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Assalamu Aleikum Muzi123,

I’ve quickly scanned through the 2 video parts of what you linked to, and let’s just say, without extensively indulging what has been discussed throughout the videos, that for a rebuttal and defense for the Bible as well as a response to the Quran, this wasn’t exactly what may be qualified as a “quality rebuttal” of any kind, which isn’t anything new really since even though there will always be the “rebuttal” for everything, actually analyzing said rebuttal will prove it to be nothing but nonsense and conjecture being argued.

The point you brought up is a fine example of that, briefly put:

This isn’t the Bible here, we’re making reference to the Quran, and context is everything, so then what is the context of the Quran or any verses contained therein?

Quite simply, it’s the Quran itself.

Here’s the verse that was being referenced:

''Lawful to you is game from the sea and its food as provision for you and the travelers, but forbidden to you is game from the land as long as you are in the state of ihram. And fear Allah to whom you will be gathered.'' [5:96]

Just using logic and common sense first of all, this one here is so clear, the verse says ''and its food as provision for you''.

A fish known to be poisonous and deadly is obviously not food, here’s the definition of food as in food for Sakshi et al (the Indian missionary group in the videos):

''any nutritious substance that people or animals eat or drink or that plants absorb in order to maintain life and growth: tins of cat food''

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/food

Now on to the actual context which is the Quran itself in its entirety, which is and has always been meant to be taken as a whole and not by quoting bits, words and verses out of context to mislead people.

The verse before anything begins by defining the sport/game and its food (food as has always been logically understood and defined such as the above) as lawful, or halal in Arabic.

So then what is lawful food, no matter what it is and unless otherwise explicitly mentioned, according to the Quran?

These 2 verses are the brief answers:

''O mankind, eat from whatever is on earth [that is] lawful and good and do not follow the footsteps of Satan. Indeed, he is to you a clear enemy.'' [2:168]

''O you who have believed, eat from the good things which We have provided for you and be grateful to Allah if it is [indeed] Him that you worship.'' [2:172]

The first one begins saying eat whatever you may want on Earth that is lawful and good, that is, all kinds of fish may be lawful as per certain hadeeths, but at the same time, lawful in Islam no matter where it is taken from, implies what is good right with it, they go hand in hand both of them.

Put in a simpler way, what is not good, as in harmful, deadly, poisonous, etc, cannot be lawful.

And the second verse reiterates the same point mentioning directly what is good to be the only allowed source of food, it being lawful simply assumed unless otherwise stated as with some meats people may stubbornly want to consume despite much evidence of it being harmful and unhealthy such as pork meat, dead meat, and so forth.

Many more verses in the Quran unanimously clearly point this out, but as with about let’s say 96% of the whole 2 part video presentation this was just such a silly thing to bring in as an “argument”, but you just get used to it considering those types of guys are really just literally desperate to find “errors” and “contradictions” to argue about and bring the Quran to the level of their corrupt scriptures which even their most reputed scholars and theologians have all mostly admitted to.

The other 4% amounts to extremely poor knowledge of the Arabic language and quoting wrong translations of words/verses and presenting them as “errors”, which may or may not be done intentionally (usually intentionally) so on those the benefit of the doubt will be admitted.

Regards.

 

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Assalamu Aleikum brother Osama,

I was actually wondering the same thing Mediator is asking about, which is if there had been found or discovered any remnants of giant human skeletons gradually decreasing from Prophet Adam (pbuh) to the current "modern" human size of today (or if any valid detailed explanation had been made on the subject as to why no such skeletons had been found if so is the case).

However I never really delved too deep into the matter or paid too much attention to it, but it seems maybe brother Egyptian is referring to the great height of Prophet Adam (pbuh) and humans back then in general maybe being a weak narration?

There are probably many other questions that may be asked, the article's analysis proved well enough from the Quran that the Earth had indeed expanded, however what are your thoughts on extremely tall human bodies gradually decreasing in size as the Earth expanded being found under ground exactly like dinosaur fossils etc for instance?

Wassalamu Aleikum.

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And we need something for the ladies. I mean you cannot possibly neglect us, feminists, can you?

How could I EVER forget you, Antiaparteid?  ;D ;D ;D

HOW??? ;D

I would add, an "Antiaparteid" section all by itself would even be more appropriate, and when Answering-Christianity TV is launched, she can be the daily exclusive invite.

Mr.Gubgoobgub may also finally be officially interviewed on the secret debating and refuting techniques he used to win the overly heated debate that took place a couple of weeks back in a legendary "30-seconds-or-less" fashion.

I'm sure EVERYONE will be able to learn a great deal.
 
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Assalamu Aleikum brother Osama,

A suggestion here, basically I was replying to a PM earlier but wanted to add some points (in other words edit it, much like is done with the regular posts) but couldn't do so and had to add the extra points in another PM.

I was wondering if there was any such feature as editing PMs just like we do with posts on the forums?

If so I think it will prove useful with time, although if it turns out to be anything that would end-up too time consuming on your end to integrate then it wouldn't be that much of an issue honestly, it's just a minor inconvenience really.

Let me know.

Wassamalu Aleikum.

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In the Bible / Re: Marrying your children???
« on: September 22, 2012, 11:46:41 PM »
No comment on the current main issues being debated here, however it's about what now? The third time?

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First: I invited you to debate "divine justice vs mercy" ,in a separate thread ,in order to respect the readers who don't like a mess of ideas in one thread, but you ignored the invitation !
I renew my invitation to have civil debate , plz, stop your off-topic mess ,and start a new thread.

You seemed pretty eager and ready, as recently as of today in the morning, to continue arguing more in-depth your case for the impossibility of  God, in the Islamic concept of Him that is, to be both righteous and merciful at the same time, since you of course know Him inside out and how his righteous mercy has to completely be dependent upon and validated by the blood of another human (god himself or his son depending on who is referencing that story) being shed on a cross after being sorely humiliated and so forth.

Good, truly my heart is on the verge of tearing up from how merciful, but especially, especially I said, righteous all of this sounds. Truly.

I'll quote this part just once more in case you missed it the first 3 times:

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First: I invited you to debate "divine justice vs mercy" ,in a separate thread ,in order to respect the readers who don't like a mess of ideas in one thread, but you ignored the invitation !
I renew my invitation to have civil debate , plz, stop your off-topic mess ,and start a new thread.

I hope you won't just try ignoring it this time. You ought to stop doing that.

Really.

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Assalamu Aleikum brother Egyptian,

Jazak'Allahu'khair for all the great work. When you first started posting in this thread all the long posts (the character limit was the biggest hindrance I assume, I had encountered similar issues  :D) I thought that you were simply copy/pasting all of this from another site or reference, but having read last week more of it, especially in regards to the part where Isa's PBUH crucifixion issue was being debated, I realized that page 1 to page 5 had your writing style all over it, which is insane, how long did it take you to put all of this together? Masha'Allah.

I suppose this was a long-term study you had undertaken which took you at the very least many months (I had years in mind at first, but then realized this might be a bit more far-fetched) to put together or would the case be something else?

Anyways thank you for the quality posts, not only in this thread but also all over the other ones as well, they are appreciated.

Keep it up.

Wassalamu Aleikum.

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Quran Morality and Moral Code, Laws & QA / Re: The Book
« on: September 18, 2012, 02:12:22 PM »
 ;D I was exactly going to post the exact same thing when I first saw this thread yesterday, but simply refrained, considering most of the 17 threads Anti has started since she first began posting here haven't had much of a point really.

I like though how she (assuming she really is a "she") seems to just be switching from Christian, to Muslim, to Atheist, etc, in all of her posts. You can't really pinpoint what her true intentions are since it's all so random. I won't need to recapitulate all her posts, but people can just go get a quick read of them to confirm this.

Anyways, at least it's all still good for a laugh here and there.

Nice :)

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In Islam / Re: Allah blesses women
« on: September 17, 2012, 03:05:02 PM »
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"Stupid", you may call me.


Glad you spared the trouble for anyone to have to do it. I seriously mean this one.

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Or, uneducated, or something. But, don't bloody say I have psychological problems. That's getting personal. And, here I was, thinking that, this forum was against personal attacks! Hmm? Makes one wonder.

This thread isn't about being against men. It's about getting people to think...

And yes, men aren't just sperm and penis. Men are like you. Do you realise what you've done to me? The way you've responded to my post is typical of muslim men. Every time a woman says something that suggests free thinking, a muslim man will react as you have been reacting to many of my posts.

There is a trend among the muslim males. The trend is to obscure the qur'an and hadith to make women feel inadequate and helpless without men. Is islam about this kind of indoctrination?

I would've like women to respond to my post--not some sexist muslim male.

Also really glad that you’re one of the very few to stand up for the severely, no I mean extremely, and very obviously, repressed and abused rights of Muslim women, as well as women in general, all over the world. That’s super.

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FYI, even the quran says that marium had a baby by the word of Allah. Unless the "Glorious Qur'an" says otherwise.

That’s correct, yes. And brother Egyptian never denied that fact either, you’re obviously just hallucinating things.

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Lol! How many types of qur'an are there? Let's see: the noble qur'an, the holy qur'an, the glorious qur'an,... What's next?

This simply just has got to be an intentional joke ;D If not, either way, thanks for the laugh, now that’s one of the very few good ones that you can find out there ;D

What’s next you ask? That’s your choice really, but you may also try saying something like “Lol! How many gods do Muslims worship? Let’s see: [here you would start listing out 1-99 gods, if you catch my drift]''.

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And by the way, I think I'll live harmoniously, married to an atheist. At least he'd respect my human and civil rights. And we'd make our own rules. I'd rather die than be with a man who quotes from some qur'an how he should undermine me.

It’s nice of you to have taken the time to make this specification.

There isn’t much left for me to say now, other than good luck.

You may need it.

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Same old boring “arguments” really, worthless thread, worthless discussion, worthless points, and that I really mean it, usually I won’t start a post this way but for some types of people (and the “arguments" they bring) that’s really the only way you can find of properly dealing with them, even if it may be against the usual way you deal with people in general.

You seem pretty new at this, have you just discovered answering (attacking but blatantly failing at it) islam recently or something?

No anger here either because those kinds of arguments you’re presenting have been around for years and years and none of them have been or will ever be taken more seriously than the time it takes to quickly take care and refute them and the empty theories and false charges they involve nearly 100% of the time one after the other, but anyways…

I’ve been following this specific thread for maybe since yesterday now and have also read all your previous posts, I thought of responding to everything you’ve brought up in thorough detail but that would be such a waste of time for nothing and I just don’t feel like losing hours typing all that out, so I’ve just refrained at the last minute of doing so :)

However since you seem fond of bringing up that Geschhwind whatever syndrome and especially Ellen White (never had heard of her before personally) as one of your “arguments”, (even though if we had to weight the values of each one you brought up, as weak as they may all be as a whole, the ones with Ellen White would definitely be the weakest) I just felt like responding to this one real quick since it’s a walk in the park and won’t require much time at all.

So basically you’re comparing Ellen White to Prophet Muhammad PBUH and in summary all your arguments regarding her are an extension of this:

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1. what are the reasons that make you accept Muhammad and reject White, rather than the other way? do you have any?

Consider all the arguments that Muslims usually give to Christians, in order to make them accept Muhammad, and apply them to the case of Ellen White.

Do you realize how weak that is?

Really quickly, Ellen preached by the Bible and believed “that only the Bible is sufficient for forming doctrines and beliefs” (from the link you gave, end of first paragraph at the top).

The magic keyword here is “Bible”.

Do you know what this really means as to her claim of prophethood being all based on the Bible for this specific point, and do you know how weak this made your arguments sound? Please go study and read up a bit more about the Bible.

A good starting point which you might be able to connect more with since a lot of your arguments deal with science would be to give the “Creation of the Universe” accounts from Genesis in the Bible a closer look and try and give it some thought.

And that's only the tip of the iceberg compared to what could and can be said with absolute certainty when it comes to the Bible, no lies and no fake theories, but that'll suffice in regards to that "argument" of yours.

And then the rest was pretty much as weak but that won’t be dealt with since my time is running out, the Ellen one though was the quickest I could deal with so that’s that.

Also just so we’re clear, my intention never was to argue with you or continue the “debate”, I just felt like throwing mine in real quick where you’re throwing yours, that is all.

I'll keep an eye on the thread but probably won't post anymore so don't count on any further reply from me, however I might if any point brought up is good enough for it and isn't just as ridiculous as 95% of your "arguments" up until now.

Need I say more? No.

And may Peace be upon you.

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EDIT: I just read this one another time and it made me laugh, I’m not even kidding :))

I had to put it back in here so people could see it a couple more times when good comedy is needed:

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Ellen White did similar things in America, and maybe even some better things.

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Ellen White did similar things in America, and maybe even some better things.

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Ellen White did similar things in America, and maybe even some better things.

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Ellen White did similar things in America, and maybe even some better things.

Posted by “brother Mustafa” in reference to the quote below which was originally posted by brother Final Overture in an earlier post:

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3. «During the 23-year period of his prophethood, he changed the entire Arabian Peninsula from paganism to worship of the one true God, from tribal warfare to national unity, from anarchy to disciplined living, from barbarism to the highest standard of moral excellence. At the time of his death most inhabitants of Arabia and the southern regions of Iraq and Palestine had voluntarily embraced Islam. To posterity he left a creed of pure monotheism that included comprehensive legislation based on a balanced system of moral values.» (Clear your doubts about Islam, Sahih International)

And that will be all for tonight, but I have to admit that one was good, for real :)
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Oh no need to apologize, I just thought that maybe it might not have been sent over to you or might have landed in your spam box or something of the sort, in which case I would have re-sent it which is why I was making sure.

I am happy some of it will prove helpful insha’Allah.

Also there are one or two points I unfortunately forgot to add (Insan is our name isn’t it :))) which I will be sending over by email in 2-3 days or even sooner when I get some time insha’Allah, you can take a look at it whenever you get some time as well or when you get to completing the article as they are just some additions I didn't think to add which are to be taken as part of the first email.

Wassalamu Aleikum dear brother.

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And then the second:

(The angels and the Ruh Ta`ruju to Him) `Abdur-Razzaq reported from Ma`mar from Qatadah that Ta`ruju means to ascend. In reference to the Ruh, Abu Salih said, "They are creatures from the creation of Allah that resemble humans but they are not humans.'' It could be that here it means Jibril, and this is a way of connecting the specific to the general (other angels). It could also be referring to the name of the souls (Arwah) of the Children of Adam (humans). For verily, when they (the human souls) are taken at death, they are lifted up to the heavens just as the Hadith of Al-Bara' proves.
Concerning Allah's statement,

(in a Day the measure whereof is fifty thousand years.) This refers to the Day of Judgement. Ibn Abi Hatim recorded from Ibn `Abbas that he said concerning the Ayah,

(in a Day the measure whereof is fifty thousand years.) "It is the Day of Judgement.'' The chain of narration of this report (to Ibn `Abbas) is authentic. Ath-Thawri reported from Simak bin Harb from `Ikrimah that he said concerning this verse, "It is the Day of Judgement.'' Ad-Dahhak and Ibn Zayd both said the same. `Ali bin Abi Talhah reported from Ibn `Abbas concerning the Ayah,

(The angels and the Ruh ascend to Him in a Day the measure whereof is fifty thousand years.) "It is the Day of Judgement that Allah has made to be the measure of fifty thousand years for the disbelievers. '' Many Hadiths have been reported with this same meaning.


I am sure other brothers and sisters will/may have other points to add as there are many other things that can be said as well regarding your three points, and hopefully this clears any confusion you had in regard to them as I tried keeping this as simple as possible.

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EDIT: One last thing I forgot in regards to what brother Egyptian mentioned in the second part of his post:

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few scholars believe that death here is a reference to natural death Jesus had in his first coming, they believe that Jesus really died (not by means of crucifixion) ,some of them doubt ,others deny his second coming .

To explain it to brother Rez, it is clearly understood that Jesus (Isa) PBUH never died at the time of his first coming to the Jews even though they had planned to kill him, and that he was saved from their plans and raised up to Allah SWT (literally, not in dying or whatever) and that he will come back a second time as one of the major signs of the arrival of the Hour and the Day of Judgment...

"[Mention] when Allah said, "O Jesus, indeed I will take you and raise you to Myself and purify you from those who disbelieve and make those who follow you [in submission to Allah alone] superior to those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me is your return, and I will judge between you concerning that in which you used to differ."
[3:55]

...and also http://quran.com/4/156-159 which supports the former verse even more.

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Wassalamu Aleikum.

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This question along with all the other ones you have asked have been extensively dealt with in the past as everything is clear and the Quran on its own explains and completes itself. More can be said and provided for reference as well however I will hold off with what has been said for now so as to not spend the whole night doing so :), and also because I think that what has been said deals well enough with the questions raised.
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and finally

Quran 70:4 it says
The angels and the Spirit will ascend to Him during a Day the extent of which is fifty thousand years.
and in 32:5 it says
He arranges [each] matter from the heaven to the earth; then it will ascend to Him in a Day, the extent of which is a thousand years of those which you count.
the extent is a thousand years or 50 thousand years?
i would like you to explain this to me,as a muslim i believe there is no contradiction in Quran but i am confused about this.
please i really need your help with this

The subject of angels is a largely dealt with one upon which entire volumes have been written and lectures presented, the belief in them being an important part of the Deen of Islam (way of life of Islam), however your question is a pretty simple one that won’t require much complicated detailing.

Both of the verses are referring to two completely different phenomenon and as can clearly be seen as well different timeframe comparisons, the first one referring to the angels and the Spirit ascending to Allah SWT, and the second referring to all matters/actions arranged/decreed by Allah SWT in the heaven and on earth.

Tafsir Ibn Kathir does a fine simplified job of explaining both verses properly.

For the first verse:

(He directs the command from the heavens to the earth; then it will go up to Him,) means, His command comes down from above the heavens to the furthest boundary of the seventh earth. This is like the Ayah,

(It is Allah Who has created seven heavens and of the earth the like thereof. The command descends between them, ) (65:12) Deeds are raised up to the place of recording above the lowest heaven. The distance between heaven and earth is the distance of five hundred years traveling, and the thickness of the heaven is the distance of five hundred years. Mujahid, Qatadah and Ad-Dahhak said, "The distance covered by the angel when he descends or ascends is the distance of five hundred years, but he covers it in the blink of an eye.'' Allah says:

(in one Day, the measurement of which is a thousand years of your reckoning. That is He, the All-Knower of the unseen and the seen,) meaning, He is controlling all these affairs. He sees all that His servants do, and all their deeds, major and minor, significant and insignificant, ascend to Him. He is the Almighty Who has subjugated all things to His control, and to Whom everybody submits, and He is Most Merciful to His believing servants. He is Almighty in His mercy and Most Merciful in His might. This is perfection: might combined with mercy and mercy combined with might, for He is Merciful without any hint of weakness.


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Wa Aleikum Assalam Wa Rahmat’Allah’i Wa Barakatu brother Rez,

Brother Egyptian has done a good job of dealing with the first point, and insha’Allah I will simply be slightly expanding upon it as well as dealing with the second and third point in a nutshell though as they are quite simple matters even though pages could be written responding to the matter and quoting different verses and a’hadeeths however basic responses will do.

(Also I had to separate my reply in 3 posts as it seems I had exceeded the annoying character limit of 6000, which previously was 4000, brother Osama I see you have increased the limit, still not enough though is it, let's make it into 100,000 or something   ;D)

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in Quran 19:33 Jesus(PBUH) says
And peace is on me the day I was born and the day I will die and the day I am raised alive."
but Jesus never died and he never will die when he comes on the day of judgement,but how come he said peace be upon me the day i will die?

Jesus PBUH will actually die and so will every living soul Allah SWT created in reference first and foremost to this verse of the Quran…

“Every soul will taste death, and you will only be given your [full] compensation on the Day of Resurrection. So he who is drawn away from the Fire and admitted to Paradise has attained [his desire]. And what is the life of this world except the enjoyment of delusion.” [3:185]

…and that includes Jesus PBUH and everyone else that is still living until the Day of Judgment, whether it be natural death, or death by being killed or even death by the trumpet being blown in which case every living being will die and then resurrect (the living will die and resurrect and the ones who were already dead will resurrect) in preparation for Yawm-Al-Qiyama (the Day of Judgment).

Also when I said that every living being will die that was to be taken literally, and when there will be none left but the Angel of Death even he will have his taste of death by Allah’s SWT Will who is the only eternally living One who does not die, death being his creation as well…

“[He] who created death and life to test you [as to] which of you is best in deed - and He is the Exalted in Might, the Forgiving –“ [67:2]

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and other thing is a friend of mine asked me about Quran 2:62
Indeed, those who believed and those who were Jews or Christians or Sabeans [before Prophet Muhammad] - those [among them] who believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness - will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve.
and in 3:85 it says
And whoever desires other than Islam as religion - never will it be accepted from him, and he, in the Hereafter, will be among the losers.
he asked me is this a contradiction i told him there is no contradictions in Quran but he said,in 2:62 it says i can be a Jew or Christian and be safe but in 3:85 it says only Islam is accepted by God.could you elaborate more on this and help me with this and explain so i can make it clear to him that it's not a contradictions

Yes, you could have been a Jew or a Christian, or a follower of any other religion for that matter, and have been safe, that is only in the case where you would have been a true believer, “Jews” being true followers of Moses PBUH (not the ones of today) and “Christians” being true followers of Jesus PBUH (not the ones of today either), and the same goes for any religions which any Messengers of Allah SWT had came with in their original form only which all unanimously dictated at their core no more than true submission to the One God (Allah in Arabic) which in Arabic as well is called Islam (meaning submission to God).

The truly believing Jews and Christians of the time of Moses PBUH and Jesus PBUH were all Muslims as well as they all submitted in obedience to the pure message their respective Messengers had came with in their pure form without any corruption or man-made alterations…

“Say, "O People of the Scripture, you are [standing] on nothing until you uphold [the law of] the Torah, the Gospel, and what has been revealed to you from your Lord." And that which has been revealed to you from your Lord will surely increase many of them in transgression and disbelief. So do not grieve over the disbelieving people.” [5:68]

…”what has been revealed to you from your Lord” here is Allah SWT telling those so-called “Jews” and “Christians” that until they truly follow what had been sent earlier in the Torah of Moses PBUH and the Gospel of Jesus PBUH in their pure state only (which in the time this verse was being recited to them had both been corrupted and changed, hence the new revelation to which we are getting now), and finally the final eternal message to them that will go uncorrupted, the Quran which denounces many of the false man-added doctrines from the “Jews” and “Christians” of that time even up until now that include “Jews” not recognizing Jesus as being a Messenger of God nor believing in what he had came with alongside many other things, and the “Christians” who idolized and turned Jesus PBUH into a God of his own, and those other "Christians" as well who turned him into the son of God, and then again those other "Christians" too who also turned him as being part of a triune God separated in three but still being one (if that even makes any sense at all) who they define as the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost and on and on…

http://quran.com/5/14-20

…applying exactly to your question above regarding the current “Jews” and “Christians” as well as those going back to Prophet Muhammad’s PBUH time.




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Assalamu Aleikum brother Osama,

I sent you a PM a couple of days ago and was just wondering if it had properly been sent to you as I had encountered some issues while doing so which makes me suspect it maybe might not have been sent, or maybe got lost due to some technical issues on my end or something of the sort, so just making sure.

Let me know akhi.

Wassalamu Aleikum.

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No problem at all, I am glad that some of the things I mentioned may prove to be useful for the article, I guess that means I’ll also insha’Allah be getting my own reward for every person who takes anything away from reading the article in the future or just plain simply reads it :)

That’s enough for me of a motivation to have tried helping a little, and there are other specifications that I have thought of which I haven’t posted yet but that are relevant and feel may prove useful as well, and I will be posting them soon enough insha’Allah in not so long.

Until then take care.

Wassalamu Aleikum akhi.

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