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MAIN BOARD (You must register to post) => ISLAMIC DISCUSSIONS | GOD | QURAN | QURAN CANON & HISTORY | HADITHS & SUNNA => Hadiths & Sunna, and Prophet Muhammad's Person => Topic started by: Tanveer on October 02, 2012, 03:01:39 PM

Title: A bit of help needed on a debate on youtube.
Post by: Tanveer on October 02, 2012, 03:01:39 PM: Salam alaykum everyone.
So yeah ive been having a bit of a problem on a hadith my opponent gave me on youtube and asked me to explain the reasons. The Hadith is Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 819 which is the one about the Prophet(pbuh) ordering the killing of two poets in makkah. I tried looking for this hadith on the answering christianity website and also others but couldnt find the reason i have also looked for the chain of narration and stuff to see if its a strong hadith but unfortunately i havent been able to get anywhere. So yeah i would appreciate someone explaning it to me or giving me evidence that its fabricated,strong etc etc. If it IS on the answering christianity website would someone please send the link so i could see it. Thanks guys ;D
Title: Re: A bit of help needed on a debate on youtube.
Post by: muzi123 on October 03, 2012, 02:10:40 AM: http://www.answering-christian-claims.com/The-Problems-With-Ibn-Ishaq.html
http://www.answering-christian-claims.com/False_Stories_About_Prophet_Muhammad.html
click both the first 1 talks about who he is n second 1 is rufuting false claims on prophet
Title: Re: A bit of help needed on a debate on youtube.
Post by: muzi123 on October 03, 2012, 02:37:41 AM: http://www.answering-christianity.com/umar/dead_poets_rebuttal.htm
Title: Re: A bit of help needed on a debate on youtube.
Post by: RamziBinNabil on October 03, 2012, 11:17:11 AM: Wa `Alaykumus-SalÃ¢m Wa RahmatullÃ¢hi Wa BarakÃ¢tuh brother,
Ibn Ishaq is not even a reliable narrator. I knew that way before I read your post.
Title: Re: A bit of help needed on a debate on youtube.
Post by: RamziBinNabil on October 03, 2012, 11:27:16 AM: "Furthermore, early literary critics, like ibn Sallām al-Jumaḥī and ibn al-Nadīm, censured ibn Isḥāq for knowingly including forged poems in his biography, and for attributing poems to persons not known to have written any poetry. The 14th-century historian al-Dhahabī, using hadith terminology, noted that in addition to the forged (makdhūb) poetry, Ibn Isḥāq filled his sīra with many munqaṭiʿ and munkar reports." From www.wikipedia.com.
Title: Re: A bit of help needed on a debate on youtube.
Post by: Tanveer on October 03, 2012, 02:37:05 PM: Thank you all for your comments really helped :)