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Title: jinn
Post by: pascoe on April 11, 2017, 12:25:04 AM
Assalam alikum there are some non muslims saying a scientific error but I don't know how to reply they say in verse 27:39-40 that the jinn could get the throne in a twinkle of an eye and before prophet solaman could get up so they say that the jinn can travel faster than light so if they can travel faster than light how would a gamma ray catch them when that is the speed of light but they can travel faster than that

The verses are 27:39-40 A powerful one from among the jinn said, "I will bring it to you before you rise from your place, and indeed, I am for this [task] strong and trustworthy."

Said one who had knowledge from the Scripture, "I will bring it to you before your glance returns to you." And when [Solomon] saw it placed before him, he said, "This is from the favor of my Lord to test me whether I will be grateful or ungrateful. And whoever is grateful - his gratitude is only for [the benefit of] himself. And whoever is ungrateful - then indeed, my Lord is Free of need and Generous."
Title: Re: jinn
Post by: pascoe on April 26, 2017, 11:30:24 AM
Any thoughts sorry
Title: Re: jinn
Post by: pascoe on April 26, 2017, 11:58:11 AM
Because they also say that if they are slower than light that would mean it would take thousands of years to reach the stars if you know what I mean so how do we explain this jazzakallah
Title: Re: jinn
Post by: pascoe on April 26, 2017, 04:34:23 PM
Also they say there are large gaps between the the stars so the jinn could dodge in between them so the gamma ray couldn't get to them in time because the jinn are faster and could go into those spaces and dodge so how do we explain this jazzakallah
Title: Re: jinn
Post by: Dawud on April 26, 2017, 05:30:34 PM
Assalam alikum there are some non muslims saying a scientific error but I don't know how to reply they say in verse 27:39-40 that the jinn could get the throne in a twinkle of an eye and before prophet solaman could get up so they say that the jinn can travel faster than light so if they can travel faster than light how would a gamma ray catch them when that is the speed of light but they can travel faster than that

The verses are 27:39-40 A powerful one from among the jinn said, "I will bring it to you before you rise from your place, and indeed, I am for this [task] strong and trustworthy."

Said one who had knowledge from the Scripture, "I will bring it to you before your glance returns to you." And when [Solomon] saw it placed before him, he said, "This is from the favor of my Lord to test me whether I will be grateful or ungrateful. And whoever is grateful - his gratitude is only for [the benefit of] himself. And whoever is ungrateful - then indeed, my Lord is Free of need and Generous."

that is teleportation of the matter

what does science say about teleportation?

Human teleportation IS possible and your great GRAND CHILDREN will do it, claims scientist
http://www.express.co.uk/news/science/602529/Human-teleportation-is-possible-and-your-great-GRANDCHILDREN-will-do-it-claims-scientist

Scientists say human teleportation is 'possible' as they transfer atoms three metres in groundbreaking experiment
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2643332/Beam-Scientists-sat-teleportation-possible-transfer-atoms.html
Title: Re: jinn
Post by: pascoe on April 26, 2017, 06:47:20 PM
So how does that answer about jinns dodging gamma rays and being faster than them and going in between them and if they go slower it would take hundreds of years to get there and back that's what I mean sorry and if meteors they would still be faster but we know it's not meteors jazzakallah
Title: Re: jinn
Post by: Dawud on April 27, 2017, 02:46:09 AM
So how does that answer about jinns dodging gamma rays and being faster than them and going in between them and if they go slower it would take hundreds of years to get there and back that's what I mean sorry and if meteors they would still be faster but we know it's not meteors jazzakallah

First nobody says that all Jinns can teleport, maybe only those who can science to do that beacuse

Quran
27:39 A powerful and crafty jinn replied, ‘I will bring it to you before you can even rise from your place. I am strong and trustworthy enough,’ (Jinn asking Solomon to do teleportation)

27:40 but one of them who had some knowledge of the Scripture said, ‘I will bring it to you in the twinkling of an eye.’ When Solomon saw it set before him, he said, ‘This is a favour from my Lord, to test whether I am grateful or not: if anyone is grateful, it is for his own good, if anyone is ungrateful, then my Lord is self-sufficient and most generous.’ (Human asking Solomon to do teleportation)

from Ibn Katheer tafsir:
(One with whom was knowledge of the Scripture said: ) Ibn `Abbas said, "This was Asif, the scribe of Sulayman.'' It was also narrated by Muhammad bin Ishaq from Yazid bin Ruman that he was Asif bin Barkhiya' and he was a truthful believer who knew the Greatest Name of Allah. Qatadah said: "He was a believer among the humans, and his name was Asif.''


so not all Jinn can do teleportation, they have to fly instead of teleport. as you can see, mastery of teleportation was achieved from knowladgable human named Asir, who was scribe of prophet Solomon.
Title: Re: jinn
Post by: pascoe on April 27, 2017, 02:29:03 PM
So how can a gamma ray hit them if there faster or do you mean that jinn was a one of so a gamma ray can hit them but that would mean it would take hundreds if years to get to wear the stars are so there either too fast or not fast enough that's what I mean but thanks u do see what you mean jazzakallah
Title: Re: jinn
Post by: Dawud on April 27, 2017, 02:48:40 PM
So how can a gamma ray hit them if there faster or do you mean that jinn was a one of so a gamma ray can hit them but that would mean it would take hundreds if years to get to wear the stars are so there either too fast or not fast enough that's what I mean but thanks u do see what you mean jazzakallah

who said they are faster than gamma rays?

Shooting Stars, Amazing Scientific Miracle From The Quran

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTa88We-d-g



Title: Re: jinn
Post by: pascoe on April 27, 2017, 03:48:21 PM
What I mean is if there fast enough to get the seat of sheba  before prophet solamon  peace be upon him rises from his seat that would mean there faster than the speed of light so faster than gamma rays because there light but if there slower than gamma rays it would take hundreds of years for them to travel to the stars area so if there slow  they would not be that close they would be far away from the stars so how would the gamma rays hit them and if there only above the earth it would take a few days or years for a gamma ray from a star to hit them and if they could go up to the stars they could go in between the large dark gaps between the stars so they would be far away from the stars to dodge them the gamma rays that's what I mean but thanks for the help thow for the information
Title: Re: jinn
Post by: Dawud on April 28, 2017, 01:28:14 AM
What I mean is if there fast enough to get the seat of sheba  before prophet solamon peace be upon him rises from his seat that would mean there faster than the speed of light so faster than gamma rays because there light but if there slower than gamma rays it would take hundreds of years for them to travel to the stars area so if there slow  they would not be that close they would be far away from the stars so how would the gamma rays hit them and if there only above the earth it would take a few days or years for a gamma ray from a star to hit them and if they could go up to the stars they could go in between the large dark gaps between the stars so they would be far away from the stars to dodge them the gamma rays that's what I mean but thanks for the help thow for the information


you have missunderstood it, that was teleportation, not flying fast.

and ability of teleportation has not every Jinn.

 
Title: Re: jinn
Post by: pascoe on April 28, 2017, 08:46:30 AM
Oh so your saying this was a gift by that jinn that he could do teleportation like the man that it was a one of only that jinn could do and no one else that other jinns can't do it and can't do it in space is that right jazzakallah
Title: Re: jinn
Post by: pascoe on April 28, 2017, 11:49:32 AM
But also what about Satan he can be every where in seconds so wouldn't he be faster than the gamma rays jazzakallah
Title: Re: jinn
Post by: pascoe on April 28, 2017, 04:35:22 PM
And wouldn't it take years for a jinn to travel to the stars because it takes 4 years for the star light to reach us and that is the speed of light so if they travel faster than that that would mean there faster than light so how would the gamma rays hit them so there either too fast or too slow the jinn if you know what I mean but I'm not talking about verse 27:39 anymore because I agree that's talking about something else of teleportation not flying jazzakallah
Title: Re: jinn
Post by: pascoe on April 28, 2017, 08:50:18 PM
Also they say the Arabic word shiab fire means something we see which move side ways in a line like a streak straight line so some say it means meteors not gama rays because we can't see the line streak straight if you know what I mean jazzakallah
Title: Re: jinn
Post by: submit on April 30, 2017, 04:48:49 AM
speed of light say                             300,000,000m/s
speed of transferring the castle  say     8,000,000m/s
teleporting the castle would be faster than speed of light at unknown speed
Title: Re: jinn
Post by: pascoe on April 30, 2017, 05:33:03 AM
That's my point so how would a gamma ray hit them or they get to the area of the stars in time because it would take hundreds of years so like I said the jinn are either too fast to get hit by the gamma rays or too slow to get too the stars and if there fast enough to get to the stars that means there faster than light so faster than gamma rays to hit them jazzakallah or do you mean light is faster because 300000000 sounds quicker than 800000
Title: Re: jinn
Post by: pascoe on April 30, 2017, 05:37:28 AM
Like I said wouldn't Satan be faster because if he can be any where quick then how could gamma rays hit him example