Show Posts

This section allows you to view all posts made by this member. Note that you can only see posts made in areas you currently have access to.


Messages - muslimapocalyptic

Pages: [1]
1
Bible Prophecies / Re: Who is who in Biblical prophecy?
« on: July 11, 2018, 09:24:29 pm »
Wa Alaikum As'salam,

The following links give you all of the details:

www.answering-christianity.com/east.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/predict.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/10000.htm

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

Thank you.

So, is the prophesied "Son of Man" in reference to the return of Prophet 'Eyssa or to Prophet Muhammad?

2
Bible Prophecies / Who is who in Biblical prophecy?
« on: July 08, 2018, 08:17:25 pm »
Assalaamu alaiykum

In regards to Biblical prophecy, which prophecies refer to Prophet Muhammad and which ones refer to the return of Prophet 'Eyssa?

3
GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Prophet and terror
« on: January 17, 2018, 12:50:02 pm »
Wait a minute!
--------
“I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer, and pay Zakat and if they do it, their blood and property are guaranteed protection on my behalf except when justified by law, and their affairs rest with Allah.”

(Sahih Muslim, Book 1, No. 33)
-----------------

Stupid translator. If you can read Arabic, check it below:
https://muflihun.com/muslim/1/33

الناس - the people
 
The translator did not put a definite article for people.

If you know grammar, there is a big difference between "people" and "the people".


For example, if I command you to fight people, they would kill random people in general. However, if I urge you to fight the people, they would fight certain people.

That is interesting. I did not know that it made such a difference, and it only further underscores the fact that it is in regards to specific people and not just anyone.

4
GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Prophet and terror
« on: January 17, 2018, 08:49:36 am »
Assalaamu alaiykum,

1) "I have been made victorious with terror!" Prophet Muhammad [Sahih Bukhari 4.52.220]


In fact, what Abu Hurayrah narrated Prophet Muhammad as saying was: "I have been sent with the shortest expressions bearing the widest meanings, and I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy), and while I was sleeping, the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand."

(Sahih Bukhari, Book 52, No. 220)

Removing the added caveat “cast in the hearts of the enemy” doesn’t change the meaning of the text, because “terror” in this case can only refer to intense fear, and not to a sensationalized criminal act that is exploited for some political agenda, as that is a relatively modern definition for “terror”. The “enemy” in this case, refers to those who had initiated war against Prophet Muhammad and his followers at that time.

Here are a few more quotes of Muhammad:

In regards to (2) and (3) below, it has been narrated on the authority of ‘Abdullah bin 'Umar that the Messenger of Allah said:

“I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer, and pay Zakat and if they do it, their blood and property are guaranteed protection on my behalf except when justified by law, and their affairs rest with Allah.”

(Sahih Muslim, Book 1, No. 33)

This hadith is in the same context as the verses from the Qur’an that pertain to fighting and refers to the same ‘people’; hostile enemies among the Arab polytheists who had made war against the Muslims in the 7th century CE, during the time of Prophet Muhammad. This statement attributed to Prophet Muhammad is about subjugating those enemies as a means of protection against them, and not about targeting and killing individuals simply because they are not Muslim. This is apparent with the clause of testifying to the faith, without any mention of having to believe in it, which means that the statement itself is only an expression of Islam’s predominance over its enemies and not forcing people to believe in it. It is therefore about defense and security as all other such commands, figures of speech, expressions and exhortations are. The injunctions and clauses in verses (2:190-195) and verses (8:38-40) in the Qur’an provide the context and proper meaning of this hadith, as does the historical context of those verses - all of which have already been explained.

2) Bukhari (8:387) - Allah's Apostle said, "I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah'. And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally."

The full hadith:

Narrated Anas bin Malik:
 
Allah's Apostle said, "I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.' And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally and their reckoning will be with Allah."

Narrated Maimun ibn Siyah that he asked Anas bin Malik, "O Abu Hamza! What makes the life and property of a person sacred?"
He replied, "Whoever says, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah', faces our Qibla during the prayers, prays like us and eats our slaughtered animal, then he is a Muslim, and has got the same rights and obligations as other Muslims have."

(Sahih Bukhari, Book 8, No. 387)

This hadith is recounting the same statement in (Sahih Muslim 1:33) only with a different narrator and slightly different wording. Here, the narrator explains that the sacredness of life and property of a Muslim means that he has the same rights and obligations as other Muslims have, and not that only the life and property of a Muslim is spared. It therefore does not mean that Muslims have carte blanche to kill anyone or take their property simply because they do not believe. Also, again, the fighting against those particular hostile enemies is until they say - and not necessarily believe – that none has the right to be worshiped besides God, as an expression, referring to the end of their hostilities.
 
3) Muslim (1:30) - "The Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people so long as they do not declare that there is no god but Allah."

The full hadith:

It is reported on the authority of Abu Hurayrah that the Messenger of Allah said:

“I have been commanded to fight against people so long as they do not declare that there is no god but Allah, and he who professed it was guaranteed the protection of his property and life on my behalf except for the right affairs rest with Allah.”

Like (Sahih Muslim 1:33) and (Sahih Bukhari 8:387), (Sahih Muslim 1:30) is also recounting the same statement, only with a different narrator and slightly different wording, which only demonstrates the veracity of the statement itself. The ‘people’ being fought here are the enemy Arab polytheists, and the statement itself is an expression about pacifying the enemies so as to end their hostilities against Islam and against Muslims. Thus, since it is in response to hostilities (and not an initiation of them), it is therefore about defense and security, while only being a tactic, and not a goal.
 
5) Bukhari (52:73) - "Allah's Apostle said, 'Know that Paradise is under the shades of swords'."

As it should be obvious to anyone, the phrase, “know that Paradise is under the shades of swords” in (Sahih Bukhari 52:73) is a figure of speech. In this case, it is a point of emphasis on the importance of fighting, obviously in the context of the various battles that Muslim platoons were fighting against the enemy factions among the Arab polytheists. And, as demonstrated previously, the Muslim state’s war against the Arab polytheist factions was about defense and security.
 
6) Sahih Bukhari (52:177) - Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him." Here, Muhammad is calling for the genocide of Jews. Jews must be wiped out in order for the hour/judgment day to arrive.

To the contrary, this is a prophecy - not a command - that pertains to an armed conflict between Muslim and Jewish factions. Other ahadith relate this prophesied conflict in the context of a battle during the last age of this world between armies of Muslims and the armies of al-Masih ad-dajjal (“the false Messiah”) – a conflict, which the Dajjal would have initiated. Those other ahadith indicate that this prophecy is in reference to a particular faction of the Dajjal’s armies that is Jewish, and are indicated as being the Dajjal’s primary followers. Another hadith identifies these Jews specifically among the followers of the Dajjal:

Prophet Muhammad (while relating the story of the Dajjal) said:"At that time suddenly Jesus son of Mary (on whom be peace) shall appear among the Muslims. Then the people will stand up for the Prayer, and he will be asked, 'Step forward, O Spirit of Allah (and lead us in the Prayer);’ but he will say, 'No: your own leader should step forward and lead the Prayer.' Then, after offering the Morning Prayer, the Muslims shall go forth to fight the Dajjal.”
He said, “When the liar will see Jesus, he will start dissolving like the salt in water. Then Jesus will advance towards him and will slay him; and it will so happen that the trees and the stones will cry out: 'O Spirit of Allah, here is a Jew hiding behind me.' None will be left from among the followers of the Dajjal, whom he (i.e. Jesus) will not kill."

(Musnad Ahmad).

In any case, there is nothing to indicate that this is even describing (much less prescribing) a war of aggression by Muslims against Jews.
 
7) Tabari 7:97 The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, "Kill any Jew who falls under your power." Ashraf was a poet, killed by Muhammad's men because he insulted Islam. Here, Muhammad widens the scope of his orders to kill. An innocent Jewish businessman was then slain by his Muslim partner, merely for being non-Muslim.

It should first be pointed out that the “History of al-Tabari” contains a mix of narrations, some of which are authentic, while others are unreliable, which Tabari himself addresses by stating he only transmitted what the narrators have said to him, and takes no responsibility for its content, and so not everything quoted from it is authentic.

As for Ka’b bin Al-Ashraf, he did not simply “insult Islam” with his derogatory poetry, but he also conspired with the Arab polytheists in Mecca against the Muslims, and on his return to Medina had planned to kill Prophet Muhammad:
 
(The Prophet said): “He (Ka’b) has openly assumed enmity to us and speaks evil of us and he has gone over to the polytheists (who were at war with Muslims) and has made them gather against us for fighting”

(Zurqani, Vol. 2, p. 11)

“And he prepared a feast, and conspired with some Jews that he would invite the Prophet and when he came they should fall on him all of a sudden.”

(Zurqani, Vol. 2, p. 12)

Ka’b bin Al-Ashraf was a poet who always resented Islam and Muslims, and the Muslim victory in the “Battle of Badr” only exacerbated this resentment to the point where he started writing poems satirizing Prophet Muhammad as well as eulogizing the Quraysh and enticing them against him. Upon his return from Mecca, Ka’b began to defame Muslim women among other things with his derogatory poetry. However, Ka’b was still bound by the Medina treaty, and by conspiring with the enemies of the Muslims against Prophet Muhammad and his followers, he violated that treaty and thus became a traitor.

Thus, Ka’b bin Al-Ashraf conspiring with the Arab polytheists in Mecca against the Muslims and trying to assassinate Prophet Muhammad, was an open breach of the treaty that he was bound by and justified the order for him to be killed. Treason was – and still is in some cases – a capital offense warranting the death penalty.

As for the alleged command to “kill any Jew who falls under your power” and the Jewish merchant, Ibn Sunayna (Shubaybah), who is alleged to have been killed because of it - the story is weak and unreliable because it has unreliable and missing narrators, in addition to a lack of corroborating accounts of any of it taking place along with a lot of other accounts – and prevailing circumstances as well as the Qur’an itself – that contradict it. Ibn Hisham himself – who edited Ibn Ishaq’s work – suggests that the story was in the context of the slaughter of the Qurayzah tribe (which was due to their treachery), and not in the aftermath of Ibn al-Ashraf’s death. It is more consistent in the context of the former than in the context of the latter.

8) Tabari 9:69 "Killing Unbelievers is a small matter to us" The words of Muhammad, prophet of Islam.

This appears to be the full text:

“Arabs were the first to respond to the call of the Prophet. We are Allah’s helpers and the viziers of His Messenger. We fight people until they believe in Allah. He who believes in Allah and His Messenger has protected his life and possessions from us. As for one who disbelieves, we will fight him forever in the Cause of Allah. Killing him is a small matter to us.”

As it is clear, the individual making the statement identifies himself as a helper of God and a vizier of God’s Messenger. Consequently, this implies that these words are not those of Prophet Muhammad, but one of this followers. In addition, this is similar to what Prophet Muhammad is actually narrated to have said in (Sahih Bukhari 8:387), (Sahih Muslim 1:33) and (Sahih Muslim 1:30) as mentioned earlier, which would therefore put this statement in the same context with the same meaning – as an expression of making Islam predominant against those (the Arab polytheists) who had initiated war against Islam and Muslims, so as to end to their hostilities and provide Muslims and Islam security against them. Only if these narrations are even meant to be taken literally would that be the case, as apparently, what is translated as “killing” in this statement, actually means “defeat”, and “fighting” may not be literal. This would be the only way for it to have a broader, more general meaning.
 
10) Sahih Bukhari (52:65) - The Prophet said, 'He who fights that Allah's Word (Islam) should be superior, fights in Allah's Cause.
Just to let you know if your gonna answer could you please answer all of them.

“Fighting so that God’s word should be superior” is not about spreading Islam by force, since fighting is only prescribed in self-defense or in defense and/or security against hostile enemies and pledge violators. This is clearly demonstrated from the already-quoted passages from the Qur’an as well as their historical context in which they were specifically in reference to. Therefore, “fighting” in this case can only be against hostile enemies. If no one is a hostile enemy, then “fighting” cannot be applied appropriately, or it cannot be taken literally to refer to physical combat.

Islam is a universal religion, and like all universal religions, its methodology is to gain as many willing converts as possible, which can only be achieved successfully by inviting people to it and educating them about it. This is obvious from history, as only the Muslim empires spread through force, while the religion itself did not.
[/quote]

5
GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Prophet and terror
« on: January 17, 2018, 08:46:37 am »
Assalaamu alaiykum,

1) "I have been made victorious with terror!" Prophet Muhammad [Sahih Bukhari 4.52.220]


In fact, what Abu Hurayrah narrated Prophet Muhammad as saying was: "I have been sent with the shortest expressions bearing the widest meanings, and I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy), and while I was sleeping, the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand."

(Sahih Bukhari, Book 52, No. 220)

Removing the added caveat “cast in the hearts of the enemy” doesn’t change the meaning of the text, because “terror” in this case can only refer to intense fear, and not to a sensationalized criminal act that is exploited for some political agenda, as that is a relatively modern definition for “terror”. The “enemy” in this case, refers to those who had initiated war against Prophet Muhammad and his followers at that time.

Here are a few more quotes of Muhammad:

In regards to (2) and (3) below, it has been narrated on the authority of ‘Abdullah bin 'Umar that the Messenger of Allah said:

“I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer, and pay Zakat and if they do it, their blood and property are guaranteed protection on my behalf except when justified by law, and their affairs rest with Allah.”

(Sahih Muslim, Book 1, No. 33)

This hadith is in the same context as the verses from the Qur’an that pertain to fighting and refers to the same ‘people’; hostile enemies among the Arab polytheists who had made war against the Muslims in the 7th century CE, during the time of Prophet Muhammad. This statement attributed to Prophet Muhammad is about subjugating those enemies as a means of protection against them, and not about targeting and killing individuals simply because they are not Muslim. This is apparent with the clause of testifying to the faith, without any mention of having to believe in it, which means that the statement itself is only an expression of Islam’s predominance over its enemies and not forcing people to believe in it. It is therefore about defense and security as all other such commands, figures of speech, expressions and exhortations are. The injunctions and clauses in verses (2:190-195) and verses (8:38-40) in the Qur’an provide the context and proper meaning of this hadith, as does the historical context of those verses - all of which have already been explained.

2) Bukhari (8:387) - Allah's Apostle said, "I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah'. And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally."

The full hadith:

Narrated Anas bin Malik:
 
Allah's Apostle said, "I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.' And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally and their reckoning will be with Allah."

Narrated Maimun ibn Siyah that he asked Anas bin Malik, "O Abu Hamza! What makes the life and property of a person sacred?"
He replied, "Whoever says, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah', faces our Qibla during the prayers, prays like us and eats our slaughtered animal, then he is a Muslim, and has got the same rights and obligations as other Muslims have."

(Sahih Bukhari, Book 8, No. 387)

This hadith is recounting the same statement in (Sahih Muslim 1:33) only with a different narrator and slightly different wording. Here, the narrator explains that the sacredness of life and property of a Muslim means that he has the same rights and obligations as other Muslims have, and not that only the life and property of a Muslim is spared. It therefore does not mean that Muslims have carte blanche to kill anyone or take their property simply because they do not believe. Also, again, the fighting against those particular hostile enemies is until they say - and not necessarily believe – that none has the right to be worshiped besides God, as an expression, referring to the end of their hostilities.
 
3) Muslim (1:30) - "The Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people so long as they do not declare that there is no god but Allah."

The full hadith:

It is reported on the authority of Abu Hurayrah that the Messenger of Allah said:

“I have been commanded to fight against people so long as they do not declare that there is no god but Allah, and he who professed it was guaranteed the protection of his property and life on my behalf except for the right affairs rest with Allah.”

Like (Sahih Muslim 1:33) and (Sahih Bukhari 8:387), (Sahih Muslim 1:30) is also recounting the same statement, only with a different narrator and slightly different wording, which only demonstrates the veracity of the statement itself. The ‘people’ being fought here are the enemy Arab polytheists, and the statement itself is an expression about pacifying the enemies so as to end their hostilities against Islam and against Muslims. Thus, since it is in response to hostilities (and not an initiation of them), it is therefore about defense and security, while only being a tactic, and not a goal.
 
5) Bukhari (52:73) - "Allah's Apostle said, 'Know that Paradise is under the shades of swords'."

As it should be obvious to anyone, the phrase, “know that Paradise is under the shades of swords” in (Sahih Bukhari 52:73) is a figure of speech. In this case, it is a point of emphasis on the importance of fighting, obviously in the context of the various battles that Muslim platoons were fighting against the enemy factions among the Arab polytheists. And, as demonstrated previously, the Muslim state’s war against the Arab polytheist factions was about defense and security.
 
6) Sahih Bukhari (52:177) - Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him." Here, Muhammad is calling for the genocide of Jews. Jews must be wiped out in order for the hour/judgment day to arrive.

To the contrary, this is a prophecy - not a command - that pertains to an armed conflict between Muslim and Jewish factions. Other ahadith relate this prophesied conflict in the context of a battle during the last age of this world between armies of Muslims and the armies of al-Masih ad-dajjal (“the false Messiah”) – a conflict, which the Dajjal would have initiated. Those other ahadith indicate that this prophecy is in reference to a particular faction of the Dajjal’s armies that is Jewish, and are indicated as being the Dajjal’s primary followers. Another hadith identifies these Jews specifically among the followers of the Dajjal:

Prophet Muhammad (while relating the story of the Dajjal) said:"At that time suddenly Jesus son of Mary (on whom be peace) shall appear among the Muslims. Then the people will stand up for the Prayer, and he will be asked, 'Step forward, O Spirit of Allah (and lead us in the Prayer);’ but he will say, 'No: your own leader should step forward and lead the Prayer.' Then, after offering the Morning Prayer, the Muslims shall go forth to fight the Dajjal.”
He said, “When the liar will see Jesus, he will start dissolving like the salt in water. Then Jesus will advance towards him and will slay him; and it will so happen that the trees and the stones will cry out: 'O Spirit of Allah, here is a Jew hiding behind me.' None will be left from among the followers of the Dajjal, whom he (i.e. Jesus) will not kill."

(Musnad Ahmad).

In any case, there is nothing to indicate that this is even describing (much less prescribing) a war of aggression by Muslims against Jews.
 
7) Tabari 7:97 The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, "Kill any Jew who falls under your power." Ashraf was a poet, killed by Muhammad's men because he insulted Islam. Here, Muhammad widens the scope of his orders to kill. An innocent Jewish businessman was then slain by his Muslim partner, merely for being non-Muslim.

It should first be pointed out that the “History of al-Tabari” contains a mix of narrations, some of which are authentic, while others are unreliable, which Tabari himself addresses by stating he only transmitted what the narrators have said to him, and takes no responsibility for its content, and so not everything quoted from it is authentic.

As for Ka’b bin Al-Ashraf, he did not simply “insult Islam” with his derogatory poetry, but he also conspired with the Arab polytheists in Mecca against the Muslims, and on his return to Medina had planned to kill Prophet Muhammad:
 
(The Prophet said): “He (Ka’b) has openly assumed enmity to us and speaks evil of us and he has gone over to the polytheists (who were at war with Muslims) and has made them gather against us for fighting”

(Zurqani, Vol. 2, p. 11)

“And he prepared a feast, and conspired with some Jews that he would invite the Prophet and when he came they should fall on him all of a sudden.”

(Zurqani, Vol. 2, p. 12)

Ka’b bin Al-Ashraf was a poet who always resented Islam and Muslims, and the Muslim victory in the “Battle of Badr” only exacerbated this resentment to the point where he started writing poems satirizing Prophet Muhammad as well as eulogizing the Quraysh and enticing them against him. Upon his return from Mecca, Ka’b began to defame Muslim women among other things with his derogatory poetry. However, Ka’b was still bound by the Medina treaty, and by conspiring with the enemies of the Muslims against Prophet Muhammad and his followers, he violated that treaty and thus became a traitor.

Thus, Ka’b bin Al-Ashraf conspiring with the Arab polytheists in Mecca against the Muslims and trying to assassinate Prophet Muhammad, was an open breach of the treaty that he was bound by and justified the order for him to be killed. Treason was – and still is in some cases – a capital offense warranting the death penalty.

As for the alleged command to “kill any Jew who falls under your power” and the Jewish merchant, Ibn Sunayna (Shubaybah), who is alleged to have been killed because of it - the story is weak and unreliable because it has unreliable and missing narrators, in addition to a lack of corroborating accounts of any of it taking place along with a lot of other accounts – and prevailing circumstances as well as the Qur’an itself – that contradict it. Ibn Hisham himself – who edited Ibn Ishaq’s work – suggests that the story was in the context of the slaughter of the Qurayzah tribe (which was due to their treachery), and not in the aftermath of Ibn al-Ashraf’s death. It is more consistent in the context of the former than in the context of the latter.

8) Tabari 9:69 "Killing Unbelievers is a small matter to us" The words of Muhammad, prophet of Islam.

This appears to be the full text:

“Arabs were the first to respond to the call of the Prophet. We are Allah’s helpers and the viziers of His Messenger. We fight people until they believe in Allah. He who believes in Allah and His Messenger has protected his life and possessions from us. As for one who disbelieves, we will fight him forever in the Cause of Allah. Killing him is a small matter to us.”

As it is clear, the individual making the statement identifies himself as a helper of God and a vizier of God’s Messenger. Consequently, this implies that these words are not those of Prophet Muhammad, but one of this followers. In addition, this is similar to what Prophet Muhammad is actually narrated to have said in (Sahih Bukhari 8:387), (Sahih Muslim 1:33) and (Sahih Muslim 1:30) as mentioned earlier, which would therefore put this statement in the same context with the same meaning – as an expression of making Islam predominant against those (the Arab polytheists) who had initiated war against Islam and Muslims, so as to end to their hostilities and provide Muslims and Islam security against them. Only if these narrations are even meant to be taken literally would that be the case, as apparently, what is translated as “killing” in this statement, actually means “defeat”, and “fighting” may not be literal. This would be the only way for it to have a broader, more general meaning.
 
10) Sahih Bukhari (52:65) - The Prophet said, 'He who fights that Allah's Word (Islam) should be superior, fights in Allah's Cause.
Just to let you know if your gonna answer could you please answer all of them.

“Fighting so that God’s word should be superior” is not about spreading Islam by force, since fighting is only prescribed in self-defense or in defense and/or security against hostile enemies and pledge violators. This is clearly demonstrated from the already-quoted passages from the Qur’an as well as their historical context in which they were specifically in reference to. Therefore, “fighting” in this case can only be against hostile enemies. If no one is a hostile enemy, then “fighting” cannot be applied appropriately, or it cannot be taken literally to refer to physical combat.

Islam is a universal religion, and like all universal religions, its methodology is to gain as many willing converts as possible, which can only be achieved successfully by inviting people to it and educating them about it. This is obvious from history, as only the Muslim empires spread through force, while the religion itself did not.

6
GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Video needs refuting
« on: January 13, 2018, 11:53:03 pm »
It was about a verse in the quran I checked it I forgot the number now but anyway it said something on these lines and your lord made the followers of jesus victorious and they shall remain victorious until jesus return check the video for the exact verse.
He made 2 points.
1) If the followers of jesus remain victorious until his return that mean's that the bible can't be corrupted and you can't accuse people of changing and corrupting Christianity. That means the quran admitted that the Christians never corrupTed anything and that the followers of jesus are victorious.
2) Also if the followers of jesus will stay victorious that means Muhammad must have been a false prophet because there was no need for another prophet if the Christians who followed jesus were doing good
That was basically point 1

Ayat 3:55 is the verse in question:

Qur'an 3:55-57 (English Translation): God said, ‘Jesus, I will take you back and raise you up to Me: I will purify you of the disbelievers. To the Day of Resurrection I will make those who follow you superior to those who disbelieved. Then you will all return to Me and I will judge between you regarding your differences. I will make the disbelievers suffer severely in this world and the next; no one will help them.’ God will pay those who believe and do good deeds their reward in full; God does not love evildoers.

It only says that the followers of Jesus would be superior to those who disbelieved, which obviously is not necessarily going to be everyone. Also, being "superior" can mean many things.

7
Many Christians call Islam satanic for one big reason the Kabah. In satanism they do something called black cube worship the fact Muslims circle around a giant black cube and pray towards it makes me feel confused. Please can someone debunk this. The black cube worship is definitely a satanic practice.

Assalaamu alaiykum,

To begin, the Kaabah isn't a "black cube". It is a prism stone building that is currently built with granite with its current interior floor being composed of marble and limestone, none of which are colored black. Its current "black cube" appearance is due to its black and gold colored kiswah (pall) cloth covering that is replaced annually.

Here is the Kaabah without its kiswah cloth covering:



Historically, the current color scheme of the kiswah was not established with any permenance until the rule of the Abbasid Caliph Nasir in the 12 century CE. It has since become tradition. However, there is nothing religiously essential about any particular color scheme.

Finally, as has already been pointed out, Muslims do not worship the Kaabah. Rather, Muslims worship while facing the Kaabah. There is significant difference between the two.

8
The Mahdi, Jesus Christ, and the anti-Christ (the Dajjal) / Re: Imam Mahdi
« on: December 26, 2017, 05:54:32 pm »
Assalaamu Alaiykum,

With regards to the Mahdi, there is 1 narration recorded in the 3rd century AH, which seems to have 2 versions:

Here is the Arabic text of one:

حرب آخر الزمان حرب كونية المرة الثالثة بعد اثنين كبيرين يموت فيهما خلق كثير ،الأولى يشعلها رجل كنيته السيد الكبير، وتنادي الدنيا باسم (هتلر) وفي عقد الهجرة بعد الألف وثلاثمائة واعقدوا عقودا يرى ملك الروم أن حرب الدنيا كلها يجب أن تكون ، فأراد الله له حربا. ولم يذهب طويل زمن، عقد وعقد فسلط رجلا من بلاد اسمها (جرمن) له اسم الهر ، أراد أن يملك الدنيا ويحارب الكل في بلاد ثلج وخير، فأمسى في غضب الله بعد سنوات نار أراده قتيلا سر الروش أو الروس. وفي عُقود الهجرة بعد الألف وثلاثمائة، عُد خمسا أو ستا يحكم مصر رجل يكنى (ناصر) يدعوه العرب (شجاع العرب) والله في حرب وحرب وما كان منصورا ، ويريد الله لمصر نصرا له حقا في أحب شهوره ، وهو له ، فأرضى مصر رب البيت والعرب بأسمر سادا ، أبوه أنور منه ، لكنه صالح لصوص المسجد الأقصى بالبلد الحزين. وفي عراق الشام رجل متجبر …… و…… سفياني ، في إحدى عينيه كسل قليل، واسمه من الصدام وهو صدام لمن عارضه، الدنيا جمعت له في كوت صغير دخلها وهو مدهون، ولا خير في السفياني إلا بالإسلام، وهو خير وشر، والويل لخائن المهدي الأمين. وفي عقود الهجرة الإلف وأربع مائة ، واعقد اثنين أو ثلاثا……. يخرج المهدي الأمين ، ويحارب كل الكون يجمعون له الضالون والمغضوب عليهم ،والذين مردوا على النفاق في بلاد الإسراء والمعراج عند جبل مجدون ، وتخرج له ملكة الدنيا والمكر زانية اسمها (أمريكا) تراود العالم يومئذ في الضلال والكفر ، ويهود العالم يومئذٍ في أعلى عليين يملكون كل القدس والمدينة المقدسة. وكل البلاد تأتي من البحر والجو إلا بلاد الثلج الرهيب وبلاد الحر الشديد ويرى المهدي ان كل الدنيا عليه بالمكر السيئ، ويرى الله أشد مكرا، ويرى أن كل كون الله له، إليه المرجع والمصير، وكل الدنيا شجرةٌ له أن يملكها فرعاً وجذرا (……) فيرميهم الله بأكرب رمي ويحرق عليهم الأرض والبحر والسماء وتمطر السماء مطر السوء، ويلعن أهل الأرض كل كفار الأرض، ويأذن الله بزوال كل الكفر

(Asma al-Masalik Li'ayyam al-Mahdi al-Malik Li-Kul al-Dunya Bi-Amr Allah al-Malik
("The Best ways to know the time of the Mahdi, King of the World, by Allah's command"), Qalda bin Zayd, p. 216)

Which, from what I have gathered, translates to:

Narrated by Abu Hurayrah:

"The war of the end of time is the war of the world. There will be a third war after two great wars in which many are killed. He who will light the fires of the first/second world war will be known as the 'Great Leader' and then the world speaks the name (Hitler). 1300 years after the Hijra, count a few decades. At that time, the Greek King wants to wage a war against the entire world. Meanwhile, Allah commands the war for that man. A short while later, that is, in two decades, a man whose name is associated with a cat name from the (German) lands, appears as a scourge on the Romans. He starts to bother people and wants to hold control over the world. He wages war against the entire world, both the warm and cold lands. After years filled with severe war fires, he meets Allah's punishment. Then, he is killed as the Russians' mystery. Count five or six decades after the decades of 1300 of Hijra. At that time, a man called "Nasser" rules Egypt. Arabs call him "succa-ul Arab" (the "brave of the Arabs"). Allah disgraces him twice, once in a war, and then in another one, in which that "Nasser" can never attain victory. Then Allah grants victory to Egypt in the most beloved month of Allah. Upon this, Allah, the Lord of the House, makes a dark-colored person, whose father is more enlightened than himself, the leader of the Egyptian people and the Arab nation. But, he makes an agreement with the thieves of the Masjid al-Aqsa in the land of sadness. Then a cruel man appears in Iraq, which is located in the Damascus region. This man, with a slight injury in his eye, is a Sufyani. His name comes from confrontation (Saddam), and he is confrontational against his opponents. All the world gathers for him in small Kut, the region to which he came previously because he was deceived. There is no good in that Sufyani except with Islam and he is both good and bad.....and woe to he who betrays the trustworthy Mahdi. Count two or three decades after the year/decades of Hijri 1400. At that time, the Mahdi emerges. He fights the whole world and both the ones who have gone astray (Christians) and the ones who have earned Allah's anger (Jews) join against him with the hypocrites in the land of Isra and Miraj at Mount Megiddo. And there comes out against him the Queen of the world and deception, an adulteress called (America), who incites the world to deviation and infidelity...and the Jews of the world at that time would have the upper hand, ruling Quds and the holy city. And all the nations come to fight by sea and air except those in the land of extreme cold and the land of extreme heat. And the Mahdi sees that all the world does plot against him, but he also sees that Allah's plan is stronger than all, and he sees that the World belongs to Allah and to Him it will return, and that the World is but a tree that Allah wills him to rule from its roots to its branches.......and Allah throws down on them (unbelievers) with a disastrous punishment, burning their lands and seas and skies. And the sky rains down a harmful shower, with the people of the Earth cursing the infidels, and Allah wills the defeat of the unbelievers."

And here is the Arabic text of the other:

حرب اخر الزمن حرب كونية, المرة الثالثة بعد اثنين كبريين يموت فيهما خلائق كثيرة, الاولى اشعلها رجل هو الهر الاكبر على بلاد كاس وتاج على راس....... والثانيـة اشعلها رجـل كنيته السيد الكبير, وتنادي الدنيــا باسم هتللر.., في عقود الهجرة بعد الالف وثلاثمائة واعقدوا عقودا يـرى ملك الـروم ان حرب الدنيا كلها يجب ان تكون, فاراد الله له حربا, ولم يذهب طويل زمن عقد وعقد فسلط رجل من بــلاد اسمهــا جرمن, وله اسم الهر, اراد ان يملك الدنيا, ويحارب الكل في بلاد ثلج وخير, فامسى في غضب الله بعد سنوات نـار, ارداه قتيـلا سـر الـروش او الروس, وفي عقود الهجــرة بعـد الالف وثلاثمائة و اعقدوا خمسا او ستا, يحكم مصر رجل يكنى ناصر يدعوه العرب " شجاع العرب ", واذله الله في حرب وحرب وما كان منصورا, ويريد الله لمصر نصرا له حقا في احب شهوره, وهو له, فارضى مصر رب البيت والعرب, باسمر سادا, ابوه انور منه, لكنه صالح لصوص المسجد الاقصى بالبلـد الحزيـن, وفي عـراق الشام رجل متجبر...و.. سفياني في احدى عينيه كسل قليل واسمه من الصدام وهو صدام لمن عارضه الدنيا جمعـت له في كوت صغير دخلها وهو مدهون, ولا خير في السفياني الا بالاسلام, وهو خير وشر, والويل لخائن المهدي الامين, وفي عقود الهجرة الالف واربعمائة واعقد اثنين او ثلاثا… يخرج المهدي الامين ويحارب كل الكون يجمعون لـه الضالون والمغضوب عليهم و الذين مردوا على النفـاق في بـلاد الاســراء والمعراج, عند جبل مجدون, وتخـرج له ملكة الدنيـا والمكر, زانية اسمها امريكا تراود العالم يومئذ في الضلال والكفر, ويهود الدنيا يومئذ في اعلى علييـن, يملكون كل القدس, والمدينة المقدسة , وكل البلاد تاتي من البحر والجو الا بـلاد الثلـج الرهـيب وبـلاد الحـر الرهيب, ويرى المهدي ان كل الدنيا عليه بالمكر السيء, ويرى الله اشد مكرا, ويرى ان كل كون الله له, اليه المرجع والمصير, وكل الدنيا شجرة له ان يملكها فرعا وجذرا. وفي ارض الاسراء والمعـراج حـرب كل الدنيـا ينـذر لها المهدي ان لم يخرج الكفار, فيجمعون له كفار الدنيـا اكبر باس لم ير مثله, في اسر قوة ليهود الخزر وبني اسرائيل بقايا لا علم بهم, ويرى المهدي باس الله اشد, وان وعد الله حق لا يؤخر, فيرميهم الله باكرب رمي, ويحرق عليهم الارض والبحر والسماء, وتمطر السماء مطر السوء, ويلعن اهل الارض كل كفار الارض, وياذن الله بـزوال كـل الكفر في حرب المسيخ الدجال, وحربـه في ارض الشـام والسر

(Salam wa Harb fi-akhir Zaman al-Rabb ("Peace and War during the End times of the Lord"), Al-Harith bin Salam bin Mu'ath bin Mad'haan al-Madani)

As I do not understand Arabic, I am not sure what else this other version says.

9
What does that have to do with Muhammad's followers praying toward the Quraish pagan's black stone idol in Mecca, located in a town that did not exist before the 4th century AD, my friend? What does it have to do with Muhammad's followers engaging in thinly veneered Arabian pagan moon, sun, star and jinn-devil worship rituals?
watch?v=xfWy5KaFvbU
Mat 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

he Sabians were monotheistic MOON worshipers. No coincidence the Sabians/Harranians also:
1. "prayed five times a day
2. performed ablution
3. prostrated in prayer
4. fasted" (skipped lunch for a month) during the same month of Ramadan, which begins and ends with the crescent moon in the sky.
5. wore long white robes
watch?v=yR3Bla8YwbU

Just because some prophets prostrated at times doesn't make Islamic prayer valid. Prophets did not prostrate 5 times a day towards a idol temple with a  black stone. Only pagan did, and Muhammad copied them.

Assalaaamu alaiykum,

To begin, the holy city of Mecca has been proven to predate the 4th century CE back to at least before the 1st century BCE, where it is referred to as "Makoraba" and even earlier in the Bible where it is referred to as "Bakka". The Kaaba was built by Prophet Abraham and his son, Prophet Ishmael as a house of God, for monotheists to sanctify, pray, and circumambulate:

Qur'an (English Translation) 22:26-29: We showed Abraham the site of the House, saying, ‘Do not assign partners to Me. Purify My House for those who circle around it, those who stand to pray, and those who bow and prostrate themselves. Proclaim the Pilgrimage to all people. They will come to you on foot and on every kind of swift mount, emerging from every deep mountain pass to attain benefits and celebrate God’s name, on specified days, over the livestock He has provided for them––feed yourselves and the poor and unfortunate––so let the pilgrims perform their acts of cleansing, fulfill their vows, and circle around the Ancient House.’

Later generations of Arabs corrupted it with polytheism and idolatry, until Prophet Muhammad purified it around 629 CE and restored the Abrahamic rituals associated with it and with the pilgrimage to it. Furthermore, the "black stone" at the corner of the Kaaba is not an "idol", it is only used as a marker for the starting and ending point of circumambulation around the Kaaba.

With regards to the Harranians and their polytheistic idolatry, both have erroneously been conflated with the true Sabians and their rituals. Historically, there were 2 groups of people referred to as "Sabians": The Mandaeans and the Harranians, with the former being monotheistic, while the latter was polytheistic. However, the polytheistic Harranians only adopted the term "Sabian" for themselves in 832-833 CE when they felt pressured to do so under Caliph al-Ma'mun. Before that time, only the Mandaeans were referred to as "Sabians", and therefore it is only the Mandaeans who are the "Sabians" mentioned in the Holy Qur'an and by the earliest Muslims before the rule of Caliph al-Ma'mun. The earliest descriptions of these Sabians by Muslims were that they were "a sect of Christianity", believe that "there is no deity but God", "read the Zabur (Psalms)", "fast 30 days a year", "believed in prophets and prayed five times daily" whose religion was said to be "between Judaism and Magianism". In addition they declared their chief prophet to be Prophet Yahya bin Zakariyya ("John the Baptist"). However, they are said to believe in some Prophets (ex: Adam, Noah, Yahya) while rejecting others (ex: Moses, Abraham, Jesus), which is denounced in the Qur'an:

Qur'an (English Translation) 150-152: As for those who ignore God and His messengers and want to make a distinction between them, saying, ‘We believe in some but not in others,’ seeking a middle way, they are really disbelievers: We have prepared a humiliating punishment for those who disbelieve. But God will give [due] rewards to those who believe in Him and His messengers and make no distinction between any of them. God is most forgiving and merciful.

Like Judaism and Christianity, Sabianism/Mandaeism also has similarities and differences with Islam. This is to be expected if they adhere to any of the messages of God's prophets, whose messages have always been Islam (Harmony with God). The similarities and parallels with the other Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Christianity, Sabianism) only further underscores the fact that Islam is not a new religion that started with Prophet Muhammad, but is a religion adhered to by all of God's prophets, since Prophet Adam and Prophet Abraham. The laws, traditions and rituals may vary according to changing times, peoples and circumstances, but the religion does not.

also he claims dome of the rock is the abomination of desolation in this link here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N39msxDcJi

finally he mentioned this on his site


With regards to Biblical prophecy, many Christians, especially of the Zionist variety, have erroneously conflated it antagonistically with Islamic prophecy, and with Islam in general, where the protagonists in one are the antagonists in the other, and vice versa. Unfortunately for this approach, there are a lot of major inconsistencies, which they haphazardly try to gloss over with mental gymnastics and a lot of creative interpretation. There is of course much greater consistency when Biblical prophecy and Islamic prophecy are interpreted with a more complementary understanding, rather than an adversarial one. So here is the key to interpreting Biblical prophecy in contemporary terms:

The 5th Kingdom (in the prophecy of Daniel): The Kingdom of God on Earth = Islam, including the Muslim Caliphates, Sultanates and dynasties of the past

The third temple = Masjid al-Aqsa/Bayt al-Maqduis in Jerusalem

The Awaited Unlettered Prophet = The Shiloh = The Paraclete = The Spirit of Truth = The Son of Man who will come in the latter days = The Chosen One (Mustafa) = Ahmad = Prophet Muhammad – God's blessing and peace be on him.

The New Jerusalem = Makkah/Mecca.

The "Davidic king" of latter-days/" "(Promised) Deliverer"/The "Prince of Princes" = The Khalifatullah (Deputy of God), Imam Sayyid Muhammad bin Abdullah, the Mahdi

Jesus Christ = the Messiah, 'Eyssa bin Maryam.

The Beast ("Anti-Christ") = the Dajjal as an unseen force and a worldwide social, cultural phenomenon.

The false Prophet = the false Messiah (al-Masih ad-dajjal)

The 2 witnesses = the 2 Angels resembling 2 Prophets that will accompany the false Messiah on either side of him, bear witnessing against him (Ref: Musnad Ahmad)

The Saints of the Most High = the Muslims

Gog and Magog = Ya'juj and Ma'juj

The little horn = the abomination of desolation = the State of Israel.

The New Babylon = New York City.

The Great Harlot = the United States of America.

Pages: [1]