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Title: We all know that the Bible has been changed, but...
Post by: Isubmit2Allah on January 31, 2016, 05:55:02 AM
As-salaamu alaykum brothers and sisters. Hope you are all doing well.

Can somebody please explain to me this verse?

Revelation 14:6
Then I saw another angel flying in midair, and he had the ETERNAL GOSPEL to proclaim to those who live on the earth--to every nation, tribe, language and people.


JazakAllah Khair.
Title: Re: We all know that the Bible has been changed, but...
Post by: submit on February 02, 2016, 05:08:23 AM
its interesting as well to note that the content of 'eternal gospel' is in the next line:

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Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

the content do not indicate give glory to them , their judgement and they who made heaven. Evidently the eternal gospel is telling the Hellenistics believers to choose and fear one singular God not multi-gods. So it is up to the Hellenistics believers to choose whom among the three is worthy to be worshipped and feared.
Title: Re: We all know that the Bible has been changed, but...
Post by: QuranSearchCom on February 02, 2016, 11:55:18 AM
As-salaamu alaykum brothers and sisters. Hope you are all doing well.

Can somebody please explain to me this verse?

Revelation 14:6
Then I saw another angel flying in midair, and he had the ETERNAL GOSPEL to proclaim to those who live on the earth--to every nation, tribe, language and people.

JazakAllah Khair.

As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers,

Notice the following verses that speak about the GLORY OF GOD COMING FROM THE EAST (Arabia).  Notice also that it begins with "After this...", which is a new context altogether:

Revelation 7
144,000 Sealed
1 After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree.
2 Then I saw another angel coming up from the east, having the seal of the living God. He called out in a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm the land and the sea:
3 “Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.”
4 Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.

Now, we all know that the Glorious Quran calls Prophet Muhammad THE SEAL OF THE PROPHETS:

[033:040]  Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Apostle of God, and the Seal of the Prophets: and God has full knowledge of all things.

And Revelation 7 here says this Seal of GOD will come from the East.  Please visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/east.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1616.msg6412.html#msg6412



The White Horse Prophecy:

Also, Prophet Muhammad riding the White Horse Prophecy in the book of Revelation:

www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php?topic=2028.msg8760#msg8760



Notice also in Revelation 7 the mention of 144,000 saved Jews.  The Glorious Quran Says that A FEW OF THEM are good:

www.answering-christianity.com/blessed_jesus.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/islam.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/jews.htm

Now let's contrast Revelation 14 with all of this:

Revelation 14 (CEV) (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+14&version=CEV)
The Lamb and His 144,000 Followers
1 I looked and saw the Lamb standing on Mount Zion! With him were a hundred forty-four thousand, who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads.
2 Then I heard a sound from heaven that was like a roaring flood or loud thunder or even like the music of harps.

3 And a new song (The Quran?  IT CAN'T BE JESUS because the book of Revelation already came after him!!) was being sung in front of God’s throne and in front of the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn that song

(Yes, Muslims always say that the Arabic Quran is VERY COMPLEX!)

except the one hundred forty-four thousand who had been rescued from the earth.



4 All of these are pure virgins, and they follow the Lamb wherever he leads. They have been rescued to be presented to God and the Lamb as the most precious people on earth.
5 They never tell lies, and they are innocent.

The Messages of the Three Angels
6 I saw another angel. This one was flying across the sky and had the eternal good news (Quran?) to announce to the people of every race, tribe, language, and nation on earth.

7 The angel shouted, “Worship and honor God! The time has come for him to judge everyone. Kneel down before the one who created heaven and earth, the oceans, and every stream.”

(THIS STYLE AND LANGUAGE IS FAR CLOSER TO ISLAM THAN to the false trinity's language)

8 A second angel followed and said, “The great city of Babylon has fallen! (AMERICA, THE WEST AND THE ONE-EYED DAJJAL SYSTEM?) This is the city that made all nations drunk and immoral. Now God is angry, and Babylon has fallen.”

9 Finally, a third angel came and shouted:

Here is what will happen if you worship the beast and the idol and have the mark of the beast on your hand or forehead

(Are not America and the West planning on having physical chips on their subjects?  AND DOES NOT ISLAM SAY that KAFIR (INFIDEL) will be their mark?).

10 You will have to drink the wine that God gives to everyone who makes him angry. You will feel his mighty anger, and you will be tortured with fire and burning sulfur, while the holy angels and the Lamb look on.[/color]

It sounds like a Prophecy about Islam to me!  The New Gospel that will come from the EAST??  It is non other than the Glorious Quran.

Regards,
Osama Abdallah
Title: Re: We all know that the Bible has been changed, but...
Post by: Mohamed Saif on February 19, 2017, 06:42:22 AM
Assalamun Alaikum dear Osama

Do we have proof that 144000 Jews were saved in the Hadith from all 12 tribes of Israel?  I know that the Prophet had Jewish allies but did they add up to 144000? As fast as I know it was Jesus Christ who was called the "lamb". Our Prophet was never called the lamb.  Please shed some light on this

Thank you
Mohamed Saif
Title: Re: We all know that the Bible has been changed, but...
Post by: QuranSearchCom on February 20, 2017, 10:35:12 AM
As'salamu Alaikum dear brother Mohamed,

I am not sure what the number 144,000 means.  To me, it is a mystery.  It may not be a literal number.  And no, it is not referring to the number of Jews who were with Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, during his time.  It could refer to future ones that will embrace his Message, Islam, during a certain period.  I am not sure.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah
Title: Re: We all know that the Bible has been changed, but...
Post by: al-Ghazali on September 21, 2017, 07:23:42 PM
As-salaamu alaykum brothers and sisters. Hope you are all doing well.

Can somebody please explain to me this verse?

Revelation 14:6
Then I saw another angel flying in midair, and he had the ETERNAL GOSPEL to proclaim to those who live on the earth--to every nation, tribe, language and people.

JazakAllah Khair.

As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers,

Notice the following verses that speak about the GLORY OF GOD COMING FROM THE EAST (Arabia).  Notice also that it begins with "After this...", which is a new context altogether:

Revelation 7
144,000 Sealed
1 After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree.
2 Then I saw another angel coming up from the east, having the seal of the living God. He called out in a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm the land and the sea:
3 “Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.”
4 Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.

Now, we all know that the Glorious Quran calls Prophet Muhammad THE SEAL OF THE PROPHETS:

[033:040]  Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Apostle of God, and the Seal of the Prophets: and God has full knowledge of all things.

And Revelation 7 here says this Seal of GOD will come from the East.  Please visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/east.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1616.msg6412.html#msg6412



The White Horse Prophecy:

Also, Prophet Muhammad riding the White Horse Prophecy in the book of Revelation:

www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php?topic=2028.msg8760#msg8760



Notice also in Revelation 7 the mention of 144,000 saved Jews.  The Glorious Quran Says that A FEW OF THEM are good:

www.answering-christianity.com/blessed_jesus.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/islam.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/jews.htm

Now let's contrast Revelation 14 with all of this:

Revelation 14 (CEV) (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+14&version=CEV)
The Lamb and His 144,000 Followers
1 I looked and saw the Lamb standing on Mount Zion! With him were a hundred forty-four thousand, who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads.
2 Then I heard a sound from heaven that was like a roaring flood or loud thunder or even like the music of harps.

3 And a new song (The Quran?  IT CAN'T BE JESUS because the book of Revelation already came after him!!) was being sung in front of God’s throne and in front of the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn that song

(Yes, Muslims always say that the Arabic Quran is VERY COMPLEX!)

except the one hundred forty-four thousand who had been rescued from the earth.


  • ISAIAH 42 spoke about the "New Song":

    Isaiah 42 prophesied about:

    1-  The coming of the new Servant.
    2-  He will come from the people of Kedar.
    3-  Kedar was one of Ishamel's sons.
    4-  The new Servant will also come with the NEW COVENANT.
    5-  A new SONG will be sang.

    To see the passages, visit:
    www.answering-christianity.com/predict.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/sons_of_god_in_bible_and_quran_debate.htm

4 All of these are pure virgins, and they follow the Lamb wherever he leads. They have been rescued to be presented to God and the Lamb as the most precious people on earth.
5 They never tell lies, and they are innocent.

The Messages of the Three Angels
6 I saw another angel. This one was flying across the sky and had the eternal good news (Quran?) to announce to the people of every race, tribe, language, and nation on earth.

7 The angel shouted, “Worship and honor God! The time has come for him to judge everyone. Kneel down before the one who created heaven and earth, the oceans, and every stream.”

(THIS STYLE AND LANGUAGE IS FAR CLOSER TO ISLAM THAN to the false trinity's language)

8 A second angel followed and said, “The great city of Babylon has fallen! (AMERICA, THE WEST AND THE ONE-EYED DAJJAL SYSTEM?) This is the city that made all nations drunk and immoral. Now God is angry, and Babylon has fallen.”

9 Finally, a third angel came and shouted:

Here is what will happen if you worship the beast and the idol and have the mark of the beast on your hand or forehead

(Are not America and the West planning on having physical chips on their subjects?  AND DOES NOT ISLAM SAY that KAFIR (INFIDEL) will be their mark?).

10 You will have to drink the wine that God gives to everyone who makes him angry. You will feel his mighty anger, and you will be tortured with fire and burning sulfur, while the holy angels and the Lamb look on.[/color]

It sounds like a Prophecy about Islam to me!  The New Gospel that will come from the EAST??  It is non other than the Glorious Quran.

Regards,
Osama Abdallah

Regarding the "angel" from the east...

As Christians believe the "Angel of Smyrna " refers to Polycarp, since Angel means, literally, "Messenger" in Hebrew (Malak) and Greek, it is an excellent eye you have, I am jealous I didn't find that myself, it could be said without any means of refuting the statement, that it is referring to the Prophet (saw).
Title: Re: We all know that the Bible has been changed, but...
Post by: QuranSearchCom on September 21, 2017, 11:36:03 PM
Jazaka Allah Khayr, dear brother :).