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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / History of the word Nazereth
« on: July 13, 2016, 09:30:38 PM »
There are no extant non-biblical references to Nazareth until around 200 CE, the excavations revealed that Nazareth was a graveyard in the 1st century CE not a well populated area, it is also never mentioned in the Tanakh or in any other Jewish writings of the period. Here is one of my references

http://www.academia.edu/3988852/The_Quest_for_the_Historical_Nazareth

There were more than one Bethlehem, which Bethlehem was Jesus born in if it wasn't Nazareth? and why add Nazareth?

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so Is it really matters when the city being called Nazareth? the word Nazareth already written in Matthew (2-23) and Mark gospels after years of the historical Jesus PBUH lifting.

Nazarene:- which they translated in (Isaiah 11-1) = wə-nê-ṣer = וְנֵ֖צֶר = and a(wa) Branch or Shoot(neser) and still trying to stick it to Matthew 2-23..
 KJV (Isaiah 11-1)"And there shall come forth a SHOOT out of the stock of Jesse, And a Twig shall grow forth out of his roots.".

so (נֵ֖צֶר) = scion, descendant, shoot, offspring, offshoot, sprout.... in google translation. that means

BUT is:-
A- David came right from Jesse , so could it be him ?
B- how sure they are that the branch, offshoot(ne-ser) points to Jesus in that sentence? no proof
C- Is branch , offshoot is an appropriate call to a prophet , everyone of us is a branch and a shoot. so ?

 is that an enough proof that Matthew was wrong and there is no Nazarene in the OT bible of prophets? or he wanted to stick the call Nazarene to OT because of something else? or because Jesus PBUH was being called Nazarene(Naseri) by his people? or he was wrong and wanted to say "said in judges" not in prophets?


so i think that Christians now believes that Nazarene means a branch because of their scholars interpretation ,and I think it's a wrong believe.

lets find a appropriate meaning for the call Nazarene other than branch, offshoot from the bible.

KJV (Judges 13:5)"For, lo, thou shalt conceive, and bear a son; and no rasor shall come on his head: for the child shall be a Nazarite unto God from the womb: and he shall begin to deliver Israel out of the hand of the Philistines."

lets see Nazarite from (Judges 13:5):-  in (Judges 13:5) = nə-zîr = נְזִ֧יר = a Nazarite.  it have close definitions to the word (Ne-ser) .

in google translation the word (נְזִ֧יר) = monk , frair , hermit , anchorite , abstinent. in english
Nazarite = (نذير) nazeer in arabic = a Warner. and maybe it can't be a Warner unto god. so he is a supporter unto god.(Naseri unto Allah) (Ansar Allah)

so Nazerite unto god in (Judges 13:5)  points to the one who supports the cause of god..

in Arabic he is called Naseri(ناصري) by Arab Christians (surely Naseri unto Allah).
Ansar Allah(أنصار الله) in Arabic means the ones who supports the cause of god also.. so Nazareth means Nasera(ناصرة) means the supporter , the Espoused.
Nasara(نصارى) = we called them Christians today and that's how (نصارى) Nasara translated in google , but in the real meaning they are supporters, helpers(we hope they can be helpers to the cause of god). and god knows best.


see the noble verse (3-52)
Arberry: And when Jesus perceived their unbelief, he said, 'Who will be my helpers(انصاري) unto God?' The Apostles said, 'We will be helpers(أنصار) of God; we believe in God; witness thou our submission."
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my older research about that subject was weak so i updated it.

Matt 2-23"And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, He shall be called a Nazarene."

so let's analyze the intended nationalism call Nazarene in this:-

maybe his intention was:-
1- that he shall be called Nazarene because he came and dwelt in a city of Nazareth , but nationalism thing was not the intentions in Isaiah (11-1)( offshoot ) or in Judges(13-5) ( supporter ).
2- if Nazarene really points in the bible of prophets (Isaiah 11-1) a branch where he called a branch Ne-ser or netser not the nationality definition Nazarene,, so why mentioning Nazareth then?, what's the point? and where is Jesse in all that?
3- where is it spoken by the prophets "that he shall be called Nazarene" , or that he shall be called branch?
4- or it is one of Matthew mistakes?

 
and Jews didn't find any Nazareth or Nazarene in TANAKH, but we found Nazerite in judges(13-5) which is 1-not in the bible of prophets and 2- not Nazarene the nationality, then it's impossible and not rational to be meant a branch , offshoot for a prophet of god.

it seems that Matt just gave a nationality to Jesus by that sentence nothing more, just to strengthen his book in prophecies about Jesus from the OT.
 
i think it's false to say that he shall be called (netser)(offshoot) in the prophets , because everyone of us can be an offshoot but no one of us will be called branch (hey hello! branch how are you today?),  not the national call Nazarene..

 they also didn't call him Jesse Nazarene(Jesse branch) in Matthew or mentioned Jesse in that sentence.

it's all chaos in the NT for trying connecting it to OT.

yourz
khdrb

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 Muhammad sarwar is the closest translation for that verse. 5:48

5-48"We have revealed the Book to you (Muhammad) in all Truth. It confirms the (original) Bible and has the authority to preserve or abrogate what the Bible contains. Judge among them by what God has revealed to you and do not follow their desires instead of the Truth which has come to you. We have given a law and a way of life to each of you. Had God wanted, He could have made you into one nation, but He wanted to see who are the more pious ones among you. Compete with each other in righteousness. All of you will return to God who will tell you the truth in the matter of your differences."
 
IT confirms the (original) = (bayn yadayh)  (بين يديه) the scripture that revealed within Jesus PBUH hands not Paul's.
we have the Dominant over (mohaymenan alayh) (مهينا عليه) = holy Quran have the authority to abrogate or keep the original, so how about Paul's buybull ?, so it must be nothing to us and not credible at all ,we can use it just for exposing them and their lies .


 so according to that verse the holy Quran have the authority over their original scriptures which they doesn't have as Dr. Bart Ehrman said or maybe the apukrypha ones or maybe other hidden scriptures that we don't know about,  so how about when their buybull does not contain the original words of god physically at all or not fully physically which not spiritual words of god...

 about (not fully physically and have something spiritual) , the only god have challenged them in the verse before it (5-47) to judge in what god has revealed in it (بما انزل الله فيه). so Allah almighty knew that they doesn't have the original so he said what god has revealed in it , maybe points to some apukryfa gospels or the many other burned gospels through history or some hidden ones as in verse (3-187).
(5-47) Shakir: "And the followers of the Injeel should have judged by what Allah revealed in it; and whoever did not judge by what Allah revealed, those are they that are the transgressors."
(((((so revealed in it))))) !
 OR a CORRUPTED physically maybe fully ,and it's just as what verse (2-79) said, that maybe it points about some of their books, Pauls gospels and the official 4 most probably is (2-79) ,and they did what in verse  (3-187), or so corrupted like in verse (5:41)(2-75) maybe in some of their books Torah probably. so they can shut it about keep telling us you must believe in our physical scriptures...... we will believe only in the spiritual Jesus PBUH gospel  , and even if we believed it is the spiritual gospels we have the dominant over it 4-48. and when they keep bugging us about those verses that we must believe in their gospels according to Quran , we will put verse 7-157 as a criteria between us to their criticism , so they only have to bear witness 3 - 18 and 3 -81 if they can accept that criteria 7-157..

sorry for bad English
yours
Khader Othman
Jerusalem.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3lHueRXvh0
see from 16:52
so they will pick what they like from the NT manuscripts, make a better NT with something like bible-net interpretation , fix errors ,and scientific ,and non logical errors, make a new lies translations like in Isaiah and Ezekiel , maybe make it a stand alone from OT, then send it to the market . surely any hypocrite will buy this [censored].

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 let's believe in credible history books , Mauritania was conquered by Portuguese Spain and Holland in medieval 15th/16/17 century for trade , and glue trading, then comes France in 18th, then Islamic republic of Mauritania after the liberation from France in 1960, if there is a reason for enslaving in Mauritania , there it is just to blame the westerns thieves who conquered corrupted made the people uncivilized again and enslaving each others because there were very few highly rich people and too much slummy poor, this corruption can happen everywhere in the world. so dealing with slavery by Islamic republic in 21 years is a world record I believe , It stayed in Europe for hundreds of years, so Europe conquering is to blame only.
 
quoted from wiki by credible history source, not CNN or Bill warner.
"In 1445, Prince Henry the Navigator set up a trading post on Arguin Island (off the coast of modern Mauritania), which acquired acacia gum and ((((((SLAVES)))))) for Portugal. With the merger of the Portuguese and Spanish crowns in 1580, the Spaniards became the dominant influence along the coast. In 1638, however, they were replaced by the Dutch, who were the first to begin exploiting the acacia gum trade. Produced by the acacia trees of Trarza and Brakna, and used in textile pattern printing, this acacia gum was considered superior to that previously obtained in Arabia. By 1678, the French had driven out the Dutch and established a permanent settlement at Saint Louis at the mouth of the Senegal River, where the French Company of the Senegal River (Compagnie Française du Sénégal) had been trading for more than fifty years."

see also the pirate John Hawkins from their sources telling that he was bringing slaves from Africa by the millions with cooperation from Queen Elizabeth in the name of Jesus by a ships called Jesus .
 
 
The Trinity
1. Zeus, Poseidon and Adonis.
2. Ulomus, Ulosuros and Eliun
3. Amun, Re and Ptah
4. Wodan, Thor and Fricco
5. Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva
6. Criosan, Biosena, and Seeva,
7. Osiris, Isis, and Horus
8. Amen, Mut, and Khonsu,
9. Khnum, Satis, and Anukis
10. God, Jesus, and Holy Spirit

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here is many of their sword history that includes soxons and pagans intonations in this website.

www.truthbeknown.com/victims.htm

you have to know that Christians wars are mostly genocides , they know no woman/children/elder/embryo/sheep/donkey/camel.

◄ 1 Samuel 15:3 ►
New International Version
Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.'"

see this site and still they have continuous crimes in Arabs nations.
1- they killed 1000 million original American according to their witness and historian (Las Casas) and brought them plagues .

books.google.jo/books?id=p9CoAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA93&lpg=PA93&dq=1000+million+las+casas&source=bl&ots=vjZH_JUNKF&sig=imfvczLKcCU_ZjaJh-HrIzziIDg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjNx8rmiZ7LAhVlDJoKHWBxDL4Q6AEIGjAA#v=onepage&q=1000%20million%20las%20casas&f=false

2- they killed 30% of Germany population in protestant and catholic  medieval wars , Germany went down from 20 million to 13 millions and millions in other Europe countries by this war.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_wars_of_religion

3- they killed 3000 protestant at Paris in St.barthlemos birthday night. and 70000 other protestant in whole France, they killed embryos and babies , was throw them on walls and heads of babies were exploding.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Bartholomew's_Day_massacre

4- 6 million Jew burned in Germany by the blessings of churches.
5- Nagasaki Hiroshima nukes took millions.
6- killed millions in Algeria, Morocco , Tunis mostly by France in last 2 centuries. and thousand in Algeria by France nuke tests.
7- they are Sykes Picot division of our lands!
8- They are Balfour treaty signers with some of our traitors.
9- they conquered Muslims states and raped and killed millions
10- In Iraq & afghan killed millions
11- conquering and giving Palestine was the reason to kill hundreds of thousands , and kick out millions .
12 - slavery of african by tens of millions in the name of Jesus by their queen Elizabeth .
 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hawkins_(naval_commander)

13- conquered 98% of the world and still speaking about Islam and illegal immigration.
14- Vietnam
15- etc

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / bible funny editing
« on: March 18, 2016, 07:21:31 PM »
one of the best lies in the bible , that makes everyone really wonder , are Christians that easy to fool ? or they are also liars and like to be lied to?

see this verse.

in the Hebrew Tanakh , it is translated right and as it is in Hebrew Torah.

JPS Tanakh 1917
Ezekiel4:12 "And thou shalt eat it as barley cakes, and thou shalt bake it in their sight with dung that cometh out of man.'"

changed in the
New International Version
ezekiel4:12 "Eat the food as you would a loaf of barley bread; bake it in the sight of the people, using human excrement for fuel."
there are no fuel in the Hebrew Tanakh.

see the next verse that expose their lies.

New International Version
4-13"The LORD said, "In this way the people of Israel will eat defiled food among the nations where I will drive them.""

they played that pedantic games. but does the dried dung fuel defile the food ?

then the judge is copied in 4-15 to use cow dung as a new order. the 2nd question is why would god order them to make fuel from man dung only? he could just tell them just make fuel from any dung.

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / jesus false prophecisis
« on: March 16, 2016, 03:10:29 PM »
matt 2-23"And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, He shall be called a Nazarene."
Jews didn't find any Nazareth in OT , Matt author lied here also . and they didn't find it in bible of prophets. did Matt wanted to take Israel tribe to hell or was drunk?

someone replied to me about founding it in judges Judges 13:5 13-17
1- this is not bible of prophets
2- it is so different intention and meaning.

anyhow Allah almighty in quran never called anyone based on his land or country . he never said philistini or maccy or madany to any human being. god maybe called some based on their tongue , or like bani israel for a tribe. people of the book for who. people of madina , people of mecca...


khdr

jordan

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hello dear brothers of islam. lots of lies and plots are being made on islam as this new lie on youtube and facebook by those liars such as bill warner,  I would like to share this with you , so you can public it.

ed4444.tumblr.com/post/9078777434/the-lie-that-muslims-have-killed-270-million

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