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AsalamuAlaikum,

Ive made some additions to the article. To see version 1.1 : http://quran-errors.weebly.com/the-authenticity-of-the-assassination-story-of-asma-bint-marwan.html

The additions:


Appendix 1 : Islamqa Fatwa #177694 : The story of the killing of 'Asma Bint Marwaan is false

Question:
brother my question was about the death of Asmaa bint Marwaan people speaking against islam say that she was killed on the order of the prophet in a very brutal way and this indicates according to some about the messenger of Allahs lust for power in yathrib It would be highly appreciated if this topic is explained so that i can answer these people how benevolent the messenger of Allah was

Answer:
Praise be to Allah.

Firstly:

Allah, may He be exalted, has told us in His holy Book that He only sent His Messenger Muhammad (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) as a mercy to all people. Allah, may He be glorified, says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And We have sent you (O Muhammad SAW) not but as a mercy for the Alameen (mankind, jinns and all that exists)”

[al-Anbiya’ 21:107].

The one who accepts this mercy and gives thanks for this grace will be blessed in this world and in the Hereafter; the one who rejects it and denies it will be a loser in this world and in the Hereafter.

End quote from Tafseer Ibn Katheer, 5/385

Al-Haakim narrated in al-Mustadrak (100) that Abu Hurayrah said: The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “O people, I am but a bestowed mercy.” Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Jaami‘, 2345.

The Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) is the one who pardoned all of Quraysh, even though they had let him down, opposed him, expelled him, waged war against him and incited the Arabs against him. When he conquered Makkah, he pardoned them and did not punish them or take revenge on them for their bad treatment.

He is the one who pardoned the Jewish woman who had poisoned the mutton for him. al-Bukhaari (2617) and Muslim (5834) narrated from Anas ibn Maalik (may Allah be pleased with him) that the Jewish woman brought the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) some poisoned mutton and he ate some of it. Then she was brought to him and it was said: Will you give us permission to execute her? He said: No.

‘Aa’ishah (may Allah be pleased with her) said: The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) never took revenge for his own sake, unless one of the sacred limits of Allaah had been transgressed, then he would take revenge for the sake of Allaah.

Narrated by al-Bukhaari (6126) and Muslim (2327).

Al-Bukhaari (4838) narrated from ‘Abdullah ibn ‘Amr ibn al-‘Aas (may Allah be pleased with him) concerning this verse in the Qur’aan – “O Prophet (Muhammad SAW)! Verily, We have sent you as witness, and a bearer of glad tidings, and a warner” [al-Ahzaab 33:45] – that he said: In the Torah it says: O Prophet! We have sent you as a witness and as a bearer of glad tidings, a saviour to the unlettered. You are My slave and My Messenger, and I have named you al-Mutawakkil (the one who puts his trust solely in Allah). He is not coarse or uncouth, shouting in the marketplace; he does not repay evil with evil, rather he overlooks and forgives.

The reports that speak of his patience in putting up with annoyance, and his forgiveness and tolerance, his not holding things against people and his returning evil with good are innumerable. These people only want to undermine the status of the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) as a sign of their increase in kufr and because of the jealousy, resentment and hatred they have in their hearts, and because they hope and wish to extinguish the light of Allah. “But Allah will complete His Light even though the disbelievers hate (it).” [as-Saff 61:8].

It is proven that the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) forbade the killing of women. Abu Dawood (2669) narrated that Rabaah ibn Rabee‘ said: We were with the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) on a campaign, and he saw the people gathered around something. He sent a man to find out what they were looking at, and he came back and told him that it was a woman who had been killed. He said: “Such a one could not have been a fighter.” Khaalid ibn al-Waleed was leading the vanguard of the army, so he sent a man to him and said: “Tell Khaalid: Do not kill any woman or hired worker.”

Secondly:

As for the report about the slaying of ‘Asma bint Marwaan that is propagated by these liars, it is a fabricated report. It was narrated by al-Qadaa‘i in Musnad ash-Shihaab (856), al-Khateeb in at-Tareekh(13/99), Ibn ‘Asaakir in his Tareekh (51/244), and Ibn ‘Umar al-Harbi in his Fawaa’id (50), all via Muhammad ibn al-Hajjaaj al-Lakhami Abu Ibraaheem al-Waasiti from Mujaalid ibn Sa‘eed from ash-Sha‘bi from Ibn ‘Abbaas, who said:

A woman from Banu Khatamah wrote poetry lampooning the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him), and news of that reached the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) and upset him. He said: “Who will deal with her for me?” A man from among her people said: I will, O Messenger of Allah! She was a seller of dates, so he went to her and said to her: Do you have any dates? She said: Yes. So she showed him some dates, and he said: I want something better than this. So she went inside to show him and he followed her and looked right and left, but he did not see anything except a small table, and he kept hitting her head with it until he killed her. Then he went to the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) and said: O Messenger of Allah, I have taken care of her for you. The Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “The validity of what you have done is something that no one could dispute.”

This woman was ‘Asma bint Marwaan.

This is an invalid isnaad and a fabricated report that was narrated by Muhammad ibn al-Hajjaaj of whom al-Bukhaari said: His hadeeth is to be rejected. Ibn Ma‘een said: (He is) an evil liar. Ad-Daaraqutni said: (He is) a liar; and on one occasion he said: He is not trustworthy.

Mizaan al-I‘tidaal, 3/509

Ibn ‘Adiyy said: Muhammad ibn al-Hajjaaj fabricated the hadeeth about the woman who used to lampoon the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him), according to which when she was killed he (allegedly) said: “The validity of what you have done is something that no one could dispute.”

End quote from al-Mawdoo‘aat by Ibn al-Jawzi 3/18

This hadeeth was also mentioned by Shaykh al-Albaani (may Allah have mercy on him) in ad-Da‘eefah(6013); he said it is fabricated (mawdoo‘).

It was narrated by al-Waaqidi in al-Maghaazi (p. 173) and via him by al-Qadaa‘i (858): ‘Abdullah ibn al-Haarith told me, from his father, that ‘Asma bint Marwaan, from Banu Umayyah ibn Zayd, was married to Yazeed ibn Zayd ibn Hisn al-Khatmi. She used to revile the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him), criticise Islam and incite people against the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him). When news of what she said and her incitement of the people reached ‘Umayr ibn ‘Adiyy ibn Kharashah ibn Umayyah al-Khatmi, he said: O Allah, I make a vow to You that I shall kill her if You grant a safe return to Madinah to the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) – as the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) was in Badr at that time. When the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) came back from Badr, ‘Umayr ibn ‘Adiyy came to her in the middle of the night and entered upon her in her house when she had a group of her children sleeping around her, including an infant who was still being breastfed. He reached out to touch her and found the infant whom she was breastfeeding. He pushed the child aside then he plunged his sword into her chest until it came out of her back. Then he went out and prayed Fajr with the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) in Madinah. When the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) finished praying, he looked at ‘Umayr and said: Did you kill the daughter of Marwaan? He said: Yes, may my father be sacrificed for you, O Messenger of Allah.

‘Umayr was afraid that the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) would not approve of his killing her, so he said: Is there any sin on me for that, O Messenger of Allah? He said: “The validity of what you have done is something that no one could dispute.” And this is the first time I heard this phrase from the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him). ‘Umayr said: The Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) turned to those who were around him and said: “If you want to see a man who supported Allah and His Messenger, then look at ‘Ubayr ibn ‘Adiyy.”

End quote.

This is a worthless isnaad. Imam Ahmad said concerning al-Waaqidi – whose name was Muhammad ibn ‘Umar ibn Waaqid – : He is a liar; he alters hadeeths. Ibn Ma‘een said: He is not trustworthy. On one occasion he said: His hadeeth is not to be written down. Al-Bukhaari and Abu Haatim said: He is matrook (rejected). Abu Haatim and an-Nasaa’i said: He fabricates hadeeth. Ibn ‘Adiyy said: His hadeeths are odd and problematic. Ibn al-Madeeni said: al-Waaqidi fabricates hadeeth.

Mizaan al-I‘tidaal, 3/663

An-Nasaa’i said: The liars who are known for fabricating hadeeth are four: Ibraaheem ibn Abi Yahya in Madinah, al-Waaqidi in Baghdad, Muqaatil in Khorasan and Muhammad ibn Sa‘eed in Syria.

End quote from Tahdheeb at-Tahdheeb, 9/163

And Allah knows best.

http://islamqa.info/en/177694

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Jazak Allahu khairan

Some good articles akh. Is it ok if I link them on my weebly?

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Brother is Ibn Sa'd Authentic?

AsalamuAlaikum,

Ibn Sa'd's Tabaqat like any book of hadeeth has authentic and inauthentic information. Hence we need to check the authenticity of it.

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AsalamuAlaikum,

Full Article: http://quran-errors.weebly.com/the-authenticity-of-the-assassination-of-abu-afak-story.html

This story is recorded by a number of sources such as Ibn Ishaq, Ibn Sa'd and Al-Waqidi.

In the case of Ibn Ishaq and one version in Ibn Sa'd's work the story has no Isnaad (chain of transmission). One of the five criteria for a hadeeth to be authentic is that it must have a fully connected chain of transmission [1]

Ittisaal as-Sanad (Continuity of the chain of transmitters)

The chain of narrators or transmitters, who are relating the Matn (text), has to be unbroken for the hadeeth to be considered. That is none of the transmitters must be missing from the chain and each narrator, Raawee, has to have met the transmitter directly preceding him as well as the one directly following him. Each Raawee has to be a known individual, otherwise he is classified as majhool (unknown) and the sanad is classified as broken. [2]

In this case we don't have that. So this story can not be regarded as authentic.

In one of Ibn Sa'd's accounts he provides us with the chain of transmission [3] and Al-Waqidi's account provides us with an isnaad [4]. However both these chains contain Al-Waqidi who is well known for being an inauthentic narrator.

1. al-Shafi’i (d. 204 A.H.):All the books of al-Waqidi are lies. In Madinah there were seven men who used to fabricator authorities, one of which was al-Waqidi.[5]

2. Ahmad ibn Hanbal (d. 241 A.H.):He is a liar, makes alternations in the traditions.[6]

3. al-Nasa’i (d. 303 A.H.):The liars known for fabricating the Hadith of the Messenger of Allah are four. They are: Arba’ah b. Abi Yahya in Madinah, al-Waqidi in Baghdad, Muqatil b. Sulayman in Khurasan and Muhammad bin Sa’id in Syria.[7]

4. al-Bukhari (d. 256 A.H.):al-Waqidi has been abandoned in Hadith. He fabricates Hadith.[8]

5. al-Dhahbi (d. 748 A.H.):Consensus has taken place on the weakness of al-Waqidi.[9]

6. Yahya ibn Ma’in (d. 233 A.H.):He is weak. He is nothing. Not reliable![10]

7. Ishaq ibn Rahwiyah (d. 238 A.H.):According to my view, he is one of those who fabricate Hadith.[11]

8. Abu Dawud (d. 275 A.H.):I do not write his Hadith and I do not report (Hadith) on his authority. I have no doubt that he used to make up Hadith.[12]

9. Ibn Abi Hatim al-Razi (d. 277 A.H.):He fabricates Hadith. We have abandoned his Hadith.[13]

10. al-Darqutni (d. 385 A.H.):There is weakness in him (in his reporting).[14]

11. ‘Ali ibn Madyani (d. 241 A.H.):He fabricates Hadith.[15]

12. Ibn ‘Adi (d. 365 A.H.):His traditions are not safe and there is danger from him (in accepting his traditions).[16]

13. Ibn Hajr (d. 852 A.H.):He has been abandoned in spite of vastness of his knowledge.[17]

14. Abu Zar’ah al-Razi (d. 264 A.H.):Abandoned, Weak![18]

15. al-Nawawi (d. 676 A.H.):Their (muhaddithin’) consensus is that al-Waqidi is weak.[19]

16. Al-Albani said: Al-Waqidi is a liar [20]

So this narration is Da'if in all of its versions - whether it be due to having no chain of transmission or because having weak transmitters in its chain of transmission.

This is why we need to authenticate and check hadeeth as Ibn Taymiyyah wrote:

قَدْ نَصَبَ اللَّهُ الْأَدِلَّةَ عَلَى بَيَانِ مَا فِيهَا مِنْ صَحِيحٍ وَغَيْرِهِ وَمَعْلُومٌ أَنَّ الْمَنْقُولَ فِي التَّفْسِيرِ أَكْثَرُهُ كَالْمَنْقُولِ فِي الْمَغَازِي وَالْمَلَاحِمِ وَلِهَذَا قَالَ الْإِمَامُ أَحْمَد ثَلَاثَةُ أُمُورٍ لَيْسَ لَهَا إسْنَادٌ التَّفْسِيرُ وَالْمَلَاحِمُ وَالْمَغَازِي وَيُرْوَى لَيْسَ لَهَا أَصْلٌ أَيْ إسْنَادٌ لِأَنَّ الْغَالِبَ عَلَيْهَا
الْمَرَاسِيلُ مِثْلُ مَا يَذْكُرُهُ عُرْوَةُ بْنُ الزُّبَيْرِ وَالشَّعْبِيُّ وَالزُّهْرِيُّ وَمُوسَى بْنُ عُقْبَةَ وَابْنُ إسْحَاقَ

Allah has provided evidence establishing the authenticity or lack thereof for the narrations that are necessary in matters of the religion. It is well-known that most of what is reported in books of exegesis is similar to what is reported in books of history and battles. For this reason, Imam Ahmad said that three matters are not reliable: exegesis, stories of battles, and history. These matters are narrated without a basis or chain of narration from those who omit narrators such as what is mentioned from Urwah ibn Az-Zubair, Ash-Sha’bi, Az-Zuhri, Musa ibn Uqbah, and Ibn Ishaq. [21]

And Allah Knows Best

References:
[1] Bilal Philips, Usool Al-Hadeeth, p.39. Mohammad Hashim Kamali, A Textbook of Hadith Studies, pp.139-143.
[2] Bilal Philips, Usool Al-Hadeeth, p.39.
[3] ibn Sa'd al-Baghdadi. The Book of the Major Classes, Volume 3. Translated by Bewley, A. (2013). The Companions of Badr, p. 376. London: Ta-Ha Publishers
[4] Muhammad ibn Umar al-Waqidi. Kitab al-Maghazi. Translated by Faizer, R., Ismail, A., & Tayob, A. K. (2011). The Life of Muhammad, pp. 86-87. London & New York: Routledge
[5] Ibn Abi Hatim, vol.4 pt.1 p.21
[6] al-Dhahbi, Mizan, vol.3 p.110
[7] Ibn Hajr al-‘Asqalani, Tahdhib al-Tahdhib, vol.9 p.366 No.604, Hyderabad, 1326 A.H.cf. Yusuf ‘Abbas Hashmi, Zaynab bint Jahash, ‘Islamic Culture’ vol.XLI, No.1, Hyderabad (India), 1967
[8] al-Dhahbi, Mizan, vol.3 p.110
[9] Ibid., p.111
[10] Ibid. p.110,
Ibn Abi Hatim, vol.4 pt.1. p.21
[11] Ibn Abi Hatim, p.21
[12] Ibn Hajr, Tahdhib, vol.9, p.366, No.604 cf. Hashmi
[13] Ibid., p.366
Ibn Abi Hatim, p.21
[14] al-Dhahbi, Mizan, p.110
[15] Ibid., p.110
Ibn Hajr, Tahdhib, p.366 cf. Hashmi
[16] al-Dhahbi, Mizan, vol.3, p.110
[17] Ibn Hajr, Taqrib al-Tahdhib, vol.2, p.194, Cairo, 1960
[19] Ibn Abi Hatim, vol.4, pt.1, p.21
[20] Ibn Hajr, Tahdhib, vol.9, p.366 cf. Hashmi
[21] Silsilat Al-Ahadeeth Ad-Da'ifah #6013.
[22] Majmu’ Al-Fatawa 13/346

ThatMuslimGuy
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AsalamuAlaikum,

The Full article : http://quran-errors.weebly.com/the-authenticity-of-the-story-regarding-asma-bint-marwan.html

The story is not authentic according to Al-Albani [1], Abdul Malik [2], Al Jawzi [3], Ibn Adi [4] and others.

The chain of transmission in Ibn Ishaqs account is:

Muhammad ibn Ibrahim al-Shami → Muhammad ibn al-Hajjaj al-Lakhmi → Mujalid ibn Sa’ed → Al-Shu'abi → Ibn ‘Abbas

Muhammad ibn al-Hajjaj is a narrator is known for fabricating hadeeth. Hence Al-Albani said this is not authentic [5] alongside Al-Jawzi [6] and Ibn Adi said: "...this isnad (chain of reporters) is not narrated on authority of Mujalid but by Muhammad ibn al-Hajjaj al-Lakhmi and they all (other reporters in the chain) accuse Muhammad Ibn Al-Hajjaj of forging it" [7]

Regarding Muhammad Ibn Al-Hajjaj : Al-Bukhari said: "his hadith is abandoned", [8] Yahya Ibn Ma'een said: "compulsive liar" and once said: "not trustworthy".[9] Ad-Daraqutni denounced him as a liar.[10]

Ibn Taymiyyah writes:

قَدْ نَصَبَ اللَّهُ الْأَدِلَّةَ عَلَى بَيَانِ مَا فِيهَا مِنْ صَحِيحٍ وَغَيْرِهِ وَمَعْلُومٌ أَنَّ الْمَنْقُولَ فِي التَّفْسِيرِ أَكْثَرُهُ كَالْمَنْقُولِ فِي الْمَغَازِي وَالْمَلَاحِمِ وَلِهَذَا قَالَ الْإِمَامُ أَحْمَد ثَلَاثَةُ أُمُورٍ لَيْسَ لَهَا إسْنَادٌ التَّفْسِيرُ وَالْمَلَاحِمُ وَالْمَغَازِي وَيُرْوَى لَيْسَ لَهَا أَصْلٌ أَيْ إسْنَادٌ لِأَنَّ الْغَالِبَ عَلَيْهَا
الْمَرَاسِيلُ مِثْلُ مَا يَذْكُرُهُ عُرْوَةُ بْنُ الزُّبَيْرِ وَالشَّعْبِيُّ وَالزُّهْرِيُّ وَمُوسَى بْنُ عُقْبَةَ وَابْنُ إسْحَاقَ

Allah has provided evidence establishing the authenticity or lack thereof for the narrations that are necessary in matters of the religion. It is well-known that most of what is reported in books of exegesis is similar to what is reported in books of history and battles. For this reason, Imam Ahmad said that three matters are not reliable: exegesis, stories of battles, and history. These matters are narrated without a basis or chain of narration from those who omit narrators such as what is mentioned from Urwah ibn Az-Zubair, Ash-Sha’bi, Az-Zuhri, Musa ibn Uqbah, and Ibn Ishaq. [11]

The chain of transmission from Ibn Sa'id is:

Ibn Sa'd → Al-Waqidi → 'Abd Allah ibn al-Harith ibn al-Fudayl → Al-Harith ibn al-Fudayl

Al-Albani declared this to be inauthentic [12]. This is due to Al-Waqidi being in the chain. He is an unauthentic reporter:

1. al-Shafi’i (d. 204 A.H.):All the books of al-Waqidi are lies. In Madinah there were seven men who used to fabricator authorities, one of which was al-Waqidi.[13]

2. Ahmad ibn Hanbal (d. 241 A.H.):He is a liar, makes alternations in the traditions.[14]

3. al-Nasa’i (d. 303 A.H.):The liars known for fabricating the Hadith of the Messenger of Allah are four. They are: Arba’ah b. Abi Yahya in Madinah, al-Waqidi in Baghdad, Muqatil b. Sulayman in Khurasan and Muhammad bin Sa’id in Syria.[15]

4. al-Bukhari (d. 256 A.H.):al-Waqidi has been abandoned in Hadith. He fabricates Hadith.[16]

5. al-Dhahbi (d. 748 A.H.):Consensus has taken place on the weakness of al-Waqidi.[17]

6. Yahya ibn Ma’in (d. 233 A.H.):He is weak. He is nothing. Not reliable![18]

7. Ishaq ibn Rahwiyah (d. 238 A.H.):According to my view, he is one of those who fabricate Hadith.[19]

8. Abu Dawud (d. 275 A.H.):I do not write his Hadith and I do not report (Hadith) on his authority. I have no doubt that he used to make up Hadith.[20]

9. Ibn Abi Hatim al-Razi (d. 277 A.H.):He fabricates Hadith. We have abandoned his Hadith.[21]

10. al-Darqutni (d. 385 A.H.):There is weakness in him (in his reporting).[22]

11. ‘Ali ibn Madyani (d. 241 A.H.):He fabricates Hadith.[23]

12. Ibn ‘Adi (d. 365 A.H.):His traditions are not safe and there is danger from him (in accepting his traditions).[24]

13. Ibn Hajr (d. 852 A.H.):He has been abandoned in spite of vastness of his knowledge.[25]

14. Abu Zar’ah al-Razi (d. 264 A.H.):Abandoned, Weak![26]

15. al-Nawawi (d. 676 A.H.):Their (muhaddithin’) consensus is that al-Waqidi is weak.[27]

16. Al-Albani said: Al-Waqidi is a liar [28]

Also the chain is Mu'dal (discontinued) as Al-Harith Ibn Fudayl never met any of the Prophets companions [29]

So in conclusion this story is not authentic and is fabricated.

References:
[1] Silsilat Al-Ahadeeth Ad-Da'ifah #6013.
[2] Sahih Sirah Al-Nibawiyah pp.335-336.
[3] Al-'Ilal p.175
[4] Al-Kāmil fī al-ḍuʻafāʼ wa-ʻilal al-ḥadīth p.326
[5]Silsilat Al-Ahadeeth Ad-Da'ifah #6013.
[6]Al-'Ilal p.175
[7]Al-Kāmil fī al-ḍuʻafāʼ wa-ʻilal al-ḥadīth p.326
[8]Silsilat Al-Ahadeeth Ad-Da'ifah #6013.
[9]Silsilat Al-Ahadeeth Ad-Da'ifah #6013.
[10]Silsilat Al-Ahadeeth Ad-Da'ifah #6013.
[11] Majmu’ Al-Fatawa 13/346
[12] Silsilat Al-Ahadeeth Ad-Da'ifah #6013.
[13] Ibn Abi Hatim, vol.4 pt.1 p.21[14 al-Dhahbi, Mizan, vol.3 p.110
[15] Ibn Hajr al-‘Asqalani, Tahdhib al-Tahdhib, vol.9 p.366 No.604, Hyderabad, 1326 A.H.cf. Yusuf ‘Abbas Hashmi, Zaynab bint Jahash, ‘Islamic Culture’ vol.XLI, No.1, Hyderabad (India), 1967
[16] al-Dhahbi, Mizan, vol.3 p.110
[17] Ibid., p.111
[18] Ibid. p.110,
Ibn Abi Hatim, vol.4 pt.1. p.21
[19] Ibn Abi Hatim, p.21
[20] Ibn Hajr, Tahdhib, vol.9, p.366, No.604 cf. Hashmi
[21] Ibid., p.366
Ibn Abi Hatim, p.21
[22] al-Dhahbi, Mizan, p.110
[23] Ibid., p.110
Ibn Hajr, Tahdhib, p.366 cf. Hashmi
[24] al-Dhahbi, Mizan, vol.3, p.110
[25] Ibn Hajr, Taqrib al-Tahdhib, vol.2, p.194, Cairo, 1960
[26] Ibn Abi Hatim, vol.4, pt.1, p.21
[27] Ibn Hajr, Tahdhib, vol.9, p.366 cf. Hashmi
[28] Silsilat Al-Ahadeeth Ad-Da'ifah #6013.
[29]Silsilat Al-Ahadeeth Ad-Da'ifah #6013.


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MuslimGuy, clarify this issue please


When Safiya came to the Holy Prophet (pbuh), he said to her; ‘Among the Jews your father did not stop in his enmity towards me until Allah destroyed him.’ She said: ‘O Allah’s Messenger! Indeed Allah says in His book, ‘No one will take anyone else’s burden’. So the Holy Prophet (PBUH) said to her: ‘Make your choice, if you will chose Islam I’ll select you for myself and if you chose Judaism, I’ll set you free and send you to your people.’ She said; ‘O Allah’s Messenger indeed I longed for Islam and testified for you even before you gave me this invitation when I came to you. I have no guardian among the Jews, neither father nor brother and I prefer Islam over disbelief. Allah and His Messenger are dear to me then freedom and to return to my people.” (Ibn Saad 8/123)


Now the critics are saying that Quran was not written in Book form at that time but Saffiyah uses the word "Book" so it means that Ibn/Saad is not authentic and they are telling me to read Ibn/Ishaq.. How to respond this nonsense?

Lest one should doubt this narration as to how did Sayyidah Safiya (RA) know before embracing Islam that Allah says in His book ‘No one will take anyone else’s burden’, it needs to be clarified that even in the Jewish scriptures the same is mentioned e.g. in Ezekial 18: 20 and it is comprehendible that she coming from a Jewish background knew it.

http://www.letmeturnthetables.com/2009/11/slanders-regarding-holy-prophets-pbuh.html

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / THE QURAN AND SEMEN PRODUCTION
« on: December 31, 2014, 04:24:37 PM »
AsalamuAlaikum,

A new article I wrote: THE QURAN AND SEMEN PRODUCTION V 1.0 : http://quran-errors.weebly.com/the-quran-and-semen-production.html

ThatMuslimGuy
http://quran-errors.weebly.com/

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AsalamuAlaikum,

The Full Article: http://quran-errors.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/requran-scientific-error-mountains-as.html

Formerly, it was thought that mountains were merely protrusions rising above the surface of the Earth. However, scientists realised that this was not actually the case, and that those parts known as the mountain root extended down as far as 10-15 times their own height.

Mountains emerge as a result of the movements and collisions of massive plates forming the Earth's crust. When two plates collide, the stronger one slides under the other, the one on the top bends and forms heights and mountains. The layer beneath proceeds under the ground and makes a deep extension downward. Consequently mountains have a portion stretching downwards, as large as their visible parts on the Earth.

A book entitled Earth is a basic reference textbook in many universities around the world. One of its two authors is Geophysist Professor Emeritus Frank Press. He was the Science Advisor to former US President Jimmy Carter, and for 12 years was the President of the National Academy of Sciences, Washington, DC. His book says that mountains have underlying roots. [1] Another book entitled "How do Mountains form" by Terry A.Hicks also states that mountains have deep roots [2] This is also found in many other sources. [3]

If one takes a look through Academic Sources one finds Geologists speaking about the roots of mountains. For example varying Geologists write:

A three or four mile-high mountain might project a root structure of continental crust thirty or forty miles deep into the surrounding mantle of the Earth. [4]

Cailleux writes:

This shaft of mountain-root serves to support the weight of the overlying mountain, thereby establishing equilibrium or, in the language of the geologist, an isostasy. [5]

Tarbuck and Lutgens write:

The existence of these roots has been confirmed by seismic and gravitational data. [6]
Frank Press and Raymond Silver write:

Continents float because the large volume of less dense continental crust that projects into the denser mantle provides the buoyancy, as shown in Figure 19.6. Note that the crust is thicker under a mountain because a deeper root is needed to float the additional weight of the mountain. [7]

...Isostasy also implies that as a large mountain range forms, it slowly sinks under gravity and the crust bends downward. When enough of a root bulges into the mantle, the mountain floats. [8]

They also write:

Relatively light continental crust projecting into the denser mantle serves as a buoyant root providing "floatation" for the continent. The root is deeper under mountains, where flotation is required to support the heavier load, in accordance with the principle of isostasy. [9]

... The collision of India and Asia is a good example. In this case, the Eurasion Plate is overiding the Indian Plate, creating double thickness of crust and forming the highest mountain range in the world, the Himalayas. The Himalayas are supported isostatically by a crustal root projecting into the denser mantle below. [10]

Brian J.Skimmer and Stephen C.Porter write:

In profile (Fig.16.8b), the crust beneath the mountains resembles icebergs with high peaks, but with massive roots below the waterline. The accuracy of this analogy is demonstrated by the gravity profile across the United States, shown in Figure 16.18c. Negative gravity anomalies are observed where the crust is thickest. The anomalies are caused by the roots of low-density rock beneath the mountains. [11]

 ... Mountains stand high and have roots beneath them because they are comprised of low-density rocks and are supported by the buoyancy of weak, easily deformed but more dense rocks below. [12]

... The negative gravity anomalies over the Sierra, the Rockies, and the Appalachians are due to the roots of low-density rocks beneath these topographic highs. [13]

... Sometimes it is observed that a mountain has too little root for its mass; sometimes, as in the seafloor trenches, it is observed that low density crust has been dragged down to form a root without a mountain mass above it. [14]

The root below the ancient, deeply eroded Appalachians is smaller than the root beneath the younger and high Sierra. [15]

 Under the sub-chapter 13.2 “How do we know mountains have roots?”  academic geologists Gary Smith and Aurora Pun write:

“Airy’s hypothesis predicts that the base of the crust is deepest beneath areas of highest elevation; in other words, mountains should have roots in the mantle…Seismic data demonstrate the presence of thick roots of crust projecting downward into the mantle beneath mountains as predicted by Airy’s model. “ [16]
Christina Reed writes:
Alfred Wegener favoured a combination of the different models. Wegener relied on a thin, dense ocean crust and less dense mountains with deep roots to support the theory of continental drift. [17]
She also writes:
Airy's model suggested that the Himalayas had mountainous roots of material creating a gravitational deficit of low density material... [18]
Kurt Stuwe writes:
Airy estimated that the density of the crust is largely the same in all continental regions and therefore concluded that topographically higher regions, must be compensated by crustal roots at depth. The models of Airy and Pratt still bear their names. Seismic studies in many mountain belts show that most regions of high surface elevation are indeed compensated by significant roots at depth. [19]
Dr Ted Nield writes in response to the question "When did we first find out that mountains had roots...":
Mountains, Airy said, exert less gravitational pull than they should do because they have roots. Their less dense material extends down into the planet, in whose denser interior they float like icebergs in water. Continental masses, Airy said, stand high above the ocean floor because they are buoyant; in their case, floating in a substrate of denser rock. They stand proud, but only because they have much larger roots below. Mountains are higher than plains for the same reason that big icebergs stand taller than small ones. [20]
In another scientific text, the structure of mountains is described as follows:
Where continents are thicker, as in mountain ranges, the crust sinks deeper into the mantle. [21]
Professor Siaveda, a world-renowned underwater geologist, made the following comment in reference to the way that mountains have root-like stalks attaching them to the surface:
The fundamental difference between continental mountains and the oceanic mountains lies in its material... But the common denominator on both mountains are that they have roots to support the mountains. In the case of continental mountains, light-low density material from the mountain is extended down into the earth as a root. In the case of oceanic mountains, there is also light material supporting the mountain as a root... Therefore, the function of the roots are to support the mountains according to the law of Archimedes. [22]
M.J.Selby writes:
G.B Airy in 1855 suggested that the crust of the earth could be likened to rafts of timber floating on water. Thick pieces of timber float higher above the water surface than thin pieces and similarly thick sections of the earth's crust will float on a liquid or plastic substratum of greater density. Airy was suggesting that mountains have a deep root of lower density rock which the plains lack. Four years after Airy published his work, J.H Pratt offered an alternative hypothesis... By this hypothesis rock columns below mountains must have a lower density, because of their greater length, than shorter rock columns beneath plains. Both Airy and Pratt's hypothesis imply that surface irregularities are balanced by differences in density of rocks below the major features (mountains and plains) of the crust. This state of balance is described as the concept of Isostasy. [23]
Karen M.Fisher in an article found on Nature and other sources writes:
When mountains form through the collision of lithospheric plates, uplift of the Earth's surface is accompanied by thickening of the crust, and the buoyancy of these deep crustal roots (relative to the surrounding mantle) is thought to contribute to the support of mountain topography. Once active tectonism ceases, continuing erosion will progressively wear away surface relief. Here I provide new constraints on how crustal roots respond to erosional unloading over very long timescales. In old collisional mountain belts, ratios of surface relief to the thickness of the underlying crustal root are observed to be smaller than in young mountains. On the basis of gravity data, this trend is best explained by a decrease in the buoyancy of the crustal root with greater age since the most recent mountain-building episode—which is consistent with metamorphic reactions 1, 2 produced by long-term cooling. An approximate balance between mountain and root mass anomalies suggests that the continental lithosphere remains weak enough to permit exhumation of crustal roots in response to surface erosion for hundreds of millions of years. The amount of such uplift, however, appears to be significantly reduced by progressive loss of root buoyancy.
Processes such as lithospheric delamination and rifting may strip away the crustal roots of some collisional mountain regions, but substantial crustal roots have survived in many mountain belts over hundreds of millions to billions of years. Unless the lithosphere is mechanically very rigid, post-tectonic erosion of mass from the surface should be accompanied by some uplift of a buoyant crustal root and inflow of mantle. If the lithosphere is very weak, the region should be in local isostatic equilibrium, and the net change in mass over time would be zero. To examine how mountain crustal roots evolve over time, surface relief, crustal thickness and gravity data were compared in young collisional mountain belts and in old orogens where some crustal root is preserved. Crustal thickness was constrained seismically, primarily by refraction and reflection studies but in a few cases by teleseismic receiver function and surface wave analyses. [24]
Karen M.Fisher's articles countlessly speak about Mountain roots.

Balter H. Bucher writes in an article on Nature:
A hundred years after Bouguer's discovery the English astronomer George B. Airy, having measured the gravitative deficiency of the Himalaya Mountains, suggested the correct explanation: the rocks beneath a mountain belt have a lower density than their surroundings. He postulated that below a mountain belt the light granite rock of the outer crust extends far down into the heavier underlying basalt. From this suggestion came the theory that mountains have "roots." Airy suggested that the young mountains and their "roots" float in their environment like icebergs in water, the lighter mountains projecting higher than the heavier ones.
... What is more remarkable is that the discrepancy grows larger as the elevation of the range increases; it reaches a maximum at the crest. This indeed suggests the existence of a mountain "root." Seismic studies provide a clinching proof. At deep levels of the crust beneath the Eastern Alps earthquake waves travel at a noticeably slower rate than at comparably deep levels in other regions, indicating that the light, low-velocity rocks here extend far down to levels normally occupied by denser rocks. In other words, the Alps do have a granitic root.
... the process of lateral compression of the crust which forms mountains forces the granitic part of the crust downward to form a solid root and upward to invade the thick sediments of the mountain forming belt as molten rock. [25]
...Compression of these belts drew out the sediment filled furrows into roots of mountains, and set in motion the physical and chemical processes that transformed part of the sediments into metamorphic rocks and ultimately into granite. [26]
David James writes in an article found on Nature:
Active mountain belts have crustal 'roots' that gravitationally balance the high topography. [27]
Peter Molner writes in "The Structure of Mountain ranges" an article found on Nature:
Airy assumed that the crust is of uniform density but that it is thicker under mountain ranges: like icebergs, mountains are supported by deep roots of buoyant material. [28]
Amy Whitchurch writes in an article found on Nature:
During the simulated plate collision, the crust thickens to create a high mountain range at the surface, while a deep crustal root forms below. Because the pressures at depth are higher, the root undergoes metamorphism and is transformed into eclogite, an unusually dense rock type. The eclogitic root is denser than the underlying mantle, so it sinks further into the mantle. This, in turn, causes localized deformation at the surface above the root, and promotes further crustal thickening and further eclogitization. [29]
These roots are deeply embedded in the ground, thus, mountains have a shape like a peg/stake (see figures 1, 2, 3.4 and 5).


Figure 1: Mountains have deep roots under the surface of the ground. (Earth, Press and Siever, p. 413.)


Figure 2: Schematic section. The mountains, like pegs, have deep roots embedded in the ground. (Anatomy of the Earth, Cailleux, p. 220.)


Figure 3: Another illustration shows how the mountains are peg-like in shape, due to their deep roots. (Earth Science, Tarbuck and Lutgens, p. 158.)


Figure 4: Isostacy: mountain masses deflect a pendulum away from the vertical, but not as much as might be expected. In the diagram, the vertical position is shown by (a); if the mountain were simply a load resting on a uniform crust, it ought to be deflected to (c). However because it has a deep of relatively non-dense rocks, the observed deflection is only to (b). Picture courtesy of Building Planet Earth, Cattermole pg. 35

Figure 5
The eye of man sees nothing more than the relatively small nubbin of a mountain, while a forty-mile shaft of Earth's crust lies invisibly embedded in the deeper, plastic asthenosphere, much like the head of a nail peeking above the surface of a block of wood, riding upon an imperceptible shaft of steel.

Or like a peg.

This is how the Quran has described mountains:

 Have We not made the earth a resting place, and the mountains as pegs/stakes?  (Quran, 78:6-7)

Modern earth sciences have proven that mountains have deep roots under the surface of the ground (see figures 1,2,3,4 and 5) and that these roots can reach several times their elevations above the surface of the ground. [30] Thus the word peg/stake is an accurate description for them.

Dr. Zaghlouul El-Naggar, who has a PHD in Geology from the University of Wales, writes:
That mountains are not just the lofty elevations seen on the surface of the Earth, but their downward extensions in the Earth’s lithosphere (in the form of pegs or pickets) is highly emphasized. In as much as most of the picket (or peg) is hidden in either soil or rock to hold one end of the tent to the ground surface, most of the mountain must be hidden in the Earth’s lithosphere. The term “picket” or “peg” is both literally and scientifically more correct than the term “root” which is currently used for mountains.  [31]


Mount Everest (pictured above),the height of which is approximately 9 km above ground, has a root deeper than 125 km. [32] So the most suitable word to describe mountains on the basis of this information is the word ‘peg/stake,’ since most of a properly set peg/stake is hidden under the surface of the ground. The history of science tells us that the theory of mountains having deep roots  was introduced only in the latter half of the nineteenth century [33] or the beginning of the 20th century. [34]

So in conclusion the Qurans statement is scientifically correct.


References:
[1] Earth, Press and Siever, p. 435. Also see Earth Science, Tarbuck and Lutgens, p. 157.
[2] Terry A. Hicks, How Do Mountains Form?
[3]Earth Science, Tarbuck and Lutgens
Physical Geology, Brian J.Skimmer and Stephen C.Porter
How Does the Earth Work? Physical Geology and the Process of Science. Second Edition. Pearson. 2010
Earth Science, Christina Reed, Willian J.Cannom,
Geodynamics of the Lithosphere, Kurt Stuwe, 2nd Edition, Springer
M. J. Selby, Earth's Changing Surface
[4]Press, Frank and Raymond Siever. 1982. Earth. 3rd ed. San Francisco: W. H. Freeman and Co. p. 435; Cailleux, Andre. 1968. Anatomy of the Earth. New York: McGraw-Hill Book Company. Translated by J.Moody Stuart. pp. 218-222; Tarbuck, Edward J. and Frederick K. Lutgens. 1982. p. 158.
[5] Cailleux, Andre. 1968. Anatomy of the Earth. New York: McGraw-Hill Book Company. Translated by J.Moody Stuart p.222.
[6] Tarbuck, Edward j. and Frederick K. Lutgens. 1982. Earth Science. 3rd ed. Columbus: Charles E. Merril Publishing Company. p. 157.
[7] Earth, Press and Siever, 2nd Edition, p. 490
[8] Earth, Press and Siever, 2nd Edition, p. 490
[9] Earth, Press and Siever, 2nd Edition, p. 489
[10] Earth, Press and Siever, 2nd Edition, p. 512
[11] Physical Geology, Brian J.Skimmer and Stephen C.Porter, p.469
[12] Physical Geology, Brian J.Skimmer and Stephen C.Porter, p.469
[13]Physical Geology, Brian J.Skimmer and Stephen C.Porter, p.459
[14]Physical Geology, Brian J.Skimmer and Stephen C.Porter, p.471
[15]Physical Geology, Brian J.Skimmer and Stephen C.Porter, p.471
[16]How Does the Earth Work? Physical Geology and the Process of Science. Second Edition. Pearson. 2010, pp. 306 – 307.
[17]Earth Science, Christina Reed, Willian J.Cannom, p.39
[18]Earth Science, Christina Reed, Willian J.Cannom, p.40
[19]Geodynamics of the Lithosphere, Kurt Stuwe, 2nd Edition, Springer, p.164
[20] Retrieved from http://www.geolsoc.org.uk/Education-and-Careers/Ask-a-Geologist/Continents-Supercontinents-and-the-Earths-Crust/Mountain-Roots  on 18/10/2013 at 19:49
[21] Carolyn Sheets, Robert Gardner, and Samuel F. Howe, General Science (Newton, MA: Allyn and Bacon Inc.: 1985), 305.
[22] www.beconvinced.com/science/QURANMOUNTAIN.htm.
[23] M. J. Selby, Earth's Changing Surface (Oxford: Clarendon Press: 1985), 32
[24] Retrieved from http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v417/n6892/full/nature00855.html  on 18/10/2013 at 19:53
[25]The Crust of the Earth, Walter H.Bucher, p. 35 Retreived from http://www.nature.com/scientificamerican/journal/v182/n5/pdf/scientificamerican0550-32.pdf  on 18/10/2013 at 19:56
[26]The Crust of the Earth, Walter H.Bucher, p. 41 Retreived from http://www.nature.com/scientificamerican/journal/v182/n5/pdf/scientificamerican0550-32.pdf  on 18/10/2013 at 19:56
[27] Retrieved from http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v417/n6892/full/417911a.html on 28/10/2013 at 19:58
[28] Retrieved from http://www.nature.com/scientificamerican/journal/v255/n1/pdf/scientificamerican0786-70.pdf on 18/10/2013 at 20:00. p.72
[29] Geodynamics: Dense mountain roots, Amy Whitchurch, Nature Publication Group. She references Earth Planet. Sci. Lett. 361, 195–207 (2013). Retreived at http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v6/n2/full/ngeo1724.html on 18/10/2013 at 20:05
[30]The Geological Concept of Mountains in the Quran, El-Naggar, p. 5
[31]The Geological Concept of Mountains in the Quran, El-Naggar, p. 7
[32]  www.wamy.co.uk/announcements3.html, from an address by Prof. Zighloul Raghib El-Naggar.
[33]The Geological Concept of Mountains in the Quran, El-Naggar, p. 5
[34]Naomi Oreskes, Plate Tectonics: An Insider’s History Of The Modern Theory Of The Earth

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AsalamuAlaikum,

Full article: http://quran-errors.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/does-quran-say-earth-orbits-sun.html

Does the Quran say the Sun orbits the Earth?
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Many verses of the Quran speak about the orbit of the Sun. For example:



21:33

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21:33
Sahih International
And it is He who created the night and the day and the sun and the moon; all [heavenly bodies] in an orbit are swimming.
Muhsin Khan
And He it is Who has created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon, each in an orbit floating.


36:38

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36:38
Muhsin Khan
And the sun runs on its fixed course for a term (appointed). That is the Decree of the All-Mighty, the All-Knowing.
Yusuf Ali
And the sun runs his course for a period determined for him: that is the decree of (Him), the Exalted in Might, the All-Knowing.

None of the verses in the Quran state that the Sun orbits the Earth. All the Quranic verses simply detail two things:

1. That the Sun is moving.
2. That it has an orbit.

These two statements are what match with scientific facts.

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The Sun is currently traveling through the Local Interstellar Cloud (near to the G-cloud) in the Local Bubble zone, within the inner rim of the Orion Arm of the Milky Way. Of the 50 nearest stellar systems within 17 light-years from Earth (the closest being a red dwarf named Proxima Centauri at approximately 4.2 light-years away), the Sun ranks fourth in mass. The Sun orbits the center of the Milky Way at a distance of approximately 24000–26000 light-years from the galactic center, completing one clockwise orbit, as viewed from the galactic north pole, in about 225–250 million years. [1]

Although many people quote these Quranic verses, they contain no references to the Sun orbiting the Earth.

References:
[1] Wikipedia article. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun

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