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Quran Morality and Moral Code, Laws & QA / Re: QURA'N AND SLAVERY :
« Last post by Shabeer1 on November 16, 2019, 11:19:58 AM »
Thanks  bro  for the  additional  information 
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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Recent attack on Quran
« Last post by QuranSearchCom on November 16, 2019, 09:09:38 AM »
Wa Alaikum As'salam,

There is no proof that they've never been to Egypt.  And one can easily say something about a place even if he/she never visited it, especially if the common people's experiences and opinions about the place are the same.  People formulate stereotypes based on patterns and experiences.  For example, you can tell an individual to not go to a certain ghetto area, because it has high crime rate and he'd be in grave danger.  You don't necessarily have to experience this danger yourself, or lose a loved one, to formulate this opinion.  You can formulate this opinion based on a plethora of solid facts, patterns and experiences from other people.  The same can be said about a prosperous and safe place.  Everyone in the world wants to migrate to the USA because it is a land filled with the greatest opportunities, and it is technologically the most advanced country on earth.  Yet, the vast majority of them have never been here before.

In any case, I trust Allah Almighty over their conjectures and lies.  Also, if Allah Almighty said it in the Glorious Quran, then this means the Almighty has inspired the parents to say it.  I trust the Glorious Quran.  It is the only True Divine Book of Allah Almighty on earth today.  All else are corrupt.  The Glorious Quran is filled with scientific, numerical, historical and archeological miracles that prove its Divinity as Allah Almighty also said in the holy Book:

www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links

So I'd take the Holy Quran's account over anything else.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah
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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Recent attack on Quran
« Last post by Isa27James on November 16, 2019, 07:07:23 AM »
Assalam Alykam

I recently returned back to debating hostile Christians
And they attack Sūrah Yūsuf verse 99

And when they entered upon Joseph, he took his parents to himself and said, "Enter Egypt, Allah willing, safe [and secure]."


They say his parents never came to Egypt and died before hand?

Any refutation to this ?
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As'salamu Alaikum dear brother Dawud and Idris,

Jazakum Allah Khayr for your research.

Brother Dawud, I have saved and uploaded your images to the website and re-linked them in your post to permanently preserve them with this website, insha'Allah.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah
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Wa aleikum as-salam wa rahmatullahi wa baraketuh,

I apologize for my late response! Yes, I will get to this discussion insha'Allah but from what I see, our brother Ijaz Ahmad either didn't understood well my research or he simply didn't read it entirely and/or didn't took into account all of the information related e.g. to the issue concerning the so-called "iotacism" which was a problematic one among the Septuagint experts themselves (like Alfred Rahlfs). According to traditional Islamic stories about prophets, it appears that this illiterate from Isaiah 29:12 was ORIGINALLY identified as "Ahmad" and he was connected directly with the character universally known as the "Servant of God" who is described in Isaiah 42 (Ibn Asakir recorded one naration from Ka'b al-Ahbar who found the name Ahmad being ascribed to this servant... in some Yemeni or probably Syriac version of Isaiah that available to him at that time). Besides that, there is a lot of other details which consequently lead in this direction supporting my argument about Ahmad who was originally mentioned in Isaiah as the ultimate redemptive figure but the last editors of the Hebrew Bible restructured the text and changed the whole prophetic narratives in favor of Israel (so they put Jacob/Israel insted of Ahmad!).

Anyway, perhaps the real reason Brother Idjaz Ahmad opposes my research is because he don't believe at all that Isaiah 29:12 is a prophecy about Prophet Mohammed (SAAW) because of the negative context in which the illiterate is put and because no early Muslim scholar ever has quoted the text of Isaiah 29:12 with respect to Prophet Mohammed (SAAW). The first one who started this argumentation was probably Ahmad Deedat.

I will try to enter the discussion in FB as soon as possible insha'Allah.


name Ahmad or Ahmod is found in Isaiah in dead sea scrolls, look here


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hebrew bible


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Word Ahmad in bible

אחמד Ahmad

Bible in hebrew Isaiah 42
http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt1042.htm

DSS orginal manuscripts
http://dss.collections.imj.org.il/isaiah#42:1

freetranslation
https://www.freetranslation.com/


and i made this phtoo also, beacuse we need to compare word HIra with other words which corrector Cb3 tried to connect with, when you compare these obviosly it looks like he tried to correct it to match word Heiras


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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Exorcism of the Syrophoenician
« Last post by QuranSearchCom on November 12, 2019, 05:02:20 AM »
No issues at all, dear brother Shaad :).  Jazaka Allah Khayr.  You are welcome.
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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Exorcism of the Syrophoenician
« Last post by shaad on November 11, 2019, 10:05:08 PM »
Sorry was offline...thank you brother Osama
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Wa aleikum as-salam wa rahmatullahi wa baraketuh,

I apologize for my late response! Yes, I will get to this discussion insha'Allah but from what I see, our brother Ijaz Ahmad either didn't understood well my research or he simply didn't read it entirely and/or didn't took into account all of the information related e.g. to the issue concerning the so-called "iotacism" which was a problematic one among the Septuagint experts themselves (like Alfred Rahlfs). According to traditional Islamic stories about prophets, it appears that this illiterate from Isaiah 29:12 was ORIGINALLY identified as "Ahmad" and he was connected directly with the character universally known as the "Servant of God" who is described in Isaiah 42 (Ibn Asakir recorded one naration from Ka'b al-Ahbar who found the name Ahmad being ascribed to this servant... in some Yemeni or probably Syriac version of Isaiah that available to him at that time). Besides that, there is a lot of other details which consequently lead in this direction supporting my argument about Ahmad who was originally mentioned in Isaiah as the ultimate redemptive figure but the last editors of the Hebrew Bible restructured the text and changed the whole prophetic narratives in favor of Israel (so they put Jacob/Israel insted of Ahmad!).

Anyway, perhaps the real reason Brother Idjaz Ahmad opposes my research is because he don't believe at all that Isaiah 29:12 is a prophecy about Prophet Mohammed (SAAW) because of the negative context in which the illiterate is put and because no early Muslim scholar ever has quoted the text of Isaiah 29:12 with respect to Prophet Mohammed (SAAW). The first one who started this argumentation was probably Ahmad Deedat.

I will try to enter the discussion in FB as soon as possible insha'Allah.
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No problem akhi. I have sent you my latest update to the section Evidence #1. This time I have added few articles and books written by scholars that confirms the spelling of Hira in its Greek transliterated form Χιρά. A very important info!

Did you actually opened the last file with my updates to Evidence #1 ?

Salam brother , i started a topic about this on FB and this brother Ijaz Ahamad, who is a debator with christians, tried to disprove your fiding, what can you say, can you get into the discussion on facebook with this brother if you have better argument than i have



our discussion on Facebook
https://www.facebook.com/groups/130763117665481/596541127754342/?comment_id=597107107697744&reply_comment_id=597152174359904&notif_id=1572896796394919&notif_t=group_comment_mention
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So. As the subject describes. this will be directed towards Atheists mainly rather than Christians or Jews or so on.

Alot of the times We are bought with the question by an atheist. Where is the evidence that the Prophet SAW. Did any of the miracles shown in the authentic hadith?.

The Answer to this is in the history of hadith. the hadiths about certain miracles are mutawaatir. They have been mass-reported and have a direct chain back to the Companions of the Prophet SAW and the Qurayshis who witnessed the miracles. So this is one witness evidence that indeed, something had have to happened in the time. Its almost impossible that Bukhari Rahimahullah, or his likes could even make up a lie. Throughout the 1400 years of Islamic history, we had multitudes of Medieval scholars ready to criticize and review the chains of each hadith. Which they did, Bukhari himself had a strict filtration process for his hadith. Its well known that if there was even one defect in a hadith, he would have thrown it out. So this is a witness evidence to The Prophet SAWs miracles. And history is judged by such kind of evidence because these are the best kind of evidences we have on history. many Historians dont ask for images or Extra-terrestrial evidences of such kind of events that happened in history, they judge by the consensus of each Report of a certain historical event that what is consolidated and what can we deem true? So a shared view is very important in Historical accounts.

We have questions about certain hadiths that, even if these were true, what if it was a hallucination, or what if It was a made up lie?

This question that we are asked concerning the miracles has two implied arguments.

A.) That The Prophet SAW's Companions were hallucinating
B.) They made the Miracles up for some narrative.

So A.) We can already deduce why this argument is a bad argument, its absurd. It wasnt just one companion who saw the Prophet SAW doing such miracles, it was the whole Tribe of Quraysh and the whole group of Companions. We see in the hadith and Quran about this. For example, the Idea that The Prophet SAW was a sahir(magician) Astaghfirullah. There was a reason why they called him such, The Quraysh were trying to find any excuse and way to try and thwarp the miracles and explain them off.

The Quran explains this too in Quran 54:2 "And if they see a miracle, they turn away and say, "Passing magic."

Even in the hadith

'He said: I met a person in Mecca who is on your religion and he claims that verily it is Allah Who has sent him. I said: What do the people say about him? He said: They say that he is a poet or a Kahin or a magician'
https://sunnah.com/muslim/44/189

B.) They made up a lie to create a narrative.

Now this is very very unlikely as such a huge lie and narrative would have some reports about such and such lies because this means they lied about the whole generation of 610-630 A.Ds. Which is very unlikely. This is also a extremely absurd claim.

In history, Lies were made for benefit and gain by people. what did the Companions gain from 'lying'? This limited them to prayers, bought them on the same level as slaves of the time, and it gave them faith. There are multiple hadiths outlining how a king is no different from a slave. so there was very little benefit or gain about 'lying'.
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