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In Islam / Re: Allah blesses women
« on: September 22, 2012, 07:17:02 AM »


“And whoever turns away from My remembrance - indeed, he will have a depressed life, and We will gather him on the Day of Resurrection blind. He will say: O my Lord! Why have you raised me up blind, while I had sight (before)? He will say: Thus did Our signs come to you, and you forgot them; and thus will you this Day be forgotten.”   

[The Holy Quran: Ta-Ha 20:124-126]

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In Islam / Re: Allah blesses women
« on: September 21, 2012, 12:53:55 PM »

Oh, so second wives are actually glorified maids?

No, of course not. No body said that. My step mother is always visiting as a guest and a close family member , she has her own house, a different neighbourhood. she never helped us with the care of our mother, it's not her duty, we have a maid for the house and my sister and brother take care of her afairs.

As for my hypothetical second wife ,I won't even allow her to use my kitchen, she would have her own house and her own neighbours. It's just like mutual benefit. A lady who needs a house and a husband and would like to have kids.

You choose to be blind, look around you. Are western women living an easy life?
or Shall I mention the wonderful verses in the bible that clearly degrades women? Just googlize "The dark side of the bible and women" and you will find wonders. Would God say such a thing against women? that is another proof that this bible has been changed according to your men's agenda at those times.

Regards,
 

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In Islam / Re: Allah blesses women
« on: September 21, 2012, 05:11:18 AM »
Hello All,

Islam is the ultimate freedom for women. Islam is the only religion that preserved and fought for the dignity of women. And by I slam I mean the religion of all prophets from Adam to Mohammad and the return of Jesus, peace and blessings of God be upon them all.

“He (The Lord) has legislated for you (All mankind) of religion which He commended upon Noah and that which We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], and that which We commended upon Abraham and Moses and Jesus, saying: Establish the religion and do not be divided in it. Greatly hard for those who associate others with God is that which you call them to. Allah chooses for Himself whom He wills and guides to Himself whoever turns to Him (in repentance and in obedience)."                       

  [Quran:The Consultation 42:13]

To explain this I will invade my personal life to make it closer to your minds:

Why More than one wife:

After 2 years of my mother being sick and bed bound my father , encouraged by my mother, got married again. His new wife was and still is like a sister to all of us, helping us in the house, taking care of my mother when there is an opportunity for her, giving us advice. She was the one who gave me genuine advice before I got married, since my mother’s speech and comprehension were affected as well. I am happy that my father has a second wife who we are all proud of and not a prostitute.

Why I would like my husband to get married with another lady?

For so many reasons but primarily because I have a disabled son, and I don’t have the patience nor the tolerance to raise other kids, and I want more brothers and sisters for my son so that after I am and his father are gone, he will find support from real family. Western Research Finding: the one who take cares of you when you get old, is not your friend, not your neighbor, not your cousin, it’s your brother.

Other benefits:

•I will have more time to take care of myself since the cooking and other chores will decrease.
•If ,God forbid, I got sick seriously, she can fill the gap while my husband has his work to be occupied with.
•If, God forbid, I died, she will be the best one to take care of my kids because she already knows them. My real sisters from birth are really great but at the end of the day every one of them has her own family to take care of.

Why I would not suggest having another wife for my husband? Simply because we can’t afford it right now. And it is illegal in a western country to do that while they allow and encourage their daughters and sisters to advertise for prostitution in the news papers.

Men have more inheritance:
Well , if God forbid,  my husband died, it will be the responsibility of the relative men of the family to take care of me and my children financially not the women even if I chose to work.

Head covers and loose clothes:

It is the ultimate freedom. Showing our bodies for strange men to enjoy or critic is the oppression. Islam gives us the highest respect.

Work:
I have been working for more than 15 years and the day I stopped is the day where I found freedom, no need to explain, you should know what I mean. Well nowadays I find some men who can’t wait to retire or quit their jobs to enjoy life and do what they really love to do.

These are just very few things about women and Islam. Please I am not used to hearing offensive language and for my dear Christian readers I remind you of a verse in your Holy Bible. 

Mathew 5:22 " But I say to you that whosoever is angry with his brother shall be in danger of the judgment. And whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council. And whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire."[The Holy Bible, Mathew 5: 22]

Thank you

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Hello All,

I am going to drop the topic, although its very easy for me to reply to you Antiaparteid and Final overture, because we are drifting from the main issue. We are not here to argue, we suppose to help each other to see the way.

But just for you understand my position, I want to write for you a verse, among lots of verses, I read in the Holy Bible that let me absent minded for a day. You see I only opened my Bible few weeks ago to prepare for one Christian Scholar who was at my door holding it and wanting to guide me, I thought that the truth is hard to find and it’s only for scholars. I am not a scholar in any religion.

John 21:25 

But there are also many other things which Jesus did, which, if they were written every one, the world itself, I think, would not be able to contain the books that should be written.

Then I thought what else did this guy add to the bible as an opinion or as an explanation? How can anybody add a verse in a holy scripture? What about the reliability and credibility of this book?

I never saw or heard an individual who asked God sincerely for guidance and he turned him away. Please I ask you both, to pray to God , what ever pray you want, Jesus way, your way, in the middle of the night when every body is sleeping, or even in the day light . let us all ask him for guidance, it won’t hurt any body, but do it sincerely, stop debating, repeat your prayer and never say , I prayed but there was no answer, and keep looking for the Truth.

Thank you

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Quote from Egyptian: your following thought is neither crazy nor new to my eyes ,actually I once read a similar commentary to yours ,just don't remember where...
still I don't think such understanding to the text convincing ...


Thank you for your reply brother, this discussion has motivated me to look further into it, what began as a crazy thought is now a firm belief :

You see if I read this verse from your same source it would have never caught my attention, my guess that you have the simplified  version.


Jeremiah15.Cursed be the man who brought the news to my father, saying, "A male child has been born to you," making him glad

"Cursed be the man that brought the tidings to my father, saying a man child is born to thee and made him greatly rejoice."

My version say man child not male child and I looked further into other translations:

Clarke's Commentary on the Bible:
 Borun is to thee a knave child. - Old MS. Bible. This is the old English word for man or servant; and is so used by Wiclif, Revelation 12:6.

I also looked into other commentaries :

Keil and Delitzsch Biblical Commentary on the Old Testament

In the curse on the man that brought the father the news of the birth, the stress lies on the clause, "who made him very glad,"

Matthew Henry's Commentary on the Whole Bible:

What is the meaning of this? Does there proceed out of the same mouth blessing and cursing? Could he that said so cheerfully (v. 13), Sing unto the Lord, praise you the Lord, say so passionately (v. 14), Cursed be the day wherein I was born? How shall we reconcile these?.

It is difficult to comprehend, no matter what the context was, how suddenly from singing and praising the Lord he started cursing himself and the man who brought the news although it is well known to us in the eastern region that our men find it shameful to even let the brother of the wife be around during delivery of a baby, it was always the duty of women and Jeremia should have said what is accustomed.

Prophets are chosen people with good morals and patience. Prophet Joseph was persecuted by his brothers then he stayed in the prison for so many years, he never cursed, he was patient he was the symbol of virtues .

Thank you all ,

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Quote from Final Overture: Those cursings might be metaphorical, as we find some similar in Job 3:1-3. It serves as an expression of big and great sorrow.

Thank you for your reply but:

 The more I look into the explanation of this verse the more I am convinced of my suggestion, you will see my comments soon.

 A curse is a curse, I have never heard of a metaphorical curse and Job never cursed anybody, not to mention himself. Real Prophets don’t curse the day they are born.

Regards,

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Thank you brothers for all the comments. If you please bear with me the following crazy thought I have:

In Jeremias 20: 13 the verse says:

"Sing ye to the Lord, praise the Lord: because he hath delivered the soul of the poor out of the hand of the wicked."

after this verse even christians in their commentaries they couldn't understand why suddenly Jeremia started to curse him self.

qoute:The poetry moves abruptly from praise (v. 13) to the poison of assault upon everything that is near and dear. We are given no clue as to what might have evoked this poem of violent rejection and self-hatred

My crazy analysis goes like this:

If he is really a prophet, prophets would never curse them selves.

In the Holy Quran In Surat Maryam, prophet Jesus said;
"And peace be upon me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be raised alive! (33) That is Jesus, the son of Mary, the word of truth about which they are in dispute (34) It is not [befitting] for Allah to take a son; exalted is He! When He has decreed a matter, He only says to it, "Be," and it is (35) And indeed, Allah is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him. That is a straight path (36)”

So, according to this,  Jeremias 20: 14, 16,17 & 18 don't make any sense at all and I believe they were added by those who buy with God's words few money.

please stay with me for a while longer.

that leaves us with Jeremias 20:15 .  looking back at eastern cultures it was the duty of women to give the goodnews of delivering a baby , men had nothing to do with it, not even close relative men. so Jeremia should have cursed the woman who had given the news not the man.

there fore Jeremias was not refering to his own birth, he was actually cursing any human being who would bring the tiding to God of having a man child that he rejoices with.

and thus every thing fits into place of having Jeremia starting with 20:13 singing to the Lord then cursing any man who would say he had a son and that is a praise.

Jeremias 20:15
"Cursed be the man that brought the tidings to my father, saying a man child is born to thee and made him greatly rejoice."

Thank you for reading my crazy post and awaiting your comments.

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Peace be upon you,

This is my first post. Thank you for allowing me to be a member.

Could any one share with me his thoughts about the verse Jeremias 20:15

" Cursed be the man that brought the tidings to my father, saying : A man child is born to thee: and made him greatly rejoice."

Kindest regards,

:)

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