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Title: BREAKING NEWS: Saudi Press Admits: 9/11 was a False Flag
Post by: Saudi Salafi on May 26, 2016, 09:50:59 AM
https://youtu.be/WTkpVz6DEBs
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Saudi Press Admits: 9/11 was a False Flag
Post by: Introvert98 on May 26, 2016, 02:40:59 PM
Info wars is goverment controlled opposition that never attacks israel yet they make many videos against Islam and our prophets. the reality is they work for the goverment and dish out propaganda.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Saudi Press Admits: 9/11 was a False Flag
Post by: Saudi Salafi on May 26, 2016, 03:45:50 PM
 Ok then from this source:

https://www.mintpressnews.com/saudi-press-just-accuses-us-govt-carrying-911-attacks/216671/

Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Saudi Press Admits: 9/11 was a False Flag
Post by: QuranSearchCom on May 26, 2016, 04:31:46 PM
Soon the almost 1 Trillion dollars that Saudi Arabia has put in the USA will be all gone.  The royal desert monkeys have betrayed Islam and the Ummah.  For many years on this site, I used to call them "the swines of the desert".  I then removed it because Muslims pressured me to remove it.  We're about to find out that this title fits the royal monkeys well.

Osama
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Saudi Press Admits: 9/11 was a False Flag
Post by: Saudi Salafi on May 27, 2016, 12:35:08 PM
Soon the almost 1 Trillion dollars that Saudi Arabia has put in the USA will be all gone.  The royal desert monkeys have betrayed Islam and the Ummah.  For many years on this site, I used to call them "the swines of the desert".  I then removed it because Muslims pressured me to remove it.  We're about to find out that this title fits the royal monkeys well.

Osama



Dear brother Osama,

  I just wanted to tell you that I am a "royal desert monkey" as well, and I'm proud of it. Those "royal desert monkeys" defended Palestine from Israel to the point in where King Faisal (may Allah have mercy on him) threatened to stop selling oil to the U.S, without those "royal desert monkey"s you wouldn't be able to go to Masjid Al-haram, those "royal desert monkeys" are constantly increasing the size of Masjid Al-Haram so more Muslims can visit it (by 2020, it will be possible  for over 15 million Muslims per year to perform Umrah and be completely satisfied with their pilgrimage experience), those "royal desert monkeys" made the law of Allah (the Sharia law) the law of their land, where do you see that in any other Muslim country?  Those "royal desert monkeys" are building a lot of mosques in the west, those "royal desert monkeys" have made a lot of factories which make Qurans, those "royal desert monkeys" are fighting against the terrorists such as ISIS and the Houthis, those "royal desert monkeys" are currently saving Yemen, those "royal desert monkeys" have forbid building non-islamic worship places ("To allow the construction of places of worship other than Islamic ones in Saudi Arabia, it would be like asking the Vatican to build a mosque inside of it." King Abdullah (may Allah have mercy on him)), and those "royal desert monkeys" have donated over 10 billion dollars to poor people in Asia and Africa.

    If those "royal desert monkeys" betrayed this Ummah and Islam, then who didn't? In fact, those "royal desert monkeys" have benefited Islam and the Ummah more than any other country! Explain to me how did those "royal desert monkeys" betray Islam and the Ummah. By having Sharia law in their country?, by building a lot of mosques?, by making religion a subject at school?, or is it because you hate them because you feel like it? Insha Allah by 2030 Saudi Arabia won't have to rely on oil as a single source of income,  women’s participation in the workforce will increase  from 22% to 30%, and more. Read about it over here: http://english.alarabiya.net/en/perspective/features/2016/04/26/Full-text-of-Saudi-Arabia-s-Vision-2030.html

"If any drop of oil goes to Israel, then I will cut the oil from you."

"You are the ones who cant live without oil. You know, we come from the desert, and our ancestors lived on dates and milk and we can easily go back and live like that again"

                                                          -King Faisal of Saudi Arabia (1906-1975)


Sincerely,

A proud royal desert monkey, Abdullah Madi Abdullah Al-Madi Al-Tammimi (Saudi Arabia, Riyadh)
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Saudi Press Admits: 9/11 was a False Flag
Post by: submit on May 27, 2016, 01:14:09 PM
Brother Osama is attacking the regime not the people or citizen.

also on warfares in Middle East,
You have regime of Saudi being ally to the US.
You have regime of Iran being ally to Russia.
Conflicts happen when regime of Iran trying to dismantle the influence of Saudi in Middle East. Thus non stop killings happen daily.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Saudi Press Admits: 9/11 was a False Flag
Post by: QuranSearchCom on May 27, 2016, 04:05:49 PM
As'salamu Alaikum,

Thank you for the clarification, dear brother Submit.  Yes akhi Abdullah, I was talking about the ROYAL ones; the rulers.  After all, what other monkeys do we have beside them?  Actually, we do have lots of monkeys from the people too, especially in the social traditions and excessive spending of money on traditions that Islam rejects.  Also the enslavement and bad treatment of foreigners.  But I wasn't referring to those.

I hope you're not one of those monkeys.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Saudi Press Admits: 9/11 was a False Flag
Post by: Saudi Salafi on May 27, 2016, 07:03:27 PM
As'salamu Alaikum,

Thank you for the clarification, dear brother Submit.  Yes akhi Abdullah, I was talking about the ROYAL ones; the rulers.  After all, what other monkeys do we have beside them?  Actually, we do have lots of monkeys from the people too, especially in the social traditions and excessive spending of money on traditions that Islam rejects.  Also the enslavement and bad treatment of foreigners.  But I wasn't referring to those.

I hope you're not one of those monkeys.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah


Assalamu alaikum brother Osama,

 Yes, I am one of those "monkeys" and I am proud to serve them. Your posts show me how much of an ungrateful, racist person you are.
" I was talking about the ROYAL ones; the rulers.  After all, what other monkeys do we have beside them?"

Response:

 And how are those rulers "monkeys". They are in fact the best Muslim rulers that are alive at the moment. Tell me a single country which applies the sharia law besides Saudi Arabia? If the Al-Saud family didn't rule it then it will become a place like the UAE or Egypt in were alchohol and pig meat is allowed. I have shown you how the Al-Sauds are not "monkeys" and they are great people and many of them died for you nation Palestine. Did you forget about King Faisal? He got killed by the CIA because he fought for Palestine. Please give proof to support your statments.
"Actually, we do have lots of monkeys from the people too, especially in the social traditions and excessive spending of money on traditions that Islam rejects."

Response:

 What social traditions? Our social traditions depend on the Law of Allah and his prophet (PBUH), unlike any other country. "Excessive spending of money on traditions that Islam rejects". What are those traditions that Islam rejects? Maybe you want KSA to end up like the UAE, in where the rulers allow things like alchohol (even in your hotel fridge!), pig meat, women wearing bikinis in beaches, etc. What do you mean by "bad treatment of foreigners"? Are you stereotyping us? It is a little bit ironic that we pray for you Palestinians and we wish you the best of luck, but the likes of you insult us and insult our rulers. Saudi Arabia has over 3 million syrian refugees and they are treated respectfully. Saudi Arabia has many Palestinians, Syrians, Eygyptians, Indians, Pakistanis, Jordanians, etc. I have many of them in my school and I am friends with them. And slavery is illegal in Saudi Arabia and no one over here has slaves. I apologize if I offended you in some way, but the truth has to be said.


Sincerely,

A proud royal desert monkey, Abdullah Madi Abdullah Al-Madi Al-Tammimi (Saudi Arabia, Riyadh)
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Saudi Press Admits: 9/11 was a False Flag
Post by: QuranSearchCom on May 27, 2016, 11:16:29 PM
Wa Alaikum As'salam akhi Abdullah,

Don't get all bent out of shape for the scums that are ruling your land.  The following points should help you, Insha'Allah:

1-  The name of your country is an insult to all Muslims.  What is "Saudi Arabia".  From which dumpster did you get this name?  Was Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, a Saudi?  This theft of countries and naming them after family names is wrong.  Muawiyah started all of this corruption.

2-  The scum of all Muslims, Muawiyah, started this whole monarchy system, where the entire country is owned and ruled by a family.  Mere normal families suddenly became the wealthiest of all families in the Ummah.

3-  About 50% of your people are poor, and about half of them are below the poverty level.  Yet, your country is worth 100s of billions of dollars.  And you have 30% unemployment, and your private sect is a joke!  This is because all of your country's wealth is outside.  Nothing invested in the country and no real advancements made.  Just ignorance and poverty and DUMBED DOWN ISLAM.

4-  Right now there is a big conflict between the cousins from your ruling people.  A brother might accept his older brother to become his king, but the children (cousins) are a different story.

5-  Saudi Arabia for a very long time had always been a tail to the USA.  Worse than England and Australia, they do anything and everything they're told.  This is one of the main reasons why Iraq invaded Kuwait.  They lowered the oil prices dramatically to prevent Iraq from militarily and technologically advancing.  And you gave them the green light to invade Kuwait.

6-  Saudi Arabia has done little to advance the Ummah.  And because your masters, the USA, didn't give you the green light to really support the uprising in Syria and elsewhere, you left the Muslims get crushed by Bashar Al-Asad and his thugs.  In fact, your ruling kings are threatened by the Arab Spring.

7-  Let me remind of what Allah Almighty Said about kings:

[027:034]  She said: Surely the kings, when they enter a town, ruin it and make the noblest of its people to be low, and thus they (always) do;

Here Allah Almighty quoted Bilqis here about how corrupt kings are, and continued by saying "AND THUS THEY (ALWAYS) DO".

Now before you give me examples of PROPHET KINGS, like David and others, peace be upon them, that were made kings by Allah Almighty, this doesn't mean that mere kings are ok.  This is because much corruption and theft will be caused by them.  Plus much inner-fighting among the family and competition about who will rule.

I hope this helps.  I can certainly provide more if you wish to start a debate on this topic.  The scums that rule the Muslims must all go and die.  None of them are good.



The lie of the Shariah Law in Saudi Arabia:

When the British took over the Middle East after the fall of the Ottoman Empire, they placed the Saud ruling family as kings.  Now right off the bat, this stinks like a rotten flesh.  Nothing good comes from these colonizers, and they certainly wouldn't put good people to power.  Their philosophy had always been DIVIDE AND CONQUER.  And they made the Sheikh family to be the religious authority.  Your Salafi school has many issues.  It's worst are:

1-  The dumbing down of the Muslims.

2-  The prohibition from rising against any and all corruption against the ruler.  Sheikh Uthaymeen boldly said that even if the ruler DOES LEWDNESS AND DRINKS ALCOHOL IN MECCA NEAR THE KAABA, his rule would still be valid.  This is a load of garbage and a false religion of hypocrisy and lies.  This is not Islam.

As to Dubai's ruling family and the allowance of alcohol and pig's meat, I am 100% against all of this.  They're also swines of the desert as far as I am concerned.



Have you seen your sand niggers?

Have you seen your ruling family's sand niggers' crazy wealth and how they spend it?  Gold plated and diamond plated cars.  One sand [N-Word] I saw on TV had 100s of the world's most expensive cars just for his enjoyment.  I mean dude seriously man, how many dinner plates could you possibly eat and enjoy?  Do you have to be excessive and blasphemous with your wealth?

My brother, either one is a complete doofus or is living in denial to not see the points that I mentioned above, and much more.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Saudi Press Admits: 9/11 was a False Flag
Post by: Saudi Salafi on May 28, 2016, 10:43:11 AM
 Assalamu alaikum brother Osama,

  It seems that not only are you ungrateful and racist, but also disresctful too (by using inappropriate words without censoring them). You didn't address my many points that I mentioned above so I think that you should read them. Now I will respond to all of your allegations against Saudi Arabia.

1.  " The name of your country is an insult to all Muslims.  What is "Saudi Arabia".  From which dumpster did you get this name?  Was Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, a Saudi?  This theft of countries and naming them after family names is wrong.  Muawiyah started all of this corruption."

Response:

 First, how is the name of my country an "insult to all Muslims"? No the prophet of Saudi Arabia, but he was from Mecca. Before King Abdulaziz came, the Arabian penninsula was divided into many lands mostly Hejaz and Najd. King Abdulaziz simply gathered all of the lands together and named them Saudi Arabia. He didn't change the names of the cities at all. So do you want those lands to be separated? Why aren't the names of the Emirates, Kuwait, Barain, Syria, or Jordan an insult to Muslims?

3-  "About 50% of your people are poor, and about half of them are below the poverty level.  Yet, your country is worth 100s of billions of dollars.  And you have 30% unemployment, and your private sect is a joke!  This is because all of your country's wealth is outside.  Nothing invested in the country and no real advancements made.  Just ignorance and poverty and DUMBED DOWN ISLAM."

Response:

  I am having a really hard time not calling you stupid TBH. No, the country'spoverty rate is extremely low. http://english.alarabiya.net/en/business/economy/2013/11/03/Kingdom-has-tenth-lowest-poverty-rate-worldwide-says-World-Bank.html
 You should also read about 2030 vision.

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/perspective/features/2016/04/26/Full-text-of-Saudi-Arabia-s-Vision-2030.html

And no Saudi Arabia doesn't have a 30% percent unemployment rate.  It is actually 5.5% and that number will go down drastically by 2030. And if you are gonna bring that up then look at this:

"Bernie Sanders says African-American youth unemployment is 51%, and 36% for Hispanics"
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/oct/13/bernie-s/debate-bernie-sanders-says-african-american-youth-/

"Nothing invested in the country and no real advancements made."

It's like you didn't read my previous posts. Just about 50 years ago, the country was just a poor desert and now we are one of the most wealthy countries in Asia and the middle east and we have the tenth lowest poverty rate. Again you should also read about the 2030 vision. The country also has donated more than 10 billion dollars to countries in Asia and Africa.


4-  "Right now there is a big conflict between the cousins from your ruling people.  A brother might accept his older brother to become his king, but the children (cousins) are a different story."

Response:

  Every country has some conflicts. You as a Palestinian should know that already. Also, NOPE there is barely any conflicts between the Al-Saud family.

5-  "Saudi Arabia for a very long time had always been a tail to the USA.  Worse than England and Australia, they do anything and everything they're told.  This is one of the main reasons why Iraq invaded Kuwait.  They lowered the oil prices dramatically to prevent Iraq from militarily and technologically advancing.  And you gave them the green light to invade Kuwait."

Response:

 Politics is way more complicated than this. You need to stop thinking like a child. Ruling a country is something very hard and sometimes you must ally with the People that you hate for the safety of your citizens. Regarding Kuwait, although they are my brothers and I love them and pray for them, it was their fault. They stole the petroleum through slant drilling. No one wanted the invasion to happen.

6-  "Saudi Arabia has done little to advance the Ummah.  And because your masters, the USA, didn't give you the green light to really support the uprising in Syria and elsewhere, you left the Muslims get crushed by Bashar Al-Asad and his thugs.  In fact, your ruling kings are threatened by the Arab Spring."

Response:

  I love how you COMPLETELY ignored my other posts. In fact, Saudi Arabia has done more to this Ummah more than any other country. Regarding Syria:

Just like what I said in point 4. You need to stop acting like a child, politics is way more complicated than you think. If Saud Arabia goes and fights Bashar recklessly then that would affect the safety of our country and many unwanted things might happen. The Saudis always pray for their Syrian brothers. And who said the Saudi government isn't fighting against Bashar? Also, we have over 2.5 million Syrian refugees over here! I have many Syrian friends!

“There are no camps or tents for Syrian refugees in the Kingdom. Rather, they enjoy the same rights to health care, education and work”. - Al-Jubeir

7- "7-  Let me remind of what Allah Almighty Said about kings:

[027:034]  She said: Surely the kings, when they enter a town, ruin it and make the noblest of its people to be low, and thus they (always) do;

Here Allah Almighty quoted Bilqis here about how corrupt kings are, and continued by saying "AND THUS THEY (ALWAYS) DO"."

Response:

 You need to stop misqouting verses bother. Read the entire verse before post lol.
Bilqees was talking about kings when they INVADE a town.

She said: "Surely the kings, when they ENTER A TOWN....."

Second, so you are saying Suliman  (PBUH) was corrupt? Also, the kings of Saudi Arabia never did such a thing. Also, did you forget about the Negus of Ethiopia (RA)? He wasn't a king chosen by God, but he was still a very just and kind king. Read his story.

"The scums that rule the Muslims must all go and die.  None of them are good."

You are extremely ungrateful. Again read my previous posts. Have you forgotten about King Faisal? The man who died for your country?


As for everything else, you barely provide any evidence. The country is still run by the Shariah law. Tell me a single Muslim country which still relies on the Law of Allah besides KSA? As for your last claim:


Thanks a lot for being disrespectful by calling us sand n**gers. It's like I am talking to Sam Shamoun lol. You shouldn't stereotype us like that. People who are like that are extremely hated in this country and they are very rare. And if you are gonna bring that up, then what about DJ Khalid? Isn't he Palestinian too? Doesn't he drink alchohol, wear gold and slilk, and listen to music? According to your logic all Palestinians are like that.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Saudi Press Admits: 9/11 was a False Flag
Post by: Saudi Salafi on May 28, 2016, 10:54:55 AM
Assalamu alaikum brother Osama,

You wrote this on this website:

" Proud to be a Muslim, first,
and a Palestinian-American!
America doesn't just belong
to the Jews and Christians"

How dare you claim to be proup of being an American?! That country which is allied with Israel which stole your nation! I can't wait for my summer vacation to end so I can tell my Palestinian friends about this! Most Americans have hatred against Islam and it's followers. So how dare you claim that you are proud to be a Palestinian-American?


Sincerely,

A proud royal desert monkey, Abdullah Madi Abdullah Al-Madi Al-Tamimi (Saudi Arabia, Riyadh)
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Saudi Press Admits: 9/11 was a False Flag
Post by: AhmadFarooq on May 28, 2016, 01:48:02 PM
Asslam-o-Alaikum,

You know the Arabic words for "Peace be upon you", which you two are fond of using but is clear to everyone that you don't really mean it.

Both of you, should take a step back. We have a saying in my country, if the rope is taut or stretched from one end the other end should be let loose, meaning that if one person is being rigid or angry or unreasonable or whatever, the other person should up-to an equal, amount become more flexible, understanding and patient. This is usually an advice for a married couple but obviously it is a sound advice for every one.

Mufti Shafi' Usmani in his commentary on the Qur'an Tafseer-e-Maariful Quran quotes an incident during the caliphate of one of the Abbasids. An old man came to the Caliph and said to him, I am going to strongly rebuke you. The Caliph became troubled and answered the old man that neither he was better than the Prophet Moosa nor was he, the Caliph, worse than the Pharaoh; for when Allah sent Prophet Moosa to the Pharaoh, He sent him with the following instructions:

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And speak to him [i.e. Pharaoh] with gentle speech that perhaps he may be reminded or fear [Allah]."
(Qur'an, Surah Taha(20):44)

Additionally, from the Sunnah of the Prophet Muhammad himself:

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... So by mercy from Allah , [O Muhammad], you were lenient with them. And if you had been rude [in speech] and harsh in heart, they would have disbanded from about you. So pardon them and ask forgiveness for them and consult them in the matter...
(Qur'an, Surah Al-Imran(3):159)

There is usually huge amounts of misinformation about every nation, some negative spread by inimical nations and some positive propaganda spread by the governments themselves. While most of it is because people are usually too lazy to actually do a deep enough study about something before making concrete opinions in their minds (one of the primary reasons for the hate regarding anything "Islamic"). In cases like these we should remember:

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Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.
(Marcus Aurelius)

And follow the common-sense guidance from the Qur'an:

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قُلْ هَاتُوا بُرْهَانَكُمْ إِن كُنتُمْ صَادِقِينَ ...
... Say, "Produce your proof, if you should be truthful."
(Qur'an, Surah Al-Baqarah(2):111)

And when adequate proof has been provided, we should change our original positions or (because it is usually very difficult to do so) at the very-least take a neutral stand on the matter before things are said and done which cannot be "unsaid" and "undone".

I know that, you probably know all these things, but it was obvious that some things needed to be reminded.

Now, regarding Saudi Arabia, no country in the world is ideal. Every nation has its fair share of corruption and proud-full moments and I doubt Saudi Arabia is any different. The people there, whether they be the ruling monarchy or the common people also likely to have both, good and bad people.

There is a method in argumentation called Moral Reframing which is basically: Because of the reason different groups of people endorse different moral values to varying extents, it is effective to use moral arguments reframed to fit the moral narratives of the target audience.

As, obviously, you have huge difference of opinion on the matter of Al-Saud, I would humbly (very humbly) suggest that you make the Islamic ideals as the "moral narrative" to judge who is more right. (Remember neither of you are likely to be completely right or completely wrong about everything here).

I will start this discussion, by saying very respectfully to Osama Abdullah, to keep in mind the first two verses mentioned above. After this I will try to criticize a few of both of your points so that you can direct some of that "excitement" towards me instead of each-other.

To Abdullah Almadi,

I don't think any Muslim, who knows about history, does not appreciate the contributions of King Faisal. The Pakistanis changed the name of their third largest city after his name. His loss was indeed a great loss for the Ummah. But from the point-of-view of a comparatively objective, albeit ignorant, person; the question remains, why did the following rulers not pursue the policies with the same enthusiasm? I understand to some small extent the need to keep alliances with the US, and it would go against Islam for the Saudis to go against a covenant they might have made in the past with the Americans, but again from what I know of King Faisal he wouldn't have supported such alliances especially with the most important supporter of Israel.

Increasing the size of Masjid Al-Haram is of course a valuable contribution, but it would not be entirely correct to say that this is done completely altruistically. From what I understand the revenue generated by the in-coming pilgrims provides economic activity for the country.

Regarding Egypt (or any other country, for that matter) allowing alcohol and swine meat, as far as I have read about Islam, does not go directly against Islam as such things are allowed for non-Muslims living under Muslim rulers.

The Al-Saud's using their family name might not go directly against Islam, but it isn't idealistic either. Similarly, Islam might not explicitly and absolutely prohibit Monarchy, but it is definitely against the methodology set-up by the Rashiddun Caliphate.

To Osama Abdullah,

You gave a lot of statements but no references to back them up.

Regarding "... even if the ruler DOES LEWDNESS AND DRINKS ALCOHOL IN MECCA NEAR THE KAABA, his rule would still be valid." I believe the Sheikh was using the narrations such as the following as support for his ruling:

Prophet Muhammad said, “There will be leaders after me who will demand their rights from you but will withhold your rights from you.” They said, “What do you command us then O Messenger of Allāh” He said, “Fulfil the rights you owe to them and supplicate to Allāh for your rights.” He also said, “Whoever amongst you sees from his ruler something (objectionable), let him have patience with him for whoever separates from the main body by a handspan has thrown the yoke of Islām from his neck.”

He also said, “Whoever departed from obedience and separated from the main body will have died a death of Jāhiliyyah (days of pre-Islāmic ignorance).”

He also said, “The best of your leaders are those whom you love and who love you, and whom you pray for and they pray for you. The worst of your rulers are the ones whom you hate and who hate you, and whom you curse and who curse you.” They said, “Shall we not fight them?” He said, “No, so long as they pray”.

All of these traditions are in the Ṣaḥīḥ (of al-Bukhārī) along with other traditions like them.



I am having internet problems at the moment, so I am unable to search for the exact references.

Anything and everything I say could be completely and unequivocally incorrect, for which I apologize in advance.

And lastly,

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Anas bin Malik told that the Prophet (Sallallahu Alaihi wa Sallam) said: "(O! Muslims) Do not hate each other, do not envy one another, and do not be hostile to one another (standing back to back), rather be brothers (as) servants of Allah. A Muslim is not allowed to desert his brother (Muslim) more than three days." This means, as explained in the Sunan: To avoid whatsoever may cause hatred, and none of you should wish the termination of other's amenity, whether you wish it for yourself or not, and do not break off from one another more than three nights with their days.

It has also been stated in Sunan Abu Dawood by Abu Hurairah that the Prophet (Sallallahu Alaihi wa Sallam) said: "The Muslim is not allowed to abandon a Muslim brother more than three (nights). If three days pass and he meets him, he should greet him. If he (the other believer) returns his greeting, then they share the reward; but if he does not return it, he (alone) will incur the sin." Ahmad added: 'And the Muslim is then freed from the desertion.' In another Hadith (it says): "He who breaks off from his (Muslim) brother more than three and dies (during this period) will go to Hell." In another Hadith (it says): "He who deserts his (Muslim) brother for a year is like shedding his blood."

Source: http://www.islamweb.net/emainpage/index.php?page=showfatwa&Option=FatwaId&Id=86772
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Saudi Press Admits: 9/11 was a False Flag
Post by: Introvert98 on May 28, 2016, 08:58:46 PM
Bashar Al Assad aint killing any sunnis, thats a western media fabricated lie. The reality is most people who support him are the majority sunni muslims.USA,Israel and the west are funding ISIS to distablisie Middle East and kill Muslims in order to create the greater state of Israel. The leader of ISIS real name is Simon elliot an Israeli mossad agent, Even wounded ISIS soldiers get treated in Tel Aviv.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Saudi Press Admits: 9/11 was a False Flag
Post by: Introvert98 on May 28, 2016, 09:06:48 PM
Saudi Royal families are in reality crypto Jews and the wiki leaks proved their connection with Israel, they go visit the west and dine with roayla families who are also genocidal maniacs reponsible for the dissoloution of the Middle East.Not to mention the templar crosses the Suadi royal family were wearing on their visit. Also the Saudi princes go to London to commit acts of homosexuality whilst they behead homosexuals in Arabia. They also silence anyone in Arabaia that criticises their actions and have harsh laws against the people.SAUDI ROYAL FAMILY ARE PIGS PUT IN POWER BYA  BRITISH AGENT CALLED LAWRENCE OF ARABIA WHO HELPED DESTROY THE TURKISH CALIPHATE AND INDUCE RACE WARS. THEY ARE NOT MUSLIMS...PERIOD.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Saudi Press Admits: 9/11 was a False Flag
Post by: submit on May 28, 2016, 10:10:01 PM
Monarchy system is much preferable than modern democracy. You dont have the hassle of choosing popular 'CEOs' that can bring wealth to a country. You dont have to implant hate on any opposing factions.

Also the weakness of a leader , lewdness etc cant be inherited from a father to son/siblings/relatives. As e.g.60 years of lifespan diminish, those who replace the predecessor have their own ways of implementing Laws and governing.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Saudi Press Admits: 9/11 was a False Flag
Post by: AhmadFarooq on May 28, 2016, 11:12:03 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I've read the Al-Saud and Al-Wahab families wrested power from the Sheikh of Mecca and he was the one who was helped by the British through Lawrence of Arabia. The Meccan sheikh made a deal with the British during the first World War to fight against the Ottomans so that he may be able to make himself a "Khalifa" of the Muslims. The British took some time but they to some extent honoured their promise and made the three sons of that Sheikh rulers in Mecca, Iraq and (if I remember correctly) Jordan. The Meccan one was ousted by the Al-Saud, the Iraqi one by a nationalistic Iraqi uprising in the 1950s (from whom power was wrested by the CIA) and only the ones in Jordan apparently remained to rule the lands.

On the matter of Monarchies, I believe the opinions of those people is stronger who believe in the Qur'an verse of Amruhum Shura' Bainahum (and they resolve their issues with mutual consultation). Muslims have always had their most learned scholars of the times giving the most important religious or judicial rulings which was accepted through Ijma', why should such a concept not be considered when it comes to matters, some would argue, much more significant such as running the state affairs.

Both systems, monarchies and democracies, have their benefits and risks, but democratic systems appear to be a better choice. The regimes like those of the Shah of Iran or of Hosni Mubarak of Egypt are very clear examples of how democratic systems could have helped the people had they been given the choice. The only choice for those people was starting a revolution, it shouldn't be that difficult to get rid of rulers who are infamous all over the world for their corruption, persecution or torture of their subjects.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Saudi Press Admits: 9/11 was a False Flag
Post by: QuranSearchCom on May 29, 2016, 12:44:44 PM
As'salamu Alaikum,

Regarding the monarchy point, just remember that aside from the Noble Verse that I gave above that clearly prohibits for humans to appoint themselves as kings, but I also want to remind you of the following:

1-  Abdul Rahman bin Abu Bakr, the son of the first Islamic Caliph, didn't become the Caliph after his father.

2-  Omar didn't appoint any son after him either.

3-  Uthman had Ali as his Wazeer (vice president).

4-  Ali on his death bed was asked about appointing Hasan after him.  He told his followers "I do not command you nor forbid you."

Monarchy is a lie.  It is forbidden in Islam, and the Muslims didn't practice it.  It wasn't until Muawiyah came and corrupted the entire Islamic ruling system.

As to Sheikh Uthaymeen's statement that I quoted above, here is a Youtube video with showing the quote from the book and the page:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hj-zeZpw084

Video on youtube is called: أخطر ما في مؤلفات شيخ الوهابية ابن العثيمين

Wahabism is a false religion of hypocrisy.  It dumbs down Islam and corrupts it.  As to the false hadith about the Prophet ordering the Muslims to follow the corrupt leaders, this is a fabricated lie on the Prophet.  Didn't he say that IF FATIMA (his daughter) STOLE SOMETHING, HE HIMSELF WOULD'VE CUT HER HAND?

Yet, your false Sheikh Uthaymeen vomited in the video that I gave above that even if the leader STEALS THE WEALTH AND CORRUPTS THE PEOPLE, AND EVEN IF HE DRINKS ALCOHOL IN FRONT OF THE KAABA and does lewdness in front of it, then he still remains the lawful leader upon the Muslims.

This false hadith that was brought up is one proof from many about how false many of the Quran-rejecting and Quran-contradicting false hadiths are.  The false hadith that was mentioned about following the false rulers belongs to the garbage.  For ample proofs, visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/warning.htm



No absolute ruler:

Allah Almighty made it amply clear in the Glorious Quran that there are no absolute rulers upon any Muslim.  All are subject to GOD Almighty's Law and Judgment both on earth and in the Day of Judgment:

www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php?topic=2087.msg9310#msg9310



Does not Allah Almighty Command you to go against your elders and rulers?

Another proof that proves that Muawiyah's religion is garbage is the simple fact that Allah Almighty Himself Commanded the Muslims to ALWAYS stand up for Justice regardless of who it may be against:

"O ye who believe! Stand out firmly For justice, as witnesses To Allah, even as against Yourselves, or your parents, Or your kin, and whether It be (against) rich or poor: For Allah can best protect both. Follow not the lusts (Of your hearts), lest ye Swerve, and if ye Distort (justice) or decline To do justice, verily Allah is well-acquainted With all that ye do.  (The Noble Quran, 4:135)"

"...Help ye one another In righteousness and piety, But help ye not one another In sin and rancour: Fear Allah: for Allah Is strict in punishment.  (The Noble Quran, 5:2)"

How are you a witness to Allah Almighty when you are nothing short of a complete coward, hypocrite, liar, and a satan worshiper?

Visit: www.answering-christianity.com/justice.htm

I want everyone here to see the corrupt Islam that many of the wahabis vomit.  Again, Sheikh Uthaymeen vomited in the video that I gave above that even if the leader STEALS THE WEALTH AND CORRUPTS THE PEOPLE, AND EVEN IF HE DRINKS ALCOHOL IN FRONT OF THE KAABA and does lewdness in front of it, then he still remains the lawful leader upon the Muslims:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hj-zeZpw084

Video on youtube is called: أخطر ما في مؤلفات شيخ الوهابية ابن العثيمين

What kind of a rotten stink is this false garbage of yours that you call "Islam"??



Which Islam do you follow?

1-  Your rotten sheikhs tell you that if the ruler steals the wealth, then he still remains the ruler.

2-  Your Prophet said that even if his daughter stole, he would've cut her hand.

3-  Your Creator Commanded you to stand out for Justice against anyone and everyone, and be a genuine witness to Him, the Almighty.

4-  Your Creator Told you that even the ruler is subject to GOD Almighty's Law both on earth and in the Day of Judgment.  There are no absolute rulers in Islam.

LOOOOLLLLL.  Man, even a 1st grader's brain gets it! :)



The Horn of Satan:

Wahabism belongs to the toilet.  Prophet Muhammad said that THE HORN OF SATAN will come from the land of Najd, which is modern-day Saudi Arabia:

www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=horn+of+satan+will+come+from+Saudi+Arabia


UPDATE ON September 5, 2016:

SAhih Bukhari Book 88 Hadith 214  [Arabi words having Najd followed by translation]

 أَنَّ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ قَالَ اللَّهُمَّ بَارِكْ لَنَا فِي شَامِنَا اللَّهُمَّ بَارِكْ لَنَا فِي يَمَنِنَا قَالُوا وَفِي نَجْدِنَا قَالَ اللَّهُمَّ بَارِكْ لَنَا فِي شَامِنَا وَبَارِكْ لَنَا فِي يَمَنِنَا قَالُوا وَفِينَجْدِنَا قَالَ هُنَاكَ الزَّلَازِلُ وَالْفِتَنُ وَبِهَا أَوْ قَالَ مِنْهَا يَخْرُجُ قَرْنُ الشَّيْطَانِ

 Narrated Ibn 'Umar:

The Prophet said, "O Allah! Bestow Your blessings on our Sham! O Allah! Bestow Your blessings on our Yemen." The People said, "And also on our Najd." He said, "O Allah! Bestow Your blessings on our Sham (north)! O Allah! Bestow Your blessings on our Yemen." The people said, "O Allah's Apostle! And also on our Najd." I think the third time the Prophet said, "There (in Najd) is the place of earthquakes and afflictions and from there comes out the side of the head HORN OF SATAN قَرْنُ الشَّيْطَانِ ."


Sahih Muslim Book 41 Hadith 6939

Ibn 'Umar reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) stood by the door (of the apartment of) gafsa and, pointing towards the east (najd), he said: The turmoil would appear from this side, viz. where the horns of Satan would appear, and he uttered these words twice or thrice and Ubaidullah b. Sa'ld in his narration said. The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) had been standing by the door of 'A'isha.


Bukhari Book 17 Hadith 147
Narrated Ibn 'Umar:

(The Prophet) said, "O Allah! Bless our Sham and our Yemen." People said, "Our Najd as well." The Prophet again said, "O Allah! Bless our Sham and Yemen." They said again, "Our Najd as well." On that the Prophet said, "There will appear earthquakes and afflictions, and from there will come out the side of the head of Satan."


Bukhari Book 93 Hadith 651
Narrated Abu Sa'id Al-Khudri:

The Prophet said, "There will emerge from the East (najd) some people who will recite the Qur'an but it will not exceed their throats and who will go out of (renounce) the religion (Islam) as an arrow passes through the game, and they will never come back to it unless the arrow, comes back to the middle of the bow (by itself) (i.e., impossible). The people asked, "What will their signs be?" He said, "Their sign will be the habit of shaving ( their heads).

http://sunniforum.net/showthread.php?t=11267



The Quran supports the HORN OF SATAN Hadiths:

Here is an interesting observation from the Glorious Quran:

 ‏25:30 وقال الرسول يارب ان قومي اتخذوا هذا القران مهجورا

[025:030]  And the Messenger will say, `O my Lord, my people ان قومي indeed treated this Qur'an as a thing to be discarded.'

QAWMI قومي is limited to tribe, family, local people, community.  UMMATI refers to the entire UMMAH (the entire Muslim nation).  Ummah was used in the Glorious Quran to refer to all of the Muslims (2:128, 2:143, 3:104, 3:110, 21:92, 23:52).  But notice here that QAWMI was used instead.  This seems to strongly support the HORN OF SATAN HADITHS about the Saudis!

So much for the evil that you call wahabism.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Saudi Press Admits: 9/11 was a False Flag
Post by: QuranSearchCom on May 29, 2016, 07:09:18 PM
Again, Prophet Muhammad said that THE HORN OF SATAN will come from the land of Najd, which is modern-day Saudi Arabia:

www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=horn+of+satan+will+come+from+Saudi+Arabia


UPDATE ON September 5, 2016:

SAhih Bukhari Book 88 Hadith 214  [Arabi words having Najd followed by translation]

 أَنَّ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ قَالَ اللَّهُمَّ بَارِكْ لَنَا فِي شَامِنَا اللَّهُمَّ بَارِكْ لَنَا فِي يَمَنِنَا قَالُوا وَفِي نَجْدِنَا قَالَ اللَّهُمَّ بَارِكْ لَنَا فِي شَامِنَا وَبَارِكْ لَنَا فِي يَمَنِنَا قَالُوا وَفِينَجْدِنَا قَالَ هُنَاكَ الزَّلَازِلُ وَالْفِتَنُ وَبِهَا أَوْ قَالَ مِنْهَا يَخْرُجُ قَرْنُ الشَّيْطَانِ

 Narrated Ibn 'Umar:

The Prophet said, "O Allah! Bestow Your blessings on our Sham! O Allah! Bestow Your blessings on our Yemen." The People said, "And also on our Najd." He said, "O Allah! Bestow Your blessings on our Sham (north)! O Allah! Bestow Your blessings on our Yemen." The people said, "O Allah's Apostle! And also on our Najd." I think the third time the Prophet said, "There (in Najd) is the place of earthquakes and afflictions and from there comes out the side of the head HORN OF SATAN قَرْنُ الشَّيْطَانِ ."


Sahih Muslim Book 41 Hadith 6939

Ibn 'Umar reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) stood by the door (of the apartment of) gafsa and, pointing towards the east (najd), he said: The turmoil would appear from this side, viz. where the horns of Satan would appear, and he uttered these words twice or thrice and Ubaidullah b. Sa'ld in his narration said. The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) had been standing by the door of 'A'isha.


Bukhari Book 17 Hadith 147
Narrated Ibn 'Umar:

(The Prophet) said, "O Allah! Bless our Sham and our Yemen." People said, "Our Najd as well." The Prophet again said, "O Allah! Bless our Sham and Yemen." They said again, "Our Najd as well." On that the Prophet said, "There will appear earthquakes and afflictions, and from there will come out the side of the head of Satan."


Bukhari Book 93 Hadith 651
Narrated Abu Sa'id Al-Khudri:

The Prophet said, "There will emerge from the East (najd) some people who will recite the Qur'an but it will not exceed their throats and who will go out of (renounce) the religion (Islam) as an arrow passes through the game, and they will never come back to it unless the arrow, comes back to the middle of the bow (by itself) (i.e., impossible). The people asked, "What will their signs be?" He said, "Their sign will be the habit of shaving ( their heads).

http://sunniforum.net/showthread.php?t=11267



The Quran supports the HORN OF SATAN Hadiths:

Here is an interesting observation from the Glorious Quran:

 ‏25:30 وقال الرسول يارب ان قومي اتخذوا هذا القران مهجورا

[025:030]  And the Messenger will say, `O my Lord, my people ان قومي indeed treated this Qur'an as a thing to be discarded.'

QAWMI قومي is limited to tribe, family, local people, community.  UMMATI refers to the entire UMMAH (the entire Muslim nation).  Ummah was used in the Glorious Quran to refer to all of the Muslims (2:128, 2:143, 3:104, 3:110, 21:92, 23:52).  But notice here that QAWMI was used instead.  This seems to strongly support the HORN OF SATAN HADITHS about the Saudis!

Take care,
Osama Abdallah
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Saudi Press Admits: 9/11 was a False Flag
Post by: Saudi Salafi on May 30, 2016, 10:00:32 AM
   Not only are you racist, ungrateful, and disresctful, you are also ignoramus. Tell me a single hadith or a Qur'anic verse which states that monarchies are forbidden. Alhamdulilah Saudi Arabia is the world's 3rd happiest country http://saudigazette.com.sa/business/saudi-arabia-third-happiest-country-in-the-world-survey/

What depresses me the most is the fact that you use the hadith regarding Najd and satan lol. Brother Bassam Zawadi has refuted this over here:
http://www.ahlalhdeeth.com/vbe/archive/index.php/t-251.html

Like me, Sheikh Muhammad ibn Abdulwahab (May Allah have mercy on him) comes from the Banu Tamim tribe. His name is Muhammad bin Abdulwahab Al-Tamimi. Here is what the prophet (PBUH) had to say regarding Banu Tamim:


Narrated Abu Huraira: I have not ceased to like Banu tamim ever since I heard of three qualities attributed to them by Allah's Apostle (He said): They, out of all my followers, will be the strongest opponent of Ad-dajjal; 'Aisha had a slave-girl from them, and the Prophet told her to manumit her as she was from the descendants of (the Prophet) Ishmael; and, when their Zakat was brought, the Prophet said, "This is the Zakat of my people." (Book #59, Hadith #652)


Also from Musnad Ahmad ibn Hanbal:

"do not say of Bani Tameem anything but good, for indeed they are the severest of people in attacking the Dajjaal."
Banu Tamim are the majority of people of the so-called Najd (Saudi Arabia). To label Najd as that area of Saudi Arabia would be in contradiction of the many hadeeth relating to Bani Tameem especially those in which they fight the Dajjal, who comes from the Najd that is to the East.

Islamqa.info addresses this hadith too:
https://islamqa.info/ar/99569


Banu Tamim were also known for spreading Islam and fighting with Abu Bakr  (RA). They also helped a lot in conquering Persia.
Al-Qa'qa'a ibn Amr at-Tamim i - A general who commanded an army from his tribe and helped conquer Persia under Caliph Umar.

We can obviously see that the tribe of Banu Tamim are know for being the strongest enemies of the dajjal and that they will stop falsehood. And this is exactly what Muhammad bin Abdulwahab did. Maybe if he didn't exist I might have been worshipping rocks right now.


Read these:


https://islamqa.info/en/10867

http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?4028-the-truth-about-Sheikh-Muhamad-ibn-AbdulWahab-amp-refutation-to-all-false-labels-on-him


" The truth about Sheikh Muhammad ibn Abdulwahab and a refutation to all false labels on him:
The eighteenth century was an era of Western colonial expansionism. The entire Muslim World was groaning under the iron heels of the European colonialists. The mighty Ottoman Empire was heading towards a collapse. Muslim society suffered from superstitions, pagan practices, heretical innovations and apostatical leanings. The concept of pure and uncompromising Tawhid (monotheism) got mixed up with polytheism. Hijaz, the land of two sanctuaries of Islam, was no exception. The whole of the Arabian Peninsula was under the grip of superstitions and Jahiliya practices. Najd, the central part of the Peninsula, had also lapsed into pre-Islamic heathenism. Despite such a gloomy picture, the reformative impulse was always active and operational.

Religio-Cultural And Political Milieu Of Najd Before The Shaikh
Bedouin Arabia had slipped into ignorance, barbarism, bloodletting, discord and corruption. Religion was perverted and the socioeconomic and cultural life was paralysed. Few God-fearing 'Ulama' were combating the heathen beliefs and practices, such as stone, tree and grave worship. The state of affairs in Najd was awful:
"... They called upon idols and sought their intercession and aid, offered sacrifices to stones and rocks and trees in the belief that these possess the power to bring good and ward off evil, and so people sought their pleasure and approbation through
offerings .....” (Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhaab; Ahmad Abdul Ghafur)

The Najdians used to consult the soothsayers and oracles as if they were the successors of Al-Ablak al-Saadi, the famous oracle of pagan Najd. It resembled the practices of the Quraish before Islam. The life of Bedouins in the desert of Najd, as well as in its cities and villages, were characterised by lawlessness, bestiality, mad and brute freedom which was bound to let the society loose in ignorance, wickedness and political tyranny of the Amirs and Governors.

Bedouins assaulted the travellers and caravans and killed innocent men and women. Assassins fell upon villages and towns during day and night. They would plunder towns, kill and enslave people and kidnap children and infants to sell them into slavery. Since there was no strong ruler to ensure peace and security and since petty states were ruled by absolute tyrants, devoid of Islamic spirit, public safety was non-existent. The devilish and wicked rulers and leaders hired criminals to kill the 'Ulama' who were preaching the truth of Islam or were frightening the people with the punishments of the Hereafter. The 'Ulama', judges, notables, preachers and guides of Al-Kasim were killed in 1196 A.H., without discrimination. A conference was convened by the criminals to decide the fate of all those who preached reform. The unanimous decision of the conference was:

"... to get rid of the 'Ulama' by murder and every town and village would slay its 'Ulama' in a single day ... "

Thus on the specified day the 'Ulama'and learned men in every town and village were killed. It was on Friday that the 'Ulama' of Al-Khabra, and Al-Janah were slain when they were going to the mosque for their Friday prayers. Other towns and villages followed Suit.

Shaikh Husain ibn-Ghannam has recorded numerous tragedies of a similar nature in his famous book 'Rawdat al-Afkar wal-Afham' which mirrors the contemporary life in Najd. He shows how the Najdians had slipped into polytheism and heathenism and worshipped deities other than Allah, "calling them for protection in distress and invoking them to provide sustenance, and ward off evil and bring good". There was a general belief that certain shrines, domes, stones and trees possessed the power to harm and protect people. The famous palm tree called "al-Fahhal" in Bleida was worshipped by men and women who would call on it to provide sustenance, lighten their distress and cure their sicknesses. The women would invoke its help and ask it to give her a husband or a child. The tree of 'Tarjiya' was worshipped in the same way. The women begetting a male child would hang a rope or a piece of cloth on the tree, asking it to grant a long life to the child. The branches, leaves and stems of the tree was not visible because they were covered by piles of ropes and pieces of cloth. The cave, situated in the hill of Dar'iya, was the centre of pilgrimage. It was claimed that the cave was the grave of the daughter of a Prince. She was a great female saint. People invoked her for aid. (Ibid)

"The story was invented by a deceiver to lead people astray and to extort money through jugglery" (Ibid)

Similarly, a blind man was being worshipped after his death. To him was attributed great Karamat. There was hardly a city where tombs and graves were not worshipped. Special mosques were venerated and visited as objects of pilgrimage. People invoked succour and offered sacrifices on them. Islam as religion was forsaken and its teachings forgotten.

The Amirs and rulers, being totally ignorant of the laws of Allah, were blinded by lust, prejudices and mad impulses, slaying people without reason, and plundering their houses and lands. Wars were rampant among the tribal chiefs and Amirs who would enslave women and sell them for adultery. The savage bestiality swayed supreme. The two families, comparatively better in administering justice, were the rulers of Dar'iya and 'Uyaina. The former was ruled by the Sa'ud family while the latter was under the rule of the family of Muammar. They were religiously orientated. Other parts of the country were governed by tyrants and despots. Riad was ruled by Daham ibn-Dawas, a tyrant and hypocrite of the first order, who would sew the mouths of women, cut the tongues of innocent people, break their teeth and slash flesh from their bodies and force them to eat their own flesh after being roasted. He was a peerless brute, whose sports was nothing but pillage, plunder and aggression.

The economic life was as corrupt as was the religio-cultural life. Piracy and plunder had paralysed the trade routes and liquidated the import and export of merchandise. Agriculture perished due to the extortion of the tyrant rulers who would burn standing crops. Thus anarchy and famine prevailed, raiding, robbery and murders continued, and lust and ambitions swayed supreme. Moral and educational life was almost non-existent. Righteous 'Ulama' were resented and reformists were slain

The Advent Of The Shaikh:
It was in the background of such pitch darkness that Shaikh Muhammad ibn-'Abd-al-Wahhab appeared on the scene and started his Da'wa work. He was full of hope and promise and dispelled the clouds of gloom and frustration that had engulfed the souls of people. He revived the concept of pure Tawhid (monotheism) and called people to return to pristine Islam - the Quran and the Sunna. He launched his movement with full vigour and resolved to cut the roots of heathenism, superstitions and heretical innovations with the sharp scissor of Tawhid. Ruthless battles with the formidable adversaries had to follow and migration and persecutions were in store for the Shaikh. Had there been no protection of Allah descending on the Shaikh, he would have perished.

The rise of the Tawhid Movement, threatened the rulers politically and the 'Ulamaa` as-Su`’ (evil-minded religious scholars), religiously. The Ottoman Empire got frightened and hastened to liquidate the movement through military operations. 'Ibrahim Pasha, the son of Muhammad 'Ali, the Turkish governor of Egypt, was sent to crush the movement which he did in April 1818, when Dar'iya was raised to the ground and men and women, old and young and infants were slain. Amir 'Abd-Allah, the Sa'udi ruler of Dar'iya, was arrested and sent to Turkey via Egypt, where he was executed at the Aya Sofia Square with humiliation. His companions were also executed in Turkey.

A Profile Of The Shaikh:
The Shaikh, who descended from a noble family - the Musharraf - a branch of Banu-Tamim, was born in 1703/1115 in the family of learned 'Ulama'. His father 'Abd-al-Wahhab himself was a great Jurist, 'Alim and a chief Qadi (Judge) of Dar'iya. He personally taught his son all the sciences of Islamic learning. He learnt the Qur'aan by heart while still a child. His brilliance and good memory helped him to cut short the years of study. By the age of twenty, he excelled all the 'Ulama' of his town. Since his movement involved his whole family in open hostility leading to the use of force by the adversaries, his father had to migrate in 1139 from 'Uyaina to Huraimila, along with his family. The Shaikh resolved to stay behind and promote his Da'wa. The 'Ulamaa` as-Su`’ started refuting him and instigated people to rise against him, ridicule, abuse and insult him. The opposition reached such a passe that the Shaikh had to migrate from his hometown 'Uyaina', so that the fire of discord kindled by the opponents, could be extinguished. He went to Mecca and Madina for higher education and for the promotion of his mission. Many 'Ulama' in Mecca and Madina supported his Da'wa. He studied under the 'Ulama' of Madina, especially under Shaikh Ibn-Saif who initiated him to study Imaam Ahmad ibn-Hanbal, and the Sihah Sitta, the six famous compilations of Hadith. The Shaikh launched his Da'wa in the holy cities which were also under the grip of un-Islamic practices. One day he was shocked when he saw painful scenes in front of the tomb of the Holy Prophet (SAW), and he decided to emancipate people from acts which were forbidden even by the Holy Prophet (S.A.W.) himself. After having finished his education in Madina he returned to Najd and survived the ordeals that he had to face during the course of his journey from Madina to Najd via Basra, az-Zubair and al-Ahsa. He reached Huraimila where his parents lived. His father pledged his support, help and protection to the son and encouraged him to carry on with his call. The 'Ulama' of Huraimila rose against the Shaikh and instigated the rank and file to stiffen their resistance to his call and murder the Shaikh.

The Shaikh left his parents and reached 'Uyaina where he was welcomed by the Amir, 'Uthman-ibn-Mu'ammar, who lent all his support to the Shaikh and gave the daughter of 'Abd-Allah ibn-Mu'ammar into his marriage. The matrimonial relations helped the Shaikh in the promotion of his Da'wa. Now people of 'Uyaina, in addition to people of Huraimila, Riad and Dar'iya also joined the Shaikh in his noble mission.

The Da'wa In Action:
The Shaikh started teaching people the Qur’aan, and Hadith and the concept of Tawhid and invited them to return to pristine Islam and renounce the idolatrous cult. The first acid test of public faith appeared when the Shaikh invited them to pull down the gigantic sacred tree at 'Uyaina and to demolish the idols that were worshipped by them. People were scared to do so because they feared that some divine curse would befall them soon after the act was committed. The tree was, however, pulled down and the idols were removed. People's faith was strengthened in the call of the Shaikh when no curse descended upon them after the tree was cut off. They were spellbound with amazement.

There was still another test to follow, namely, the demolition of the dome from the tomb of a grave, which was ascribed to Zaid ibn-al-Khattab, situated at Gubaila. Scholars do hold that the said grave has not yet been located by archaeologists. The supposed grave was a centre of pilgrimage, where people committed idolatrous acts. It was, however, demolished in the presence of the ruler of 'Uyaina. The tomb was a means of earning a living. The ruler himself took part in its demolition. People were now more scared of divine afflictions and chastisement of the town that had to follow after such acts of desecration. But their faith was further strengthened when they saw that no affliction descended on them from the heavens. Consequently, people followed the call of the Shaikh in large numbers. 'Uyaina and its suburbs were cleared from such trees, stones and domes.

The news of the success of the Shaikh and of the support given to him by the ruler of 'Uyaina alarmed other tyrant rulers who were afraid of losing their political power. The rulers of Najd and Al-Ahsa' made an alliance to destroy the movement as soon as possible. The ruler of Al-Ahsa' asked the Amir of 'Uyaina to suspend his support and present himself to Al-Ahsa', which he did not comply with. The ruler of Al-Ahsa' stirred a revolt against the Shaikh in order to expel him from 'Uyaina. He succeeded in doing so. The Shaikh left his hometown and reached Dar'iya, which was destined to become the cradle of the immortal Tawhid movement. Ibn-Sa'ud, the Amir of Dar'iya, lent his full support to the Da'wa of the Shaikh and protected and promoted the call. The town and its people were now transformed from darkness unto light and from ignorance to knowledge. The Shaikh gave lessons in the Holy Book, the Hadith and other Islamic 'Ulum in the famous hall Dar-an-Nadwa'. Mosques were filled with the youth. The envious 'Ulamd' could not see the scene and branded the Shaikh as soothsayer, sorcerer and false pretender and charged him with trickery and charlatanry. Some of them charged him of being a heretic, an unbeliever and a lying sorcerer. The Shaikh, however, exercised maximum forbearance for his sufferings at the hands of the clergy and the laity and endured the mischief they inflicted upon him. He simply prayed to Allah for the guidance of the opponents. Forbearance and fortitude became the elements of his sterling character and pattern of behaviour.

An unholy alliance, against the Shaikh, was made between the rulers of Riad, Al-Katif and Basra. The 'Ulamaa` as-Su`’ joined them. The most determined and vehement enemies of the call were the Ulama' of Najd. Muhammad ibn-Sahim and his son Ibrahim were among them. Daham ibn-Dawas, the Amirr of Riad, and Sulaiman, the Amir of Al-Ahsa', the absolute tyrants, launched their offensive and militant crusades against the Da'wa. The war between Daham, the ruler of Riad and Ibn-Sa'ud, the ruler of Dar'iya, who was the protector of the Da'wa of Tawhid, raged for about twenty seven years, but to no avail. The Amir of Al-Ahsa', another sworn enemy of the Shaikh, approached various tribes to join him. Their combined armies swarmed the plains and heights of the desert as never witnessed before. The tribes had joined him in lure of plunder and booty. They unleashed their tyrannies, by killing the followers of the Shaikh. In 1188, he destroyed their towns, and burnt their homes. He wanted to march on Dar'iya but his sudden death in 1188 stopped him from his brute ambitions and after his death the opposition could not survive any more.

The failures and discomfiture of the opponents became a source of strength to the Shaikh and his Da'wa and helped him to gain more adherents. The call reached the soil of Iraq, Syria and Hijaz. The call survived and brought radical transformation in the religious, intellectual and political life of the Umma. Now the 'Ulama' were divided into two camps, those who supported the Da'wa and those who opposed it vehemently.

The Wahhabi-Sa'udi Rule:
Since there was no separation between religion and state in Islam and since the state was supposed to enforce the laws of Islam as ordained by Divine Revelation and the Hadith, the Sa'udi rulers of Dar'iya, accepted the call of the Shaikh in letter and spirit and the new state was in fact a Wahhabi-Sa'udi State, promoting justice, truth, righteousness and happiness for the people. The Shaikh himself did not assume any power. He merely motivated the Sa'udi rulers to enforce canonical law and guided them towards Islamic justice. He gave his judgements in disputes in regard to religio-political conflicts or treaties signed between States. He worked both as a religio-social reformer as well as a political leader with vision, insight and acumen. He did not live in isolation from the society or political affairs of the state. The Shaikh and Ibn-Sa'ud acted in perfect harmony because they were on the same wave length of ideas.The harmony reached to such an extent that the Sa'udi rulers could not decide anything without consulting the Shaikh. Even his decisions on war and peace were accepted by the rulers. Thus the government of Dar'iya - was the first Islamic state in the eighteenth century - that was run jointly by the Sa'udi and Wahhabi" leaders.

The Da'wa of the Shaikh succeeded so rapidly because it had a political power and executive authority at its back. Despite hostile assaults, wars for decades, the Da'wa emerged triumphant and the Shaikh saw the fruits of his sacrifice during his own lifetime. The Shaikh, who started his Tawhi'd movement when he was only twenty years old or even less, was happy at heart for he had established the Islamic commonwealth at Dar'iya and had restored the Islamic life-style. After having achieved his mission, the Shaikh surrendered himself to the call of his Creator and passed away in 1792/1206. The news of his demise engulfed the souls of Muslims with sadness, sorrow and grief. Great 'Ulama' mourned the demise in elegiac odes. His message, however, reached Asia, Africa and Europe. One can see the hands of the Shaikh moving in the present resurgence of Islam throughout the Muslim World. It is, however, the saddest episode in the history of Islamic movement that the same Sa'udis who had promoted the call in the beginning have forgotten it today and have slipped into luxuries and are entrapped into the cobwebs of the Superpowers.

Militant Crusade Launched By The 'Ulama':
The 'Ulama', as alluded to repeatedly, constituted a united front in exciting the states and the public against the Shaikh. Since the Shaikh did not believe in verbal exhortation and guidance and since he was a political positivist, and took part in battles along with Ibn- Sa'ud, he was suspected, disliked and disowned by the 'Ulama' who had accepted gladly the divorce between religion and politics or the state. The Shaikh believed that Islam needed political authority in order to uphold and support the commandments of the Qur’aan and the Sunna. The Shaikh neither introduced any new doctrine nor invented a new creed in Islam. Revival of the concept of Tawhid and renunciation of heathen practices was the core of his call. Scholastic

Disputes Disowned:
Despite insurmountable obstacles blocking the way as fetters on his movement, he clung fast to the Qur’aan and the Sunna. He died as a poor man. The great Imaams of Islam, such as Imaam Ahmad ibn Hanbal of Madina, Imaam Ibn-Taimiya and Imaam ibn-Qayyim al-Jawzi, served as inspirational sources for him in the field of reform and reconstruction of the Muslim society which had relapsed into heathenism and had drifted rapidly from its pristine origins. The Shaikh adopted the Qur'anic method in proving and reviving the concept of Tawhid and rejected the scholastic methodology of Greek logic and dialectics that were adopted by some Muslim scholastic theologians (Mutakallimin). Revelation and not logic or empiricism, according to him was the sole guide in metaphysical affairs ('Ilm al-Ilahiyat). He believed that the method of the Qur’aan in regard to the assertion or negation of metaphysical issues and in arguing with disbelievers and sceptics was enough for the defence of the Islamic standpoint. Greek logic or dialectics aimed merely at defeating the opponents, rightly or wrongly, through false wrangling. The method adopted by him in proving the existence of God and His indivisible Unity was purely Qur'aanic. The reply given by him to Shaikh Ibn Sahim, is self-explanatory. Questions related to the Being or the Nature of God, (Zat and Sifat) such as, whether God is a substance, a body or an accident, were debated by the philosophers and scholastic theologians. Imaam Ahmad ibn-Hanbal argued that the Qur’aan and the Sunna, rather than logic and speculative philosophy of the Greeks, were the sole guides for the Muslims in this regard.

The same view was endorsed by the Shaikh. Since scholastic theologians were not the real 'Ulama' of Islam, they had introduced erroneous doctrines that were based on Greek rationalism. They were disowned and denounced by all classical 'Ulama' of Islam. The Shaikh answered the queries that were made by Shaikh 'Abd-al-Latif of Al-Ahsa' in the same strain. He was well aware of the Ahadith in which the Holy Prophet (SAW) had warned the Muslim Umma not to get involved in speculative conjectures in regard to metaphysical issues, such as the essence of and attributes of God, (Zat and Sifat of Allah), predestination and the like, for previous nations lost their way due to such futile discourses; the Muslim Ummah had to follow as it was commanded by the Qur’aan and the Ahaadith. Muslims were dissuaded from discussing topics of no avail. The companions of the Prophet (SAW) followed the course prescribed by the Holy Prophet. The Shaikh followed the Ahaadith in letter and spirit and attacked the Mutakallimin who were ignorant of the evil consequences of 'Ilm al-Kalam and advised them to follow the path laid down by the Holy Prophet.

Waves Of Allegations:
Despite such orthodox faith in the Qurdn and Hadith, the Shaikh was branded by the 'Ulama' as an unbeliever, who regarded all Muslims as infidels, save his own followers. It was alleged that he did not believe in reciting Darood and Salaam on the Prophet and prevented people from doing so. Moreover, he prevented them from visiting the mausoleum of the Holy Prophet (S.A.W.). All such charges were refuted by the Shaikh in his books, letters and discourses.

His response to the queries made by Shaikh 'Abd-ar-Rahman as-Suwaidi of Iraq, is illuminating. He asserted that he neither regarded any Muslim as apostate nor condemned their marriages as invalid. Neither had he ever thought of pulling down the dome of the Holy Prophet, nor to bring any change in the Kaba. These, he asserted, were blatant lies. He, however, advised people to read the Qur’aan instead of books like Dalaa'il al-Khairat. A similar reply was sent to 'Abd-Allah ibn-Sahim in response to his twelve questions addressed to the Shaikh. He rejected the allegation that he was at war with the 'Ulama'. On the contrary, he invited people to follow the rightly guided 'Ulama' of Islam. The domes that were demolished were not the result of desecration of holy shrines but because they were converted into centres of corruption and above all money-making complexes, which corrupted and enfeebled the faith (Aqaaid) of people. The Holy Prophet (S.A.W.) was the first to dismantle the centres of idolatry and priesthood and to ask people to turn to Allah alone and ask Him for Bounties or Favours instead of asking the stones and idols. His mission was, the Shaikh asserted, the revival of the same message. But no amount of explanation could satisfy the 'Ulama' who framed new stories and coined new phrases. It was alleged that Wahhabism and the sword go together and they were inseparable. Thus lies were ascribed to the Shaikh and his Tawhid movement, every now and then. He was intensely detested by the 'Ulama'. His statements and writings were tampered with in order to deceive the innocent public, who were the victims of 'Ulamaa` as-Su`’.

Examples of the Prophet were followed by the Shaikh. The Holy Prophet himself had ordered the pulling down of a tree called 'Dhat Anwat', on which polytheists used to hang their arms and worship it. This analogy did not convince the theologians who charged the Shaikh of disrespecting the Holy Prophet. The truth is that the Shaikh rarely mentioned the name of the Holy Prophet without having recited the Darood and Salam on him.

The 'Ulama' who ignited both the rulers and the public were in fact, court-'Ulama', patronised by the rulers and Amirs. They were afraid of losing face in the public if people were acquainted with the truth of the Tawhid movement, the most powerful emancipating and liberating force from all earthly bondages and mundane loyalties. Consequently, they sowed the seed of discord among the Muslims, instilled hatred and hostility in their hearts against the Da'wa of the Shaikh. The passions of the public, stirred by the 'Ulama' rose so high that they were ready to assassinate the Shaikh. The Sharif of Mecca - Ghalib ibn-Sa'id (1204), hastened to ask 'Abd-al-Aziz-ibn-Sa'ud, the Amir of Dar'iya to send to him some of the learned Wahhabi 'Ulama' in order to clear the mist of mistrust and suspicions befogging the climate about the credentials of the movement. The son of the Shaikh was sent to Mecca with a special message from the Shaikh which is worth reading.

It was also alleged that the Shaikh was very harsh in his Da'wa works. The fact is that the Shaikh in his 'Sadir', advised his followers to be kind, and patient in Da'wa work. He cannot be held responsible for the harshness of some of his followers who were prone to such behaviour due to their Bedouin temperament. The Shaikh explained his views in regard to intercession and made it clear that he believed in the intercession of the Holy Prophet on the Day of Resurrection. Authentic books, such as 'Al-Tawassul wal-Wasila' by Ibn-Taimiya and 'Ad-Dur an-Nadir'by Imaam Shawkaani, were also cited by him. He finally quoted the Qur'anic verse: "... Those whom you call on, themselves desire nearness to Allah, which of them shall be nearer to Allah.”

He further explained the Qur'anic injunctions in which Allah says that all intercessions belonged to Him and He alone will grant permission for intercessions. The Holy Prophet was granted the right to intercede. The chapter on intercession in his "Kitab at-Tawhid' is quite elaborate. Ibn-Taimiya had divided intercession into six categories. The Shaikh also discussed the visit to the graves in the light of Ahadith. Ibn-Qayyim made an express statement in the following words: "Among evil practices are using them (tombs) as religious festivals, performing prayers in them, walking round them, kissing them and touching them, rubbing the face against the dust, worshipping persons buried in them, making supplication to them and calling on them for sustenance, health, repayment of debts, alleviation of distress, aid to the needy, and other things such as idolaters used to ask their idols"

Ibn-Taimiya, in his 'Al-Tawassul wal-Wasila' wrote that: “Numerous are the traditions telling that the Prophet forbade using tombs as mosques and cursed anyone who does so, and forbade using his grave as a religious festival, for polytheism first started among the people of Noah.”

The Shaikh was not different in his message from those of Ibn-Qayyim or Ibn-Taimiya.

From Hostility To Compromise:
The mighty forces rallied against Wahhabism, in and outside of the Arabian Peninsula, could no longer afford to battle against it, either through the pen or the swords. They had to seek compromise and accommodation. The British had already exploited and abused the term of Wahhabism, in order to divide Muslims and rule over them. They had hired religious scholarship in order to produce books against the movement. Syed Ahmad Shahid of Baraili and his movement were branded as Wahhabi movements in the Indo-Pak Subcontinent and gave a brutal blow to his Jihad movements in Balakot in 1831. The Turkish Khilafat, already cracking down, used the term as a source of hate in the Arab and non-Arab world and smeared its good name. They also hired such 'Ulama' who could issue religious decrees of infidelity (Fatwa of Kufr). It was propagated that Wahhabism was a movement of assassins and of unbelievers.

The offensive tides started receding only when progressive 'Ulama' and theologians began to write articles on the movement and evaluated the Shaikh as a great religious reformer and political leader that the eighteenth century had produced. They defended the movement and attacked the Arab rulers who had liquidated it in their countries. Muhammad Kurd 'Ali, a renowned Syrian scholar, wrote his famous article entitled "The Origins of Wahhabism" in the monthly 'Al-Muqtattaf' in 1901/1318, reproduced in his book entitled 'The Old and The New', printed in Egypt in 1925/1343. The movement was favourably evaluated and false accusations were dismissed. Dr. Taha Husain, a well known Egyptian scholar and stylist, changed the climate when he evaluated the movement highly and wrote an article in 'Al-Hilal' in March 1933, about the literary life in the Arabian Peninsula. He rejected the views of Al-Azhar about the Shaikh, and regarded the movement as a great Islamic movement in the Middle East, which liberated the Arabian Peninsula from heathenism and emancipated them from Jahiliyya practices and brought the Bedouins back into Islam, as the Holy Prophet had done in his own time. He concluded by saying: "Had the Turks and Egyptians not made common cause to combat this doctrine and did not combat it in its homeland with force and arm, never known before to the people of the desert, it would have been very probable that this doctrine could have united the Arabs in the twelfth and the thirteenth centuries, just as the advent of Islam had united them in the first century. It awakened the Arab soul and presented it with the lofty ideal it loved."

These statements captured the imagination of the Arab youth who were enchanted with the magical prose style of Taha Husain (1889 - 1973). They were emancipated from both hate and hostility towards Wahhabism, that they had inherited from their elders. 'Abbas Mahmud al-'Aqqad, (1882 - 1964), Muhammad Abduh (d. 1905), Rashid Rida and Ahmad Amin rejected the prejudiced approach and regarded it as a great Islamic movement in the eighteenth century.

The impact of the movement reached beyond the confines of the Arabian Peninsula. The whole of the Islamic World, whether in Asia, Africa or Europe, was influenced by its reform movements. Al-‘Aqqad remarked that the Hajj pilgrims imported the revolutionary message to Iraq, Sudan, India and other distant parts of the world, such as China, Java, Indonesia and Africa. The African leaders, such as Ahmad Bello of Nigeria, killed in 1966 for his Islamic commitment and reform impulse, was influenced by the movement. The Shaikh can be bracketted along with Shah Wali-AllAh, Jamal ad-Din al-Afghani, and Syed Ahmad Shahid of Baraili.

European Colonialists and Wahhabism:
The movement of Tawhid (pure monotheism), launched by Muhammad-ibn-'Abd-al-Wahhab, was slandered and maligned by the Europeans as well. The very term "Wahhabism" or "Wahhabiya", coined by them had malicious designs. It intended to prove that the movement was nonconformist and was out of the pale of Islam. This forgery was hatched by the English, the Turks and the Egyptians. It was unfortunate to note that for the last two centuries, all resurgent or reformist movements initiated in the Muslim World, are being branded by the Orientalists as "Wahhabi Movement", in order to discourage the revival of Islam or Islamisation of the Muslim lands. The colonial powers were afraid of any kind of Islamic revival or of Jihad movement in Muslim lands colonised by them. They connected all Islamic reformist movements with Wahhabism. Since the Sanusi Jihad Movement of North Africa (al-Maghrib) had challenged the Italian colonialists and wanted to expel them from North Africa, the Italian Orientalists linked the Sanusi' movement with Wahhabism. Similarly, the English colonialists, being challenged by the Jihad Movement of Syed Ahmad Shahid, branded his Jihad movement as the replica of Wahhabism. The truth is that the latter was never influenced by the former. Logically speaking, the movement of Muhammad should have been called either "Muhammadis" or "Muhammadiyun" rather than “Wahhabiyun", related to the name of his father 'Abd-al-Wahhab.

The European Travellers And Writers On Wahhabism:
The Orientalists tried to confuse people about the founder of the movement. H.J. Bryges, in his "Wahhabiya", regarded 'Abd-al-Wahhab as the founder of the movement and W.W. Hunter declared 'Abd-Allah, the son of Muhammad, as his grandson (Hafid). The earliest traveller of Bedouin Arabia, Caresten Nie Bury, believed in Bryges' theory and wrote that Muhammad was opposed to the movement of his father. He wrote it in 1764 when Muhammad was alive and was leading his movement. He died twenty eight years later. A Christian clergy regarded the movement as a new religion. He asserted that Ibn-Taimiya, who proclaimed himself a Hanbali, was in fact a "Wahhabi”. Can there be a statement more ridiculous than this? This was either a gross ignorance or wilful distortion. How could ibn-Taimiya be a follower of the Wahhabi Movement which emerged four hundred years after his death? How could ibn-Taimiya then be regarded as a Wahhabi?

It is not certain as to who invented the term "Wahhabi” and when. It is, however, certain that the term was used during the lifetime of Muhammad. The term was used frequently during the First World War.

The travellers started mentioning the movement immediately after the death of Muhammad 'Ali Beg (1807) and N. Burkhardt (1814) who visited Arabia before and after the invasion of Dar'iya by Muhammad 'Ali of Egypt. The latter wrote his books in 1816, entitl ed: 'Notes on the Bedouins and the Wahhabis', 1831 and frequently used the term 'Wahhabi’ in Volume two. The famous Egyptian historian 'Abd-ar-Rahman al-Jabarti, who wrote his history in 1238, also referred to the term in his third volume.

Caresten Nie Bury, the first traveller of Arabia, who set out from Denmark in 1761 along with his companions and reached Yemen in 1762, has recorded some of his observations in his book 'Travels Through Arabia and other Countries in the East'. Since he could not visit Najd he had to depend on secondary sources for his information about Muhammad, which led him to erratic judgements. His work was translated by Robert Heren and published in Edinburgh in 1792. Harford Jone Bryges, an English governor of Basra (1784 - 1794) and of Baghdad (1797 - 1806), in his 'Brief History of the Wahhabys', has furnished some valuable information. But his accounts are also based on N. Burkhardt who visited Hijaz in 1814 and wrote 'Notes on the Bedoins and the Wahhabys', published in two volumes in 1829 and 1831 respectively. The work of Bryges, which appeared in London in 1834 was, therefore, not based on primary experience.

No account of the Shaikh and his movement, furnished by the Europeans, was fair and objective. Grifford Paigrave, in his 'Narrative of a Year's Journey through Central and Eastern Arabia' (1862 - 1863), has slandered Islam in general and Muhammad and his movement of Tawhid in Najd, in particular. G. Percy Bedger, in his 'Imaams and Syeds of Oman' (London 1871), and Ch. M. Doughty, in his 'Travels in Arabia Deserta' (1875), have mentioned nothing worthwhile. Wilfred Scawn Blint, who visited Najd in 1879, in his 'Future of Islam' (1882), made erratic and false statements. Zwemer's work 'Arabia the Cradle of Islam' is full of falsehood. It is he who forged the story of the demolition of the tomb of the Holy Prophet by King Sa'ud and flashed it in Europe. David George Hagarth, in his 'The Penetration of Arabia' (London 1904), and 'A History of Arabia', despite his accuracies, has made serious errors. H. St. J. Philby, in his 'Arabia', has covered the history of Najd, highlighting the mission of Muhammad. His work is mostly based on Arabic sources. D.S. Margoliouth, in his 'Wahhabiya and Wahhabies', has proved both his ignorance and antipathy against Islam. No different is W.W. Hunter, who in his 'The Indian Musalman' (1871) has shown his indignation against the Jihad movement of Syed Ahmad Shahid and has connected the Jihad movement with the Wahhabi movement. Andre Servier, in his 'Islam and Psychology of the Musalman' could not hide his hatred both against Islam and the mission of Muhammad. He regarded Islam as the greatest enemy of humanity. 'The Expansion of Islam', written by Wilson Cash, is a heap of falsehood. He scoffed at the movement of Muhammad. Richard Coke, who, in his 'The Arab's Place in the Sun', despite his sympathetic attitude to the movement, has relied on superstitions and forgeries. He could not make a distinction between 'Abd-Allah ibn-Sa'ud and Sa'ud ibn-'Abd-al-'Aziz. These are only few names among the primary and contemporary sources which contain some information regarding the Tawhid movement of Muhammad ibn-'Abd-al-Wahhab. Many works have appeared in recent decades which are worth studying.

The Muslim Writers:
Books written about Muhammad and his movement, by the Muslims merit brief mention here. Among the early Arab writers the noted ones are Shaikh 'Abd-al-Ghafur Attar, and Amin Sa'id. Among the writers of the Indo-Pak Subcontinent are Moulana Manzur Nu'mani and Moulana Mas'ud 'Alam Nadwiy. The latter's work, Muhammad ibn-Abd-al-Wahhab: Muslih, Mazlum and Muftara 'Alaih' (Arabic version Zamzam Press, 1977) is based on high scholarship and research. The author has exhausted all accessible material in Arabic, Urdu and Persian, in addition to European sources. Chapter one deals with the life and works of Muhammad while chapters two and three treat the rise of the Sa'ud family and the Turkish conquest of Hijaz and Najd respectively. The writings of Muhammad have been examined in the third chapter, while his Da 'wa and message have been analysed in the fourth chapter. The fifth chapter exposes the falsehood that were forged against Muhammad by pioneer forgers. The last chapter, being the critique of sources, is most significant. The author analyses his Arabic, Urdu and Persian, as well as the European sources objectively.

Writings Of Muhammad: A Critique Of His Critics:
Muhammad ibn-'Abd-al-Wahhab wrote many treatises (Risalat). Sixteen of them are extant now, while the others have been mentioned in his other works. The main treatise, being 'Kitab at- Tawhid’, served as the manifesto of his movement. He revitalised the concept of Tawhid in the light of the Qur'anic verses and the Ahadith. All other writings revolved around the same axis of Tawhid. The doctrinal, moral and ethical issues were discussed in the light of Tawhid. He also wrote commentaries of certain chapters of the Holy Qur’aan, the biography of the Holy Prophet and summarised the Sira of Ibn-Hisham and Zad-al-Ma’ad of Imaam Ibn-Qayyim.

Extravagance Of Accusations And Slanders And Mutilation Of Historical Facts:
Strange stories were forged by the opponents of the Shaikh. The pioneer of the movement was Sulaiman bin Muhammad bin Sahim (d. 1181) who, during the lifetime of Muhammad, launched the campaign of slander and accused him of demolishing the tomb of Zaid-ibn al-Khattab in Jahila, of the mosque adjacent to the grave, of burning books such as Dalaail Khairat and Rauda ar-Riyaahin and of condemning books such as Ibn-al-Farid and ibn-al-'Arabi as apostates. The truth is that the graves of Zaid and his companions, as aforesaid, were still unknown and the story of burning of the books is a blatant lie. The Shaikh, however, advised his followers not to read such books. With regard to the belief in sufi-Pantheism, he, being opposed to pantheistic ideas, cautioned his followers about the hazards of such beliefs.

Many scholars and Shaikhs joined the campaign of slander which was based on enmity and hatred, rather than on academic grounds. Shameless poems were written by Ibn-Firoze (d. 1801).

Muhammad ibn-'Abd-al-Wahhab, who purified and sanctified the concept of Tawhid and revived the Sunna of the Prophet, was also accused of laying claims to Prophethood and of denying the body corpus of Hadith. Shaikh Ahmad Zainil Wahlan was a deadly enemy of Muhammad and accused him of laying claims to Prophethood, although he could not declare it openly, due to public fear. These rumours were imported to the Indo-Pak Subcontinent. Moulvi Fadl Rasul Badayuni (d. 1822), spread the rumour about the denial of Hadith literature by the Wahhabis. 'Abd-Allah Yusuf 'Ali, the translator of the Holy Qur’aan, also believed in such fanciful rumours. It merely shows his ignorance about such an important Islamic movement. Even the Christian writers, such as Thomas Patrick Huges, who compared Wahhabism with the Protestants, confessed that the Wahhabis were the staunch followers of the Qur'aan and Sunna.

Another serious allegation was made that Muhammad considered Muslims, other than his own followers, as apostates and recommended their execution. Ibn-'Abdin ash-Shami (d. 1842), forged the story and he was joined by Ahmad Zaini Wahlan (d. 1886).These allegations were emphatically denied by Mubammad himself. It was unfortunate that a great scholar like Qadhi Muhammad ibn-'Ali Shawkani, without making a thorough investigation into the matter, supported such forged views. Similar confusion prevailed in the Indo-Pak Subcontinent when a scholar like Nawab Siddiq Hasan Khan (d. 1890), made conflicting remarks and statements about the movement, in his writings.

Some of the students of Muhammad took a hard line. Shaikh Ahmad ibn-Nasir ibn-'Uthman al-Mu'ammar (d. 1225 A.H.), a pupil of Muhammad, believed that the grave-worshippers and seekers of help from anyone other than Allah, were apostates. Similar views were held by Muhammad ibn-Ismail al-Aamir al-Yamani (d. 1182 A.H.), a contemporary supporter of Muhammad, although he softened his attitude later on.

The opposition movement reached its peak when it declared that Muhammad "kills people, robs them of their wealth and condemns Muslims as apostates". Some of the Indian scholars, such as Moulana Anwar Shah Kashmiri (d. 1933), also accused Muhammad of baseless charges, as mentioned above.

Allegations, such as undermining the Holy Prophet, free interpretation of the Qur’aan and the Sunna, denial of intercession of the Holy Prophet on the Day of Judgement, were emphatically refuted by both Muhammad and his son 'Abd-Allah. Among the forgeries, most shameful was the story that was concocted by the enemies about Sa'ud ibn-'Abd-al-Aziz ibn-Muhammad ibn-Saud (d. 1803). The enemies rumoured that King Sa'ud wanted to demolish the tomb of the Holy Prophet, but could not do so because of the lack of heavy instruments which could demolish such a solid building. This was a pure lie. Such stories were exploited by the colonialists and the Orientalists in order to incite Muslim sentiments against the movement. The Turkish government propagated that the Saudis had prohibited the Muslims from going for Hajj. One of the most amazing forgeries committed by Shaikh Badawi was when he wrote that portions of the Holy Qur'aan, deleted by Hadhrat 'Uthman the third Caliph from the main text of the Book, was still in possession of the Wahhabis.

Such lies, falsehood and slanders were broadcast and exploited by Western authors, in favour of the colonialists who were already trying to incite the colonized Muslims against the Wahhabi movement. They succeeded in doing so, especially in the Indo-Pak Subcontinent where they incited Muslims against the Jihad movement of Syed Ahmad Shahid, of which the prime targets were the English. They sowed the seed of incurable division, now being ploughed and harvested by their sympathisers - both the laity and the lettered."

You couldn't refute any of the statments that I gave in my earlier posts. You are just simply making new points and making your self look like an idiot. Just apologize so you don't ruin your refutation. You are acting like Sam Shamoun now. Lol.


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Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Saudi Press Admits: 9/11 was a False Flag
Post by: submit on May 30, 2016, 11:29:17 AM

We can obviously see that the tribe of Banu Tamim are know for being the strongest enemies of the dajjal and that they will stop falsehood. And this is exactly what Muhammad bin Abdulwahab did. Maybe if he didn't exist I might have been worshipping rocks right now.

I believe what you meant was worshipping rocks as intercessors or having quick way of getting wishes granted on earth.

the contribution of Wahhabism (stricter version of Hanbali sect) is obviously limited to certain area in Saudi. Not the entire Arab peninsular world. If certain part of Hijjaz  turned ignorant to religion. And based on the claim in the autobiography of Wahhab is true. Where he led the ignorant to repractise Islam. Then indeed he had done a good contribution.

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But it is interesting to note that when Wahhab-ism (new sect) meets Shia-ism (new sect) = non stop killings/warfare?
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Saudi Press Admits: 9/11 was a False Flag
Post by: QuranSearchCom on May 30, 2016, 03:15:19 PM
Abdullah Almadi,

You seem to be another rotten wahabi that needs the Royal Boot out of here.  Here are the reasons why:

1-  You dismiss the slavery that is done in your country to the foreigners.

2-  You dismiss that half of your nation are very poor (either on the poverty line or below), and half of them are below the poverty line.

3-  You give yourself so much honor in licking with your tongue the shoes of your Royal Masters and use Islam to legitimize them, just like your scum sheikhs do today as I exposed them in my previous post.  Again, like I said in the post above, Sheikh Uthaymeen commanded the Muslims to never go against the ruler even if he steals the wealth, and even if he drinks alcohol in Mecca in front of the Kaaba and even does lewdness there.  Here is a Youtube video with showing the quote from the book and the page:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hj-zeZpw084

Video on youtube is called: أخطر ما في مؤلفات شيخ الوهابية ابن العثيمين

Wahabism is a false religion of hypocrisy.  It dumbs down Islam and corrupts it.  As to the false hadith about the Prophet ordering the Muslims to follow the corrupt leaders, this is a fabricated lie on the Prophet.  Didn't he say that IF FATIMA (his daughter) STOLE SOMETHING, HE HIMSELF WOULD'VE CUT HER HAND?

Yet, your false Sheikh Uthaymeen vomited in the video that I gave above that even if the leader STEALS THE WEALTH AND CORRUPTS THE PEOPLE, AND EVEN IF HE DRINKS ALCOHOL IN FRONT OF THE KAABA and does lewdness in front of it, then he still remains the lawful leader upon the Muslims.

This false hadith that was brought up is one proof from many about how false many of the Quran-rejecting and Quran-contradicting false hadiths are.  The false hadith that was mentioned about following the false rulers belongs to the garbage.  For ample proofs, visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/warning.htm


4-  You spam and give load of garbage just to smother the posts.

5-  You disregarded that your rotten shiekhs give permission to the rulers to steal the wealth, and command the people to never reject them as their rulers.  This is all despite the fact that it all goes against Islam as I demonstrated above.



Najd is Iraq?

When Prophet Muhammad blessed Yemen and Sham and REFUSED to bless the Najd, his Sahaba asked him WHAT ABOUT OUR NAJD, O Messenger of Allah.  They asked him three times to bless it and he refused.  He then said that the Horn of Satan will come out from it.

Were the Sahabas Iraqis?  Or was the Prophet in Iraq?  What does OUR NAJD mean to you?  Even if it geographically included some parts of Iraq, it still doesn't disqualify Saudi Arabia.  And besides, Iraq was back then known as Iraq to all people.  So he could've easily said Iraq and not Najd.  Najd back then was in Saudi Arabia, and this is why they asked him to bless "OUR NAJD".

Spam this thread again with your crap to burry my posts that clearly expose your filthy cult and satan-following filthy sheikhs and I will give you the Royal Boot the hell out of here.  Your country's wealth was all stolen, at least 1/3 of your nation are illiterate, 1/2 of your nation on the poverty line and below it, your country is worth 100s and 100s of billions of dollars and should've been richer than all of Europe put together, yet, it is among the world's worst countries to live in, and you sit here and give yourself so much honor in licking with your tongue the royal shoes of your gods, who robbed your country dry and dumbed down Islam and corrupted it, and you want to use ISLAM to legitimize them?  Hypocrisy and lying are a creed to you.  You're not ignorant, because you intentionally ignored the points about allowing your gods to steal.

And dude, the article about Saudi Arabia is the 3rd country in happiness in the world, that was quite laughable, especially when the list of the countries that it was up against were as or worse.  China, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh,  Palestine, Nigeria??  Man, your government and its followers are truly mental cases!

As to your hadiths about Bani Tameem and the dajjal, all of these are weak and fabricated.  People invented all sorts of garbage and gossips on the Prophet's mouth.  What is Tameem today?  And the dajjal is a system, not a person:

www.answering-christianity.com/ac3.htm#prophecies

Osama Abdallah
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Saudi Press Admits: 9/11 was a False Flag
Post by: FARHAN_UDDIN on June 01, 2016, 04:53:38 PM
they r indeed the swines of the desert. i wonder where were those swines when israel kept on bombing gaza strip for 1 whole month . their days r almost over.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Saudi Press Admits: 9/11 was a False Flag
Post by: Saudi Salafi on June 01, 2016, 08:51:19 PM
Assalamu Aalaikum brother Osama,

 Sorry that I took too long to reply, I kinda felt lazy for a few days and had some work to do. Let's begin:

 I would first like to say that what you said about Muawiyah was wrong. "Yazeed (Muawiyah) is one of those whom we neither curse nor love." Read more over here: https://islamqa.info/en/14007

"1-  You dismiss the slavery that is done in your country to the foreigners."

Response:

 Sigh, it's like you don't even read my comments lol. Slavery is ILLEGAL in Saudi Arabia. There are some lies that are spread through the internet but the Saudi government has responded to them http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/saudi-arabia/saudis-deny-human-trafficking-allegations-1.249699

"2-  You dismiss that half of your nation are very poor (either on the poverty line or below), and half of them are below the poverty line."


Response: You give no proof to support your statments, just like Ahmad Farooq said. I already responded to this false allegation many times before. You should stop ignoring my comments:

" I am having a really hard time not calling you stupid TBH. No, the country'spoverty rate is extremely low. http://english.alarabiya.net/en/business/economy/2013/11/03/Kingdom-has-tenth-lowest-poverty-rate-worldwide-says-World-Bank.html
 You should also read about 2030 vision.

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/perspective/features/2016/04/26/Full-text-of-Saudi-Arabia-s-Vision-2030.html

And no Saudi Arabia doesn't have a 30% percent unemployment rate.  It is actually 5.5% and that number will go down drastically by 2030. And if you are gonna bring that up then look at this:

"Bernie Sanders says African-American youth unemployment is 51%, and 36% for Hispanics"
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/oct/13/bernie-s/debate-bernie-sanders-says-african-american-youth-/

"Nothing invested in the country and no real advancements made."

It's like you didn't read my previous posts. Just about 50 years ago, the country was just a poor desert and now we are one of the most wealthy countries in Asia and the middle east and we have the tenth lowest poverty rate. Again you should also read about the 2030 vision. The country also has donated more than 10 billion dollars to countries in Asia and Africa."

"3-  You give yourself so much honor in licking with your tongue the shoes of your Royal Masters and use Islam to legitimize them, just like your scum sheikhs do today as I exposed them in my previous post.  Again, like I said in the post above, Sheikh Uthaymeen commanded the Muslims to never go against the ruler even if he steals the wealth, and even if he drinks alcohol in Mecca in front of the Kaaba and even does lewdness there.  Here is a Youtube video with showing the quote from the book and the page"

No I do not "lick the shoes of my royal masters", I respect them and I am loyal to them, but I don't over love them. The only thing that you can do in this argument is just insult us. You constantly wine about the Islamophobia in the west, but you are racist to us the Saudis who contributed to this Ummah, kept the law of Allah, and protected and prayed for our Muslim brothers who are suffering (go back and read my post on king Faisal (May Allah have mercy on him). Regarding what Ibn Uthaymeen (May Allah have mercy on him) said: Ahmed Farooq already talked about this:

" I believe the Sheikh was using the narrations such as the following as support for his ruling:

Prophet Muhammad said, “There will be leaders after me who will demand their rights from you but will withhold your rights from you.” They said, “What do you command us then O Messenger of Allāh” He said, “Fulfil the rights you owe to them and supplicate to Allāh for your rights.” He also said, “Whoever amongst you sees from his ruler something (objectionable), let him have patience with him for whoever separates from the main body by a handspan has thrown the yoke of Islām from his neck.”

He also said, “Whoever departed from obedience and separated from the main body will have died a death of Jāhiliyyah (days of pre-Islāmic ignorance).”

He also said, “The best of your leaders are those whom you love and who love you, and whom you pray for and they pray for you. The worst of your rulers are the ones whom you hate and who hate you, and whom you curse and who curse you.” They said, “Shall we not fight them?” He said, “No, so long as they pray”.

All of these traditions are in the Ṣaḥīḥ (of al-Bukhārī) along with other traditions like them."

You will most likely declare that those hadiths are fabricated and false out of your hatred for Saudi Arabia, but maybe there is hope.


" false Sheikh Uthaymeen"

Why is he "false"? Because he made a mistake (I'm not sure if what he did was a mistake, I will ask a scholar about it later)? Because he devoted his entire life to teaching people about Islam? Because he was Saudi? Explain. Sheikh Uthaymeen (May Allah have mercy on him) was an amazing scholar, so how dare you insult him?


"4-  You spam and give load of garbage just to smother the posts."

Response:

 Unnecessary ad hominem, it just makes you look like a joke. Please stop it.


"5-  You disregarded that your rotten shiekhs give permission to the rulers to steal the wealth, and command the people to never reject them as their rulers.  This is all despite the fact that it all goes against Islam as I demonstrated above."

Response:

 But they never did, lol. Stop putting words into their mouths.


Regarding that hadith about Najd:


"ليس في لفظ الحديث ذم لأهل ( نجد ) وساكنيها ، وإنما فيه ذكر الفتن والشرور التي ستقع وتخرج منها ، ولا يعني ذلك ذمَّ الساكنين مطلقا"

So even if the hadith was referring to the Najd of Saudi Arabia, that doesn't mean that the people who come from it are bad. Read the entire fatwa before talking:  https://islamqa.info/ar/99569

All of the scholars and sahabas declared that the Najd in this hadith is the Najd of Iraq. Also, yes there were sahabas for Iraq. Just like there were sahabas from Ethiopia or Persia.

Now here comes the SAD part!  :-[ :'(

"As to your hadiths about Bani Tameem and the dajjal, all of these are weak and fabricated."

Response:

 This is just pathetic, lol. You can do better than this  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D OK, Mr.Hadith scholar, Osama Abdallah! Everything that you say is TRUE! But isn't it a little bit weird that those hadiths are Saheeh (authentic)? And is it weird that Ahmad bin Hanbal qouted this hadith to prove that Tamim are the strongest enemies of the Dajjal? from Musnad Ahmad ibn Hanbal:

"do not say of Bani Tameem anything but good, for indeed they are the severest of people in attacking the Dajjaal."


 I will inshallah continue later, I need to sleep.


May Allah guide you brother Osama.

Sincerely,

A proud royal desert monkey, Abdullah Madi Abdullah Al-Madi Al-Tamimi (Saudi Arabia, Riyadh)




 
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Saudi Press Admits: 9/11 was a False Flag
Post by: Saudi Salafi on June 01, 2016, 08:55:22 PM
 I would also like to add that MOST scholars come from Saudi Arabia and that almost ALL authentic scholars (such as Ibn Baz) come from Saudi Arabia. So by calling our sheikhs "rotten" is like calling most sheikhs rotten. Repent brother it's not too late.


@FARHAN_UDDIN

 Hi, nice to meet you ;D I'm also a desert swine  ;D As for your attack on Saudi Arabia, I refuted that somewhere above.

Sincerely,

A proud royal desert monkey, Abdullah Madi Abdullah Al-Madi Al-Tamimi (Saudi Arabia, Riyadh)
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Saudi Press Admits: 9/11 was a False Flag
Post by: submit on June 01, 2016, 09:07:32 PM
one thing its pretty clear if there are evil rulers (caliphate-successor system / monarchy system / democratic system) .  Civilians should not do an uprising against the evil ruler by waging war, uprising is at best by verbal advices.

The reason being civilians/citizens has no right to carry out penal laws and they can easily transform into transgressors on earth after having weapons in their hands. E.g. ISIS. Al-Qaeda
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Saudi Press Admits: 9/11 was a False Flag
Post by: FARHAN_UDDIN on June 02, 2016, 04:06:16 AM
We r not addressing the scholars as swines as long as they seem to be logical. there r many good people in  Saudi Arabia who truly practice Islam. But unfortunately they r powerless coz of these insane hypocrite pigs. Their days r almost over!

An example of hypocrisy of the swines of the desert
(https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wimduzijn.nl%2Fmideast%2Fsaddam34.htm&psig=AFQjCNGogkc-UvA_89dpi3CH645PdL1Cng&ust=1464944755655635)
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Saudi Press Admits: 9/11 was a False Flag
Post by: QuranSearchCom on June 03, 2016, 09:08:45 AM
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one thing its pretty clear if there are evil rulers (caliphate-successor system / monarchy system / democratic system) .  Civilians should not do an uprising against the evil ruler by waging war, uprising is at best by verbal advices.

The reason being civilians/citizens has no right to carry out penal laws and they can easily transform into transgressors on earth after having weapons in their hands. E.g. ISIS. Al-Qaeda

And what if the rulers do not step down?  Then what?  Certainly use of force and an uprising would be Islamically Lawful.  After all, the party that is in the wrong is the party to be fought from the Muslims, according to the Glorious Quran:

[049:009]  If peace breaks down between two groups of believers, and they begin to fight, (call a truce and) bring them to terms. If one of the groups is the transgressor, (all of you should) fight the group that is unjust, until it complies and returns to the commands of Allah. Once that happens, make peace between the groups fairly and equitably. Indeed Allah loves those who are just.

[049:010]  (All) the believers are brothers. Therefore, promote peace and conciliation between two brothers; and fear Allah. Perhaps you may receive mercy.

Also, in regards to kings and dictators, their rule is un-Islamic.  I have already provided the clear proofs from the Glorious Quran in the previous posts.  The following Noble Verse sheds more light on this;

[042:038]  (It is for those) who respond to the call of their Lord and establish the ‘salat’. They run their affairs (امرهم) by mutual consultation, and spend (for Our sake) out of what We have granted them.

‏42:38 والذين استجابوا لربهم واقاموا الصلاة وامرهم شورى بينهم ومما رزقناهم ينفقون 

امر (amr) is where AMEER (ruler) and IMAARAH (rulership) are derived from.  Notice how Allah Almighty Commanded the Muslims to deal with their امر (amr) in "mutual consultation", which means that you can't impose something on the people.  Everything has to go through voting and be decided after the choice of the majority.

Dictators and kings don't follow this principal.  In Saudi Arabia, they choose a king and pretend that the people gave him allegiance.  In fact, the people have no say at all over this.  It is one family that took over the entire country and even changed its name to their family name.

Dictatorships, which include monarchies, are against Islam.  This is why the 4 Caliphs never appointed any of their sons to rule after them.  I have already thoroughly explained this in the previous posts on this thread.

Wahabism is a lie.  It is a false religion for the hypocrites, and it is the horn of satan, as Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, described it:

www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,2087.msg9018.html#msg9018



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I would also like to add that MOST scholars come from Saudi Arabia and that almost ALL authentic scholars (such as Ibn Baz) come from Saudi Arabia. So by calling our sheikhs "rotten" is like calling most sheikhs rotten. Repent brother it's not too late.

When your rotten sheikhs order the people to still follow the rulers even if they steal, and even if they drink alcohol in Mecca in front of the Kaaba, and even if they do lewdness there, then it is clear to me that Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, was indeed right about calling you The Horn of Satan.

To the reader, all of the proofs for this are in my previous posts (http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,2087.msg9018.html#msg9018) in this thread.

As to Saudi Arabia's poverty, you should stop reading your false Saudi sources and read the international ones.  This link should help you read many articles on how dire the situation is in your country:

www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=population+below+poverty+line+in+saudi+arabia

Like that ludicrous link that you gave me about Saudi Arabia is the 3rd happiest country in the world.  What a complete joke you and your hypocrites are.  Of course, this lie of yours was also exposed in my previous replies (http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,2087.msg9018.html#msg9018) to you this thread.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Saudi Press Admits: 9/11 was a False Flag
Post by: QuranSearchCom on June 03, 2016, 09:38:35 AM
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"5-  You disregarded that your rotten shiekhs give permission to the rulers to steal the wealth, and command the people to never reject them as their rulers.  This is all despite the fact that it all goes against Islam as I demonstrated above."

Response:

 But they never did, lol. Stop putting words into their mouths.

Abdullah Almadi,

If you do not directly respond to the following link which I already gave you before in my previous replies, then I will ban you.  I have zero tolerance for liars and hypocrites.


Here is what I gave you before:

Sheikh Uthaymeen commanded the Muslims to never go against the ruler even if he steals the wealth, and even if he drinks alcohol in Mecca in front of the Kaaba and even does lewdness there.  Here is a Youtube video with showing the quote from the book and the page:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hj-zeZpw084

Video on youtube is called: أخطر ما في مؤلفات شيخ الوهابية ابن العثيمين

Wahabism is a false religion of hypocrisy.  It dumbs down Islam and corrupts it.  As to the false hadith about the Prophet ordering the Muslims to follow the corrupt leaders, this is a fabricated lie on the Prophet.  Didn't he say that IF FATIMA (his daughter) STOLE SOMETHING, HE HIMSELF WOULD'VE CUT HER HAND?

Yet, your false Sheikh Uthaymeen vomited in the video that I gave above that even if the leader STEALS THE WEALTH AND CORRUPTS THE PEOPLE, AND EVEN IF HE DRINKS ALCOHOL IN FRONT OF THE KAABA and does lewdness in front of it, then he still remains the lawful leader upon the Muslims.

Osama Abdallah
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Saudi Press Admits: 9/11 was a False Flag
Post by: QuranSearchCom on June 03, 2016, 09:56:10 AM
I don't get why you insist on compromising everything that is True and Genuine, and dance around like a monkey defending corrupt rulers and thieves who stole 100s and 100s of BILLIONS of dollars from the wealth of your country.

All of them are princes.  And every single one of them has billions and billions of dollars in his bank account.  Was the Saud family this filthy rich before they took over?  Were they even the richest family in your country??  Most of your country's wealth today is in their bank accounts.  Almost the whole country is no more than a private piece of land that they own.  Everything is owned and controlled by them.  This is Islam to you?

People like you are just amazing!

Osama Abdallah
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Saudi Press Admits: 9/11 was a False Flag
Post by: FARHAN_UDDIN on June 03, 2016, 10:04:26 AM
The secret offshore dealings of leaders of Saudi Arabia, Qatar, United Arab Emirates and Iraq have been exposed in huge leak of 11.5 million tax documents from Panamanian offshore law firm Mossack Fonseca.

An investigation into the documents by more than 100 media groups, described as one of the largest such probes in history, revealed on Sunday hidden offshore dealings in the assets of about 140 political figures - including 12 current or former heads of states.

The vast stash of records was obtained from an anonymous source by German daily Sueddeutsche Zeitung and shared with media worldwide by the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists (ICIJ).

Among 12 heads of state mentioned in the leak were King Salman of Saudi Arabia, former prime minister of Jordan Ali Abu al-Ragab, and two Qatari leaders - former prime minister Hamad bin Jassim bin Jaber Al Thani and Qatar's former emir Sheikh Hamad bin Khalifa Al Thani. Also featured were the president of the UAE, Sheikh Khalifa bin Zayed bin Sultan al-Nahyan, former president of Sudan Ahmad Ali al-Mirghani, and Ayad Allawi, ex-interim prime minister and former vice-president of Iraq.

The data contains secret offshore companies linked to the families and associates of Egypt's former president Hosni Mubarak, Libya's former leader Muammar Gaddafi and Syria's President Bashar al-Assad as well.


If any rotten piece of [censored] still thinks that they r eligible to represent the Ummah and legitimates their corruption and misdeeds, i really have nothing to say.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Saudi Press Admits: 9/11 was a False Flag
Post by: FARHAN_UDDIN on June 03, 2016, 10:05:58 AM
The secret offshore dealings of leaders of Saudi Arabia, Qatar, United Arab Emirates and Iraq have been exposed in huge leak of 11.5 million tax documents from Panamanian offshore law firm Mossack Fonseca.

An investigation into the documents by more than 100 media groups, described as one of the largest such probes in history, revealed on Sunday hidden offshore dealings in the assets of about 140 political figures - including 12 current or former heads of states.

The vast stash of records was obtained from an anonymous source by German daily Sueddeutsche Zeitung and shared with media worldwide by the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists (ICIJ).

Among 12 heads of state mentioned in the leak were King Salman of Saudi Arabia, former prime minister of Jordan Ali Abu al-Ragab, and two Qatari leaders - former prime minister Hamad bin Jassim bin Jaber Al Thani and Qatar's former emir Sheikh Hamad bin Khalifa Al Thani. Also featured were the president of the UAE, Sheikh Khalifa bin Zayed bin Sultan al-Nahyan, former president of Sudan Ahmad Ali al-Mirghani, and Ayad Allawi, ex-interim prime minister and former vice-president of Iraq.

The data contains secret offshore companies linked to the families and associates of Egypt's former president Hosni Mubarak, Libya's former leader Muammar Gaddafi and Syria's President Bashar al-Assad as well.


If any monkey still thinks that they r eligible to represent the Ummah and legitimates their corruption and misdeeds, i really have nothing to say.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Saudi Press Admits: 9/11 was a False Flag
Post by: FARHAN_UDDIN on June 03, 2016, 12:02:17 PM
e described a world of "sex, drugs and alcohol" in which the official religious individuals of Saudi Arabian loyalties engage in, according diplomatic cables recently published by Wikileaks on Wednesday.

According to the leaked dispatches, officials from the Jeddah consulate detailed an underground Halloween party in which alcohol and prostitutes were readily available. The party, attended by over 150 Saudi men and women mostly in their twenties and thirties, was organized by a member of the Saudi royalty, a wealthy prince from the Al Thunayan family.

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The party was held in a heavily secured villa and some of the funding was contributed by a US energy drink. The diplomat recommended the prince's identity remain secret.




The dispatch was signed off by Martin Quinn, the consul in Jeddah.

"Alcohol, though strictly prohibited by Saudi law and custom, was plentiful at the party's well-stocked bar," explained the cable. "The hired Filipino bartenders served a cocktail punch using sadiqi, a locally-made "moonshine". It was also learned through word-of-mouth that a number of the guests were in fact 'working girls', not uncommon for such parties."

Click here for full Jpost coverage of the latest Wikileaks



American party attendees added that, "Though not witnessed directly at this event, cocaine and hashish use is common in these social circles."

Secret, underground parties protected by Saudi royalty and accessible only to the wealthy, were described as "thriving and throbbing" in the dispatch.

"The scene resembled a nightclub anywhere outside the Kingdom: plentiful alcohol, young couples dancing, a DJ at the turntables, and everyone in costume," the dispatch continued.

"Over the past few years, the increased conservatism of Saudi Arabia’s external society has pushed the nightlife and party scene in Jeddah even further underground," a prominent Saudi was quoted in the dispatch as saying.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Saudi Press Admits: 9/11 was a False Flag
Post by: QuranSearchCom on June 20, 2016, 02:32:24 PM
As'salamu Alaikum Everyone,

The following link shows how Saudi Arabia's government today:

1-  Placed satan's obelisk on Mouth Arafat.

2-  How they designed the container of the remaining black stone pieces to look like a woman's vagina:

www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php?topic=2131.msg9232#msg9232

Also, for ample more details, visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/dajjal.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/666.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/666.htm#zionist_us_and_saudi
www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm

Take care,
Osama Abdallah
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Saudi Press Admits: 9/11 was a False Flag
Post by: Saudi Salafi on June 20, 2016, 11:58:02 PM
 Assalamu alaikum brothers,

 I will insha Allah continue the debate after or in the end of Ramadan. Every single point that our professional hadith scholar (Osama Abdallah) has made will be refuted.

Sincerely,

A proud royal desert monkey, Abdullah Madi Abdullah Al-Madi Al-Tamimi (Saudi Arabia, Riyadh)

Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Saudi Press Admits: 9/11 was a False Flag
Post by: adilriaz123 on June 21, 2016, 01:42:39 AM
Sometimes u dont need to go far to know the truth. 9/11 was indee a false flag but it was much more than just that. A month before the event, larry silverstein the leaser of the twin towers was at court and was being sued because twin towers was infested with asbestos. The repairs required would cost him billions. He instead with support of the zionist communities and israeli mossad created a plan where they would destroy the tower blame it on muslims and larry would also get away with claiming insurance claim of 4billion. I have 2 sources that confirm the truth the absolute truth regards to 9/11. Also another point to make marvin bush was owner of the security company of twin towers, Securicon. Bush family worked with the mossad and zionist americans to pull the biggest lie in history.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e8__64mFVes

https://www.darkmoon.me/2014/11-shocking-truth-laid-bare/
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Saudi Press Admits: 9/11 was a False Flag
Post by: submit on June 21, 2016, 08:43:40 AM
The following link shows how Saudi Arabia's government today:

1-  Placed satan's obelisk on Mouth Arafat.


(http://www.newislamicdirections.com/images/uploads/Screen_Shot_2016-04-09_at_11.51_.43_PM_.png)(http://www.islambosna.ba/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/16.jpg)
(http://inapcache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/hajj2010_11_15/h22_25946431.jpg)

There is no harm putting an obelisk on top of mountain. As 130 years ago, there are other structures on top of mountain e.g possibly watchtower/obelisk. And if there is harm onto faith, then the Wahhabis will be the first to riot about it as they are the strictest practitioner of hadith.

There's a rumour that Wahhabis wanted to demolish the graveyard of Prophet and companions and relocate their bodies to some other location as they interpret hadith strictly on not having grave as mosque. They were stopped by Turkey somehow. This might just be a myth , unsure if its hold any truth.

As for innovating new structures like extending walls  and making double storey tawaf routes. These actions do not put harm on faith.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Saudi Press Admits: 9/11 was a False Flag
Post by: adilriaz123 on June 21, 2016, 11:29:36 AM
I dont believe that wahabbis wanting to demolish prophet muhammad pbuh grave was a myth. But that doesn't show there devout but rather radical and extreme. Also that would actually would be crime against prophet muhammad pbuh, because that would be defiling his grave.

Also during time of prophet mubammad pbuh there was no other sect there was only islam, which is sunni because of following the sunnah of peophet myhammad pbuh. Also prophet muhammad pbuh warned us of deviant sects that will rise as we first noticed the shias and sufis, now 18th century the salafis. These were not the islam that prophet muhammad pbuh taught.

Also take a look at mr. Hemphers memoir to know how the christain british imperialist and zionists contributed in destruction of ottomans and creation of salafism
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Saudi Press Admits: 9/11 was a False Flag
Post by: QuranSearchCom on June 22, 2016, 08:35:34 AM
Satan's obelisk is an insult to Islam to be on Mount Arafat.  It is a symbol of satan, and the original pillar was an obelisk that the Muslims throw stones against during Hajj to curse satan.

Also, the example about the people during the Ottomans' Empire 130 years ago used it is not valid.  The Ottoman empire was Islamically in decline during its final years.  Plus, their opinion is not Islam.  It only remains a point of view and/or opinion.

The bottom line is that there are so many suspicious things happening in Saudi Arabia, from Zionist symbols on an official level, to stealing the wealth, to putting satan's symbol as holy symbol, to making the container of the black stone pieces to look like a vagina. 

Again, Prophet Muhammad said that the Horn of Satan will come from Saudi Arabia.  See the proof above.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Saudi Press Admits: 9/11 was a False Flag
Post by: QuranSearchCom on June 22, 2016, 12:33:33 PM
In case I didn't make my point clear enough, there is no reason for the rulers of Saudi Arabia today to put an obelisk on Mount Arafat, and also shield the obelisk that the Muslims throw stones against, with a big wall.

The obelisk is a symbol of satan.  No reason for it to become an Islamic symbol.  And no reason to make the container of the remaining pieces of the black stone to look like a woman's vagina.  But because the rulers of Saudi Arabia are Zionists, this has become the case.  Again, visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/dajjal.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/666.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/666.htm#zionist_us_and_saudi
www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php?topic=2131.msg9232#msg9232

And the Wahabis are not the strictest of the Muslims that they wouldn't allow for Islam to be compromised or insulted.  They are the most coward and hypocrites when it comes to following corrupt rulers.  Their sheikhs even command them to be like this, even if the rulers steal the wealth, or do sins in Mecca and in front of the Kaba.  The wahabies are commanded by their sheikhs to follow the rulers even if they're completely corrupt, and even if they cross Islam by committing zina and drink alcohol right in front of the Kaaba in Mecca.  That is clear and indefensible hypocrisy from this cult.  The fact that they have to go out of there way to justify corrupt rulers goes against everything the Quran teaches. Start reading from here:

www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php?topic=2087.msg9018#msg9018

Take care,
Osama Abdallah
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Saudi Press Admits: 9/11 was a False Flag
Post by: Islam1st on June 23, 2016, 11:19:47 PM
Brother Osama, i just read this post, and you seem very critical about Wahabism. I understand, that Saudia Arabia is very corrupt, but do not criticise the scholars based on the corruption of the government. It is like the time when mongolia seized Bagdad, and were victorious. Bagdad previously flourished, and the earlier people were very pious, but just before their demise, the people did bad things such as listen to music, and the ruler himself, when he walked on the streets, his face was covered, because he thought that the people weren't worthy enough to look at his face. But the scholars warned them, but the people and the ruler did nothing. The scholars weren't wrong, they were not to blame.

Rebellion in Islam is highly discouraged. You should not rebel except if they commit open Kufr. You give them your rights, and Allah will give you your rights. And in a hadith:

يَكُونُ بَعْدِي أَئِمَّةٌ لاَ يَهْتَدُونَ بِهُدَايَ، وَلاَ يَسْتَنُّونَ بِسُنَّتِي، وَسَيَقُومُ فِيهِمْ رِجَالٌ قُلُوبُهُمْ قُلُوبُ الشَّيَاطِينِ فِي جُثْمَانِ إنْسٍ".
قَالَ: قُلْتُ: كَيْفَ أَصْنَعُ؟ يَا رَسُولَ اللهِ إِنْ أَدْرَكْتُ ذَلِكَ؟ قَالَ: “تَسْمَعُ وَتُطِيعُ لِلأَمِيرِ، وَإِنْ ضُرِبَ ظَهْرُكَ، وَأُخِذَ مَالُكَ، فَاسْمَعْ وَأَطعْ

Hudhayfa bin al-Yaman narrated a hadith in which he said:

The Prophet said, “there will be after me leaders who do not follow my guidance and do not follow my Sunnah, and there will be among them men whose hearts are like those of Satan in the body of a human being.” And I asked the Prophet , “What I should do at that time if I reach it?” He said, “listen and obey the ruler, even if he lashed your back and took your money, listen and obey."

This shows rebellion in Islam is very bad. And furthermore the priniciple of Fiqh that provs against it is that an evil is not to be warded off by a greater evil
And Allah knows best.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Saudi Press Admits: 9/11 was a False Flag
Post by: QuranSearchCom on June 24, 2016, 12:42:38 AM
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Hudhayfa bin al-Yaman narrated a hadith in which he said:

The Prophet said, “there will be after me leaders who do not follow my guidance and do not follow my Sunnah, and there will be among them men whose hearts are like those of Satan in the body of a human being.” And I asked the Prophet , “What I should do at that time if I reach it?” He said, “listen and obey the ruler, even if he lashed your back and took your money, listen and obey."

This is a garbage and fabricated hadith that belongs to the garbage.  They were fabricated to justify Muawiyah and others' corruptions.  It goes against everything the Quran stands for, AND WHAT ALLAH ALMIGHTY DIRECTLY COMMANDS YOU IN THE QURAN.  I have already proven this from the Glorious Quran and also from the Hadiths.  Visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php?topic=2087.msg9018#msg9018

Stop parroting this garbage.  Everything that clashes with the Glorious Quran belongs to the garbage.  Islam does not command you to be a coward and accept corruption and abuse, even if it means that you get flogged and his thugs steal your money?  Why man??  From which dumpster do you learn your Islam from??

And what if he rapes your daughters and wife and mother right in front of you?  Would he still remain your ruler??

Some Muslim dictators have done and still do it today.  Saddam, Bashar, Gathafi, Egypt, Jordan rape prisoners and also their women, and many other examples!  Saudi Arabia also rapes prisoners.  Human rights had exposed them on this before.

I am not trying to be rude here or be inappropriate.  I am asking you a very legitimate question, and you must answer it.  Indeed, Allah Almighty's Promise is coming to pass.  The Prophet will say that his people have taken the Quran for nothing:

 ‏25:30 وقال الرسول يارب ان قومي اتخذوا هذا القران مهجورا

[025:030]  And the Messenger will say, `O my Lord, my people indeed treated this Qur'an as a thing to be discarded.'

Wahabism today is THE HORN OF SATAN that Prophet Muhammad prophesied about, which he said will come from Saudi Arabia (the land of NAJD)!  Visit the link above.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Saudi Press Admits: 9/11 was a False Flag
Post by: Islam1st on June 24, 2016, 07:51:52 AM
As far as i know, that hadith is Saheeh, i will get back to you when i find a reference. Also can i Ask you, what sect of Islam do you follow, if you follow any? Why do you hate Mua'wiya, he may have made some mistakes, but he is still a Sahabi of the Prophet (SAW.)

“And the foremost to embrace Islam of the Muhaajiroon and the Ansaar and also those who followed them exactly (in Faith). Allaah is well-pleased with them as they are well-pleased with Him. He has prepared for them Gardens under which rivers flow (Paradise), to dwell therein forever. That is the supreme success”

[al-Tawbah 9:100]

If in the Quran it says that ALLAH ALL MIGHTY is pleased with them, then who are YOU to say otherwise?

Imam Ahmad said: If you see a man mentioning one of the companions of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) in a bad way, then call his Islam into question.

So, why do you hate the sahabi? where did you learn YOUR Islam from, I see you have good intentions, but do not let them make you go astray. You will not capture the hearts by the way you communicate, do not harshly criticise, i see you do that even on your website to the orientalists.
"And the servants of the Most Merciful are those who walk upon the earth easily, and when the ignorant address them [harshly], they say [words of] peace,"
[The Noble Quran 25:63]
But if that is to an IGNORANT person, then what about to your fellow Muslim???? We are having an argument/debate here, why the harsh words?

You say that the place I learnt Islam from was from a dumpster. I learn it from a Sheikh, why do you hate sheikhs?

You have not given evidence for your claim about that THE HORN OF SATAN thing.

If he rapes my kin in front of me, and i had the power to stop him, then yes i will stop him. But if i didn't have the power, or if i were to stop him, but it would cause even more harm, then i will not.
But regardless, I will try my best, with Allah's will, to not stray from the Jama'

And Allah knows best.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Saudi Press Admits: 9/11 was a False Flag
Post by: QuranSearchCom on July 01, 2016, 04:57:26 PM
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If he rapes my kin in front of me, and i had the power to stop him, then yes i will stop him. But if i didn't have the power, or if i were to stop him, but it would cause even more harm, then i will not.
But regardless, I will try my best, with Allah's will, to not stray from the Jama'

What a shame!  However, I am glad that I extracted from your mouth what exposes your false cult of prostitutes, cowards and homosexuals to be nothing but frauds.

So if they rape your little girls, and take their virginities, and if they rape and sodomize your wife and mother and sister right in front of you, then according to you, "but (if) it would cause even more harm, then i will not".

As to Muawiyah, he was not a close companion to the Prophet.  And he fought HIS CALIPH, ALI, and he caused for the Muslims to be divided, and he caused for thousands of Muslims to be killed and maimed, and he corrupted the entire Islamic Ruling System.  I say Muawiyah is a cursed hypocrite.

As to the false hadith that you quoted that supposedly allows you to watch your females all get raped right in front of you, let me destroy it for you from the Glorious Quran Itself:

[004:059]  Oh you who believe! Obey Allah, obey the messenger, and (obey) those who occupy a position of authority among you. Then, should there arise a dispute among you concerning anything, refer it to Allah and the messenger _ if you (really) believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is much better and will (prove to) be the best outcome.

Here are a few points for you and your satanic cult:

1-  The Believers are to obey Allah, the Prophet, and those who have authority over them from government and elders.

2-  If a dispute happens between you and any one from those who have authority over you, then what does Allah Almighty Say?

"....Then, should there arise a dispute among you concerning anything, refer it to Allah and the messenger...."

3-  So if your ruler wanted to rape your daughters right in front of you, you don't just say we hear and obey.  You take it back to what Allah Almighty and the Prophet Said.  And in the link that I gave you earlier, Allah Almighty Commanded you to stand up for Truth and Justice, and to be a Genuine Witness to Allah Almighty against anyone and everyone.  That is straight out of the Glorious Quran!



No absolute authority:

4-  Your ruler does not have absolute authority over you as your cult of sodomized homosexuals and prostitutes teaches you.  Visit the link below in the next section.  Also, visit the following link to read more from the Glorious Quran and Hadiths:

www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php?topic=2087.msg9018#msg9018




Half of Saudi Arabia's men had sodomy:

So, go repent.  Disown this cult of prostitutes and homosexuals that you belong to (they even say that half of Saudi men have experienced sodomy before), and flush the satanic cult down the toilet:

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=homosexuality+in+saudi+arabia+statistics

Their modern-day Islam is false.  The horn of satan will come from them and their false islam.  I advise you to leave it.  It is a satanic cult that is hell bent on turning the people into slaves for corrupt rulers.  They turned Islam into a zionist tool to control the masses and steer them in evil directions.  So much emphasis on how to make you a slave to the ruler, and how the ruler has absolute authority over you.  They also turned your Hajj into worshiping a woman's vagina, and glorifying satan's obelisk pillar right on Mount Arafat.  Visit the links above.

The True Islam that you asked me, which one I belong to, is the one that Allah Almighty defined in the Glorious Quran:

[002:143]  Thus We have appointed you a middle nation, that ye may be witnesses against mankind, and that the messenger may be a witness against you. And We appointed the qiblah which ye formerly observed only that We might know him who followeth the messenger, from him who turneth on his heels. In truth it was a hard (test) save for those whom Allah guided. But it was not Allah's purpose that your faith should be in vain, for Allah is Full of Pity, Merciful toward mankind.

The Holy Quran is my Guide, and the Hadiths that the Glorious Quran does not reject are closest to the Truth, but not absolute Truth.  There is still room for corruption in them, especially the singular ones among them.  The Mutwatir ones, ones that are narrated by many and exist in several volumes, have a lot more authenticity to them than the singular ones that don't have much verification to them.

For ample more proofs, visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/warning.htm




The Glorious Quran's Moral Code:

There is so much Moral Code in the Glorious Quran that your satanic cult doesn't teach you:

www.answering-christianity.com/quran_moral_code.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/ac22.htm#links

Insha'Allah, I will never be among the following people for as long as I live.  Those, whom Allah Almighty's Promise is coming to pass regarding them.  The Prophet will say that his people have taken the Quran for nothing:

 ‏25:30 وقال الرسول يارب ان قومي اتخذوا هذا القران مهجورا

[025:030]  And the messenger will say, “My Lord, truly my people had forsaken this Qur’an.”

Wahabism today is THE HORN OF SATAN that Prophet Muhammad prophesied about, which he said will come from Saudi Arabia (the land of NAJD)!  Visit the links that I gave in the previous posts above.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Saudi Press Admits: 9/11 was a False Flag
Post by: submit on July 02, 2016, 04:45:51 AM
To say Wahabi worship vagina shape metal and obelisk on mount arafat needs a concrete proof/image/video of them reciting or invoking those materials to be worthy of worship.

Or else people will only laugh at such statement/accusation.

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But one thing that is clear that Wahabi/USA and Shia/Russia are the cause of conflicts in Middle East. As they thrive to protect their political/economical presence.

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As now we are living in end of times which rely on usury to produce wealth and steer a nation to success thru many means of ruling concepts.
One certainly can't be placing high hope of a righteous Ruler to emerge in the end of times. 
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Saudi Press Admits: 9/11 was a False Flag
Post by: adilriaz123 on July 03, 2016, 01:06:43 PM
So far all the wars that bush adminstration and the zionists hve caused are war of lies. I recently watched a video on sadam hussein which the bush adminstration tried to paint as a dictator but he did not sound like a dictator at all infact he even had even recited the shahada when he was being killed by the Shia terrorists
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Saudi Press Admits: 9/11 was a False Flag
Post by: Saudi Salafi on July 03, 2016, 02:02:07 PM
 Let us end the conversation already. I will make anot her thread so we can discuss this and I will refute EVERY single point that Osama has made.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Saudi Press Admits: 9/11 was a False Flag
Post by: QuranSearchCom on July 03, 2016, 06:37:12 PM
Nothing stops here.  Many legitimate points had been put forth and still remain unanswered.  You don't determine when a conversation ends.

Osama
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Saudi Press Admits: 9/11 was a False Flag
Post by: submit on July 04, 2016, 09:39:10 PM
Was it Wahabi or  Modern 'Salafist' that give ruling-permission to do suicide bombing?  Any source of when was it permitted? Reasons that it is permitted.

Was it due to inferiority of the armies of Modern Salafist against Western armies that they are allowed to suicide bomb themselves.