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You've done it again . Then don't expect us to shove these aside as mild differences in opinions . It is a matter of  fundamental doctrine .

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Show me where I allowed for Allah Almighty or Prophet Muhammad or the Glorious Quran or for Islam to be insulted here. 

I said you did it yourself . "Is Jinn=Bacteria ?" , reply 21 . It is mine . Look it over again and see why I was agitated . I do know that you care what people think more than what you care about Islam itself .

4:140 And it has already come down to you in the Book that when you hear the verses of Allah [recited], they are denied [by them] and ridiculed; so do not sit with them until they enter into another conversation. Indeed, you would then be like them. Indeed Allah will gather the hypocrites and disbelievers in Hell all together -

Then , I talked about the topic numerous times and am not willing to go over it again . What I saw is that you deny them because either you can't comprehend them , or because you don't like them . And no matter how much I suggest you ask and learn - both of you - , arrogance seems to make you think you are superior to everyone and above learning . You seriously don't have the slightest amount of knowledge of what you despise so much . I might only hold fragments of the basics , but you don't see me acting like I'm above all else . You love to take signs out of context and use them where they don't apply to claim "Hadith contradicts Quran" , yet you always prove you don't read the book you claim to follow :

4:115 And whoever opposes the Messenger after guidance has become clear to him and follows other than the way of the believers - We will give him what he has taken and drive him into Hell, and evil it is as a destination.

22:8 And of the people is he who disputes about Allah without knowledge or guidance or an enlightening book [from Him],

10:39 Rather, they have denied that which they encompass not in knowledge and whose interpretation has not yet come to them. Thus did those before them deny. Then observe how was the end of the wrongdoers.

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as the ones I gave above, ...................

You're quite paradoxial . You talk about tolerance and call me "brother" in a reply , and in the same reply you bash at the way of the survivng group , Ahl Assunah Waljama'a in such a bawdy manner .

حَدَّثَنَا هِشَامُ بْنُ عَمَّارٍ، حَدَّثَنَا الْوَلِيدُ بْنُ مُسْلِمٍ، حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو عَمْرٍو، حَدَّثَنَا قَتَادَةُ، عَنْ أَنَسِ بْنِ مَالِكٍ، قَالَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ ـ صلى الله عليه وسلم ـ ‏ "‏ إِنَّ بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ افْتَرَقَتْ عَلَى إِحْدَى وَسَبْعِينَ فِرْقَةً وَإِنَّ أُمَّتِي سَتَفْتَرِقُ عَلَى ثِنْتَيْنِ وَسَبْعِينَ فِرْقَةً كُلُّهَا فِي النَّارِ إِلاَّ وَاحِدَةً وَهِيَ الْجَمَاعَةُ ‏"‏ ‏.‏

Ibn Majah :
It was narrated from Anas bin Malik that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said:
‘The Children of Israel split into seventy-one sects, and my nation will split into seventy-two, all of which will be in Hell apart from one, which is the main body.”

Among the reasons I'm not around . I thought things would be better if I return , but it only got worse . You should take some classes in anger management . Because if this one post I made got you this agitated more than you would ever be had it been Islam that is being insulted , then you'll probably get a heart attack if we continue .

I testify to the lord that I am innocent of what you preach and what you describe . I'm already used to all slanders against me and Islam . Yet we endure , for we hope to be of the strangers .

Ibn Majah , Tirmithi , Muslim :
“Islam began as something strange and will go back to being strange, so glad tidings to the strangers.’”

109:6  For you is your religion, and for me is my religion."

Black , out .

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1) I haven't seen for myself so I ask : Is it true ? If true , is it something they all agreed on or is it the act of individual soldiers ? Because there are cases of certain soldiers recieving punishment for acts they did . Heck , one of their officers was executed for terrorizing people and robbing them of their belongings thus becoming what Quran describes

5:33 Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment,

Also , is it in a full context ? Because you might think they're being cruel to someone yet you don't know what that person did . Shall I remind everyone how the brainwashed object on executing the Jews of Quraiza completely forgetting that they betrayed Muslims and aided their enemies against them ?

2) You know , it's funny . The shia say that the state is made by the "Wahabists" - which isn't a sect to begin with - , the Saudis say it's made by Iran , some say it's made by the US , some say it's made by the Jews , some say it's made by Asad - who doesn't match his name in a single thing - and some even say it's made by Al-Malki . How can they be made by all of those who wage war against them ? Need I remind you all of this sign of Quran ? :

49:6 O you who have believed, if there comes to you a disobedient one with information, investigate, lest you harm a people out of ignorance and become, over what you have done, regretful.

So while I don't claim they're completely right , I am definitely not going to stand on the side of complete devils against them ! And I'm not going to believe all and any thing said against them by their enemies especially since a load of sickening lies were made and got exposed . Example ? The hate against them reached to the degree that they claim the state covers the udders of cattls so men are not aroused ! Who with a shred of logic believes such a thing on the fly without investigating ?!

3) Let me be honest Osama , I disagree with you and some members here in major things . It isn't like the differences of "Fiqh" between scholars where no one accuses the other of anything . These are fundamental things . For instance , you don't mind someone being insulting Allah , his religion , his prophets , or the companions . Heck , you did it yourself . Had someone said a filthy word about your mother , you would never say "He called my mother [bleep]" , that would be beyond stupid . So how come it's OK with the lord of your mother and all the creation ? As for the matter of rejecting Hadith because it "doesn't match Quran" , many have said that to the degree that they claimed Jews and Christians are right to stay on their religion - AFTER the message of Islam reaches them - , Christ peace upon him won't return , Yajuj and Majuj are volcanos , and so many other ridiculous and asinine statements . They always use the lame excuse of "Scholars are not perfect" as if THEY are when they discovered something the entire nation was ignorant of all these centuries . Had they asked about what they didn't understand , it would have been better , but it's mostly arrogance as the lord said :

10:39 Rather, they have denied that which they encompass not in knowledge and whose interpretation has not yet come to them. Thus did those before them deny. Then observe how was the end of the wrongdoers.

Many claim they only accept narrations that agree with Quran . Had they stopped and asked themselves "Maybe I'm misunderstanding something" they would have saved us a load of commotion . Hilariously , they object on the very same method Quran reached us .

ألا هل بلغت ؟ اللهم فاشهد

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You know , while I don't claim they are perfect or saints - except Boku Haram , they are clearly far from Islam - I still say they are a thousand times better than any western system . Why on Earth are we on the defense ? Did you forget what the Serbs did in Bosnia raping women , actual children , and elderly grandmas ?! Did you forget the colonization done by Europe ? Did you forget the fresh blood crimes of the US in Iraq and Afghanistan ? Did you already forget the Muslims of Burma and China ? Why should we be on the defense when talking to mass murderers ?! As for the state of Iraq and Sham , to be more fair , hear from both sides , because there are also testimonies in their favor . And as I said , they may not be perfect , but they are clearly better compared to any western system and some eastern systems too .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaA6NHsS9cE

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Alright , I officially stop here and leave it to someone else , partially because of the walls of text and partially because I got better things to do .

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First is how Mohammed is considered the greatest prophet (if indeed he is this is what my muslim freinds tell me), If the prophet immediately before him Jesus did more and better miracles?

I'll remind you of this the next time when you say that miracles don't prove the prophecy of someone . Back on track , miracles are not everything . If you just read his biography of actual sources , you'd know why he's the greatest of mankind . Oh , and did the Christ silence  the most eloquent with the Bible , split the moon , or make 100% accurate prophecies ? Of course I as a Muslim believe that in the true message he couldn't make a false one but that's probably not the case with you .

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Second all of God's prophets were spoken to directly by God. As a Christian I find it hard to believe that the last and greatest of all prophets spoke to an angel and not God?(Gabriel from what I've been told)

That's YOUR belief . And I have a feeling this belief of yours isn't even right in the Bible but I'll let that aside since I'm not an expert . Quran says :

42:51 And it is not for any human being that Allah should speak to him except by revelation or from behind a partition or that He sends a messenger to reveal, by His permission, what He wills. Indeed, He is Most High and Wise.

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Third what prophecies did Mohammed make?

That would require a whole thread .

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fourth No other prophet of God has ever thought he was demon possessed, yet Mohammed did, (from what I've found out). If all other prophets spoke directly to God and Knew the message was from God, then why should I trust Mohammed if he himself wasn't sure the message was from God, and worst still Demon possessed.

When it's new to someone that they see an angel with wings covering what's between east and west , wouldn't they be overwhelmed ? Not to mention that after he found out , his fear was gone and he proceeded to deliver the message .

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This is a huge barrier because even if he wasn't or God assured him it was true it has never happened before and it's hard to believe some one would mistake the Almighty with a Demon. How can anyone look at this and say that later he received another message that assured him he was not being possessed if the entity that gave him the message is the one he was doubting (and by extension all who hear this). After all wouldn't the entity if he was a demon just lie and say the message was true any way. The proof that the message was from God has to be outside the message giver to have any credibility. After all the law for the Jews says two or three witnesses are required. 

Aside from the already said , can you bring such a message ? If not , then are you telling me God couldn't send a message that is better than that sent by a demon ?

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5th If you were trying to convince a Christian about the quran How would you explain the difference in What Jesus taught No divorce one wife at a time, and What Mohammed taught up to 4.

First of all , we don't believe that the current Bible is the original message sent with Christ peace upon him . Secondly , Islam is the ONLY religion that limits marriage to 4 . There is no limit in any other . And when you tell me there's no divorce , that's more of a reason for me to refuse it . Just imagine if life became impossible between the two .

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I am trying to convey the message that is inherently taught in the giving of Laws. A law is for the unrighteous. If men were perfect or good, we would have no need of instruction on what not to do. We would do by our nature what is good, but as it stands the whole world is enslaved by sin and the power of sin is in the law given.

Well deal with it , humans are not perfect and they may do good or bad . And if truth leaves falsehood in peace , falsehood will NEVER leave truth in peace . That's why Allah sets laws and orders for us to follow . There's chaos without laws , that's basic common sense . Even physics have law !

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The point I am driving home here is that God is required by His great nature to make the first move in revealing Himself to mankind.

And that's why he sends prophets and messengers . So ?

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I further argue that a prophet is not sufficient enough for a man to understand God because all men are in the same position finite and sinners.

Your argument is invalid and you contradict yourself . The almighty creator is beyond our capabilities to comprehend . And thus , without him telling us of himself , we don't associate any characteristics to him . And don't compare between the prophets in Islam and what you allegate to them of the most hideous sins .

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My  point here is that how will any revealed law bring me closer to God when that same law shows me that I am a sinner and it condemns me to death. Get one thing straight though we are worse than animals we commit mass murder genocide and violent rape something all animals don't even consider. They may kill to eat but we kill for pleasure and riches. Who do you think you are surely you've broken God's commands what do you  think that makes you. Beats are ignorant if anything we are worse off because we have God's laws and still disobey.

That's your own personal belief . Man has the nature of doing good or evil . Man is not purely good or evil whatsoever :

91:7 And [by] the soul and He who proportioned it 8 And inspired it [with discernment of] its wickedness and its righteousness, 9 He has succeeded who purifies it, 10 And he has failed who instills it [with corruption].

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I don't want to keep pushing this, but did any of you fast for all the days in ramadan. if you didn't, then what will your punishment be.

None of your business .

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Why are prophets greater than the run of the mill man? Because they comprehend God better than man seeing as how God revealed himself to them directly.

Like what you claim Allah did of showing his back to prophet Moses ? You're trying to push an idea here and you don't stop to realize how wrong it is . Creatures can't comprehend the almighty .

42:51 And it is not for any human being that Allah should speak to him except by revelation or from behind a partition or that He sends a messenger to reveal, by His permission, what He wills. Indeed, He is Most High and Wise.

And Allah doesn't just pick whomever there is for prophecy . It might seem like a game to you but it isn't . Prophets are easily better than the rest of mankind and THAT'S why they become prophets . Then again , I'm not sure you associate good characteristics to prophets .

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I asked you guys several times to tell me what it is you people preach and I get no answer.

Between these walls of text - where you don't even bother separate - , where did you ask this ? However , we invite people to one true lord who says about himself :

112:1 Say, "He is Allah , [who is] One, 2 Allah , the Eternal Refuge. 3 He neither begets nor is born, 4 Nor is there to Him any equivalent."

We invite to respect of parents , helping ones in need , being patient in hardships , and the list would go on and on if I keep going .

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Furthermore words are meaningless when compared to actions.

You seem to turn a blind eye to serious problems whenever you make a statement . Without words , how on Earth will you know that the "actions" you preach are right ? You seem to be a rare breed of Christians I have never seen before . While they all defend the Bible and claim it wasn't corrupted , here you are acting like it wouldn't matter .

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Again i'm going to tell you that what I wrote was not about Islam, but it was a challenge against all men who claim to be prophets on God's behalf. There have always been false prophets in the world and such men were motivated by their own lust for power and satan.

Well I can claim that such people are the ones who altered the true message of Christ peace upon him . So answer your own challenge and show us why should we believe them ?

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I hope that you will see that God personally revealing himself to mankind is greater than God revealing Himself to mankind through prophets.

You've been going on and on about this for a while now without seeing serious issues with it . Why did God leave people misguided all that time without "revealing himself" (I already said it's blasphemy and impossible) ?

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Therefore, no matter what you have been taught about Jesus not being God, it is worthwhile to look at Christianity since it is the only religion that has God personally revealing himself to mankind.

You did NOT just say this ! Ever heard of Krishna in Hinduism ? He's the son of God , born of a virgin , is able to walk on water , and died for the sin of mankind . Kinda strange , huh ?

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I know I am going to heaven because God has already had mercy on me.

Then kill , rape , steal , and do whatever hideous crimes come to your mind since you're going to heaven . THIS is the issue here . Your arrogance makes you think that your belief is enough to have the mercy of Allah . We on the other hand take belief AND actions . And while Allah promises a good life in the afterlife to who believes in him , we always ask him to guide us to the best and take us away from the worst . If mercy would be given to whomever , people's rights would go down the drain ! You're talking about fantasies here , we're talking about reality .

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1. if your prophet wont make it to heaven on what he does what chance do you have?

The mercy of Allah is what saves us , and in case you don't know - you don't - , on of the names of Allah is the merciful . We attain a balance between love , fear , and hope . We worship Allah out of love , fear of his might and punishment for our sins , and hope of his mercy . Further more , Allah said prophets are to enter paradise , and while that is with his mercy as well , it still answers you .

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2. How can God have mercy and still be a just judge (if He lets sin go then he is not just)?

And I suppose the "love" you keep talking about is just ? And no , forgiving sins doesn't contradict being just . Do I need to repeat such a simple given fact ? When I as a human forgive someone who did wrong against me , am I being unjust ?

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3. Why would Mohammed encourage his followers to do something in futility? (its impossible for them to get to heaven by doing good so they should continue to do good?)

I already told you , we combine both belief and work . We don't just sit back and do nothing and then expect to be rewarded for that .

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4. What takes a person to heaven according to your religion how can anybody be sure they are going?

No one is except whom Allah said will . That is why we do good and avoid evil . If everyone were sure to go to heaven eventually , there won't be a reason for good deeds and no reason to avoid evil deeds . And as I already explained , we combine love , fear , and hope .

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5. Some people believe that Mohammed is perfect and sinless, but this verse proves that he is not because God doesn't need to have mercy on those who have never sinned and if he never sinned then his righteous deeds would take him to heaven because God cannot condemn someone who never sinned. Why do some Muslims say Mohammed is perfect.

While there is a huge difference between the "sins" of the prophets and the sins of the rest of mankind , yes , no human is sinless because no one is perfect except the almighty himself . And we don't say prophet Muhammad is "perfect" as in the sense he's flawless , but as in that he is the best of mankind . In the end , it's probably just a misconception about the term .

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6. I am 100% positive I am going to Heaven why would I convert to Islam when their main prophet wasn't even sure?

Like I said , go ahead and sin all you like since you'll go to heaven for sure . And don't bother with any good deeds .

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7. All if God's prophets were certain they were going to be with God for eternity. If Mohammed is a prophet from God why isn't he sure he is going to Heaven?

You mean all the prophets according to YOUR book . And that's why they did adultery , killed , and worshiped other than Allah . But we declare that they are innocent of what you falsely describe .

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Which is a better motive love for God, or fear of God?

Both . In addition to hope .

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9. If I do good things to go to heaven (paradise or the target) then aren't I being selfish, and If I am being selfish then how can anything I do be considered good?

I already explained that we combine all three in our worship . But still , if I know I'd go to hell for eternity , would I be considered selfish if I do something to prevent that ? Especially on such a day :

80:33 But when there comes the Deafening Blast 34 On the Day a man will flee from his brother 35 And his mother and his father 36 And his wife and his children, 37 For every man, that Day, will be a matter adequate for him.

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10. If God has mercy on us because we do good then how can it be considered mercy? Mercy means we don't get what we deserve, but if God looks the other way because we do good He's not being merciful He is rewarding us for doing good.

NOTHING we ever do is enough respect to Allah almighty . That is why there is mercy . Still , that doesn't mean to NOT do good .

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Jesus isn't a man that's what you believe.

Have you no shred of shame ? YOU'RE the one who said :

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Being fully man and fully Divine

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Like I explained When Jesus was a man He was a man in every sense of the word,

Twist it however you like , that's imperfection . There can be an Afro Asian who has the characteristics of both , but that's because both are human and finite . You want me to believe that the unlimited is the same as the limited . Two contradicting statements cannot be both right .

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I don't know what you mean but if you are taught that Mohammed is the best of humans they are wrong we already saw that Mohammed put himself in the same boat as all of humanity in that quote you gave about good deeds and mercy. Whoever taught you this is wrong or you can take the opposite side and say that Mohammed was wrong.

This statement of yours isn't worth a penny . He may not have been perfect - perfection is only for Allah - but he's STILL the best of mankind . Being best doesn't mean you're flawless . You're trying to play with words here and you fail .

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All men sin this is what makes Jesus unique because He didn't.

Why do I have the feeling a simple Google search will prove this wrong ? Further more , that's YOUR belief . And how on Earth would God place himself on the scale of judgement ?! 3 in 1 and 1 in 3 ! Do you see the problem here ?!

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God is far exalted above anything I could possibly describe or the Bible that has been my Whole point all along. How God is so much greater then the words of Holy Books. God's action of becoming a man to die and serve me is something I have yet to fully comprehend the action is to great for my finite mind to absorb a kind of action and plan that has originated in the infinite mind Of God.

A nice way to turn around the actual issue . You just said he died . That means he's finite . That means he lacks power . Being human in itself is imperfection . Why would I worship someone imperfect ?

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Nevertheless I know this has all come from God because it is to perfect and contradicts all of what Human biengs would do.

While Jews lack a lot of faith and Christians lack a lot of asking for proof , we have both . When we're convinced with proof of Islam , we believe whatever it says by faith . But when the foundation of the religion itself is impossible to understand , what proof is there ?!

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if your quran teaches that God is infinite in love then where is this love displayed in Muslims.

Allah isn't just about love . And love isn't in the 99 names . Look them up .

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A religion that has man making the first move is doomed to fail how can a finite mind even begin comprehending and infinite mind. Again how can sinful men even understand perfection. God is something that is too great for us to even begin to understand. He has to make the first move and all subsequent moves because we are far to limited and broken to even understand the smallest things about God.

We do know he is one , all knowledgeable , all powerful , and has no partners through pondering about his creation . We don't associate any charecteristics to him unless revealed to his prophet .

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I told you so many times laws cannot bring you closer to |God because they reveal to you that you have broken them.

Am I getting it wrong or do you want Allah to let us live without any rules and laws guiding us ? You know , so that there's a difference between us and animals ?!

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He could be influenced by the Devil and be demon possessed or by his own lust for power

A ridiculously lame attempt .

First of all , I can easily claim the same about any religion out there including Christianity . So keep these imaginations where they belong , the realm of imaginations .

Secondly , Allah challenges mankind and Jinns to bring a book rivaling Quran and the challenge remains until the judgement day :

17:88 Say, "If mankind and the jinn gathered in order to produce the like of this Qur'an, they could not produce the like of it, even if they were to each other assistants."

So use whatever sorcerrors or shamans or whatever it is and attempt it . You'll fail on the spot .

Thirdly , lust of power ? You're clearly severly lacking knowledge of Islam and its history . The prophet peace upn him had wealth in the least of his interest . He passed away with his shield bonded - I think that's the word - at a Jewish man . Long nights would pass without a flame ignited in his house . And we wouldn't end anytime soon if I keep going .

So keep such imaginations to yourself .

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Why trust in a man when we should trust in God?

You are terribly mistaken if you think we'll just believe on the fly that YOUR religion is the true message from Allah . Why should I believe it is ? Can't you see that I can make the same allegations you made about Islam ?

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If you believe knowledge of God or salvation depends on you, you have already failed , and if that is what your religion teaches then it is false.

Your ignorance of Islam is proving to be irritating really .

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Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "The deeds of anyone of you will not save you (from the (Hell) Fire)." They said, "Even you (will not be saved by your deeds), O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)?" He said, "No, even I (will not be saved) unless and until Allah bestows His Mercy on me. Therefore, do good deeds properly, sincerely and moderately, and worship Allah in the forenoon and in the afternoon and during a part of the night, and always adopt a middle, moderate, regular course whereby you will reach your target (Paradise).

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I am not a follower of a prophet but a follower of Jesus the Christ, God in human flesh and the perfect revelation of my God and Heavenly Father.

This line alone contradicts itself . You've been going on about how man is imperfect and always fails , and now you want me to believe the blasphemy that the almighty creator and lord of this creation is man ?! Not to mention that your own Bible allegates imperfection to Allah exalted he is from what you describe .

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Being fully man and fully Divine

R.I.P : Common Sense .

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Your mediator or connection to God are prophets who sin and are limited in their understanding and a law that you have broken.

Do not compare between the best of humans , the prophets as told in Islam , and the false pictures you make of them in your Bible of adultery , incest , unjust murder , and idol worshiping . They are the best of the creatures whom Allah chose to deliver his message . And it's ironic how you contradict yourself in one reply and even in one sentence . You kept talking about how our limited minds can't comprehend Allah , then you make the claim we do comprehend him if he revelas himself as an imperfect creature . Exalted he is from what you describe !

Further more , your question was about the delusion of "What would happen to religion without a book" and we told you to keep that delusion in your head . So what's the commotion ?

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Quranist?
« on: July 28, 2014, 09:13:51 pm »
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Hello brother Black Muslim

After calling me and the majority of Muslims through history as disbelievers , I don't consider myself a brother of yours .

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can you please give me the exact link to the english version of the website that I promised I would discuss Quran Islam in?

There isn't an English version of the site . I thought you were capable of reading Arabic and thus I suggested that you have your discussion in English after registering . If you really need an English site , you have a friend forum specialized in the topic :

http://www.ahlalhdeeth.com/vbe/


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Keep your hypothesis to yourself . Quran is to be preserved as Allah promised .

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: some one refute this
« on: July 12, 2014, 01:14:17 pm »
If you had shame , you wouldn't have brought this message in its exact text . You could have narrated the meaning and the points without audacity directed at Islam but noooooo .

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-> Muhammed is NOT from bloodline of ALL THE TRUE prophets(It starts with ABRAHAM and his Son ISAAC). This is a very big problem for islam.. God clearly made a covenant with ISAAC and NOT ismael(he is out of the picture, He was cast out with his mother Hagar to Egypt in the Old Testament), but muslim simply deny the Old Testament covenant that came from GOD Himself....

We DON'T believe that the current Bible is the original one . Debates have gone for long and each one proves more and more that the people of the book corrupted the original message to suit their desires . Not to mention Christians admitting it .

And in Islam , Ismael peace upon him is a prophet . Case closed . What you should be arguing about is wither your books are corrupted or the original ones . And believe me , you'd be silent on the spot once you deal with an expert of the matter .

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islam has a MAJOR problem here... Who is muhammed, where is his prophetic bloodline from ISAAC as covenant from God? =)

Simply put , O maggot , he IS a prophet and is from the bloodline of prophets . Not that I know about a condition for someone to be from such bloodline to be a prophet - Adam peace upon him for instance ? - . And based on my humble knowledge of the Jewish Torah and Christian Gospel , the Jews forged something in their book saying that Issac is the only son of Ibrahim peace upon them . Hilariously , they didn't delete the other part which says that Ibrahim has two sons , Issac and Ismael peace upon them all . That's pure contradiction !

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Don't just copy/paste like all muslims do.

Pot calling kettle black ! I'll take it as a joke and ignore it .

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Do it Like I am doing to find the hidden truth about islam.... i study: OT, NT and quran and hadith by myself.

Your sheer and utter ignorance says you're lying . Your shoe probably knows better than you do . It's more than enough that you're so retarded as to claim we worship a moon God . This alone proves you NEVER read Quran , because if you did , you'd read this :

41:37 And of His signs are the night and day and the sun and moon. Do not prostrate to the sun or to the moon, but prostate to Allah , who created them, if it should be Him that you worship.

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allah the moon idol, his wive and his 3 daughters: allaat maanaat and el uzza that were in the early kaaba made by the pagans, worshipped by muhammed before he became "muslim".

Eat hay . You have until the sun rises from the west to prove it . Prophet Muhammad peace upon him never prostrated to idols once in his lifetime .

So what do we conclude ? You're a completely retarded maggot whose shoe knows better than he does . And since you started it , can you tell me why the Christ - according to your corrupted book - is from the bloodline of an adulterous ? Can you tell me why prophet Solomon worshiped idols by the end of his life ? Can you tell me why prophet David did adultery with the wife of his general and planned to kill him ? Can you tell me why prophet Lut did adultery with his daughters ?

They are innocent of the falsehood you assign to them , but that's more proof of your corruption .

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Quranist?
« on: July 10, 2014, 07:50:20 am »
The monotheists are still waiting .

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: SECT FIGHT PROHIBITED:
« on: July 10, 2014, 07:29:29 am »
Let's take a look at the pillars of Islam and pillars of belief .

Belief :
1- Believing in Allah .
2 - in angels
3 - in the books Allah sent
4 - in the messengers we're told about and the one's we're not told about
5 - in the judgement day
6 - in fate be it good or bad

Islam :
1 - Testimony that there is no deity worth of worship except Allah and that Muhammad is his servant and prophet
2 - Performing prayer
3 - Doing "Zakat"
4 - Fasting Ramadan
5 - Pilgrimage to Makkah for whoever is able

And when someone breaks one of them , you can't really call them Muslims .

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"That Muslim guy" beat me to it and even better :)

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What kind of a retard makes such a statement !?

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Aside from the conspiracy theories , devil worshipers , illuminits or whatever you call them , and Zionism , are you telling me that when the prophet peace upon him and the companions had doubts about the son of Sayyad being Dajjal , they mistook a human being for a system ?!

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