more links for you here.A disbelief in the premill Disp position does not mean one is a preterist or partial preterist as Kelly claims[and that will be the last time I refer to her so you know].We are seeing similitudes of prophecies being fulfilled over and over as well as the few to take place for the first time in these Last Days.A link on Amillenialism is here,just for reference-- http://home.flash.net/~thinkman/articles/amill.htm Many people have aproblem with it as the false Roman Church adheres to it,and they mistakenly think that it also means one has an aleegorical hermeneutic with Scripture.Not true!

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Gort6/6/09, 6:37 PM
Cathy,here's the You Tube channel of the young guy that records Meyer's sermons each week.-- http://www.youtube.com/user/fiestien Google changed its' policies.He used to upload entire videos--- http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6054696301896752957&ei=o_0qSs_yLYz8rgLWhMG6Cg&q=Profile+of+an+Antichrist&hl=en

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Gort6/6/09, 6:40 PM
Cathy,listen to the Scofield series audio here-- http://www.lasttrumpetministries.org/ And if you want to chat or listen,you can use paltalk express without downloading program permanently.It just loads each time you go there.You have to register for free,and then you can chat in real time in the open or PM someone in priivate.The room is called Last Trumpet Ministries Outpost.--- http://express.paltalk.com/

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Gort6/6/09, 6:42 PM
Cathy,this NAU site is dated but still good--- http://www.stopthenorthamericanunion.com/ Verichip--- http://www.ridingthebeast.com/articles/verichip-implant/

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Gort6/6/09, 6:46 PM
Cathy,if you have time,you could post an open thread and tell us a little about you and where you are from,and share a few links.I'll leave links there.Else,I'll wait for you to post another blog.Time is short. NWO quotes : http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Illuminati/quotes_on_the_new_world_order.htm p.s.I was going to give a couple of links on Fema Camps but the best ones are down.Figures.That has gone mainstrewam so cyber attacks are expected.The best sites were up for years with maps.

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Cathy6/6/09, 8:07 PM
Gort, here is a short video in which I tell a bit about myself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANm1qNoBFAQ

cheers!
Cathy

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Gort6/6/09, 8:55 PM
The link didn't work but I found it.Here's-- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2CG2fvv2-s

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Anonymous6/6/09, 9:06 PM
BHO-Pharoah-- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTsxARCpTLw

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Anonymous10/23/09, 7:16 AM
WOW!! Conspiracy theories in full effect. I am a Freemason in South Florida and can attest first hand that the organization is not a "cult" or anti-Christian in any way. To become a Freemason all you have to do is ask one- not really that difficult. Ask Freemasons in your area about learning more about the organization. Open your minds and look for facts, not fiction.
To say that Freemasonry is somehow the work of Satan is to then believe that men such as Mozart, George Washington, Ben Franklin, etc, all the way to Louis Armstrong as Scottie Pippen are all involved in some massive conspiracy theory that cuts accross all racial and religious lines and that has gone one for centuries (since all of the men I mentioned were Masons).
Also, you don't need to be a 33 degree Mason to become a Shriner.
Stop living in fear and reach out to the Masonic members in your communities. That should be the first step to understanding if you are truly going to be honest about the subject.

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Anonymous7/16/15, 8:52 PM
If it is not anti-Christian, then what does the "G" stand for in your symbolism? It is geometric, it is pagan. It is non-Christian, as members do not believe in one God, as known in the Bible; the members believe in Allah, and/or others, which are numerous.

As for "living in fear" of Masonic members, a person who believes in the one and only God, the one taught in the Holy Bible, will NOT be afraid of a Mason. Rather, we pray for them, that they turn their hearts and lives over to God, so that were may see these Masons in heaven upon our arrival.

Have a blessed day; may God work in your life and consume you with His love.

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Anonymous1/8/10, 9:04 AM
first of all iam a muslim. and th statement you made about the name of Allah being a pagan deity is absolutely absurd. Allah has no partners muslims dont worship any pagan (god) we believe that he is one and he didn't have a son but, we do believe that jesus existed as for christians you believe that jesus was the son of god and god at the same time no where in the bible dose jesus say he is god. the muslims believe that there is no god but allah and Muhammad is his last messenger we belive in all the prophets sent by Allah. whe dont deny any of them before you speak about Alla most high you need to have your facts straight. further more the word god comes from ancient rome they had more pagan gods than i can count and the name jesus is also ancient greek there are no j's in the semetic languages the proper way to spell it would be Isa. Jesus spoke aramaic not greek or hebrew you should be ashamed of yourself for speaking without the proper knowledge and disrespecting the Islamic culture. (Hussain)

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Cathy1/8/10, 11:20 AM
Friend, you say to me, "you believe that jesus was the son of god and god at the same time no where in the bible dose jesus say he is god."

Let me give you a few Bible scriptures to disprove your statement and prove that yes, Jesus Christ is God:

1.John 1:1 - "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
A.John 1:14 - "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."

2.John 5:18 - "Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God."

3.John 8:24 - "I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins."

4.John 8:58 - "Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am."
A.Exodus 3:14 - "And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you."

5.John 10:30-33 - "I and my Father are one. Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God."

6.John 20:28 - "And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God."

7.Col. 1:15-17 - "Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist."

8.Col. 2:9 - "For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily."

9.Phil. 2:5-8 - "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross."

10.Heb. 1:8 - "But of the Son He says, "Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever, and the righteous scepter is the scepter of His kingdom."
A.Quoted from Psalm 45:6, "Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre."

YES! Jesus Christ IS God. But this did not become a reality to me until I got on my knees alone at home and put my faith in Jesus as my Lord and Saviour.

Here is a short video of me telling my story: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANm1qNoBFAQ

And here's one more from the prophet Isaiah 9:6,7 - " 6For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this."

May the Truth be revealed, may the lies be exposed, may the deceived wakeup, may the sinner repent, may the lost get saved and may the Lord Jesus Christ be glorified I pray.

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Anonymous6/21/10, 9:54 AM
frist of all muslims do not worship a pagans god. that is what prophet muhammand(pbuh) fought against.Allah means god in arabic,we muslims beleive in one god ,jesus is not god he was a prophet of god ,his son in spirt you chistian have to understand everyone is not going to live like you all. the bible his translated wrong over and over again lot of things his been omitted flipped just to make is sound good

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Anonymous7/8/11, 2:03 PM
Hi,

I am a Muslim woman and I'm stunned that in the 21th Century people believe that Allah is a pagan God. I am not a pagan, I do not worship a man, I worship God,nor do I worship 3 gods, I believe in the same God that the Jews worship. I believe in all the blessed prophets God sent to spred his message to mankind. That being said this includes the belief in His Books; the Torah, The Bible, The Koran, The Psalms, and the Scrolls of Moses, We believe in His Angels, the Day of Judgement. We believe that no one gets a 'free pass' to heaven but people will be judged on their deeds, actions and intentions. God is truly the All-Just and Wise.

In islam we are taught not to worship man, but to worship God-Himself, the One and Only.
We do not worship Christ for he was a man sent by God to deliver a message to the Jews to come back worshipping God and leave behind the material life of this world. Muhammad to us is our final prophet sent by God. He is the last of the prophets and Messengers.

Please, I encourage people to educate yourself and not propogate lies and untruths for God does not like liars and the ignorant.
Please ask yourselves why would God die if He is the Eternal.

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Anonymous1/9/14, 10:31 AM
What if Mohammed wwas not the last prophet and there is one among us now?

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Anonymous9/11/14, 8:18 PM
Freemasons have apharoh on thier rings shriners clearly worship allah and the god of ot forbade human sacrifice. SO why would he kill his own son i know the bible forward and backward filled with contradictions so i got out of the church money clowns first chap of genesis gives man dominion so the truth is what muslims circle black box jews wear black box on foreheads same god as for my understanding jesus isa yeshua ect who knows the truth no one so i have faith in a father a creator that's all i can do that's it folks

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Your wrong, Baphomet is an Old French corruption of the name Muhammad which is connected to the knight Templars which are connected to the Freemasons who in turn serve Allah who is the god of Islam.
All you got to do is look it up.
https://www.google.com/search?q=shriners+islam&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiRtKSP-7bMAhUrCsAKHWbTAA4Q_AUICCgC&biw=828&bih=509#imgrc=rvRr8oy8xt-OZM%3A

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uran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...
but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah]   and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun(the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)" (Translation is from the Noble Quran) The verse prior to this (190) refers to "fighting for the cause of Allah those who fight you" leading some to believe that the entire passage refers to a defensive war in which Muslims are defending their homes and families. The historical context of this passage is not defensive warfare, however, since Muhammad and his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by their Meccan adversaries. In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later did). Verse 190 thus means to fight those who offer resistance to Allah's rule (ie. Muslim conquest). The use of the word "persecution" by some Muslim translators is disingenuous (the actual Arabic words for persecution - "idtihad" - and oppression - a variation of "z-l-m" - do not appear in the verse). The word used instead, "fitna", can mean disbelief, or the disorder that results from unbelief or temptation. This is certainly what is meant in this context since the violence is explicitly commissioned "until religion is for Allah" - ie. unbelievers desist in their unbelief.

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Faith in Allah الإيمان بالله
There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is His Messenger

Was Jesus Christ crucified or someone else?
Abu Amina Elias • May 1, 2013


By Abu Amina Elias for FaithinAllah.org

Question:

The Quran says, “They did not kill him, nor did they crucify him” (4:157). Does Islam deny the historical crucifixion of Jesus?

Answer:

In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful

There are several interpretations of this verse regarding what happened to Jesus, upon him be peace, the moment his enemies came to crucify him. In our opinion, the most plausible explanation of the verse, supported by strong evidence, is that the body of Jesus was crucified while his soul was raised to heaven. Thus, his soul was not killed but rather he was protected by Allah from the crucifixion while the people on earth saw his body being crucified.

Allah said:

وَقَوْلِهِمْ إِنَّا قَتَلْنَا الْمَسِيحَ عِيسَى ابْنَ مَرْيَمَ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ وَمَا قَتَلُوهُ وَمَا صَلَبُوهُ وَلَٰكِن شُبِّهَ لَهُمْ ۚ وَإِنَّ الَّذِينَ اخْتَلَفُوا فِيهِ لَفِي شَكٍّ مِّنْهُ ۚ مَا لَهُم بِهِ مِنْ عِلْمٍ إِلَّا اتِّبَاعَ الظَّنِّ ۚ وَمَا قَتَلُوهُ يَقِينًا

And their saying: Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah. They did not kill him, nor did they crucify him, but it was made to appear to them. Verily, those who differ over it are in doubt about it, for they have no knowledge of it except following assumptions. They did not kill him for certain.

Surah An-Nisa 4:157

The difference of interpretation is over the phrase, “it was made to appear to them.” Many commentators relied upon exegetical reports claiming that another person was made to resemble Jesus, perhaps a disciple or Judas. However, these reports contradict each other and are not authentic traditions attributed to the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him.

Muhammad Asad explains:

There exist among Muslims many fanciful legends telling us that at the last moment Allah substituted for Jesus a person closely resembling him (according to some accounts, that person was Judas), who was subsequently crucified in his place. However, none of these legends finds the slightest support in the Quran or in authentic traditions, and the stories produced in this connection by the classical commentators must be summarily rejected.

Source: Message of the Quran 4:157

It seems very unlikely that the intention of the verse is to radically change the accepted historical narrative. Rather, the Quran was revealed to confirm the Gospel.

Allah said:

نَزَّلَ عَلَيْكَ الْكِتَابَ بِالْحَقِّ مُصَدِّقًا لِّمَا بَيْنَ يَدَيْهِ وَأَنزَلَ التَّوْرَاةَ وَالْإِنجِيلَ

He has sent down upon you the book in truth, confirming what was before it. And He revealed the Torah and the Gospel.

Surah Ali Imran 3:3

Based upon the Quran’s confirmation of the Gospel, the most credible exegetical report is found in the commentary of Ibn Jareer At-Tabari.

Wahb reported: When Allah informed Jesus the son of Mary that he would soon be departing this world, he was disheartened by death and sorely grieved. So he called the disciples for a meal which he had prepared for them. Jesus said:

احْضُرُونِي اللَّيْلَةَ فَإِنَّ لِي إِلَيْكُمْ حَاجَةً

Come to me tonight, for I have a favor to ask of you.

When they had come together at night, Jesus served them himself. When they had finished eating, Jesus washed their hands and helped them perform their ablutions with his own hands, and he wiped their hands and garments. The disciples regarded this as beneath the master’s dignity and they disapproved, but Jesus said:

أَلَا مَنْ رَدَّ عَلَيَّ شَيْئًا اللَّيْلَةَ مِمَّا أَصْنَعُ فَلَيْسَ مِنِّي وَلَا أَنَا مِنْهُ

Anyone who opposes me in what I do tonight is not from me and I am not from him.

So they agreed and Jesus said:

مَّا مَا صَنَعَتُ بِكُمُ اللَّيْلَةَ مِمَّا خَدَمْتُكُمْ عَلَى الطَّعَامِ وَغَسَلْتُ أَيْدِيَكُمْ بِيَدِي فَلْيُكَنْ لَكُمْ بِي أُسْوَةٌ فَإِنَّكُمْ تَرَوْنَ أَنِّي خَيْرُكُمْ ، فَلَا يَتَعَظَّمُ بَعْضُكُمْ عَلَى بَعْضٍ وَلْيَبْذُلْ بَعْضُكُمْ لِبَعْضٍ نَفْسَهَ كَمَا بَذَلْتُ نَفْسِي لَكُمْ وَأَمَّا حَاجَتِي الَّتِي اسْتَعَنْتُكُمْ عَلَيْهَا فَتَدْعُونَ لِيَ اللَّهَ وَتَجْتَهِدُونَ فِي الدُّعَاءِ أَنْ يُؤَخِّرَ أَجْلِي

As for what I have done for you this night, serving you at a table and washing your hands with my own hands; let that be an example to you. You regard me as the best of you, so let not one among you regard himself as better than the others. Let each one of you offer his life for the others just as I have laid down my life for you. The favor for which I have called you is that you pray fervently that Allah will extend my term.

When they stood up for prayer, wishing to prolong their earnest supplications, they were overcome by sleep and they were unable to pray. Jesus said:

سُبْحَانَ اللَّهِ مَا تَصْبِرُونَ لِي لَيْلَةً وَاحِدَةً تُعِينُونِي فِيهَا

Glory be to Allah! Can you not be patient with me one night and support me?

They said, “We do not know what overcame us. We would stay up in the night for long prayers but tonight we cannot help but sleep. Whatever supplication we wish to make, we are prevented from saying it.” Then Jesus said:

 يُذْهَبُ بِالرَّاعِي وَتَتَفَرَّقُ الْغَنَمُ

The shepherd will be taken away and the sheep will be scattered.

And Jesus continued to lament his end. He said:

الْحَقُّ لَيَكْفُرَنَّ بِي أَحَدُكُمْ قَبْلَ أَنْ يَصِيحَ الدِّيكُ ثَلَاثَ مَرَّاتٍ وَلَيَبِيعَنِي أَحَدُكُمْ بِدَرَاهِمَ يَسِيرَةٍ وَلَيَأْكُلَنَّ ثَمْنِي

In truth, I say to you, one of you will deny me three times before the rooster crows, and another will sell me for a few pieces of silver and consume my price.

After this, they went out, each his own way, and they left him. The Jews then came seeking him and they seized Simon, saying, “He is one of his companions!” but he denied it, saying, “I am not his companion!” Others also seized him and he again denied. Then he heard the crowing of a rooster, and he wept bitterly.

The next morning one of the disciples went to the Jews and he said, “What will you give me if I lead you to the Christ?” They gave him thirty pieces, which he took and led them to Jesus. Before that, however, it became unclear to them. Thus, they took him after ascertaining that it was him and they tied him with a rope and they dragged him, saying, “You raised the dead and cast out Satan and healed those who were possessed! Can you not save yourself from this rope?” They spat on him and placed thorns upon his head. Thus they brought him to the piece of wood upon which they wished to crucify him, but Allah raised him up to Himself and they crucified what was made to appear for them.

Jesus remained for seven hours and his mother and the woman whom Jesus cured from madness came to weep in the place of the crucifixion. Jesus came to them and said, “For whom do you weep?” They said, “For you!” He said:

 إِنِّي قَدْ رَفَعَنِي اللَّهُ إِلَيْهِ وَلَمْ يُصِبْنِي إِلَّا خَيْرٌ وَإِنَّ هَذَا شَيْءٌ شُبِّهَ لَهُمْ فَأْمُرَا الْحَوَارِيِّينَ أَنْ يَلْقَوْنِي إِلَى مَكَانِ كَذَا وَكَذَا

Verily, Allah has raised me unto Himself and nothing befell me except goodness, for this is something which was made to appear to them. Go now and tell the disciples to meet me at such-and-such place.

There were eleven who met him and the disciple who sold him and led the Jews to him was missing. Jesus asked his companions about him and they said, “He regretted what he did, so he hanged himself.” Jesus said:

 لَوْ تَابَ لَتَابَ اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ

Had he repented, Allah would surely have turned toward him.

Source: Tafseer At-Tabari 4:157

In this narration, Jesus is informed by Allah that his death is near, so he prepares himself for martyrdom, saying, “Let each one of you offer his life for the others just as I have laid down my life for you.” The wisdom behind this is that if Jesus were to sacrifice his life that would save the lives of his disciples, for if they had killed the leader of the movement they would no longer pursue its followers. A similar action was undertaken by Uthman ibn Affan, may Allah be pleased with him, when he refused to defend himself from his enemies.

Abu Huraira reported: I entered upon Uthman on the day he was under siege in his house and I said, “O leader of the believers, I have come to give you my support.” Uthman said to me:

يَا أَبَا هُرَيْرَةَ أَيَسُرُّكَ أَنْ تَقْتُلَ النَّاسَ جَمِيعًا وَإِيَّايَ مَعَهُمْ

O Abu Huraira, does it please you to ‘kill the people altogether’ (5:32) including me?

I said, “No.” Uthman said:

وَاللَّهِ لَئِنْ قَتَلْتَ رَجُلا وَاحِدًا لَكَأَنَّمَا قَتَلْتَ النَّاسَ جَمِيعًا

By Allah, if you have killed one man then it is as if you have killed all the people.

Source: Sunan Sa’id ibn Mansur, Grade: Sahih

So Abu Huraira returned and he did not fight. This shows the incredible wisdom and sacrifice of Uthman. If he commanded Abu Huraira to fight on his behalf, they would have likely killed Abu Huraira as well and the Muslims would have been deprived of so many prophetic traditions narrated on his authority. Likewise, Jesus refused to defend himself out of his concern for the safety of his companions.

As recorded in the book of John:

ἐγώ εἰμι ὁ ποιμὴν ὁ καλός· ὁ ποιμὴν ὁ καλὸς τὴν ψυχὴν αὐτοῦ τίθησιν ὑπὲρ τῶν προβάτων

I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.

Source: John 10:11

And:

μείζονα ταύτης ἀγάπην οὐδεὶς ἔχει ἵνα τις τὴν ψυχὴν αὐτοῦ θῇ ὑπὲρ τῶν φίλων αὐτοῦ

Greater love has none other than this, that one lay down his life for his friends.

Source: John 15:13

In fact, such a comparison was made between Uthman and Jesus by some of the early Muslims.

Awf reported: I heard Al-Hajjaj giving a sermon and he was saying:

إِنَّ مَثَلَ عُثْمَانَ عِنْدَ اللَّهِ كَمَثَلِ عِيسَى ابْنِ مَرْيَمَ

Verily, the likeness of Uthman with Allah is the likeness of Jesus the son of Mary.

Then he recited these verses and he explained them:

يَا عِيسَى إِنِّي مُتَوَفِّيكَ وَرَافِعُكَ إِلَيَّ وَمُطَهِّرُكَ مِنْ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا

O Jesus, verily, I will cause you to die and will raise you to Myself and purify you from those who disbelieve. (3:55)

Source: Sunan Abu Dawud 4641, Grade: Hasan

This is an important moral lesson taught by the story of Jesus’ martyrdom. The same lesson, of refusing to fight back when wisdom dictates, was also taught by Prophet Muhammad.

Sa’d ibn Abu Waqqas reported: I said, “O Messenger of Allah, what do you think if someone enters my house and stretches out his hand to kill me?” The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said:

كُنْ كَابْنَيْ آدَمَ

Be like the son of Adam.

Then, Yazid ibn Khalid recited the verse:

لَئِن بَسَطتَ إِلَيَّ يَدَكَ لِتَقْتُلَنِي مَا أَنَا بِبَاسِطٍ يَدِيَ إِلَيْكَ لِأَقْتُلَكَ إِنِّي أَخَافُ اللَّهَ رَبَّ الْعَالَمِينَ

If you should raise your hand against me to kill me, then I shall not raise my hand against you to kill you. Verily, I fear Allah the Lord of the worlds. (5:28)

Source: Sunan Abu Dawud 4257, Grade: Hasan

Moreover, Jesus showed tremendous patience, forbearance, and mercy during the whole event, as he prayed for Allah to forgive his oppressors.

As recorded in the book of Luke:

ὁ δὲ Ἰησοῦς ἔλεγεν Πάτερ, ἄφες αὐτοῖς· οὐ γὰρ οἴδασιν τί ποιοῦσιν. διαμεριζόμενοι δὲ τὰ ἱμάτια αὐτοῦ ἔβαλον κλήρους

Jesus said: Father, forgive them for they know not what they do. And they cast lots to divide his garments.

Source: Luke 23:34

This exact incident was mentioned by Prophet Muhammad.

Abdullah ibn Mas’ud reported: I saw the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, tell the story of a prophet who was beaten by his people and he wiped the blood from his face, saying:

رَبِّ اغْفِرْ لِقَوْمِي فَإِنَّهُمْ لاَ يَعْلَمُونَ

My Lord, forgive my people for they do not know.

Source: Sahih Bukhari 6530, Grade: Muttafaqun Alayhi

So Jesus was handed over to the authorities and he refused to defend himself in order to protect the lives of his companions. They abused him, spat on him, placed a crown of thorns on his head, and yet he still asked Allah to forgive them. When the moment came to take him to the cross upon which to crucify him, Allah raised his soul to heaven and He spared His Messenger from this pain and humiliation. At-Tabari reported:

حَتَّى أَتَوْا بِهِ الْخَشَبَةَ الَّتِي أَرَادُوا أَنْ يَصْلُبُوهُ عَلَيْهَا ، فَرَفَعَهُ اللَّهُ إِلَيْهِ وَصَلَبُوا مَا شُبِّهَ لَهُمْ

Thus they brought him to the piece of wood upon which they wished to crucify him, but Allah raised him up to Himself and they crucified what was made to appear for them.

What was made to appear to them was the crucifixion of his body while his soul was protected in heaven. This is the meaning of Allah’s words, “I will take you and raise you to Myself.” (3:55)

Ibn Kathir reported: Ibn Abbas explained the verse, saying:

إِنِّي مُتَوَفِّيكَ أَيْ مُمِيتُكَ

“I will take you,” means I will cause you to die.

Source: Tafseer Ibn Kathir 3:55

And Wahb explained the verse, saying:

أَمَاتَهُ اللَّهُ ثَلَاثَةَ أَيَّامٍ ثُمَّ بَعَثَهُ ثُمَّ رَفَعَهُ

Allah made him die for three days, then He resurrected him, then He ascended him.

The resurrection of Jesus after his bodily death and his ascension to heaven is the signature miracle of his prophetic career, just as Moses’ miracle was the parting of the sea and Muhammad’s miracle is the revelation of the Quran. The miracle of the resurrection definitively proved the truth of the Day of Resurrection, which some Jews had denied, and also that Allah’s will can never be frustrated. Although the body of Jesus was killed, they could never kill his soul and prevent his message from being delivered.

Allah said:

وَمَا قَتَلُوهُ يَقِينًا

For certain, they did not kill him.

Surah An-Nisa 4:157

This is because those who are martyred for the sake of Allah can never die.

Allah said:

وَلَا تَحْسَبَنَّ الَّذِينَ قُتِلُوا فِي سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ أَمْوَاتًا ۚ بَلْ أَحْيَاءٌ عِندَ رَبِّهِمْ يُرْزَقُونَ

Never think of those who have been killed in the cause of Allah as dead. Rather, they are alive with their Lord, receiving provision.

Surah Ali Imran 3:169

And this is why Jesus said:

إِنِّي قَدْ رَفَعَنِي اللَّهُ إِلَيْهِ وَلَمْ يُصِبْنِي إِلَّا خَيْرٌ وَإِنَّ هَذَا شَيْءٌ شُبِّهَ لَهُمْ

Verily, Allah has raised me unto Himself and nothing befell me except goodness, for this is something which was made to appear to them.

And the book of Luke reads:

λέγω δὲ ὑμῖν τοῖς φίλοις μου, Μὴ φοβηθῆτε ἀπὸ τῶν ἀποκτεινόντων τὸ σῶμα, καὶ μετὰ ταῦτα μὴ ἐχόντων περισσότερόν τι ποιῆσαι

I say to you, my friends, do not be afraid of those who kill the body and after that have no more that they can do.

Source: Luke 12:4

Therefore, we can conclude that the enemies of Jesus never crucified or killed his soul, but rather what was “made to appear to them” was only the crucifixion of his body. In our opinion, this is the best interpretation because it reconciles the Quran with the Gospel narrative and historical accounts, and it preserves the wise lesson of peaceful martyrdom and forgiveness also taught by Prophet Muhammad.

Furthermore, it should be mentioned that some of the most ardent supporters of the “substitution theory” are themselves Christians who attempt to use the story as proof that Islam is a heretical sect of Christianity. By affirming the historical crucifixion and reconciling it with the Quran, these Christians will no longer be able to use such stories against Islam.

Finally, it must be said that biographical details of Jesus’ life are not as important as his message and practical teachings. There are numerous interpretations of the verse, “it was made to appear to them,” and we have only presented what we believe is the strongest opinion. It is not necessary for Muslims to accept this interpretation if they believe in another explanation reported in the books of exegesis. What a Muslim is required to believe about Jesus was mentioned specifically by the Prophet, namely that Jesus is the servant of Allah, His Messenger, His word bestowed upon Mary, and His spirit from Him.

Ubaida ibn As-Samit reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said:

مَنْ قَالَ أَشْهَدُ أَنْ لَا إِلَهَ إِلَّا اللَّهُ وَحْدَهُ لَا شَرِيكَ لَهُ وَأَنَّ مُحَمَّدًا عَبْدُهُ وَرَسُولُهُ وَأَنَّ عِيسَى عَبْدُ اللَّهِ وَابْنُ أَمَتِهِ وَكَلِمَتُهُ أَلْقَاهَا إِلَى مَرْيَمَ وَرُوحٌ مِنْهُ وَأَنَّ الْجَنَّةَ حَقٌّ وَأَنَّ النَّارَ حَقٌّ أَدْخَلَهُ اللَّهُ مِنْ أَيِّ أَبْوَابِ الْجَنَّةِ الثَّمَانِيَةِ شَاءَ

Whoever testifies that there is no God but Allah alone without any partners and that Muhammad is His servant and His Messenger, and that Jesus is the servant of Allah, His word which He bestowed upon Mary and His spirit from Him, and that Paradise is true and Hellfire is true, then he will enter through any of the eight gates of Paradise he wishes.

Source: Sahih Muslim 28, Grade: Sahih

In conclusion, the meaning of Allah’s words, “They did not kill him nor crucify him, but rather it was made to appear to them,” refers to the crucifixion of the body of Jesus while his soul was raised to heaven. This interpretation is based upon exegetical reports and supporting evidence from the Quran and Sunnah. It is not necessary for Muslims to adopt this opinion, but we believe this is the strongest interpretation because it reconciles the Quran with the historical narrative, it preserves the moral lessons taught by Jesus’ martyrdom, and it prevents Christians from using substitution interpretations against Islam.

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Farhan Qureshi Renounces Islam
Farhan Qureshi was raised as an Ahmadi Muslim, but later became an orthodox Muslim. (Ahmadis believe in all five pillars and all six articles of faith of Sunni Islam, but they have some different beliefs about end times. Unfortunately, their unorthodox eschatological views have led to worldwide persecution at the hands of their more orthodox counterparts.)

Sam, Nabeel, James, and I have had a number of public debates with Farhan on the Deity of Christ, the inspiration of the Qur'an, the prophethood of Muhammad, and other topics (click here to watch some of our debates with Farhan). Farhan was once a member of the infamous Muslim Debate Initiative (which seems to be crumbling). The general consensus of those of us who knew Farhan was this: "It's only a matter of time before Farhan leaves Islam. He's too good a guy to keep defending these teachings."

Recently, Farhan circulated a letter declaring his apostasy. I didn't post the letter or announce his decision, since I wasn't sure he wanted this information to go public. However, Farhan has now quite publicly proclaimed his apostasy. Here's the announcement posted on Faith Freedom:

After years of having been involved in think tanks, advocacy groups, da’wah (invitation or propagation) initiatives and academic apologetics as a Muslim, I have I decided to evolve my perspective of reality and existence as knowledge has reached me and renounce my faith in Islam. This was a thought out decision that took months of prayer, consideration, evaluation and knowledge-seeking on my part. Every bit as it has been a search for meaning and truth is has been a grieving process for me to realize that what I have been attached to all of these years is in fact not the ultimate reality behind our existence. Nevertheless it is simultaneously liberation and continued enlightenment that brings about serenity and peace of mind for me as well.

My apostasy has not been based on disliking Islam or its requirements rather it was based on a realization that Islam is in direct contradiction with contemporary knowledge involving and including science, philosophy, ethics, anthropology, and the field which I am most interested in, educated in and practice as my line of work, namely, psychology: the science and study of human behavior.

In the coming months I plan to contribute articles to FFI which explore the behavior and psyche of the different types of Muslims out there: the western Muslim, the mystic (Sufi), the purist (Salafi), and the politically driven (Hizb/Ikhwan) are among the many colors of the Ummah, each having its own set of advocates with unique behaviors and mentality. I have spent time and energy studying and experiencing the different denominations and sub-cultures within the Ummah. Having experienced their spirituality and religiosity first hand, having studied with their scholars and preachers, and having read books, articles and arguments from them, I believe that I have a grasp of where they stand psychologically and I plan to explore this more in-depth in the near future as I publish articles.

I realized that 1400 years worth of consistent Islamiyya theology is not what I believed was the ultimate truth, rather I realized that it was a primitive attempt at understanding and implementing social, spiritual, religious and ethical standards. These seventh century standards might give slight insight into how humanity, and in this case, Arab civilization was evolving and progressing from its previous ‘jahiliyya’ or ignorance, and yet effectively became stagnant with its own set of conservative traditionalism that would not allow Arab civilization to move forward. The only attempts at progression were the rationalist Mu’tazilites of the eight century which gave rise to what many observe as the Golden Age of Islam. Yet these rationalists were viewed as heretics and apostates themselves and would become extinct by the thirteenth century. Instead dogmatic traditionalism or Sunnah would thrive in the Muslim world and the European Renaissance with its progressive attitude would pick up where the all but extinct Middle Eastern rationalists left off.

Perhaps the most important realization I have come to is that I would receive the death penalty under Shariah law for simply coming to these conclusions or realizations. This disturbs me to the core and demonstrates how the Ummah uses fear tactics under its Shariah system in order to preserve and strengthen their theological and political agenda. What I am grateful for however is the opportunity to witness the evolution of humanity where we no longer are restricted by primitive forms of theology and law and yet we continue to strive for integrity, honesty, humility, character development, and moral stability. There is a promising future for our species and not a dark one as theologians are attempting to brainwash their adherents with.

As a Muslim apologist I remember debating at numerous types of venues including Mosques, Churches, Universities, Convention Halls and Libraries. Having engaged with notable Christian apologists such as Dr. James White, Dr. Tony Costa and Professor David Wood I learned that the purpose of apologetics was not confrontation rather to come to an understanding of truth even if it meant evolving one’s own perspective. The idea of receiving an apparent truth is to embrace it, not fight it. The moment we try to fight an apparent truth or reality we begin to dwell in hypocrisy: understanding that something is apparently true and yet denying it for selfish reasons or attachment to preconceived notions. I want to thank Ali Sina for giving me the platform to explore Islam and to expose its primitive nature as incompatible with contemporary reality unless and

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / lack of miracles
« on: May 19, 2016, 06:23:51 PM »
on the answering islam page someone wrote this, how do you refute it?

5. The Lack of Miracles

The Quran states that Muhammad did not need to work any miracles other than the revelation of the Quran itself (Q. 6:125, 29:50). The Quran claims itself that it is unable to be reproduced (Q. 17:88). Christian polemicists contrasted the miracles of Jesus and the Old Testament prophets like Moses to the lack of Muhammad’s miracles.  Muslims soon began to manufacture miracles to counter Christian charges. The hadiths are full of miracles that are clearly created as polemical counters to charges by Christians and Jews

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / this quote is it true
« on: May 19, 2016, 05:43:15 PM »
when Omar commenced his famous mosque on the site of Solomon's Temple, the building, in spite of all his efforts, continually fell down, and on the Caliph inquiring of the Jews the reason of this prodigy, the later informed him it was because of the cross which the Christians had erected upon their church on the Mount of Olives, whereupon Omar ordered that cross, and many others, to be demolished." Cedrenus, Hist. Comp p.754.
"In 609 a comet appeared, and in the same year during processions of crosses, the crosses swayed to and from". St. Theodore Siceotes when asked by St. Thomas, Patriarch of Constantinople, interpreted as such: "...be it known unto you that this movement of the crosses foretokens unto us great and numberless calamities. Myriads of Christians will shortly abandon our most holy religion; there will be such bloodshed as hath not been seen before...the coming of the adversary is at hand."

Ambrose Lisle Phillipps' book.

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This has got me questioning my faith please watch the video

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hDp8nHvCp1o

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Bukhari (41.598) - Slaves are property. They cannot be freed if an owner has outstanding debt, but can be used to pay off the debt.

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just was curious

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Bukhari :: Book 1 :: Volume 11 :: Hadith 626

Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said, "No prayer is harder for the hypocrites than the Fajr and the 'Isha' prayers and if they knew the reward for these prayers at their respective times, they would certainly present themselves (in the mosques) even if they had to  crawl." The Prophet added, "Certainly I decided to order the Mu'adh-dhin (call-maker) to pronounce Iqama and order a man to lead the prayer and then take a fire flame to burn all those who had not left their houses so far for the prayer along with their houses."

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Osama Abdullah I understand that slaves in Islam were treated as family, however why is it considered that a female slave is part of a temporary marriage. Dont get me wrong I know you cannot rape female slaves or put them into prostitution, but why were we allowed to have sexual interourse with them. BTW i have read some parts on you're site but I still need an answer for this specific question. Some may have had husbands they loved but why did the temporary marriage nullify the marriage?  Also according to some narration the prophet Muhammad SAW married one of his wives just after her husband got killed, was she really in the mood to get married?

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