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Title: Toughts on 4:157
Post by: Yossy on August 30, 2012, 04:14:55 AM: Yusuf Ali:
That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-
4:157

The Jews that boasted where ironic when they made this claim? Because Orthodox Jews reject Jesus as a messenger of God and as the Messiah.

Any toughts :D ?
Title: Re: Toughts on 4:157
Post by: Final Overture on August 30, 2012, 04:32:07 AM: Well, how can you say there weren't such Jews? There were Jews who called Ezra the Son of God, yet "orthodox" Jews don't consider him as Son of Allah.

And maybe they were ironic, i.e. mocking the prophet of God. 2 Chronicles 36:
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15 The LORD, the God of their fathers, sent persistently to them by his messengers, because he had compassion on his people and on his dwelling place. 16 But they kept mocking the messengers of God, despising his words and scoffing at his prophets, until the wrath of the LORD rose against his people, until there was no remedy.
Title: Re: Toughts on 4:157
Post by: Yossy on August 30, 2012, 08:42:28 AM: If we are to say that the Nazerenes are Jewish Chistian who accept Jesus as Messiah as Jews. And we Also have Messianic Jews but why would they be braging that they killed the Messiah :-\
Title: Re: Toughts on 4:157
Post by: Final Overture on August 30, 2012, 04:33:02 PM: Quote from: Yossy on August 30, 2012, 08:42:28 AM
If we are to say that the Nazerenes are Jewish Chistian who accept Jesus as Messiah as Jews. And we Also have Messianic Jews but why would they be braging that they killed the Messiah :-\
Proud of it? Yeah, maybe it doesn't really make sense (hm?), but look:
Luke 23:35
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Â«And the people stood by, watching, but the rulers scoffed at him, saying, â€œHe saved others; let him save himself, if he is the Christ of God, his Chosen One!â€Â»
Title: Re: Toughts on 4:157
Post by: Yossy on August 31, 2012, 02:42:18 AM: Akhi Luke was not even a eye witness if we are to even consider that he wrote the gospel of Luke. But more important what is the timeline for these Jews here? Are they from time of Jesus (pbuh) or time of Muhammad (pbuh)?
Title: Re: Toughts on 4:157
Post by: Final Overture on August 31, 2012, 08:50:53 AM: Quote from: Yossy on August 31, 2012, 02:42:18 AM
Are they from time of Jesus (pbuh) or time of Muhammad (pbuh)?

Somewhere between, I guess :P. It doesn't really matter.