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 Brother Ahmed Farooq and a few other brothers told me to bring them a hadith which says that every generation is worse than the one before it. Here it is:

اصْبِرُوا فَإِنَّهُ لَا يَأْتِي عَلَيْكُمْ زَمَانٌ إِلَّا الَّذِي بَعْدَهُ شَرٌّ مِنْهُ حَتَّى تَلْقَوْا رَبَّكُمْ سَمِعْتُهُ مِنْ نَبِيِّكُمْ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ

 I did not find a translation for it in English for you to understand however. And I do not want to translate it because I might translate some of the prophets words wrongly. The hadith is sahih. I don't think that this applies to every single generation but in general.

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 Assalamu alaikum brothers,

 Brother Osama, I think that I might have found something that you will want to add to your Aisha and young marriage article (www.answering-christianity.com/aisha.htm).

The minimum age of marriage in New Hampshire is 13 for females and 14 for males and in Mississippi it is 15 for females and 17 for males. Their are also cases in were a person can get married at around 15 with the parents' consent. For the full list visit this:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_marriage_in_the_United_States

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Osama, we need this domain NOW!
« on: August 06, 2016, 04:51:27 PM »
 Assalamu alaikum brothers,

 It seems that brother Osama is able to buy extra domains on this website so I found a really good domain which would increase the number of visitors heavily.

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Assalamu Alaikum brother Osama and everyone else,

 I have found more scientific and reliable sources that prove that the human body has 360 joints! But before that, I would like everyone to read this article:

http://en.islamtoday.net/artshow-392-3466.htm

Now here are the links which support this claim:

http://naturatomica.com/category/joints-bones-muscles

http://www.medixselect.com/page/symptomsofjointpain

http://www.nekosdedricks.com/certified_fitters.html

http://www.buzzle.com/articles/joints-in-the-body.html

There are more listed over here:

https://askmessenger1400.wordpress.com/2015/02/27/الادلة-العلمية-على-عدد-مفاصل-الانسان-360/

Many of the domains in the links in the website above are expired but thankfully he took pictures of the texts in the expired websites. Go to the end to see them. It is also intereating to note that many websites also claid that the number of joints is from 200 to 400.

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 Assalamu alaikum,

 Some Islamophobe have quoted this hadith to prove that Islam is wrong.  This hadith is in Al-Tabari and is from Ibn Abbas (RA):

"The other report, referring to a different concept, is what I was told by Muhammad b. Abi Mansur- Khalaf b. Wasil- Abu Nu'aym- Muqatil b. Hayyan- Ikrimah: One day when Ibn `Abbas was sitting (at home or in the mosque), a man came to him and said: Ibn `Abbas, I heard Ka'b, the Rabbi, tell a marvelous story about the sun and the moon. He continued. Ibn `Abbas who had been reclining sat up and asked what it was. The man said: He suggested that on the Day of Resurrection, the sun and the moon will be brought as if they were two hamstrung oxen, and flung into Hell. `Ikrimah continued. Ibn `Abbas became contorted with anger and exclaimed three times: Ka'b is lying! Ka'b is lying! Ka'b is lying! This is something Jewish he wants to inject into Islam. God is too majestic and noble to mete out punishment where there is obedience to Him. Have you not heard God's word: "And He subjected to you the sun and the moon, being constant" — referring to their constant obedience. How would He punish two servants that are praised for constant obedience? May God curse that rabbi and his rabbinate! How insolent is he toward God and what a tremendous fabrication has he told about those two servants that are obedient to God! He continued. Then he said several times: We return to God. He took a little piece of wood from the ground and started to hit the ground with it. He did that for some time, then lifting his head he threw away the little piece of wood and said: You want me to tell you what I heard the Messenger of God say about the sun and the moon and the beginning of their creation and how things went with them? We said: We would, indeed, May God show mercy unto you. He said: When the Messenger of God was asked about that, he replied: When God was done with His creation and only Adam remained to be created, He created two suns from the light of His Throne. His foreknowledge told Him that He would leave here one sun, so He created it as (large as) this world is from east to west. His foreknowledge also told Him that He would efface it and change it to a moon; so the moon is smaller in size than the sun. But both are seen as small because of the sun's altitude and remoteness from the earth.

He continued: If God had left the two suns as He created them in the beginning, night would not have been distinguishable from day. A hired man then would not know until when he should labor and when he should receive his wages. A person fasting would not know until when he must fast. A woman would not know how to reckon the period of her impurity. The Muslims would not know the time of the pilgrimage. Debtors would not know when their debts become due. People in general would not know when to work for a livelihood and when to stop for resting their bodies. The Lord was too concerned with His servants and too merciful to them (to do such a thing). He thus sent Gabriel to drag his wing three times over the face of the moon, which at the time was a sun. He effaced its luminosity and left the light in it. This is (meant by) God's word: "And We have made the night and the day two signs. We have blotted out the sign of the night, and We have made the sign of the day something to see by." He continued. The blackness you can see as lines on the moon is a trace of the blotting. God then created for the sun a chariot with 360 handholds from the luminosity of the light of the Throne and entrusted 360 of the angels inhabiting the lower heaven with the sun and its chariot, each of them gripping one of those handholds. He entrusted 360 of the angels inhabiting (the lower?) heaven with the moon and its chariot, each of them gripping one of those handholds.

Then he said: For the sun and the moon, He created easts and wests (positions to rise and set) on the two sides of the earth and the two rims of heaven, 180 SPRINGS IN THE WEST OF BLACK CLAY – THIS IS (MEANT BY) GOD'S WORD: "He found it setting in a muddy spring," meaning by "muddy (hami'ah)" black clay - and 180 springs IN THE EAST LIKEWISE OF BLACK CLAY, bubbling and boiling like a pot when it boiled furiously. He continued. Every day and night, the sun has a new place where it rises and a new place where it sets. The interval between them from beginning to end is longest for the day in summer and shortest in winter. This is (meant by) God's word: "The Lord of the two easts and the Lord of the two wests," meaning the last (position) of the sun here and the last there. He omitted the positions in the east and the west (for the rising and setting of the sun) in between them. Then He referred to east and west in the plural, saying; "(By) the Lord of the easts and wests." He mentioned the number of all those springs (as above).

He continued. God created an ocean three farsakhs (18 kilometers) removed from heaven. Waves contained, it stands in the air by the command of God. No drop of it is spilled. All the oceans are motionless, but that ocean flows at the rate of the speed of an arrow. It is set free to move in the air evenly, as if it were a rope stretched out in the area between east and west. The sun, the moon, and the retrograde stars RUN IN ITS DEEP SWELL. THIS IS (MEANT BY) GOD'S WORD: "Each swims in a sphere." "The sphere" is the circulation of the chariot IN THE DEEP SWELL OF THAT OCEAN. By Him Who holds the soul of Muhammad in His hand! If the sun WERE TO EMERGE FROM THAT OCEAN, it would burn everything on earth, including even rocks and stones, and if the moon were to emerge from it, it would afflict (by its heat) the inhabitants of the earth to such and extent that they would worship gods other than God. The exception would be those of God's friends whom He would want to keep free from sin.

Ibn `Abbas said that `Ali b. Abi Talib said to the Messenger of God: You are like my father and my mother! You have mentioned the course of the retrograde stars (al-khunnas) by which God swears in the Qur'an, together with the sun and the moon, and the rest. Now, what are al-khunnas? The Prophet replied: `Ali, they are five stars: Jupiter (al-birjis), Saturn (zuhal), Mercury (`utarid), Mars (bahram), and Venus (al-zuhrah). These five stars rise and run like the sun and the moon and race with them together. All the other stars are suspended from heaven as lamps are from mosques, and circulate together with heaven praising and sanctifying God with prayer. The Prophet then said: If you wish to have this made clear, look to the circulation of the sphere alternately here and there. It is the circulation of heaven and the circulation of all the stars together with it except those five. Their circulation today is what you see, and that is their prayer. Their circulation to the Day of Resurrection is as quick as the circulation of a mill because of the dangers and tremors of the Day of resurrection. This is (meant by) God's word: "On a day when the heaven sways to and fro and the mountains move. Woe on that day unto those who declare false (the Prophet's divine message)."

He continued. When the sun rises, it rises upon its chariot FROM ONE OF THOSE SPRINGS accompanied by 360 angels with outspread wings. They draw it along the sphere, praising and sanctifying God with prayer, according to the extent of the hours of night and the hours of day, be it night or day. When God wishes to test the sun and the moon, showing His servants a sign and thereby asking them to stop disobeying Him and to start to obey, the sun tumbles from the chariot AND FALLS INTO THE DEEP OF THAT OCEAN, which is the sphere. When God wants to increase the significance of the sign and frighten His servants severely, all of the sun falls, and nothing of it remains upon the chariot. That is a total eclipse of the sun, when the day darkens and the stars come out. When God wants to make a partial sign, half or a third or two-thirds of it fall into the water, while the rest remains upon the chariot, this being a partial eclipse. It is a misfortune for the sun or for the moon. It frightens His servants and constitutes a request from the Lord (for them to repent). However this may be, the angels entrusted with the chariot of the sun divide into two groups, one that goes to the sun and pulls it toward the chariot, and another that goes to the chariot and pulls it toward the sun, while at the same time they keep it steady in the sphere, praising and sanctifying God with prayer, according to the extent of the hours of day or the hours of night, be it night or day, summer or winter, autumn or spring between summer and winter, lest the length of night and day be increased in any way. God has given them knowledge of that by inspiration and also the power for it. The gradual emergence of the sun or the moon FROM THE DEEP OF THAT OCEAN covering them which you observe after an eclipse (is accomplished by) all the angels together who, after having brought out all of it, carry it (back) and put it upon the chariot. They praise God that He gave them the power to do that. They grip the handholds of the chariot and draw it in the sphere, praising and sanctifying God with prayer. Finally, they bring the sun to the west. Having done so; THEY PUT IT INTO THE SPRING, and the sun falls from the horizon of the sphere INTO THE SPRING.

Then the Prophet said, expressing wonder at God’s creation: How wonderful is the divine power with respect to something than which nothing more wonderful has ever been created!… By Him Who holds the soul of Muhammad in His hand! Were those people not so many and so noisy, all the inhabitants of this world would hear the loud crash made by the sun falling when it rises and when it sets… Whenever the sun sets, it is raised from heaven to heaven by the angels’ fast flight, until it is brought to the highest, seventh heaven, and eventually is underneath the Throne. It falls down in prostration, and the angels entrusted with it prostrate themselves together with it. Then it is brought down to heaven. When it reaches this heaven, dawn breaks. When it comes down FROM ONE OF THOSE SPRINGS, morning becomes luminous. And when it reaches this face of heaven, the day becomes luminous.

(The History of Al-Tabari: General Introduction and From the Creation to the Flood, translated by Franz Rosenthal [State University of New York Press (SUNY), Albany, 1989], volume 1, pp. 232-238; bold and capital emphasis ours)"

Response:

 This hadith is extremely false and fabricated.


حكم المحدث:[ فيه ] مسلمة بن الصلت متروك وعمر بن صبيح مشهور بالوضع

Grade of the hadith:  Bin Al-Silat said: it's a hadith matruk and Umar bin sabih said: it's a mauduu.

Hadith matruk means: The hadith is reported by those who are accused of lying and they made up that hadith. The hadith is also contrary to the science of Hadith.

Hadith mauduu means: It is a made up hadith which is attributed to the prophet (PBUH), but he never said that and it has no connection to him.

Source:

http://hdith.com/?s=يا+ابن+عباس+،+سمعت+العجب+من+كعب+الحبر+،+يذكر+في+الشمس+والقمر+.+قال+%3A+وكان+متكئا+فاحتفز+ثم+قال+%3A+وما+ذاك+؟+قال+%3A+زعم+أنه+يجاء+بالشمس+والقمر+يوم+القيامة+كأنهما+ثوران+عقيران+،+

The first hadith highlighted in red.


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 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBMbHCQgj98 You can find Sam Shamoun in minute 1:31 . Its obviously him!


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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / 6 or 8 days of creation?
« on: May 22, 2016, 04:20:25 AM »
 http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/i010.html


We need a counter rebuttal to this please. Thank you.

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Thank you.

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 When presented with verses from the bible which state that the mustard seed is the smallest seed, Christians  (such as Christiananswers.net) would say that Jesus was speaking about the smallest seed in Palestine and that the farmers over there didn't know about any other smaller seeds. But that is false! Here is what Professor Olsen (I don't know his last name) said:

"With what can we compare the kingdom of God, or what parable will we use for it? It is like a mustard seed, which, when sown upon the ground, is the smallest of all the seeds on earth; yet when it is sown it grows up and becomes the greatest of all shrubs, and puts forth large branches, so that the birds of the air can make nests in its shade. (Mark 4.30-32) [emphasis added]

Some have argued, despite the clear language of the quote, that Jesus was only referring to the seeds known to his audience. Well then, was the mustard seed the smallest seed known in Palestine? No, not even in Jesus’ time. There would be numerous plants familiar to his audience with smaller seeds, of which the best example would be the seed of the black orchid. And just for the record, the mustard seed doesn’t grow to be the greatest of all the shrubs on Earth, either."

 


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Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 54, Number 456:
Narrated Abdullah:
Regarding the Verse: “Indeed he (Muhammad) did see. Of the Signs of his Lord, The Greatest!” (53.18) That the Prophet had seen a green carpet spread all over the horizon of the sky.

 Thank you.

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