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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Quran's challenge
« on: March 30, 2015, 04:30:48 AM »
Asalaamualaikum
There is no criteria for writing a verse like that in the Quran. The challenge set down by Allah is one that has no fulfilment, as Allah knew that people would try to do this and speak against the Quran, like people have done with the Torah and the Bible, as they were not protected from corruption. This challenge could in fact, be to do with the many fabricated hadiths, that clewarlty contradict the Quran, Allah knows best.........

There are however two other verses that Allah states as to the fact that the challenge to reproducing a verse like that in the Quran can not be done....even though some claim it has already been done, but they are liars.

And if ye are in doubt concerning that which We reveal unto Our slave (Muhammad), then produce a surah of the like thereof, and call your witness beside Allah if ye are truthful. ) And if ye do it not - and ye can never do it - then guard yourselves against the Fire prepared for disbelievers, whose fuel is of men and stones.  2:23-24

Say: Verily, though mankind and the jinn should assemble to produce the like of this Qur'an, they could not produce the like thereof though they were helpers one of another. 17:88

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Thats ok QuransearchCom, but what I will write hear is the REMINDER FROM THE QURAN....concerning the hadiths...

A note first though,,,,the Quran is a reminder, a confirmation of the books revealed before time, that is the Torah and the Bible. Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him and his family,  came as only a warner of the reminder, the Quran to the Jews and the Christians, to follow their books and implement the teachings within their books. And if any where to believe in the Quran, and submit as a submitter ( to Islam ) then so be it. After all it is mentioned that the Jews and Christians would know the truth of the Quran as they would of read similar to that in their own books. But too is the mention of the Jews and Christians changing the words of their books.
And as Muhammad,peace and blessings be upon him and his family, would teach these Jews, they would be the first ones to write the hadiths in his presence, as so called believers, though they really secretly disbelieved, then would change the hadiths after they left Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him and his family. So now to what Allah states in the Quran..........

Have ye any hope that they will be true to you when a party of them used to listen to the word of Allah, then used to change it, after they had understood it, knowingly?  And when they fall in with those who believe, they say: We believe. But when they go apart one with another they say: Prate ye to them of that which Allah hath disclosed to you that they may contend with you before your Lord concerning it? Have ye then no sense? 2:75-76

 Seest thou not those unto whom a portion of the Scripture hath been given, how they purchase error, and seek to make you (Muslims) err from the right way?  Allah knoweth best (who are) your enemies. Allah is sufficient as a Friend, and Allah is sufficient as a Helper. Some of those who are Jews change words from their context and say: "We hear and disobey; hear thou as one cannot be made hear not" and "Listen to us!" distorting with their tongues and slandering religion. If they had said: "We hear and we obey: hear thou, and look at us" it had been better for them, and more upright. But Allah hath cursed them for their disbelief, so they believe not, save a few. 4;44-46

 Hast thou not seen those who pretend that they believe in that which is revealed unto thee and that which was revealed before thee, how they would go for judgment (in their disputes) to false deities when they have been ordered to abjure them? Satan would mislead them far astray. (60) And when it is said unto them: Come unto that which Allah hath revealed and unto the messenger, thou seest the hypocrites turn from thee with aversion. 4:60-61

And they say: (It is) obedience; but when they have gone forth from thee a party of them spend the night in planning other than what thou sayest. Allah recordeth what they plan by night. So oppose them and put thy trust in Allah. Allah is sufficient as Trustee.  Will they not then ponder on the Qur'an? If it had been from other than Allah they would have found therein much incongruity. 4;81-82

 Lo! those who disbelieve in Allah and His messengers, and seek to make distinction between Allah and His messengers, and say: We believe in some and disbelieve in others, and seek to choose a way in between; 4;150

And because of their breaking their covenant, We have cursed them and made hard their hearts. They change words from their context and forget a part of that whereof they were admonished. Thou wilt not cease to discover treachery from all save a few of them. But bear with them and pardon them. Lo! Allah loveth the kindly.  And with those who say: "Lo! we are Christians," We made a covenant, but they forgot a part of that whereof they were admonished. Therefor We have stirred up enmity and hatred among them till the Day of Resurrection, when Allah will inform them of their handiwork. O People of the Scripture! Now hath Our messenger come unto you, expounding unto you much of that which ye used to hide in the Scripture, and forgiving much. Now hath come unto you light from Allah and plain Scripture,  Whereby Allah guideth him who seeketh His good pleasure unto paths of peace. He bringeth them out of darkness unto light by His decree, and guideth them unto a straight path.  They indeed have disbelieved who say: Lo! Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary. Say: Who then can do aught against Allah, if He had willed to destroy the Messiah son of Mary, and his mother and everyone on earth? Allah's is the Sovereignty of the heavens and the earth and all that is between them. He createth what He will. And Allah is Able to do all things.  The Jews and Christians say: We are sons of Allah and His loved ones. Say: Why then doth He chastise you for your sins? Nay, ye are but mortals of His creating. He forgiveth whom He will, and chastiseth whom He will. Allah's is the Sovereignty of the heavens and the earth and all that is between them, and unto Him is the journeying.  O People of the Scripture! Now hath Our messenger come unto you to make things plain unto you after an interval (of cessation) of the messengers, lest ye should say: There came not unto us a messenger of cheer nor any warner. Now hath a messenger of cheer and a warner come unto you. Allah is Able to do all things. 5:13-19

Thus have We appointed unto every prophet an adversary - devils of humankind and jinn who inspire in one another plausible discourse through guile. If thy Lord willed, they would not do so; so leave them alone with their devising; 6:112

Shall I seek other than Allah for judge, when He it is Who hath revealed unto you (this) Scripture, fully explained? Those unto whom We gave the Scripture (aforetime) know that it is revealed from thy Lord in truth. So be not thou (O Muhammad) of the waverers. (114) Perfected is the Word of thy Lord in truth and justice. There is naught that can change His words. He is the Hearer, the Knower. 6:114-115

And when Our revelations are recited unto them, thou knowest the denial in the faces of those who disbelieve; they all but attack those who recite Our revelations unto them. Say: Shall I proclaim unto you worse than that? The Fire! Allah hath promised it for those who disbelieve. A hapless journey's end! 22:72

When the hypocrites come unto thee (O Muhammad), they say: We bear witness that thou art indeed Allah's messenger. And Allah knoweth that thou art indeed His messenger, and Allah beareth witness that the Hypocrites indeed are speaking falsely.  They make their faith a pretext so that they may turn (men) from the way of Allah. Verily evil is that which they are wont to do. 63;1-2

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Definition of Messiah
« on: March 24, 2015, 05:23:36 AM »
Messiah means....a leader regarded as the saviour of a particular country, group, or cause. Jesus, peace and blessings be upon him and his family, was given this title, and will attain this title more so when he returns, in his second coming. This will be when he tells the Christians the truth as to what they were previously believing in....in a false assumptions.
Messiah does not mean he has to die on a cross....who made up this assumption, ask them? this is nothing but conjecture and mindless hope and confusion on their part. Christians have no real recourse as to how to explain there own beliefs.

And because of their disbelief and of their speaking against Mary a tremendous calumny; And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah's messenger - they slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain. But Allah took him up unto Himself. Allah was ever Mighty, Wise. There is not one of the People of the Scripture but will believe in him before his death, and on the Day of Resurrection he will be a witness against them - 4;156-159

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Nibiru as shown in the Quran

And what will make thee know what that is? 101:10

 A burning Fire. 101:11
 By no means! Surely it is a flaming Fire, 70:15
Plucking out the extremities —70:16
 It shall claim him who retreats and turns his back, 70:17
 And hoards then withholds. But they deny the Hour, and We have prepared a burning Fire for him who denies the Hour. 70:18

 When it sees them from a far-off place, they will hear its raging and roaring.25:12
And if We had made it a Quran in a foreign tongue, they would have said: Why have not its messages been made clear? What! a foreign (tongue) and an Arab! Say: It is to those who believe a guidance and a healing, and those who believe not, there is a deafness in their ears and it is obscure to them. These are called to from a place afar.41:44

Allah the most Merciful the most Wise said in the Holy Quran about the Hour when Planet Nibiru which is Sijjeel/ Saqqar as we know it, as Hell itself, that it would come all of a sudden, as it's stated here:

"They ask you about the Hour, when will it come to pass? Say: The knowledge thereof is with my Lord only. None but He will manifest it at its time. It is momentous in the heavens and the earth. It will not come to you but of a sudden. They ask you as if you are in control thereof. Say: Its knowledge is with Allah only, but most people know not."7:187


The Orbit of Nibiru

In this ayah the city of Lot,11:82,............When Our Decree issued, We turned (the cities) upside down, and rained down on them brimstones made of baked clay (FROM SIJIL). 11:82

 the verse is also translated as.. made high low, or, we overthrew...so the town was not turned upside down but the order of the planets was turned upside down as planet sijil/saqar appeared from the North Pole and the order of the planets reversed...this was 4166 years and 8 months ago(1 Nibiru Year). The Next passing will be from the South Pole. This passing will be the 12th year of Nibiru. This is the 12th time ( FINAL PASSAGE ) the Planet Sijil passes making the total years 12 X 4166.66=50.000 years in line with the ayah:

 A questioner asked about a Torture to befall-
The Unbelievers, the which of there is none to ward off,-
(A Torture) from Allah, Lord of the Ways of Ascent.
The angels and the spirit ascend unto him in a Day the measure whereof is (as) fifty thousand years:
Therefore do thou hold Patience,- a Patience of beautiful (contentment).
They see the (Day) indeed as a far-off (event):
But We see it (quite) near. 70:1-7

The verse continues as such.......   

The day when the sky will become as molten copper, And the hills become as flakes of wool, And no familiar friend will ask a question of his friend Though they will be given sight of them. The guilty man will long to be able to ransom himself from the punishment of that day at the price of his children And his spouse and his brother  And his kin that harbored him  And all that are in the earth, if then it might deliver him. But nay! for lo! it is the fire of hell Eager to roast; It calleth him who turned and fled (from truth), And hoarded (wealth) and withheld it. 70:8-18

 Nibiru will traverse around from the poles.Allah speaks of the Poles as its extremities, the furthest points, borders, outlaying parts, sides......depending on your translated version.......Also the mention of reducing it, of land and population.

And verily We sent messengers (to mankind) before thee, and We appointed for them wives and offspring, and it was not (given) to any messenger that he should bring a portent save by Allah's leave. For everything there is a time prescribed. Allah effaceth what He will, and establisheth (what He will), and with Him is the source of ordinance. Whether We let thee see something of that which We have promised them, or make thee die (before its happening), thine is but conveyance (of the message). Ours the reckoning. See they not how we visit the land, reducing it of its outlying parts? (When) Allah doometh there is none that can postpone His doom, and He is swift at reckoning. 13:38-41


Nibiru and the 7 Earths


Without the discovery of the tenth planet Nibiru*, we would not of been able to understand surah 74, and others that make mention of Saqar, Nibiru.
 Next to our earth there are seven Earths (Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, Pluto, and NOW Nibiru)  A predestined arrival. The scientists call it the tenth planet, in line with all the planets mentioned above including Mercury and Venus.

As you will see, Mercury and Venus are between the Sun and the Earth, and are therefore not considered Earth type planets. Allah states there are 7 Earths after our Earth, and with the arrival of Nibiru, we now see the seventh Earth. As our Earth is classed as the Center of the Universe, as stated in the Quran, and the Universe thus expands outwards from it, and that all the others Earths were taken out and created from out Mother Earth.....called the Realm of the Heavens and the Earth..........

 Thus did We show Abraham the kingdom of the heavens and the earth that he might be of those possessing certainty:.6:75

Allah it is who hath created seven heavens, and of the earth the like thereof. The commandment cometh down among them slowly, that ye may know that Allah is Able to do all things, and that Allah surroundeth all things in knowledge.  65:12

Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were of one piece, then We parted them, and we made every living thing of water? Will they not then believe? 21:30

And if all the trees in the earth were pens, and the sea, with seven more seas to help it, (were ink), the words of Allah could not be exhausted. Lo! Allah is Mighty, Wise. 31:27

The last verse, 31;27, is implying, that there are 7 Earths beyond our Earth, as implyed by the 7 seas, as we know well that the Earth is mostly made up of seas. The word more, underlined in the verses, is perhaps not enough to understand the verses, as in some translations, it says ...seven seas beyond it to add to its supply.

 Soon will I cast him into SAQAR
And what will explain to thee what SAQAR is?
Naught doth it permit to endure, and naught doth it leave alone!-
Waving to man! 74 : 26-27

The last Ayah proves it is not going to CRASH into Earth but PASS by it as it always has done before...


Rising of the Sun from the West

Planet Nibiru/Saqar/Sijil (tenth planet also called Planet X or the Purifyer) will cause the earth to rotate in the opposite direction, the sun will rise from the West, it will raise the temperature (Heat) of the sun in summer, Allah will declare war against all the ones who intend to extinguish Allah's Light;

 The attaining of these signs  started in the month Dhil Hija year 1427 Hijri (2007-2008). You must understand that this planet passed several times near the earth (Orbit) in the past in order to purify earth from evil man effectively in line with the ayah:

 Now I do call to witness the Lord of all points in the East and the West that We can certainly-Substitute them with better (men) than they;

 And We are not to be defeated (in Our Plan). 70; 40

At its passage, the people in Mecca and Yemen will be able to see it in the evening of that day.


The signs of Saqars / Nibirus Arrival


The sign of EDRAK, the Sun catching up with the Moon, because of Nibirus ever nearing the Sun. Allah states the order of things......

 A token unto them is night. We strip it of the day, and lo! they are in darkness.  And the sun runneth on unto a resting-place for him. That is the measuring of the Mighty, the Wise. And for the moon We have appointed mansions till she return like an old shrivelled palm-leaf ( the phase of a New Moon). It is not for the sun to overtake the moon, nor doth the night outstrip the day. They float each in an orbit. 36:37-40

Here Allah states that it is not for the Sun to catch up with the Moon. That is, until the signs of the Last Hour appear.....and the night precedes the daytime, that is when the Moon follows the Sun.

By the sun and his brightness, And the moon when she followeth him. 91:1-2

One of the great signs is, that the Sun will rise from the West, and it will not happen until the night precedes the daytime. Astronomers will understand this, and could explain it better than me....but here goes...........The Moon meets the Sun in the New Moon Phases( New Dark Moon), when the Sun and the Moon forma straight angle, alignment of Moon, Sun and Earth. The New Moon is followed by the birth of the waxing crescent as the Moon moves slightly to the East which makes the Sun follow it from the West.
The Sun appears higher than the Moon, but the Moon is ahead of the Sun towards the East because the Moon moves faster.
The phases of the Moon  start the minute the waxing crescent is born right after the New Moon phases has passed.
The New Moon is the position of the Moon before waxing crescent phases start, when the Moon is Dark reflecting nothing of the Sun rays.
The the Moon moves slightly towards the East and the first minutes of the waxing crescent of the New Month comes, then a new phase, till the Moon is opposite the Sun, when the Full Moon appears in the East while the Sun is in the West ( at Sunset). The the Moon comes back to the old New Moon phases which is the position of the Moon before any waxing crescents.

How the Sun catches up with the Moon

This happens when the Moon sets ( disappears in the West) before the Sunset in spite of the birth of the waxing crescent of the New Month !. All the astronomers ibn the world will find out that the Moonset is before the Sunset, although their precise calculations show that the waxing cresent of the New Moon was born. And none of them will be able to explain this phenomenona until they believe that the Sun caught up with the Moon, which caused the waxing crescent to be born before the eclipse, which means that the Sun, the Moon and the Earth were in approximate alignment while the Moon was a waxing crescent ( not a Dark New Moon).
So when the night precedes the daytime, nothing will save those in disbelief.....

Wait they, indeed, for nothing less than that the angels should come unto them, or thy Lord should come, or there should come one of the portents from thy Lord? In the day when one of the portents from thy Lord cometh, its belief availeth naught a soul which theretofore believed not, nor in its belief earned good (by works). Say: Wait ye! Lo! We (too) are waiting. 6:158

The Overflowing Seas

 By the Mount, And a Scripture inscribed On fine parchment unrolled, And the House frequented, And the roof exalted, And the sea kept filled, Lo! the doom of thy Lord will surely come to pass; There is none that can ward it off. On the day when the heaven will heave with (awful) heaving, And the mountains move away with (awful) movement, Then woe that day unto the deniers  Who play in talk of grave matters;  The day when they are thrust with a (disdainful) thrust, into the fire of hell  (And it is said unto them): This is the Fire which ye were wont to deny.  Is this magic, or do ye not see? 52:1-15

This verse again has a few different translations, as in the mentioned Sea underlined........the over flowing sea, or the Sea filled with fire. The filling of over flowing of the seas is a sgn of the bad deeds of mankind, who lay corruption in the Earth..........

Corruption doth appear on land and sea because of (the evil) which men's hands have done, that He may make them taste a part of that which they have done, in order that they may return. 30:41

This is a minor torment before the coming of Nibiru, which when it appears there will be signs of pieces of the sky falling.......

And if they were to see a fragment of the heaven falling, they would say: A heap of clouds. Then let them be (O Muhammad), till they meet their day, in which they will be thunder-stricken, A day in which their guile will naught avail them, nor will they be helped. And verily, for those who do wrong, there is a punishment beyond that. But most of them know not. 52:44-47

And Allah brings a minor torment, chastisement before the major chastisement...............

And verily We make them taste the lower punishment before the greater, that haply they may return. 32:21

Now, the verse below is a timing in when to expect the overflowing sea to occur..............

By the Dawn  And ten nights,  And the Even ( SHAFA is a prayer of two RAKAT, BOW DOWN, symbolising the 11th and 12th nights), and the Odd ( WATR...meaning...ONE BOW DOWN, refers to the 13th of the Lunar Month),  And the night when it departeth, ( refers to the 14th of the Lunar Month) There surely is an oath for thinking man. Dost thou not consider how thy Lord dealt with (the tribe of) A'ad,With many-columned Iram,The like of which was not created in the lands; And with (the tribe of) Thamud, who clove the rocks in the valley; And with Pharaoh, firm of might,  Who (all) were rebellious (to Allah) in these lands,And multiplied iniquity therein?  Therefore thy Lord poured on them the disaster of His punishment. Lo! thy Lord is ever watchful. 89:1-14

This verse is obviously talking about the Month of Ramadam and a Lunar Eclipse. which follows after the night precedes the day.

Nay, by the Moon And the night when it withdraweth And the dawn when it shineth forth, Lo! this is one of the greatest (portents) As a warning unto men, Unto him of you who will advance or hang back. 74:32-37

Nibirus sudden Appearence

And when those who disbelieve behold thee, they but choose thee out for mockery, (saying): Is this he who maketh mention of your gods? And they would deny all mention of the Beneficent. (36) Man is made of haste. I shall show you My portents, but ask Me not to hasten. (37) And they say: When will this promise (be fulfilled), if ye are truthful? (38) If those who disbelieved but knew the time when they will not be able to drive off the fire from their faces and from their backs, and they will not be helped! (39) Nay, but it will come upon them unawares so that it will stupefy them, and they will be unable to repel it, neither will they be reprieved. (40) Messengers before thee, indeed, were mocked, but that whereat they mocked surrounded those who scoffed at them. 21:36-42

 And they say: When will this promise be fulfilled, if ye are truthful? (48) Say: I have no power to hurt or benefit myself, save that which Allah willeth. For every nation there is an appointed time. When their time cometh, then they cannot put it off an hour, nor hasten (it). (49) Say: Have ye thought: When His doom cometh unto you as a raid by night, or in the (busy) day; what is there of it that the guilty ones desire to hasten?  10:48-50
 Say (O Muhammad): Yours is the promise of a Day which ye cannot postpone nor hasten by an hour. 34:30

When Nibiru comes in view of the Earth, from behind the Sun, all of a sudden a white cloud of smoke will come down.......

But watch thou (O Muhammad) for the day when the sky will produce visible smoke That will envelop the people. This will be a painful torment.(Then they will say): Our Lord relieve us of the torment. Lo! we are believers.  44;10-12


What will Nibiru look like

Nibiru, Saqar will look like it has holes in it, whereby piercing brightness shines out from them. As we know, this planet is Hell itself. And Hell, Saqar has seven gates, assigned for various type of disbelievers. There are three gates to one side and three to the other side, and the center gate is reserved for the hypocrites.

By the heaven and the Morning Star - Ah, what will tell thee what the Morning Star is! - The piercing Star! 86;1-2

This verse above is from At Tariq, the Night Comer, or as its real translation is...the one who knocks at the door.

  Lord of the heavens and of the earth and all that is between them, and Lord of the sun's risings. Lo! We have adorned the lowest heaven with an ornament, the planets;  With security from every froward devil. They cannot listen to the Highest Chiefs for they are pelted from every side, Outcast, and theirs is a perpetual torment; Save him who snatcheth a fragment, and there pursueth him a burning flame, piercing in brightness. 37;5-10

Nibiru looks like it has wings or that of a cloak over its shoulders............

O thou enveloped in thy cloak, Arise and warn! Thy Lord magnify, Thy raiment purify, Pollution shun! (And show not favour, seeking wordly gain! For the sake of thy Lord, be patient!  For when the trumpet shall sound, Surely that day will be a day of anguish, 74;1-9

The sound Nibiru will make

And they say: When will this promise be fulfilled, if ye are truthful? (48) They await but one Shout (Nibiru approaching with a knocking sound / explosion), which will surprise them while they are disputing. 36;48-49

 When it sees them from a far-off place, they will hear its raging and roaring.25:12


The Past Towns of Destruction


 "Then We save Our messengers and those who believe — even so (now); it is binding on Us to save the believers."10:103

Why were there not then among the generations before you those possessing understanding, forbidding mischief in the earth, except a few among them whom We saved? And the unjust pursued the enjoyment of plenty, and they were guilty."11:116

And when Our commandment came to pass, We delivered Hud and those who believed with him with mercy from Us; and We saved them from a hard chastisement."11:58

 So when Our commandment came to pass, We saved Salih and those who believed with him by mercy from Us from the disgrace of that day. Surely thy Lord — He is the Strong, the Mighty."11:66

 And when Our decree came to pass, We saved Shu‘aib and those who believed with him by mercy from Us. And the cry overtook those who were iniquitous, so they were motionless bodies in their abodes"11:94

There were many towns and cities destroyed as mentioned, by Allah in the Quran. And Allah made mention of a few of them in surah 7, the level of destruction varied and some were ultimately destroyed by Nibiru / Saqar, Sijjil.


When Our Decree issued, We turned (the cities) upside down, and rained down on them brimstones made of baked clay (FROM SIJIL). 11:82

Striking them with stones of baked clay (FROM SIJIL). The Elephant


The Destruction to come

 When the event befalleth - There is no denying that it will befall - Abasing (some), exalting (others); When the earth is shaken with a shock And the hills are ground to powder So that they become a scattered dust, ..56:1-6..the event

The Reality!  What is the Reality?  Ah, what will convey unto thee what the reality is! 69:1-3

Lo! when the waters rose, We carried you upon the ship  That We might make it a memorial for you, and that remembering ears (that heard the story) might remember.  And when the trumpet shall sound one blast  And the earth with the mountains shall be lifted up and crushed with one crash, Then, on that day will the Event befall.  And the heaven will split asunder, for that day it will be frail. 69:11-16

The Calamity!  What is the Calamity? Ah, what will convey unto thee what the Calamity is! A day wherein mankind will be as thickly-scattered moths  And the mountains will become as carded wool. Then, as for him whose scales are heavy (with good works), He will live a pleasant life.  But as for him whose scales are light, The bereft and Hungry One will be his mother, Ah, what will convey unto thee what she is! - Raging Fire. 101:1-11

Nay, but the Hour (of doom) is their appointed tryst, and the Hour will be more wretched and more bitter (than their earthly failure). Lo! the guilty are in error and madness.  On the day when they are dragged into the Fire upon their faces (it is said unto them): Feel the touch of hell. 54: 46-48

And brought [within view], that Day, is Hell - that Day, man will remember, but what good to him will be the remembrance?89:23

There are many surahs in the Quran that deal with Saqar, even whole surahs just about Saqar. What we have to realise here with these events of Saqar and it being Hell, coming in view of Earth, and people being sent their, that this does not detract away from Judgement Day.
Rather we must realise this...that when we die we go straight to Hell of Paradise.
There is no hanging around in the grave, or torture in the grave. The Quran makes this quite clear. Then when Judgement Day comes, we are handed our books of life and thus sent back to Hell of Heaven again........There is a reason for this, AND ALLAH KNOWS BEST.

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I take it nobody has read what I put , as you are all clear advocates of hadith over that of the Quran.
I did post the history of hadiths and it has been taken off.
Allah states quite clearly that it is the Quran that we should follow. And Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, made it quite clear he did not want hadiths written about his lifestyle, as he knew they would become more important than the Quran.

What I suggest people should do is check out the hadiths for your selves and see if they are in line with the Quran

..............prayer in Quran is 2 rakats only,,,,hadiths state this too..........so where is it stated that you pray four and three and twenty odd in ramadam??? who told you that??

zakat is 10% in Quran and Hadiths also.....so where do you get 2.5% from...other than a fabricated hadith, which so obvious and plain to see.

I follow hadiths, but only the ones in line with Quran.

Do not follow blindly as Allah instructs us also not to do this, as hadiths and practices are full of corruption and innovations. These text books of faith and Islam are full of innovations that are leading people astray and away from Allah, and worse are making you commit shirk.

Quran is your only one true guide.

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This verse ...
'' It is Allah who has created seven heavens and of the earth, the like of them. [His] command descends among them so you may know that Allah is over all things competent and that Allah has encompassed all things in knowledge.'' (65:12)

Means, there are 7 Earths that are similar to out Earth......read carefully,,,,,,7 heavens....AND OF THE EARTH, THE LIKE OF THEM.
 That means the 7 planets, that are beneath Earth, being.... MARS, JUPITER, SATURN, URANUS, NEPTUNE , PLUTO, SAQAR ( NIBIRU)
Nibiru is called Saqar in the Quran, and scientists only discovered Nibiru as they call it, quite some years ago.
As for mars and mercury they are not classed as Earths, because they are too close to the Sun.

Be careful, QuranSearchCom, you are almost there, but it requires more simplicity than your long winded accounts and self appraisal and thoughts of the Qurans interpretations. You do but guess so much. The correct tafsir is that of the 7 planets being the 7 Earths besides our own Earth. The verse about Abraham trying to find Allah, and he watches the stars, till he decides he can not worship them is a clue as to this verse above...65:12.....

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The summary of hadiths by shabeer_hassan is all well and good. But in the Quran where there are many verses pertaining to the protection and guarding of the Quran....only apply to the Quran.....NOT TO HADITHS.......you are sadly mistaken.
The hadiths are mans own words and and are susceptible to corruption, as mentioned in the Quran.
Do you not read the Quran......it states to follow the Quran rather than the hadiths of other sources....which do you then believe ???...can you not see with your eyes or heart as to the truth.???

The hadiths are corrupted beyond belief, and so much so they have corrupted the faith of Islam,,,way way off the the true practices.......

Has anyone checked the haiths for the salat yet.....You will not find the prayer formular nor the amount of rakats...other than 2 rakats.....
Has anyone found a hadith that states zakat is payable at 2.5 %.....this is pure fabrication. zakat is 10% of your weekly wage....its that simple.

Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him and his family never wanted his life studied and recorded because he knew it would be taken as a rule of law above that of the Quran.....he only would allow any hadith that was to do with the Quran to be writen down.......
All preceding scholars were told to burn the hadiths and struggled within themselves to do this,,,,,and some didnt......and have the hadiths that have been corrupted by the Jews to this very day passed down to us to follow and believe and be so utterly deceived and blinded by....that we all trun away from the Quran.

DO YOU READ THE QURAN ??????....DOES ANYONE ...????
If you did, you would realise the hadiths are fabricated and your practices of salat, ablution, fasting, zakat are all innovations and that you are taking partners with Allah.......

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Below are a series of verses from the Quran, that talk about the Jews in the time of the Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessing be upon him and his family. They were the Jews that said they claimed to convert to Islam, and were the first writers of the hadiths.
 Anyone who makes such accusations against Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him and his family, are protecting their own satanic beliefs, and want Jesus to remain a divine person, even though they secretly do not believe this not to be, but want the masses to believe it. This is what Christianity is built on, nothing more. Jesus is the symbol of Salvation. A muslim to dare to contavene this created structure by mankind dares to try to destroy the faith and its teachings, all be it man made.!!! And the Bible was altered in accordance to promote this idea. This is none other than the work of the human devils and the Satans themselves to discredit Islam, the true religion of Allah. ...6:112
If we can understand the reasoning behind this Salvation concept, you will find it has to do with the Dejjal. As the Dejjal is the false Messiah, or the Liar Messiah, who in fact will claim to be God, then claim to be the Messiah ( Jesus ) himself. And it is the false Messiah that the human devils and the satans and satanic Jews are waiting for. For the concept or Jesus return is vital, and for him to of died for Salvation is crucial to Dejjals plans, and to be believed and followed again by the Christians and the satanic Jews. Also .....you must know that Dejjal is none other than Satan himself....the great deceiver.

Seest thou not those unto whom a portion of the Scripture hath been given, how they purchase error, and seek to make you (Muslims) err from the right way?  Allah knoweth best (who are) your enemies. Allah is sufficient as a Friend, and Allah is sufficient as a Helper. Some of those who are Jews change words from their context and say: "We hear and disobey; hear thou as one cannot be made hear not" and "Listen to us!" distorting with their tongues and slandering religion. If they had said: "We hear and we obey: hear thou, and look at us" it had been better for them, and more upright. But Allah hath cursed them for their disbelief, so they believe not, save a few.  O ye unto whom the Scripture hath been given! Believe in what We have revealed confirming that which ye possess, before We destroy countenances so as to confound them, or curse them as We cursed the Sabbath-breakers (of old time). The commandment of Allah is always executed.  Lo! Allah forgiveth not that a partner should be ascribed unto Him. He forgiveth (all) save that to whom He will. Whoso ascribeth partners to Allah, he hath indeed invented a tremendous sin.  Hast thou not seen those who praise themselves for purity? Nay, Allah purifieth whom He will, and they will not be wronged even the hair upon a date-stone.  See, how they invent lies about Allah! That of itself is flagrant sin. (50) Hast thou not seen those unto whom a portion of the Scripture hath been given, how they believe in idols and false deities, and how they say of those (idolaters) who disbelieve: "These are more rightly guided than those who believe"?  Those are they whom Allah hath cursed, and he whom Allah hath cursed, thou (O Muhammad) wilt find for him no helper.  Or have they even a share in the Sovereignty? Then in that case, they would not give mankind even the speck on a date-stone.  Or are they jealous of mankind because of that which Allah of His bounty hath bestowed upon them? For We bestowed upon the house of Abraham (of old) the Scripture and wisdom, and We bestowed on them a mighty kingdom.  And of them were (some) who believed therein and of them were (some) who disbelieved therein. Hell is sufficient for (their) burning.  Lo! Those who disbelieve Our revelations, We shall expose them to the Fire. As often as their skins are consumed We shall exchange them for fresh skins that they may taste the torment. Lo! Allah is ever Mighty, Wise. 4; 44-56

Hast thou not seen those who pretend that they believe in that which is revealed unto thee and that which was revealed before thee, how they would go for judgment (in their disputes) to false deities when they have been ordered to abjure them? Satan would mislead them far astray.  And when it is said unto them: Come unto that which Allah hath revealed and unto the messenger, thou seest the hypocrites turn from thee with aversion.  How would it be if a misfortune smote them because of that which their own hands have sent before (them)? Then would they come unto thee, swearing by Allah that they were seeking naught but harmony and kindness.  Those are they, the secrets of whose hearts Allah knoweth. So oppose them and admonish them, and address them in plain terms about their souls.  We sent no messenger save that he should be obeyed by Allah's leave. And if, when they had wronged themselves, they had but come unto thee and asked forgiveness of Allah, and asked forgiveness of the messenger, they would have found Allah Forgiving, Merciful.  But nay, by thy Lord, they will not believe (in truth) until they make thee judge of what is in dispute between them and find within themselves no dislike of that which thou decidest, and submit with full submission. (And if We had decreed for them: Lay down your lives or go forth from your dwellings, but few of them would have done it; though if they did what they are exhorted to do it would be better for them, and more strengthening;  And then We should bestow upon them from Our presence an immense reward,  And should guide them unto a straight path.  Whoso obeyeth Allah and the messenger, they are with those unto whom Allah hath shown favour, of the prophets and the saints and the martyrs and the righteous. The best of company are they! 4; 60-69


And when Our revelations are recited unto them, thou knowest the denial in the faces of those who disbelieve; they all but attack those who recite Our revelations unto them. Say: Shall I proclaim unto you worse than that? The Fire! Allah hath promised it for those who disbelieve. A hapless journey's end! 22; 72

When the hypocrites come unto thee (O Muhammad), they say: We bear witness that thou art indeed Allah's messenger. And Allah knoweth that thou art indeed His messenger, and Allah beareth witness that the Hypocrites indeed are speaking falsely.
 63; 1-2

Have ye any hope that they will be true to you when a party of them used to listen to the word of Allah, then used to change it, after they had understood it, knowingly?  And when they fall in with those who believe, they say: We believe. But when they go apart one with another they say: Prate ye to them of that which Allah hath disclosed to you that they may contend with you before your Lord concerning it? Have ye then no sense? 2; 75-76

 And they say: (It is) obedience; but when they have gone forth from thee a party of them spend the night in planning other than what thou sayest. Allah recordeth what they plan by night. So oppose them and put thy trust in Allah. Allah is sufficient as Trustee.  Will they not then ponder on the Qur'an? If it had been from other than Allah they would have found therein much incongruity. 4; 81-82

"We have permitted the enemies of every prophet human and jinn devils to inspire in each other fancy words, in order to deceive. Had your Lord willed, they would not have done it. You shall disregard them and their fabrications." 6:112

And they measure not the power of Allah its true measure when they say: Allah hath naught revealed unto a human being. Say (unto the Jews who speak thus): Who revealed the Book which Moses brought, a light and guidance for mankind, which ye have put on parchments which ye show, but ye hide much (thereof), and by which ye were taught that which ye knew not yourselves nor (did) your fathers (know it)? Say: Allah. Then leave them to their play of cavilling.  And this is a blessed Scripture which We have revealed, confirming that which (was revealed) before it, that thou mayst warn the Mother of Villages and those around her. Those who believe in the Hereafter believe herein, and they are careful of their worship. 6:91-92

"Shall I seek other than God as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed? Those who received the scripture recognise that it has been revealed from your Lord, truthfully. You shall not harbour any doubt. The word of your Lord is complete, in truth and justice. Nothing shall abrogate His words. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient." 6:114-115


Here is what is written as to Muhammads teachings, or rather as a warner and what Allah says.......

Say: For myself I have no power to benefit, nor power to hurt, save that which Allah willeth. Had I knowledge of the Unseen, I should have abundance of wealth, and adversity would not touch me. I am but  a warner, and a bearer of good tidings unto folk who believe. S. 7:188
Allah states;......
Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Apostle of God, and the Seal of the Prophets: and God has full knowledge of all things. S. 33:40

Allah states;......
“O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Now has come to you Our Messenger (Muhammad SAW) making (things) clear unto you, after a break in (the series of) Messengers, lest you say: “There came unto us no bringer of glad tidings and no warner.” But now has come unto you a bringer of glad tidings and a warner. And Allah is Able to do all things. Al-Maida:19

“Say (O Muhammad SAW): “I don’t tell you that with me are the treasures of Allah, nor (that) I know the unseen; nor I tell you that I am an angel. I but follow what is revealed to me by inspiration. Say: Are the blind and the one who sees equal? Will you not then take thought? (Quran, Surah Al An’aam, 50)”

Final note...Revelations ( Old Testament)
I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll.22;18
And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.22;19

This too, would deem a law for the hadiths...as the hadiths and all other scriptures before the Quran, were not protected by Allah. Allah knew that the Bible would be corrupted and warned those that would dare to corrupt the writings, thus the faith itself.

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Regarding a challenge
« on: March 11, 2015, 04:29:44 AM »
This hadith is clearly fabricated.
Only Allah can determine our fate. We have no real say, other than in the task of asking for forgiveness and repenting to want to change our lives for the better, then Allah can change our fate if He wants too.
So we can not dare to assume to have the powers of Allah, by using Allahs name to make any eventual out come. We are not Gods, but mere Human Mortals.
If any part of this hadith were to be true, then it would be the part of saying Allahs name and warding off the Devil, Satan, ...but no more, ......as only Allah can determine what test in life we assume, and the test invariably involves Satans temptations, as with the examples of the Prophets.......!

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The Dejjal is none other than Satan himself. Dejjall, is the Anti Christ, the Liar Messiah, he will claim to be God, then declare himself as the Messiah, Jesus. HE IS NOT ONE EYED, The hadiths have you fooled and are fabricated.

And if any tidings, whether of safety or fear, come unto them, they noise it abroad, whereas if they had referred it to the messenger and to such of them as are in authority, those among them who are able to think out the matter would have known it. If it had not been for the grace of Allah upon you and His mercy ye would have followed Satan, save a few (of you). 4:83

Alif. Lam. Mim. (1) Do men imagine that they will be left (at ease) because they say, We believe, and will not be tested with affliction? 29:1-2

That He (Allah) may make what is thrown in by Shaitan (satan) a trial for those in whose hearts is a disease (of hypocrisy and disbelief) and whose hearts are hardened. And certainly, the Zalimun (polytheists and wrong-doers) are in an opposition far-off (from the truth against Allah's Messenger and the believers).  22;53

Dejjall, Satan your enemy

[Iblis (satan)] said: "O my Lord! Because you misled me, I shall indeed adorn the path of error for them (mankind) on the earth, and I shall mislead them all. 15;39

O ye who believe! Follow not the footsteps of the devil. Unto whomsoever followeth the footsteps of the devil, lo! he commandeth filthiness and wrong. Had it not been for the grace of Allah and His mercy unto you, not one of you would ever have grown pure. But Allah causeth whom He will to grow. And Allah is Hearer, Knower. 24:21

And Shaitan (satan) will say when the matter has been decided: "Verily, Allah promised you a promise of truth. And I too promised you, but I betrayed you. I had no authority over you except that I called you, and you responded to me. So blame me not, but blame yourselves. I cannot help you, nor can you help me. I deny your former act in associating me (satan) as a partner with Allah (by obeying me in the life of the world). Verily, there is a painful torment for the Zalimun (polytheists and wrong-doers)." 14;22

Dejjals Army, Gog and Magog and Jinns.

O Children of Adam! Let not Shaitan (satan) deceive you, as he got your parents [Adam and Hawwa' (Eve)] out of Paradise, stripping them of their raiments, to show them their private parts. Verily, he and Qabiluhu (his soldiers from the jinn or his tribe) see you from where you cannot see them. Verily, We made the Shayatin (devils) Auliya' (protectors and helpers) for those who believe not. 7;27

Unknown Creations of transport...UFO...how the Dejjall, Satan will move fast??

 And horses and mules and asses (hath He created) that ye may ride them, and for ornament. And He createth that which ye know not. (8) And Allah's is the direction of the way, and some (roads) go not straight. And had He willed He would have led you all aright. 16:8-9


Dejjalls Sedition

 And excite any of them whom thou canst with thy voice, and urge thy horse and foot against them, and be a partner in their wealth and children, and promise them. Satan promiseth them only to deceive. 17:64

O mankind! Be afraid of your Lord (by keeping your duty to Him and avoiding all evil), and fear a Day when no father can avail aught for his son, nor a son avail aught for his father. Verily, the Promise of Allah is true: let not then this (worldly) present life deceive you, nor let the chief deceiver (satan) deceive you about Allah. 33:31

Fabricated hadiths,....... Dejjall, Satan... can not and will not raise the dead, nor will he bring rain or make plants to grow, only Allah can do these things....Dejjall, Satan, will have a heaven and a Hell with him, and there will be the raising of the dead, but these issues are for a deeper understanding and comprehension of the Quran......though, the Hell will be the Planet Nibiru, called Saqr or sijjill, in the Quran. The time of the Planets arrival is called "The Hour", or mentioned as the "chastisement". I can explain more if you like, later perhaps.

And lo! that verily is a tremendous oath, if ye but knew - That (this) is indeed a noble Qur'an  In a Book kept hidden  Which none toucheth save the purified, A revelation from the Lord of the Worlds.  Is it this Statement that ye scorn,  And make denial thereof your livelihood?  Why, then, when (the soul) cometh up to the throat (of the dying)  And ye are at that moment looking  - And We are nearer unto him than ye are, but ye see not -  Why then, if ye are not in bondage (unto Us), Do ye not force it back, if ye are truthful? 56:76-87

 Verily! It is Allah Who causes the seed-grain and the fruit-stone (like date-stone) to split and sprout. He brings forth the living from the dead, and it is He Who brings forth the dead from the living. Such is Allah, then how are you deluded away from the truth? 6:49

He merges the night into the day (i.e. the decrease in the hours of the night is added to the hours of the day), and He merges the day into the night (i.e. the decrease in the hours of the day is added to the hours of the night). And He has subjected the sun and the moon: each runs its course for a term appointed. Such is Allah, your Lord; His is the kingdom. And those, whom you invoke or call upon instead of Him, own not even a Qitmir (the thin membrane over the date-stone). 35:13

 O mankind! A similitude has been coined, so listen to it (carefully): Verily those on whom you call besides Allah, cannot create (even) a fly, even though they combine together for the purpose. And if the fly snatches away a thing from them, they will have no power to release it from the fly. So weak are (both) the seeker and the sought.  22:73

 Do they not see the birds held (flying) in the midst of the sky? None holds them but Allah [none gave them the ability to fly but Allah]. Verily, in this are clear Ayat (proofs and signs) for people who believe (in the Oneness of Allah). 16:79

 He has created the heavens without any pillars that you see, and has set on the earth firm mountains lest it should shake with you. And He has scattered therein moving (living) creatures of all kinds. And We send down water (rain) from the sky, and We cause (plants) of every goodly kind to grow therein. 31:30

There is much in the Quran about the fabrications of hadiths by the Jews in the time of the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him and his family. Another subject for another time.

Please people , Dejjall is Satan.......and please realise many hadiths on Gog and Magog are false, as with Dejjall, as with many subjects concerning Islamic practices and the life of Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him and his family.

As for the return of Jesus, the Quranic verse......And lo! verily there is knowledge of the Hour. So doubt ye not concerning it, but follow Me. This is the right path. And let not Satan turn you aside. Lo! he is an open enemy for you.  When Jesus came with clear proofs (of Allah's Sovereignty), he said: I have come unto you with wisdom, and to make plain some of that concerning which ye differ. So keep your duty to Allah, and obey me.  Lo! Allah, He is my Lord and your Lord. So worship Him. This is a right path.  But the factions among them differed. Then woe unto those who do wrong from the doom of a painful day.  Await they aught save the Hour, that it shall come upon them suddenly, when they know not? (66) Friends on that Day will be foes one to another, save those who kept their duty (to Allah).  O My slaves! For you there is no fear this day, nor is it ye who grieve;  (Ye) who believed Our revelations and were self-surrendered, 45;:61-69


He will speak unto mankind in his cradle and in his manhood, and he is of the righteous. 3:46

Or deemest thou that the People of the Cave and the Inscription( added number) are a wonder among Our portents? 18:9


And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah's messenger - they slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain. 4:157


Jesus, peace and blessings be upon him and his family, body was the added number to the people of the Cave. There was previously three and the dog in the Cave. And these were all brothers, Prophets of their own era, amny thousands of years befors Jesus, pbuh. These prophets in the Cave are all sleeping and will raise up in the time of Dejjal and Imam Mahdi.

When Allah mentions the word PORTENTS, it means it is a sign and all signs are ongoing. So this indicates that the people in the Cave are still there.!!!.

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I have been caled a Quranist person, but i follow the hadiths that are in line with the Quran, and believe me there are not many that do. I follow the Quran as all our pillars and practices are mentioned in the Quran.
 If you put hadiths next to the Quran about anyone subject, you will find much differences. As the scholars do not check hadiths out as to their content, rather they just check the line of authentication, line of transmission. All well and good, but it truly is the content of the hadiths that surely must be in line with the Quran to be classed as Sahih, or authentic.
Also you will find the history behind the hadiths one of a stunning revelation if you were to research. Also if you looked at the hadiths themselves, rather than just quoting, or just believing what you are told, you would be in for another suprise.
Please do some checking out for yourself....choose a subject, lets say Prayer, salat, go look to haiths on the salat, then look to Quran, you will find much difference. #Also there is the actual understanding and translation of the Quran is at odds with most scholars. .....salat is and has been only ever 2 rakats for every prayer, and 1 rakat for the fear, battle prayer.........

And we have bestowed upon thee the Seven of the Pairs and of the Grand Quran 15;87

This verse above, the seven pairs means the surah Al Fatiha, having 7 lines, repeated twice in each prayer, surmounting to 2 rakats per prayer......if you want to learn the full prayer as ordained by the Quran, then check it out here.......And we have .http://sunnahhealthandfitness.blogspot.com/p/salat-virtues-of.html.....

Also you will find the ablution act in the Quran is different to the hadith, which includes the Quranic way with added innovations to it.

The duty of the messenger is only to convey (the message). Allah knoweth what ye proclaim and what ye hide. 5:99

NO DISTINCTION
Lo! those who disbelieve in Allah and His messengers, and seek to make distinction between Allah and His messengers, and say: We believe in some and disbelieve in others, and seek to choose a way in between;  Such are disbelievers in truth; and for disbelievers We prepare a shameful doom.  But those who believe in Allah and His messengers and make no distinction between any of them, unto them Allah will give their wages; and Allah was ever Forgiving, Merciful. ...... 150- 152

Meaning, do not magnify Muhammad, peace and blessing be upon him and his family, above any other prophet or put him alongside Allah.

HADITH
"These are God's revelations (Quran) that We recite to you truthfully. In which hadith other than God and His revelations do they believe?" 45:6
(also 7:185, 77:50 and 31:6).


TRUTH
"Shall I seek other than God as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed? Those who received the scripture recognise that it has been revealed from your Lord, truthfully. You shall not harbour any doubt. The word of your Lord is complete, in truth and justice. Nothing shall abrogate His words. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient." 6:114-115

WARNER
Say: For myself I have no power to benefit, nor power to hurt, save that which Allah willeth. Had I knowledge of the Unseen, I should have abundance of wealth, and adversity would not touch me. I am but  a warner, and a bearer of good tidings unto folk who believe. S. 7:188

SEAL
Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Apostle of God, and the Seal of the Prophets: and God has full knowledge of all things. S. 33:40

FABRICATIONS
"This is to let the minds of those who do not believe in the Hereafter listen to such fabrications, and accept them, and thus expose their real convictions." 6:113

QURAN
 Ibn Saeed Al-Khudry reported that the messenger of God had said,
"Do not write anything from me except Quran. Anyone who wrote anything other than the Quran shall erase it." [Ahmed, Vol. 1, Page 171, and Sahih Moslim, Zuhd, Book 42, Number 7147]


Worsd of warning, the Jews have been very crafty and have made muslims become as the Jews and Chrsistians themselves by worshiping partners besides Allah, by the very fact that Muhammads name, peace and blessings be upon him and his family, is mention in prayer with Allahs, as the shahada, as you think it to be.!!!....but this is subtle trickery to worship another in prayer by the mere mentioning and praising of another name along side Allahs......taking partners with Allah.......Please people wake up and think about it. Say your shahadah any other time, but not in prayer when this is soley for Allah only.

(This lamp is found) in houses which Allah hath allowed to be exalted and that His name shall be remembered therein. Therein do offer praise to Him at morn and evening. 24;36

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The Mahdi, Jesus Christ, and the anti-Christ (the Dajjal) / Dejjal
« on: March 09, 2015, 01:47:41 PM »
This is where every one is going wrong, believing in fabricated hadiths, be they classed as Sahih or not........the story is long, but the authentication was not done as regards checking as to what the Quran states. If a hadith is not in line with the Quran, then the hadith is false.......simple.....

Dejjal is Satan and Satan is Dejjal, and yes he will be killed, by Jesus, or by Allahs Mercy, and that is the end of him and his followers. You see, this last hour, is the coming of Saqar, the Planet you call Nibiru or Planet X. The end of times is really about here. Also, the only people left will be the righteous..not the unbelievers,,,,think about it....all non believers and Jesus reigning with Imam Mahdi,,,,what would be the point of that !!!!...come on people start thinking and opening your minds up. Test the hadiths out against the Quran. The Jews and the modern scholars have fooled you a gooden....

.We are allowed to think and use our minds as Allah states many times as to the open and obvious deceptions of Satans and the Jews, which are all fore told in the Quran........I suggest you all start reading the Quran, and lay off the hadiths, they are misguiding you. I follow only those hadiths that make sense as regards in line with Quran, and by the wisdom of a dear friend of mine who is a relative of our Prophet Muhammad,peace and blessing be upon him and his family, am I able to know a few extra hadiths, that are not about Quranic matters.

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I have read much as regards this sites mention of dejjal, but let me tell you this................

 The Dejjal is none other than Satan himself. Dejjall, is the Anti Christ, the Liar Messiah, he will claim to be God, then declare himself as the Messiah, Jesus.

And if any tidings, whether of safety or fear, come unto them, they noise it abroad, whereas if they had referred it to the messenger and to such of them as are in authority, those among them who are able to think out the matter would have known it. If it had not been for the grace of Allah upon you and His mercy ye would have followed Satan, save a few (of you). 4:83

Alif. Lam. Mim. (1) Do men imagine that they will be left (at ease) because they say, We believe, and will not be tested with affliction? 29:1-2

That He (Allah) may make what is thrown in by Shaitan (satan) a trial for those in whose hearts is a disease (of hypocrisy and disbelief) and whose hearts are hardened. And certainly, the Zalimun (polytheists and wrong-doers) are in an opposition far-off (from the truth against Allah's Messenger and the believers).  22;53

Dejjall, Satan your enemy

[Iblis (satan)] said: "O my Lord! Because you misled me, I shall indeed adorn the path of error for them (mankind) on the earth, and I shall mislead them all. 15;39

O ye who believe! Follow not the footsteps of the devil. Unto whomsoever followeth the footsteps of the devil, lo! he commandeth filthiness and wrong. Had it not been for the grace of Allah and His mercy unto you, not one of you would ever have grown pure. But Allah causeth whom He will to grow. And Allah is Hearer, Knower. 24:21

And Shaitan (satan) will say when the matter has been decided: "Verily, Allah promised you a promise of truth. And I too promised you, but I betrayed you. I had no authority over you except that I called you, and you responded to me. So blame me not, but blame yourselves. I cannot help you, nor can you help me. I deny your former act in associating me (satan) as a partner with Allah (by obeying me in the life of the world). Verily, there is a painful torment for the Zalimun (polytheists and wrong-doers)." 14;22

Dejjals Army, Gog and Magog and Jinns.

O Children of Adam! Let not Shaitan (satan) deceive you, as he got your parents [Adam and Hawwa' (Eve)] out of Paradise, stripping them of their raiments, to show them their private parts. Verily, he and Qabiluhu (his soldiers from the jinn or his tribe) see you from where you cannot see them. Verily, We made the Shayatin (devils) Auliya' (protectors and helpers) for those who believe not. 7;27

Unknown Creations of transport...UFO...how the Dejjall, Satan will move fast??

 And horses and mules and asses (hath He created) that ye may ride them, and for ornament. And He createth that which ye know not. (8) And Allah's is the direction of the way, and some (roads) go not straight. And had He willed He would have led you all aright. 16:8-9


Dejjalls Sedition

 And excite any of them whom thou canst with thy voice, and urge thy horse and foot against them, and be a partner in their wealth and children, and promise them. Satan promiseth them only to deceive. 17:64

O mankind! Be afraid of your Lord (by keeping your duty to Him and avoiding all evil), and fear a Day when no father can avail aught for his son, nor a son avail aught for his father. Verily, the Promise of Allah is true: let not then this (worldly) present life deceive you, nor let the chief deceiver (satan) deceive you about Allah. 33:31

Fabricated hadiths,....... Dejjall, Satan... can not and will not raise the dead, nor will he bring rain or make plants to grow, only Allah can do these things....Dejjall, Satan, will have a heaven and a Hell with him, and there will be the raising of the dead, but these issues are for a deeper understanding and comprehension of the Quran......though, the Hell will be the Planet Nibiru, called Saqr or sijjill, in the Quran. The time of the Planets arrival is called "The Hour", or mentioned as the "chastisement". I can explain more if you like, later perhaps.

And lo! that verily is a tremendous oath, if ye but knew - That (this) is indeed a noble Qur'an  In a Book kept hidden  Which none toucheth save the purified, A revelation from the Lord of the Worlds.  Is it this Statement that ye scorn,  And make denial thereof your livelihood?  Why, then, when (the soul) cometh up to the throat (of the dying)  And ye are at that moment looking  - And We are nearer unto him than ye are, but ye see not -  Why then, if ye are not in bondage (unto Us), Do ye not force it back, if ye are truthful? 56:76-87

 Verily! It is Allah Who causes the seed-grain and the fruit-stone (like date-stone) to split and sprout. He brings forth the living from the dead, and it is He Who brings forth the dead from the living. Such is Allah, then how are you deluded away from the truth? 6:49

He merges the night into the day (i.e. the decrease in the hours of the night is added to the hours of the day), and He merges the day into the night (i.e. the decrease in the hours of the day is added to the hours of the night). And He has subjected the sun and the moon: each runs its course for a term appointed. Such is Allah, your Lord; His is the kingdom. And those, whom you invoke or call upon instead of Him, own not even a Qitmir (the thin membrane over the date-stone). 35:13

 O mankind! A similitude has been coined, so listen to it (carefully): Verily those on whom you call besides Allah, cannot create (even) a fly, even though they combine together for the purpose. And if the fly snatches away a thing from them, they will have no power to release it from the fly. So weak are (both) the seeker and the sought.  22:73

 Do they not see the birds held (flying) in the midst of the sky? None holds them but Allah [none gave them the ability to fly but Allah]. Verily, in this are clear Ayat (proofs and signs) for people who believe (in the Oneness of Allah). 16:79

 He has created the heavens without any pillars that you see, and has set on the earth firm mountains lest it should shake with you. And He has scattered therein moving (living) creatures of all kinds. And We send down water (rain) from the sky, and We cause (plants) of every goodly kind to grow therein. 31:30

There is much in the Quran about the fabrications of hadiths by the Jews in the time of the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him and his family. Another subject for another time.

Please people , Dejjall is Satan.......and please realise many hadiths on Gog and Magog are false, as with Dejjall, as with many subjects concerning Islamic practices and the life of Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him and his family.

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I have read much as regards this sites mention of dejjal, but let me tell you this................

 The Dejjal is none other than Satan himself. Dejjall, is the Anti Christ, the Liar Messiah, he will claim to be God, then declare himself as the Messiah, Jesus.

And if any tidings, whether of safety or fear, come unto them, they noise it abroad, whereas if they had referred it to the messenger and to such of them as are in authority, those among them who are able to think out the matter would have known it. If it had not been for the grace of Allah upon you and His mercy ye would have followed Satan, save a few (of you). 4:83

Alif. Lam. Mim. (1) Do men imagine that they will be left (at ease) because they say, We believe, and will not be tested with affliction? 29:1-2

That He (Allah) may make what is thrown in by Shaitan (satan) a trial for those in whose hearts is a disease (of hypocrisy and disbelief) and whose hearts are hardened. And certainly, the Zalimun (polytheists and wrong-doers) are in an opposition far-off (from the truth against Allah's Messenger and the believers).  22;53

Dejjall, Satan your enemy

[Iblis (satan)] said: "O my Lord! Because you misled me, I shall indeed adorn the path of error for them (mankind) on the earth, and I shall mislead them all. 15;39

O ye who believe! Follow not the footsteps of the devil. Unto whomsoever followeth the footsteps of the devil, lo! he commandeth filthiness and wrong. Had it not been for the grace of Allah and His mercy unto you, not one of you would ever have grown pure. But Allah causeth whom He will to grow. And Allah is Hearer, Knower. 24:21

And Shaitan (satan) will say when the matter has been decided: "Verily, Allah promised you a promise of truth. And I too promised you, but I betrayed you. I had no authority over you except that I called you, and you responded to me. So blame me not, but blame yourselves. I cannot help you, nor can you help me. I deny your former act in associating me (satan) as a partner with Allah (by obeying me in the life of the world). Verily, there is a painful torment for the Zalimun (polytheists and wrong-doers)." 14;22


Dejjals Army, Gog and Magog and Jinns.

O Children of Adam! Let not Shaitan (satan) deceive you, as he got your parents [Adam and Hawwa' (Eve)] out of Paradise, stripping them of their raiments, to show them their private parts. Verily, he and Qabiluhu (his soldiers from the jinn or his tribe) see you from where you cannot see them. Verily, We made the Shayatin (devils) Auliya' (protectors and helpers) for those who believe not. 7;27

Unknown Creations of transport...UFO...how the Dejjall, Satan will move fast??

 And horses and mules and asses (hath He created) that ye may ride them, and for ornament. And He createth that which ye know not. (8) And Allah's is the direction of the way, and some (roads) go not straight. And had He willed He would have led you all aright. 16:8-9


Dejjalls Sedition

 And excite any of them whom thou canst with thy voice, and urge thy horse and foot against them, and be a partner in their wealth and children, and promise them. Satan promiseth them only to deceive. 17:64

O mankind! Be afraid of your Lord (by keeping your duty to Him and avoiding all evil), and fear a Day when no father can avail aught for his son, nor a son avail aught for his father. Verily, the Promise of Allah is true: let not then this (worldly) present life deceive you, nor let the chief deceiver (satan) deceive you about Allah. 33:31

Fabricated hadiths,....... Dejjall, Satan... can not and will not raise the dead, nor will he bring rain or make plants to grow, only Allah can do these things....Dejjall, Satan, will have a heaven and a Hell with him, and there will be the raising of the dead, but these issues are for a deeper understanding and comprehension of the Quran......though, the Hell will be the Planet Nibiru, called Saqr or sijjill, in the Quran. The time of the Planets arrival is called "The Hour", or mentioned as the "chastisement". I can explain more if you like, later perhaps.

And lo! that verily is a tremendous oath, if ye but knew - That (this) is indeed a noble Qur'an  In a Book kept hidden  Which none toucheth save the purified, A revelation from the Lord of the Worlds.  Is it this Statement that ye scorn,  And make denial thereof your livelihood?  Why, then, when (the soul) cometh up to the throat (of the dying)  And ye are at that moment looking  - And We are nearer unto him than ye are, but ye see not -  Why then, if ye are not in bondage (unto Us), Do ye not force it back, if ye are truthful? 56:76-87

 Verily! It is Allah Who causes the seed-grain and the fruit-stone (like date-stone) to split and sprout. He brings forth the living from the dead, and it is He Who brings forth the dead from the living. Such is Allah, then how are you deluded away from the truth? 6:49

He merges the night into the day (i.e. the decrease in the hours of the night is added to the hours of the day), and He merges the day into the night (i.e. the decrease in the hours of the day is added to the hours of the night). And He has subjected the sun and the moon: each runs its course for a term appointed. Such is Allah, your Lord; His is the kingdom. And those, whom you invoke or call upon instead of Him, own not even a Qitmir (the thin membrane over the date-stone). 35:13

 O mankind! A similitude has been coined, so listen to it (carefully): Verily those on whom you call besides Allah, cannot create (even) a fly, even though they combine together for the purpose. And if the fly snatches away a thing from them, they will have no power to release it from the fly. So weak are (both) the seeker and the sought.  22:73

 Do they not see the birds held (flying) in the midst of the sky? None holds them but Allah [none gave them the ability to fly but Allah]. Verily, in this are clear Ayat (proofs and signs) for people who believe (in the Oneness of Allah). 16:79

 He has created the heavens without any pillars that you see, and has set on the earth firm mountains lest it should shake with you. And He has scattered therein moving (living) creatures of all kinds. And We send down water (rain) from the sky, and We cause (plants) of every goodly kind to grow therein. 31:30

There is much in the Quran about the fabrications of hadiths by the Jews in the time of the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him and his family. Another subject for another time.

Please people , Dejjall is Satan.......and please realise many hadiths on Gog and Magog are false, as with Dejjall, as with many subjects concerning Islamic practices and the life of Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him and his family.


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