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Can anyone also explain verse 2:113 where it says:

(The Noble Qur'an, 2:113) The Jews say: "The Christians have naught (to stand) upon; and the Christians say: "The Jews have naught (To stand) upon." Yet they (Profess to) study the (same) Book. Like unto their word is what those say who know not; but God will judge between them in their quarrel on the Day of Judgment.

^Does this mean that both their books are good and uncorrupted?

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The Quran described The Jews as used to corrupt the word of God by all possible means

adding, deleting passages,misapplying passages by false interpretations, they even ,twist their tongues with falsehoods trying to sell them as scripture,writing a text claiming it to be from God

Thank you for showing how the Quran says the Torah/Bible are corrupted. But it still raises a question to the Christian that thinks this verse is a contradiction. And that question is "why would Allah make you believe in something that he recognized is corrupted, isn't this a contradiction in the Quran?"

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As'salamu Alaikum Everyone,

The following are two debates that I uploaded today from the four.  There are two more, which I'll get to tomorrow, insha'Allah:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gk826x7KbU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUNKYYkfuM8

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

You killed these debates!!!

Congratulations and Alhamdulilah!

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Thank you very much for your post. I can't wait until you finish it  :)

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Meteors In The Quran
« on: June 20, 2013, 03:52:58 PM »
ASSALAMUALYKUM.
 
 A confusion still remains,


Were they to see a piece of the sky (kesaf) falling (on them), they would (only) say: "Clouds gathered in heaps!"  Tur: 52:44

 The above Ayah is referring to one single meteor I think. So, my friends and relatives have seen meteor shooting at night. But they didn't see any cloud at the time of shooting. They only saw light. But the above verse says clouds are visible when a meteor shoots. So please someone crystallize the matter for me. Please make me understand the above Ayah. An another thing, how can meteor be a piece of the sky???? PLEASE HELP.

A meteor is a piece of the heavens (sama). Sama may refer tot he sky or universe. So a piece of the universe came down.

Have you seen a meteor strike in the morning? I have, sometimes it resembles clouds. But that is not the point of the verse. The point of the verse was Allah exposing the absurdity of denying Allah's signs, saying that its not a meteor it is just Clouds. Its absurd to say that.

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ASSALAMUALYKUM,

 Still if you have any confusion just raise it. It's better to clear off all the confusions once and for all.
 
Take Care

Yes but that verse tells us to believe in the Torah and Gospel not just acknowledge it is from Allah.

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Youtube debate..still crazy!
« on: June 20, 2013, 12:27:53 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8Yx7YMH8Gs&lc=y26xwVgjd_m_oJXnhfxfO3TdCozi25XP7KYC9VItaZo

I'm currently debating with a user called 'Jesus or Muhammad' (its most likely from the answeringislam team or sam shamoun) in the youtube video. He has been here for weeks and he is debating everyone. It is entertaining to read and perhaps you could pitch in there.


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Were the Gospel/injeel corrupted during the Quran revelation, or was it perfect at the time?

according to the Quran ,yes they were already corrupted ,during the Quran revelation ....


Injeel is not typical to the new testament ,according to the Quran:


Injeel ?

1- A revelation was sent to Jesus, as a guidance and light, confirmation yet modifying few items of the Law that had come before him, to make clear to Jews some of the (points) on which they dispute, a guidance and an admonition to those who fear God, verses 5:046,3:50 ,43:63 ...

2 - It HAS TO BE mostly the saying parts of the the synoptic gospels

Holy Quran[007:157] "Those who follow the apostle, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures),- in the Torah and the Injil;- for he commands them what is just and forbids them what is evil; he allows them as lawful what is good (and pure) and prohibits them from what is bad (and impure); He releases them from their heavy burdens and from the yokes that are upon them. So it is those who believe in him, honour him, help him, and follow the light which is sent down with him,- it is they who will prosper."

the Quran though tells that both the books were tampered with(we have exposed that in previous posts),yet most the truth has remained therein .....
the verse is not telling Christians,Jews to go look up a passage (s) in a lost gospel .....

the Injeel is mostly within the new testament .... why mostly? The Quran quotes the Injeel (besides the torah),directly ?

Holy Quran[009:111] God hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Torah, the Injil, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than God?

Holy Quran [048:029] Muhammad is the apostle of God; and those who are with him are strong against Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other. Thou wilt see them bow and prostrate themselves (in prayer), seeking Grace from God and (His) Good Pleasure. On their faces are their marks, (being) the traces of their prostration. This is their similitude in the Taurat; and their similitude in the Injil is: like a seed which sends forth its blade, then makes it strong; it then becomes thick, and it stands on its own stem, (filling) the sowers with wonder and delight. As a result, it fills the Unbelievers with rage at them. God has promised those among them who believe and do righteous deeds forgiveness, and a great Reward.

Are such promise & proverb to be found in the Old and New Testament?

if they are not there, then the Saying gospel (which is within the New testament) is missing some parts.....

If the following modifications of the Law were parts of the Injeel, and no mention about them in the saying gospel, then we can be assured of missing parts in the saying gospel that are parts of the Injeel .....

Holy Quran 3:50 "'(I have come to you), to attest the Law which was before me. And to make lawful to you part of what was (Before) forbidden to you; I have come to you with a Sign from your Lord. So fear Allah, and obey me.

Holy Quran 43:63 When Jesus came with Clear Signs, he said: "Now have I come to you with Wisdom, and in order to make clear to you some of the (points) on which ye dispute: therefore fear Allah and obey me.. that is why I said the Injeel is MOSTLY within the saying gospel ..

Yes but if you tell that to a Christian, then they will say that the Quran is contradicting itself because in verse 4:136 it says to believe in the Torah and the Gospel as they were when they were given to muhammad. The Christian would say: "why would God make you believe in a false book if the Quran recognizes those books were corrupted?" Because at one place, the Torah/gospel were corrupted and in another place the Quran says believe IN them.

"O you who have believed, believe in Allah AND His Messenger AND the Book that He sent down upon His Messenger AND the Scripture which He sent down before. AND whoever disbelieves in Allah , His angels, His books, His messengers, AND the Last Day has certainly gone far astray" 4:136

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Meteors In The Quran
« on: June 20, 2013, 11:56:48 AM »
Brother Osama still I don't understand the following verse,


Were they to see a piece of the sky (kesaf) falling (on them), they would (only) say: "Clouds gathered in heaps!"  Tur: 52:44

 
Brother, Are clouds really seen when a meteor hits the earth surface???? As the article which I mentioned above says that this verse is talking about Meteors. But still I don't get it. Many of my relatives have seen meteors but they didn't see any cloud with them. So the article by brother Kaheel is confusing me. Please help me. Explain the fact in detail. Please.

 MAY ALLAH THE MOST HIGH BLESS YOU AND YOUR FAMILY AND THE ENTIRE MUSLIM UMMAH.

Hello Brother Farhan, Happy day today  :D

The verse in the Quran 52:44 is talking about the absurdity of people denying Allah's signs. They see a meteor with their eyes and the first thing they do is say "it is not a punishment from Allah, its just Clouds piled up". In this verse, Allah is revealing the absurdity of people who deny his signs and the absurdity of their excuses to deny his signs.

But, I have seen meteor showers myself, and the meteor usually has a tail and astronomer call it a dust CLOUD. There is a reason why they chose to call it a 'cloud'. When  meteor shower hits earth, it leaves dubris that is pretty much a dust cloud. Sometimes it may resemble a real cloud.

But even if they resemble a real cloud, we know it is not a normal cloud that verse in the Quran is talking about the absurdity of those people who deny God's punishment.


Take a look at: http://reentry.arc.nasa.gov/scienceastro.html






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ASSALAMUALYKUM.

                  Brother, I think by this verse Allah is asking us to believe that Quran, Injeel, Zabur, Tawrat etc are the revelations of Allah. No human or angel revealed them. So we must have faith on these books also. Yes now, except Quran all other divine books such as Injeel,Zabur,Tawrat etc have  become corrupted. But we have to believe that those are the revelations of Allah. No human has created them or written them. And Allah didn't corrupt them. It is humans who have corrupted them.

 Take care

Hey Farhan, I understand what you mean. But that verse is very clear that we have to believe in the Ijeel/Gospel the same way we believe in the Quran.   Right?

Were the Gospel/injeel corrupted during the Quran revelation, or was it perfect at the time?

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Quran 4:136 says: O you who have believed, believe in Allah and His Messenger and the Book that He sent down upon His Messenger and the Scripture which He sent down before. And whoever disbelieves in Allah , His angels, His books, His messengers, and the Last Day has certainly gone far astray.

Christians like to say:

"Why would God force you to believe in a corrupted/altered/false book, especially when the Quran says people have corrupted the bible/torah"

Explanation anyone?

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Thank you very much brother!  :D

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Amazing video! But it still raises the question. If the Quran was recited and not written, how did the prophet know certain spellings of words when he was illiterate. Atheists like to say that the spellings of words were purposely put there to make those numberical miracles because the prophet was illiterate and didn't know how to spell.

The Prophet has become literate.  After all, the very first Noble Verse that was revealed to him, instructed him and every Muslim to be literate.  But the True Miracle of the Glorious Quran's Writings is really from Allah Almighty.  Allah Almighty not only inspired the Prophet on how the Holy Quran should be written, but Allah Almighty also inspired the Scribes.  Not only that, but Allah Almighty also inspired the ordinary Believers who were TOP QURANIC SCHOLARS on how to recite the Holy Quran.  Allah Almighty took a Divine Promise Upon Himself to Preserve the Holy Quran's:

1-  Text.
2-  Recitation.
3-  Compilation and Ordering.


Please visit: www.answering-christianity.com/quran/textual.htm

I hope this helps, insha'Allah, dear brother.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

So Muhammad (pbuh) might have possibly told the companions to spell a word this way instead?

Do you of any sources or hadiths that hint at this?


Can you please also explain the whole computer program stuff: LIke how humans can make a chapter of the Quran like the Quran by a computer program. How do we respond.

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As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers and sisters,

The spelling of each Word in the Glorious Quran is done on Divine Purpose, and is Miraculous.  Many many Words are spelled in different variations throughout the Glorious Quran.  And the amazing thing about them is that their Numerical values being multiple of the #19 without remainders testify to the Divinity of the Spelling of the Glorious Quran.  To really understand this, please visit:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_part_2_episode_10.wmv

The video is 100% in English.  I used an advanced software that spoke my translation.  The voice is clear and all in English.  Some of the hard-to-pronounce Noble Words I had to do them with my own voice.  But other than that, the video is all in the beautiful and professional voice that my software had.  I am also translating a 653-page book that gave hundreds of examples of the Glorious Quran's Amazing Numerical Miracles.

So the Noble Quran is perfectly preserved the way Allah Almighty Wanted It in:

1-  Writing.
2-  Pronunciation.
3-  Ordering of Noble Chapters (Surahs) and Noble Verses.

I hope this helps, insha'Allah.  Please watch the video.  You'll like it, insha'Allah.  There is another one at: http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links.

There are 30 videos about this, which went through the 653-page book that I am currently translating.  I will translate the videos in English insha'Allah after I finish the book.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

Amazing video! But it still raises the question. If the Quran was recited and not written, how did the prophet know certain spellings of words when he was illiterate. Atheists like to say that the spellings of words were purposely put there to make those numberical miracles because the prophet was illiterate and didn't know how to spell.

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I am a bit confused Brother mclinkin. The Quran did come to the Prophet PBUH verbally but i dont think he did anything to it. He simply relayed exactly what he was told by Angel Gabriel. Atleast, thats what ive always been told.

I'm saying that the prophet got the Quran verbally and he told his companions to write the Quranic verses. The companions spelled a word in a way sometimes and in a different way. For example, Imagine I use 'Color' and 'Colour' in the same sentence. Atheists/Christians like to say it was a mistake, Muslims say it was purposely put there. How did the prophet tell the companions the way a word would be spelled if he was illiterate.

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