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Title: My final doubt
Post by: Zakir on January 24, 2018, 02:02:31 PM
This website has been much help to me but I have a last doubt that stops me from calling myself Muslim again. I've know this is a big topic maybe someone could do an article but there is a series by David Wood called countering Muslim claims where he uses quran authentic hadith and evidence . I really need help guys I know this will take effort but please if this can be answered I can finally turn back to Islam. I do not expect and imidiate answer of course but please it would be so much help even if you could look at the episodes and provide a link refuting each one there are just under 10 episodes maybe 1 or 2 more please it will be so much help this website has never failed me.
Thank you.
Title: Re: My final doubt
Post by: shaad on January 24, 2018, 09:19:48 PM
Alright...i'll take a look...
Title: Re: My final doubt
Post by: shaad on January 24, 2018, 11:54:31 PM
Hi Zakir, i'm gonna start with Episode 3 as it's the most important one... They bring lots of points so i'm just gonna put links...

Days of creation:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bismikaallahuma.org/quran/six-or-eight-days-of-creation/amp/

First Muslim:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/yahyasnow.wordpress.com/2009/08/30/28/amp/

Warner of the Arabs:

https://nocontradictionsinquran.wordpress.com/2014/10/15/response-5/

Forgiveness of Shirk:

http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/does_allah_forgive_shirk___by_ansar_al__adl

Quran in Arabic:

https://muslimmatters.org/2008/05/21/the-arabic-quran-and-foreign-words/

Quran 2:62:

http://ayubhamid.com/reflections/qur-aan/examples-of-misinterpretations/335-the-misconceptions-about-verse-62-of-al-baqarah

Creation of Man:

http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/what_was_man_created_from___by_ansar_al__adl

Intercession:

http://www.asaratthedesk.com/2017/06/08/claim-contradiction-quranic-intercession/

Pharaoh:

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Contrad/Internal/qi025.html

Compulsion:

http://www.asaratthedesk.com/2017/08/08/is-there-compulsion-in-islam/

Alcohol:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/bassam_zawadi/gradual_prohibition_of_alcohol.htm

Punishment for sexual immorality:

http://muslim-responses.com/The_Punishment_of_Sexual_Immorality/The_Punishment_of_Sexual_Immorality_/
Title: Re: My final doubt
Post by: shaad on January 25, 2018, 12:39:16 AM
Episode 4 sounds more like Samuel Green to me...i'll take a complete look when i have the time...
Title: Re: My final doubt
Post by: Zakir on January 25, 2018, 02:14:38 AM
Hi Zakir, i'm gonna start with Episode 3 as it's the most important one... They bring lots of points so i'm just gonna put links...
Thanks this is so helpfull

Days of creation:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bismikaallahuma.org/quran/six-or-eight-days-of-creation/amp/

First Muslim:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/yahyasnow.wordpress.com/2009/08/30/28/amp/

Warner of the Arabs:

https://nocontradictionsinquran.wordpress.com/2014/10/15/response-5/

Forgiveness of Shirk:

http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/does_allah_forgive_shirk___by_ansar_al__adl

Quran in Arabic:

https://muslimmatters.org/2008/05/21/the-arabic-quran-and-foreign-words/

Quran 2:62:

http://ayubhamid.com/reflections/qur-aan/examples-of-misinterpretations/335-the-misconceptions-about-verse-62-of-al-baqarah

Creation of Man:

http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/what_was_man_created_from___by_ansar_al__adl

Intercession:

http://www.asaratthedesk.com/2017/06/08/claim-contradiction-quranic-intercession/

Pharaoh:

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Contrad/Internal/qi025.html

Compulsion:

http://www.asaratthedesk.com/2017/08/08/is-there-compulsion-in-islam/

Alcohol:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/bassam_zawadi/gradual_prohibition_of_alcohol.htm

Punishment for sexual immorality:

http://muslim-responses.com/The_Punishment_of_Sexual_Immorality/The_Punishment_of_Sexual_Immorality_/
Title: Re: My final doubt
Post by: shaad on January 25, 2018, 04:48:32 AM
You're welcome, They talk about the preservation of the Quran and stuff in Episode 4...lots of points...

The narration in Al Masahif:

http://www.letmeturnthetables.com/2010/09/quran-preservation-circumstance-abu.html?m=1

Ibn Masud:

http://www.letmeturnthetables.com/2011/10/ibn-masud-mushaf-last-surahs-fatiha.html?m=1

http://www.letmeturnthetables.com/2011/09/ibn-masud-disagreement-uthman-quran.html?m=1

Muslim 2286:

http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/rebuttal_to_samuel_green_s_article__muhammad_s_perfect_memory___

Surah Al-Ahzab:

http://www.letmeturnthetables.com/2011/01/ahzab-verses-lost-abrogated-or.html?m=1

http://islamic-life-forum.blogspot.com/2014/08/200-verses-accidentally-lost-from-surah.html?m=1

Breastfeeding:

http://www.letmeturnthetables.com/2009/08/exposing-lie-of-qurans-lost-verse-about.html?m=1

https://www.google.com/amp/s/rebuttaltoansweringmuslims.wordpress.com/2014/12/21/answering-using-the-quran-to-explain-the-incarnation-of-jesus-to-muslims/amp/

Stoning:

http://www.letmeturnthetables.com/2009/08/myth-of-qurans-lost-verse-about-stoning.html?m=1

Quran 33:6 and Ubayy Ibn Kaab:

http://www.letmeturnthetables.com/2010/12/alleged-variant-in-quran-336.html?m=1

Ibn Umar:

http://www.letmeturnthetables.com/2012/10/ibn-umar-irreparable-much-quran-loss.html?m=1

As their arguments seems pretty similar those of Samuel Green, i recommend you to read that as well:

Part 1

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mustafasahin33.wordpress.com/2016/06/04/reply-the-preservation-of-the-quran-to-samuel-green/amp/

Part 2

https://mustafasahin33.wordpress.com/2016/05/29/reply-the-preservation-of-the-quran-part-22/#respond
Title: Re: My final doubt
Post by: QuranSearchCom on January 25, 2018, 05:52:18 AM
As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers,

I was away for work and couldn't do much for the website.  Jazakum Allah Khayr for all of your efforts in helping brother Zakir.  May Allah Almighty reward you greatly.  Ameen.

Brother Zakir, don't feel restricted to ask more questions.  You're always welcomed to speak your mind.  Whatever doubts you have, feel free to post them here.  No need for "my final doubt".  You're always welcomed to post as you wish here, provided that no infidel links be posted here, as you already know.  May Allah Almighty bless you and continue to lead you to Islam.  Ameen.

I fought with Islam within myself for many many years!  I know how hard it is.  Trust me brother, all of the barking and braying out there from the doomed-to-Hell infidels is empty.  Islam is the Divine and Solid Truth of Allah Almighty.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah
Title: Re: My final doubt
Post by: shaad on January 25, 2018, 06:34:38 AM
Jazakum Allah Khayr brother Osama
Title: Re: My final doubt
Post by: shaad on January 25, 2018, 06:35:54 AM
Okay on Episode 2 they discuss about the Literary Miracle of the Quran, mostly about Quran 2:23...seriously they tend to ignore lots of aspects, seems more like the reasoning of a 12 year old to be honest...anyway read these...

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Miracle/ijaz.html

https://nosurahlikeit.wordpress.com/

Useful points in that one:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/surah_response1.htm

This episode is not really important...
Title: Re: My final doubt
Post by: AMuslimDude213 on January 25, 2018, 07:32:14 AM
Donot call this your final doubt,there will always come a doubt,whether it be small or big,all you have to do is find answers for it.
Title: Re: My final doubt
Post by: shaad on January 25, 2018, 07:45:17 AM
Episode 5, they discuss about Muhammad in the Bible...they make interesting points but they don't go into much detail...

I would like to show you articles but i think this debate would be enough...

https://callingchristians.com/2013/03/10/debate-was-muhammad-peace-be-upon-him-foretold-in-the-bible-zakir-hussein-vs-samuel-green/

A review by Snow...

https://yahyasnow.wordpress.com/2013/08/04/debate-review-zakir-hussain-muslim-debate-initiative-and-samuel-green-answering-islam/#respond
Title: Re: My final doubt
Post by: shaad on January 25, 2018, 08:20:59 AM
In Episode 6 they talk about the growth of Islam...

Basically there are Muslims who claim that the rapid growth of Islam is a proof that it is a true religion...i wonder which Muslim brings that up but i never do that to be honest...

Then they bring stuff such as girls getting shot in Muslim countries for going to school...dude seriously...sigh...
Title: Re: My final doubt
Post by: shaad on January 25, 2018, 08:23:05 AM
Okay just a recap, we've talked about Ep 2,3,4,5,6,7...only 2 more remains, i'll try to take a look later...
Title: Re: My final doubt
Post by: shaad on January 25, 2018, 08:25:33 AM
Oh i made a mistake, number 5 is infact number 7...so we're not done with number 5 yet...
Title: Re: My final doubt
Post by: Zakir on January 25, 2018, 10:22:40 AM
Oh i made a mistake, number 5 is infact number 7...so we're not done with number 5 yet...
Thank you for your efforts
Title: Re: My final doubt
Post by: Zakir on January 25, 2018, 03:22:17 PM
Oh i made a mistake, number 5 is infact number 7...so we're not done with number 5 yet...
Thank you for your efforts
let's continue If your not in a rush I can wait a couple of days
Title: Re: My final doubt
Post by: shaad on January 25, 2018, 08:59:03 PM
@Zakir, sorry for being late...i went to sleep...i'll deal with the rest when i have some free time later...
Title: Re: My final doubt
Post by: Zakir on January 26, 2018, 01:50:07 AM
OK that's fine
Title: Re: My final doubt
Post by: Zakir on January 26, 2018, 07:28:54 PM
@Zakir, sorry for being late...i went to sleep...i'll deal with the rest when i have some free time later...
Lets carry on tomorrow then
Title: Re: My final doubt
Post by: shaad on January 27, 2018, 05:19:20 AM
Alright Episode 5, They discuss whether the Prophet Performed miracles or not....though there are hadiths that clearly provides an affirmative answer about that, they simply dismiss them, and guess what? They have no concrete proofs to dismiss those hadith, on top of that they seem to forget that we have detailed chains of transmission, i mean any expert on hadiths would literally facepalm at their points...They make so much unproven statements that i had to send a couple of brothers some emails to check their claims...anyway i wouldn't spend my time talking about hadith science and stuff...

They use the Quran as their main proof so i guess that i must simply let the Quran speak for itself...a friend helped me on that one (thanks QB)

Jesus - "And behold! I did restrain the Children of Israel from (violence to) thee when thou didst show them the clear Signs, and the unbelievers among them said: 'This is nothing but evident magic." (5:110)

Moses - "He said: "Hast thou come to drive us out of our land with thy magic, O Moses?" (20:57)

Muhammad - "But if they see a Sign, they turn away, and say, "This is (but) transient magic."" (54:2)
Title: Re: My final doubt
Post by: shaad on January 27, 2018, 06:57:11 AM
Okay we move the the last and longest episode of the series i.e ep 8...they bring nothing new (once again) so i'm gonna put links once again...

Hadith of the fly:

http://thefactsaboutislam.blogspot.com/2015/10/explanatory-comments-on-hadith-of-fly.html?m=1

Adam's height:

http://www.letmeturnthetables.com/2013/10/height-adam-60-cubits.html?m=1

https://www.bismikaallahuma.org/hadith/exegesis/were-men-really-60-cubits-tall/

Well of Buda:

https://yahyasnow.wordpress.com/2014/04/25/islamophobe-refuted/

http://thefactsaboutislam.blogspot.com/2014/03/explanation-for-hadith-of-well-of.html?m=1

David talks about Alxander Romances for a bit:

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Sources/BBalex.html

Sunset:

http://thefactsaboutislam.blogspot.com/2015/08/antimuslim-sun-set-arguments-refuted-by.html?m=1

About the hadith- http://www.letmeturnthetables.com/2012/09/weak-hadith-sun-spring-warm-water.html?m=1

Or simply read that-  https://qurananswers.me/2015/12/03/dhul-qarnayn-and-the-muddy-spring/#3.5

Missiles in the lowest Heaven:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nocontradictionsinquran.wordpress.com/2015/08/05/response-131/amp/

Quran 86:6-7:

https://yahyasnow.wordpress.com/2009/08/23/quran-got-it-right-about-semen-production/#comments

Or you can take a look at that-  http://www.ahlalhdeeth.com/vbe/forum/the-holy-quran/2683-the-quran-does-not-say-that-sperm-is-created-from-between-the-backbone-and-ribs

Then David talks about flat earth and stuff... I'm sure brother Sama already cleared this misunderstanding for you in the past...i remember...

Then he talks about Camel urine for a brief moment:

http://www.islamawareness.net/FAQ/faq1000.html

http://www.systemoflife.com/answering-islamophobes/abul-kasem/236-refuting-muhammad-said-sick-men-heal-by-drinking-camel-urine
Title: Re: My final doubt
Post by: Zakir on January 27, 2018, 07:05:44 AM
Okay we move the the last and longest episode of the series i.e ep 8...they bring nothing new (once again) so i'm gonna put links once again...
Thank you alot

Hadith of the fly:

http://thefactsaboutislam.blogspot.com/2015/10/explanatory-comments-on-hadith-of-fly.html?m=1

Adam's height:

http://www.letmeturnthetables.com/2013/10/height-adam-60-cubits.html?m=1

https://www.bismikaallahuma.org/hadith/exegesis/were-men-really-60-cubits-tall/

Well of Buda:

https://yahyasnow.wordpress.com/2014/04/25/islamophobe-refuted/

http://thefactsaboutislam.blogspot.com/2014/03/explanation-for-hadith-of-well-of.html?m=1

David talks about Alxander Romances for a bit:

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Sources/BBalex.html

Sunset:

http://thefactsaboutislam.blogspot.com/2015/08/antimuslim-sun-set-arguments-refuted-by.html?m=1

About the hadith- http://www.letmeturnthetables.com/2012/09/weak-hadith-sun-spring-warm-water.html?m=1

Or simply read that-  https://qurananswers.me/2015/12/03/dhul-qarnayn-and-the-muddy-spring/#3.5

Missiles in the lowest Heaven:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nocontradictionsinquran.wordpress.com/2015/08/05/response-131/amp/

Quran 86:6-7:

https://yahyasnow.wordpress.com/2009/08/23/quran-got-it-right-about-semen-production/#comments

Or you can take a look at that-  http://www.ahlalhdeeth.com/vbe/forum/the-holy-quran/2683-the-quran-does-not-say-that-sperm-is-created-from-between-the-backbone-and-ribs

Then David talks about flat earth and stuff... I'm sure brother Sama already cleared this misunderstanding for you in the past...i remember...

Then he talks about Camel urine for a brief moment:

http://www.islamawareness.net/FAQ/faq1000.html

http://www.systemoflife.com/answering-islamophobes/abul-kasem/236-refuting-muhammad-said-sick-men-heal-by-drinking-camel-urine
Title: Re: My final doubt
Post by: shaad on January 27, 2018, 07:12:11 AM
You're welcome mate...only episode 1 remains, i'll take a look later...take care...
Title: Re: My final doubt
Post by: shaad on January 27, 2018, 07:39:09 AM
Okay brother Zakir, there's nothing special in episode 1, it's simply an introduction to what they are about to do in future episodes...

So i guess we're done with the series...👍

Take care
Title: Re: My final doubt
Post by: Zakir on January 27, 2018, 08:01:21 AM
Thanks you helped alot  👍
Title: Re: My final doubt
Post by: shaad on January 27, 2018, 09:56:24 AM
Haha you're welcome 😄
Title: Re: My final doubt
Post by: Mahir Adnan on January 30, 2018, 11:55:52 AM
I tried to update brother osama abdallah's post  :P  :P http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,3023.msg14611.html#msg14611