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Title: When is overthrowing a leader permissable?
Post by: Tanveer on January 08, 2013, 12:44:27 pm
The scholars say when you are oppressed. Others say when you cannot freely practice your religion. Etc etc. So...which is it? Is it just one or all of them. If its oppression, does being underrepresented intentionally merit a rebellion? With all these revolutions going on you wonder sometimes...
Title: Re: When is overthrowing a leader permissable?
Post by: RamziBinNabil on January 09, 2013, 07:05:18 am
As-Salamu `Alaykum Wa Rahamtullahi Wa Barakatuh akhi,
Please do not get politics into this. Please.
Title: Re: When is overthrowing a leader permissable?
Post by: There is only one God on January 09, 2013, 08:33:18 am
The scholars say when you are oppressed. Others say when you cannot freely practice your religion. Etc etc. So...which is it? Is it just one or all of them. If its oppression, does being underrepresented intentionally merit a rebellion? With all these revolutions going on you wonder sometimes...

I don't know, but Arabs seem to love anarchy for some reason
Title: Re: When is overthrowing a leader permissable?
Post by: Tanveer on January 09, 2013, 11:02:39 am
The scholars say when you are oppressed. Others say when you cannot freely practice your religion. Etc etc. So...which is it? Is it just one or all of them. If its oppression, does being underrepresented intentionally merit a rebellion? With all these revolutions going on you wonder sometimes...

I don't know, but Arabs seem to love anarchy for some reason
Thats harsh. Its not their fault. If its anyones fault, its colonialism and stealth imperialism.
Title: Re: When is overthrowing a leader permissable?
Post by: RamziBinNabil on January 09, 2013, 08:44:57 pm
I actually agree with brother There is only One God. Nowadays Muslims are called Muslims only by name. The Arabs are submitting willingly to the enemy (America and Israel) and are actually helping them ruin the state of the Arabs. Most of what you see nowadays on television going around in other countries (especially in Syria) is but propaganda and exaggerated lies.
Title: Re: When is overthrowing a leader permissable?
Post by: zulfiqarchucknorris on January 10, 2013, 08:50:32 am
Actually, whats going on in syria is true, bashar al assad is a dictator and has to be removed.
Title: Re: When is overthrowing a leader permissable?
Post by: RamziBinNabil on January 11, 2013, 03:34:48 am
No, he isn't. I know most of you hate what I'm going to say now, but the truth has to be revealed. Bashar Al-Assad was never corrupt. He actually improved Syria in a million ways. Syria was the country of peace. You're saying one day, Bashar woke up and said, "Let me go kill everybody in my country,"? America organized the protests because he refused to stop being a threat to Israel. Al-Jazeera, Al-Arabiyya, CNN, BBC and all these channels are controlled by Amercia (even the Arab ones) and are posting false information. Just today or yesterday Al-Jazeera finished building their fake model of Bashar's house and will make it look like the rebels will take over. They did the same thing with Lybia. Look itup if you don't believe. Earlier today, the BBC said that the rebels might win soon. Coincidence? Look, I love you all for the Sake of Almighty Allah and I don't want politics to make us fight. Thats why I said don't get politics into this. I know brother Osama won't like what I just said as he wrote that Al-Jazeera was his favorite channel.
Title: Re: When is overthrowing a leader permissable?
Post by: zulfiqarchucknorris on January 11, 2013, 05:04:02 am
Did Bashar improve Syria? Yes
Did Stalin Improve Russia? Yes
Who was president before Bashar? His Father
Was Bashar elected by a majority of the people? no, he was appointed by his father
I Bashar corrupt? Yes, most position are taken up by his family and the Alawites.
Was Mubarak a "threat to Israel"? No
But was he removed through a people's revolution? Yes
Is morsi a threat to Israel? More than Mubarak
Title: Re: When is overthrowing a leader permissable?
Post by: RamziBinNabil on January 11, 2013, 05:20:21 am
As stated earlier, we are not going to get politics into this.
Almighty Allah knows best. Anyway, may He make the situation there better. Allahumma Ameen.
Title: Re: When is overthrowing a leader permissable?
Post by: Tanveer on January 11, 2013, 11:45:05 am
I honestly dont see why normal people and scholars find this so complex. Its a simple question and should get a simple answer.
Title: Re: When is overthrowing a leader permissable?
Post by: RamziBinNabil on January 11, 2013, 03:09:03 pm
I think both opinions are correct.
Title: Re: When is overthrowing a leader permissable?
Post by: Tanveer on January 11, 2013, 03:44:42 pm
I have to disagree with you. AlJazeera has NO afilliation with the US. Thats why only a few cities in the US have AlJazeera. AlJazeera is FOX news' arch nemesis and its reporting is alot more fact based, not opinion based like US reporting. So saying the US controlls it is absurd. The BBC isnt controlled by the US either.
Title: Re: When is overthrowing a leader permissable?
Post by: RamziBinNabil on January 12, 2013, 05:05:13 am
As I said, I'm not going to talk about politics. Look it up for yourself. If you are going to open the discussion again, I'm going to permenantely leave this blog.
Title: Re: When is overthrowing a leader permissable?
Post by: zulfiqarchucknorris on January 12, 2013, 05:23:27 am
Peace
Although I love to discuss politics, I want to say that this place is not the place for it.
Title: Re: When is overthrowing a leader permissable?
Post by: Tanveer on January 12, 2013, 06:02:00 am
The irony is Ramzi, you brought the politics in with your January 09, 2013, 09:44:57 PM post. The question was a simple religious question thats why its in the Jihad section not politics.
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It just hit me that this may look like a personal attack on you Ramzi but i want you to know its not my intention to make it look so. After all, i consider you a friend. But i am being told i brought a subject into a post i never hinted at.
Title: Re: When is overthrowing a leader permissable?
Post by: RamziBinNabil on January 12, 2013, 06:17:19 am
I was not intending to start some type of debate, I was just giving my opinion. In addition, if I talk about politics in public, even if it were on the web, I can get kicked out of my country. I consider you a friend too. I'm just trying to prevent this to lead to something bigger and worse. By the way, you brought up politics first at the end of your question, then There is only One God did, then I spoke. But that's not the point. I'm sorry for my mistake.
Title: Re: When is overthrowing a leader permissable?
Post by: RamziBinNabil on January 12, 2013, 06:22:40 am
Let's all just start a new page. :)
Title: Re: When is overthrowing a leader permissable?
Post by: Tanveer on January 12, 2013, 07:01:53 am
I did? The revolution thing? Oh right. Seems we have different definitions of politics. I didnt know you could get kicked out, sorry.
Title: Re: When is overthrowing a leader permissable?
Post by: RamziBinNabil on January 12, 2013, 07:03:44 am
No, I am sorry. Let's just talk about something else. Do you have a PS3?
Title: Re: When is overthrowing a leader permissable?
Post by: There is only one God on January 12, 2013, 07:25:35 am
No, I am sorry. Let's just talk about something else. Do you have a PS3?

Hell no! PC gaming all the way! My brother wasted my Dad's money buying a ps3  >:(
Title: Re: When is overthrowing a leader permissable?
Post by: RamziBinNabil on January 12, 2013, 07:31:38 am
LOL, do you like, play World of Warcraft or something?
FIFA for life. <3
Title: Re: When is overthrowing a leader permissable?
Post by: There is only one God on January 12, 2013, 07:38:18 am
LOL, do you like, play World of Warcraft or something?
FIFA for life. <3

WoW? Seriously? [censored]. Waste of money _-_
I tried private servers (blizzlike), didn't like it. Nah, I stopped gaming like a looong time ago. I used to hack using Cheat Engine. Now I just waste my time debating Atheists on Y&A..
Title: Re: When is overthrowing a leader permissable?
Post by: RamziBinNabil on January 12, 2013, 08:18:00 am
What's Y&A?
Title: Re: When is overthrowing a leader permissable?
Post by: Tanveer on January 12, 2013, 08:48:03 am
X-box and pc gaming FTW!