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Once you believe in in Allah, then anything Allah says is proof. All these questions branch out from the question of is Islam true or not. After we have proven Islam Is the truth (which has been proven) then anything that Allah says is the truth. We don't need any empirical evidence for existence of hell or heaven. Allah's word is the proof. Also same for al-lauh al mahfuz, Allahs throne, angels... Etc.

This Book, there is no doubt in it, is a guide to those who guard (against evil). Those who believe in the unseen and keep up prayer and spend out of what We have given them.  [2:2-3]

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Hadith: “The last Hour will not come unless the land of the Arabs once again becomes (1) meadows (2) and rivers.” (*). Reported by Muslim, (3)Ahmad (4), Ibn Hibban (5), and Al Hakim(6), from Suhayl ibn Abu Salih, from his father, on the authority of Abu Hurayrah that the Messenger of Allah (may  the peace and the blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “The Last Hour will not come before wealth becomes abundant and overflowing, as much as a person will take Zakat (charity)out of his property and cannot find anyone to accept it from him and till the land of Arabia once again becomes meadows and rivers.” This version was narrated by Muslim, but the point of reference is same in the version of others.
 
Reasoning:

This Hadith was Quoted by Al Sheikh `Abdul `Aziz Az-Zindani, in a conversation between him and the Professor (7) Kroner (8), Sheikh asked him several questions (9), including: Were the countries of Arab orchards and rivers? Professor Kroner replied: Yes. Sheikh asked: When was that? He answered: It was during the ice age that passed by the land, because the ice piles up in the Arctic pole and then it slides towards the south, when it approaches the Arabian Peninsula, relatively closer, the phenomenon of weather change is natural, So the Arab countries will have in future gardens and rivers more than any country in the world. Sheikh asked him: Are Arab countries going to be changed into orchards and rivers? He answered: Yes, this is a scientific fact. Sheikh was surprised by his answer that it was a scientific fact despite it is an issue related to the future. Sheikh asked: Why? He answered: Because, the ice age has begun actually, the snow is creeping from the Arctic pole to the south again on its way to near the territories of the Arab countries. And he added: One of our evidence on this reality is what you hear about the snow storms which strike every winter the northern cities, in Europe and America. It is among the evidences of those scientists on this reality. In Addition to this, they have other great evidences for this scientific fact Sheikh told him: What you have mentioned was not discovered by scientists but after the long series of studies after they used complicated machines that facilitated them to achieve such results, but we found this mentioned in the words of the unlettered Prophet Muhammad (may the peace and the blessings of Allah be upon him) before 1400 year. Then Sheikh mentioned the Hadith and asked him saying: Who told the Prophet Muhammad (may the peace and the blessings of Allah be upon him) that Arabia was going to be once gardens and rivers.
Professor Kroner replied immediately and said: Romans. Sheikh realized Professor Kroner’s ability to escape from complicated questions; so he thought to ask another question and said: who informed the Prophet Muhammad (may the peace and the blessings of Allah be upon him) that Arabian peninsula will become meadows and rivers in future? Professor Kroner used to escape whenever he was embarrassed, and if there was a chance to escape, but if there was truth he was brave enough to announce his opinion frankly. That is why he admitted that this could not be said but only by a revelation from divine. End of the dialogue. (10)

Furthermore, this Hadith was quoted by `Abdul Majid Az-Zindani, Mustafa `Abdul Wahid, and Alison Palmer (11) in their research entitled (Geological Concepts - Ideas - in the Qur'an and the Prophetic Hadith) (12), where they said: "Perhaps the most surprising fact is the reality that was stated in the Dignified Hadith." Then they mentioned the Hadith and said: "The geological and archeological evidence that proves that the Arab countries were green in past and will return to it, is an idea that did not appear but merely since a century. Is it possible for Prophet Muhammad (may the peace and the blessings of Allah be upon him) to discover such information by his own mind and personally? The scientist "Palmer" answers to this question saying that it is absolutely impossible for many observations to approach such findings; as it requires a very advanced understanding of the natural history. Then he added that returning of Arab lands to meadows and rivers is a matter that could not be concluded through the inherited information of past, indeed it is impossible, and there is no logical and clear explanation for returning Arabian Peninsula to better weather conditions. "End of quote.
On the Other hand, Dr. Zaghloul An-Najjar explains this subject and says: “We have geological studies confirming that the Arabian Peninsula has witnessed eight heavy rainy periods followed with seven drought seasons, and now we are in seventh drought season, though the scientists expect returning of this session to the session of rain again, and there are many scientific evidences that confirm this notion. Furthermore, when the Prophet (may the peace and the blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “The Hour will not come until the land of the Arabs once again becomes meadows and rivers.” Hence, it is a testimony for the truth of the Prophet (may the peace and the blessings of Allah be upon him); because no one in his time knew that the Arabian Peninsula was meadows and rivers in the past, and no one expected that it will return to that again."(13)
 
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(1) The Arabic word ‘`Aad’ means to return and it has many sorts of uses in Arabic language, for detail see, the dictionary, Lisan Al `Arab, and Mo`ajam Al Wasit. (Alphabetic order of: A, W, D. ).

(2) The Arabic world mentioned in the Hadith ‘Al Marj’ denotes a tract of grassland used as pasture for the animals. Mo`ajam Maqayis Al-Lughah (5/315). And An-Nihayah,(4/315) explains that Al Marj is the vast land, with many sorts of plants where the animals can graze the grass freely. (*)Innahul Haq or ‘This is the Truth’ p (31).

(3) Sahih Muslim - Book of Zakat – Chapter: Exhortation to give charity before the day when no one will accept it. (2/701)This Hadith was mentioned after the Hadith No. 1012, Method of the editor is to mention the first number of Hadith on every place it was repeated, and he put No. (157) in the first place but the first place under No. 157 dose not contain the words referred by the writer.

(4) Al Musnad (2/370,371,417).

(5) Al Ihsan (8/247 Hadith No. 6665).

(6) Al Mustadrak (4/477).

(7) Professor in Arabic is called Al Ustaz.

(8) Sheikh said about him: “He is the most famous scientists in the world in geology, known among scientists, through his critique of the theories. See ‘The book Innahul Haq’ p (28). And Sheikh mentioned in some lectures that he is a German scientist specialized in Arabian peninsula and the land of Africa.

(9)-Sheikh has pointed out  in some of his lectures, that this interview took place in the School of Earth Sciences at the University of King Abdul Aziz in Jeddah.

(10) This dialogue was mentioned by Sheikh Az-Zindani in many of his lectures, then in his television program entitled (Innahul Haq or ‘This is the Truth’). Afterwards it was published by the Board of scientific miracles in a small booklet. This dialogue was mentioned on page No. (30-32), and was quoted by Dr. Mamun Shaqfah in his book (The Resolute Place of Resting)

(11) and by Sheikh Ash_Sh`arawi in his book (Physical Evidence on the Existence of God, p 114 115), and Mahmud Mahdi Al Istnabuli in his book (Scientific Miracle of Qur’an) (p. 187-189).

(12) Of the most famous geologists in the United States, he was Chairman of the Committee, which supervised the centennial celebration ceremony of the Geological Society of America. (Innahul Haq or ‘This is the Truth’) p (68).

(13) Research of the first World Conference for the scientific miracles in the Qur’an and Sunnah - Islamabad – Pakistan. (P. 11.12).

(14) In a lecture entitled (Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an) in Abha Literary Club, No. (8962/2) in the recordings of At-Taqwa.     

In Surah al-Shu’ara of the Quran, Allah (subhana wa ta’ala) tells us that the land of the people of Aad in Arabia used to be like Paradise before Allah destroyed them. Where they used to live is now a part of the dry Arabian desert. SubhanAllah

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: A question to mclinkin94
« on: March 08, 2014, 12:05:58 PM »
If the Companions were with the Prophet and they wanted to leave to go somewhere, it was considered to be one of the necessary aspects of emaan that they should first seek his
permiission:

The true believers are only those, who believe in Allah and His Messenger, and when they are with him on some common matter, they do not leave until they have asked his permission. Verily! Those who ask your permission, those are they who [really] believe in Allah and His Messenger. So if they ask your permission for some affairs of theirs, give permission to whom you will of them, and ask Allah for their forgiveness. Truly, Allah is Oft Forgiving, Most Merciful. (Qur'an 24: 62)

If Allah made it a necessary element of faith for the Companions to seek permission to go somewhere when they were with the Prophet, then it is even more obvious that it is a
necessary element of faith for them not to adopt a view in Religion without fIrst seeking his permission.


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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: A question to mclinkin94
« on: March 08, 2014, 11:19:59 AM »
The Qur'aan itself refers to revelation being received from Allah that is not found in the Qur'aan and here are few examples:

Allah says in the Qur'aan, "And We made the Qiblah (prayer direction towards Jerusalem) which you used to face, only to test those who followed the Messenger (Muhammad)." [Soorah al-Baqarah (2): 143]

This verse shows that Allah had assigned the previous Qiblah of the Muslims but there is no verse in the Qur'aan designating Jerusalem as the previous Qibla. This means that there has to be an alternative form of 'Wahy' (revelation) apart from the Qur'aan through which Allah revealed the previous command of facing towards Jerusalem. This Command is in the Sunnah of the Prophet PBUH.

"And (remember) when the Prophet PBUH disclosed a matter in confidence to one of his wives (Hafsah), so when she told it (to another i.e. Aa'isha), and Allah made it known to him, he informed part thereof and left a part. Then when he told her (Hafsah) thereof, she said, 'Who told you this?' He said, 'The All-Knower, the All-Aware (Allah) has told me." [Soorah at-Tahrim (66): 3]

The verse says, "Allah made it known to him," and yet, there is no verse in the Qur'aan that makes mentions this.

To obey the Prophet is to obey Allah:

He who obeys the Messenger [Muhammad] has indeed obeyed Allah.. (Qur'an 4: 80)

Say [Muhammad to mankind]: 'If you [really] love Allah then follow me, Allah will love you and forgive you of your sins.' ...(Qur'an 3: 31)


See whoever follows the Prophets Sunnah follows Allah.

Do not hold the Messenger's calling (you) among you to be like your calling one to the other; Allah indeed knows those who steal away from among you, concealing themselves; therefore let those beware who go against his order lest a trial afflict them or there befall them a painful chastisement. (24:63)

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: A question to mclinkin94
« on: March 08, 2014, 10:35:46 AM »
Allah says, "And if they believe as you (i.e.,the Sahabah) believe then they are rightly guided, but if they turn away, then they are only in opposition." [Soorah al-Baqarah (2): 137]In light of this verse, the correct understanding is what emulates the beliefs and understandings of the Sahabah (the Prophet's Companions).

The Sahabah were the fortunate people who accompanied the Prophet and learned the religion directly from him . They witnessed the revelation of the Qur'aan and the Sunnah and experienced the circumstances in which they were revealed. The Sahabah's understanding of the religion is therefore, the most pure and perfect, and they are a group that has definitely succeeded in achieving what Faith is meant to achieve, i.e. Allah's Pleasure. So if your going against them your going against the prophet, therefore going against Allah Azawajal.

“And the first to embrace Islam of the Muhajirun (those who migrated from Makkah to al-Medina) and the Ansar (the people of al-Medina who helped the Muhajirun) and also those who followed them exactly (in Faith). Allah is well-pleased with them as they are well-pleased with Him. He has prepared for them Gardens under which rivers flow (Paradise), to dwell therein forever. That is the supreme success.” [Soorah at-Tawbah (9):100]

Allah says, "Indeed, in the Messenger of Allah (Muhammad ) you have a good example to follow, for him who hopes in (the Meeting with) Allah and the Last Day and remembers Allah much." [Soorah al-Ahzab (33): 21]

Now you can turn and twist this anyway you like saying " to follow the prophet is to follow Allah". But here it say follow the prophet as an example. In other verses yes it can be said to follow Prophet is to follow Allah. But here it says to follow the Prophet as example. What is his example? His sunnah. He himself. So to follow the prophet is also to follow Allah. So it applies to other verses as well. The truth stands out from falsehood. Its upto you to leave your modernist corrupted interpretations and follow the truth.

The very purpose of sending a human Messenger was for people to take him as an example in their day to day lives, "Say, 'If there were on the earth, angels walking about in peace and security, We should certainly have sent down for them from the heaven, an angel as a Messenger." [Soorah al-Isra (17): 95]

See Allah sent us a human messenger so we could benefit from the life and sayings and EXAMPLE of Muhammad who lived as we lived. We follow him in how to eat, what to say, when to say, how to make wudu.....etc all the examples of a human prophet.


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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: A question to mclinkin94
« on: March 08, 2014, 09:41:07 AM »
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The religion hasn't been corrupted. Many Quranists have existed back then and today. And the fact that I am here defending true Islam shows Allah protecting his deen.
So this argument is invalid.

I know Islam hasnt been corrupted. Allah has protected Islam, unlike other religions like christianity and Judaism. But the people get corrupted. Just like the hadith rejectors, like the shia, like sufi mushriks, like batiniyah..etc.

Thats a GREAT LIE. There hasnt been many hadith rejectors in the past. In the past their were groups that rejected AHAD narrations or other levels of transmissions. For example, the  Mu'tazila. From the 8th century , they believed in Hadiths that were mutawatir but not Ahad. But they accepted ahad narrations on occasions. For basic information:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mu%27tazila#Validity_of_hadith

So this argument is valid

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I've been on this topic for years...I gave you evidence, and now it is your turn to search. See both sides of the argument

I refuted your claims and gave you evidence. I have searched and looked at both sides of the argument. Actually i was a part hadith rejector myself for a few months but alhamdulilah i saw the overwhelming evidence and returned back to the Ahl As Sunnah Wal Jama'ah.

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NOPE. Arguments from authority have no validity in Islam

Arguments from authority do have validity. Just as arguments from Allah has validity, because he is authority. Just like arguments from the prophet has validity, because he is authority. And just like the arguments from scholars has validity because they are the authority.

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Like I said and keep saying. GIVE ME their arguments, and I will show you why they are invalid. That is how we debate. Why are you so reluctant to do this? Fear?
I've viewed their arguments, but how could I know which ones you adhere to? So this is up to you. Either you present arguments, or you just say that Islamic authorities support your version of Islam (if you can even call it Islam).Again, arguments from authoirty have no value. I could site Shia scholars and say "see they are scholars, they know more than you therefore their version of Islam (if you can call it Islam) is right". So no. you are gonna need to do better than that.

Mclinkin i have gave you evidence from the Quran. Stop trying to act like you havent read the evidence and hide away. Arguments are in the scholars of ISlam i have read them but i am not going to go on a hunt for every information in every book. You go and look at the info. Again evidence has been presented. There is no such thing as Shia scholars. Once they come back to Islam then they will be in authority until then they are kafirs. The only "knowledge" that they have is the lies that they made up 10 min before they give a speech.

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Time of the Sahaabah? How do you know that is what they said? How do you know? Through utilizing a potentially corrupt source. Wow, looks like you are using reason as the Quran wants you to use...

No. The source wasnt corrupt but was protected by the people. There were hadith compilations in the time of the sahaabah and the tabieen. That were related to us through mutawatir chains. The same muttawatir chains and individuals that transmitted the Quran.

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Anyway, enough with the authority nonsense. I could point you to many hadith rejecters who are scholars, but, I don't do that. Instead I present arguments...

point them to me, let me investigate who they are.

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The same arguments apply to your version of Islam. They are not arguments, you just slandered shia Islam and any shia can slander your version and call you shirk and kufr.

My whole point was that arguments from authority hold no value as I could point you to Shia scholars with authority. And I could say "they know more than you, therefore they are right". That is what you are doing with me. You are pointing me to scholars and saying that they know best and therefore are right.

The whole point am saying is that "shia scholars" do not believe in Islam, they dont have evidence from the Quran or Sunnah. The same with you.

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Yes, the Sahabbah obeyed the messenger through orders in the Quran only!!!! The prophet's orders come from the Quran only. He makes up nothing new.

Where did the Quran say the follow the prophet is to follow the Quran and Sunna!!!!! Where!!!! Stop with this heresy, this is the talk of a disbeliever!

You liar. Your saying that the prophet only spoke Quran, and he didnt say a word. How did he live. How did he walk in the street. When people greeted him did he stay silent. When aisha talked to him did he keep his mouth closed. NO. He talked, he lived, he was the explainer of the Quran. His life is testimony to that. He didnt make anything knew these are the sunnah in accordance with the QUran. Its not a new law or something. Or are you saying that the prophet did speak and order the believer to do something but it is ok for the sahabah to disobey the prophet because it was not a Quranic verse?? Astaghfurrulaah. You are misguided. Better Study Islam again.

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”Shall I seek other than God as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed?” The Word of your Lord is complete in truth and in justice” 6:115

Does that sound like Allah wanted you to use an external source given that the Quran is fully detailed and complete. HOw about these verses:

”This is not fabricated ‘hadith’; this (Quran) confirms all previous scriptures, provides the details of everything, and is a guidance and mercy for those who believe” 12:111
”We have revealed to you this book to provide explanations for everything, and guidance and mercy and good news for the submitters” 16:89

In spite of the very clear words: “fully detailed”, “details of everything” and “explanations for everything” the corrupt interpreters somehow still claim that the Quran does not include all the details! Sadly, they claim that the Quran has only mentioned the major outlines of the religion while as the details of everyday rituals are only to be found in the Hadith and Sunna!

These false claims only go to expose these people’s ignorance of the Quran, and also their disbelief in God's words.

Then the prophet explained these verses explained Islam. He did not add anything to the Islam that Allah didnt order.

You are a outright disbeliever for disbelieving in the Quran and the Prophet.

Say, [O Muhammad], "O mankind, indeed I am the Messenger of Allah to you all, [from Him] to whom belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth. There is no deity except Him; He gives life and causes death." So believe in Allah and His Messenger, the unlettered prophet, who believes in Allah and His words, and follow him that you may be guided. [Quran 7:158]

59:7. ...And whatsoever the Messenger (Muhammad SAW) gives you, take it, and whatsoever he forbids you, abstain (from it)...

All the rest of the comment you made is telling the people to believe in the Quran because that is the recitation that was revealed. If they disbelieve in the Quran of course they are going to disbelieve in the prophet. You are so deceptive in twisting the truth.



















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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: A question to mclinkin94
« on: March 07, 2014, 06:18:07 PM »
"Believe in Allah and His Messenger and the light which He sent down." [Al-Qur'an 64:8]

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: A question to mclinkin94
« on: March 07, 2014, 05:58:49 PM »
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Invalid argument. Did Allah protect Christianity? Did Allah protect Judiasm? No. Allah just tests us and sees whether humans will succeed. Its not that hard. This argument holds no water. Valid arguments would be those that show the Quran and Allah want us to follow hadiths.

Invalid argument. Allah has says that he is going to protect his Deen till the day of Judgement. Islam is not Christianity or Judaism. Allah tests us. But Allah does not let his religion be corrupted.

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I told you before, instead of arguing from authority, give me the scholar’s arguments and I will refute them to show you they aren’t good arguments.

I provided you with the basic fundamental evidence. You accept or do not. If you want further evidence read the books of the scholars that show more in depth evidence. Am not going to give you a 1000 page essay. If you are seeking the truth, seek it. I gave you a start.

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You have disregarded my point completely. Please go back and read. Islam is NOT based on sunnah. You are in the delusion. My point was arguments from authority have no value to me. Give ME their actual arguments and again, I will show you why they are invalid.

Islam is based on the sunnah, as i have shown before. So you ARE in the delusion. And about authority. Arguments from authority do have validity in Islam, only if the arguments are in accordance with Islam.

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Then you are clearly misinformed. The only scholars you are aware of are the ones that graduate from Saudi Arabian universities. There are many many scholars and knowledgeable people who deny hadiths

No am not actually. The scholars am aware of are from the time of Sahaabah throught all the generations upto now. Before their was the saudi state. And even after it. In many institutions of knowledge from all over the face of the globe.

Anyway what about "saudi arabian universities".?

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Now let me reverse this question to you to show you how your argument holds absolutely no water. How about all the shia scholars? Eh? You saying that ALL of them were in error and Allah failed in his deen to the muslims. There are many shia scholars who are more knowledgeable than you.

Yes all of the ones that ascribed commited shirk and kufr, and went opposed Islam are in error. And Allah did not fail them but they failed themselves for straying from the Quran and Sunnah that Prophet brought. As you see they departed from the muslims at the time of Husseins death about 61 AH. Majority shias dont even follow our Quran by the way. And claim tahreef (its been distorted). Astaghfurullah.

No shia kaffir is knowledgeable.  So you see it does hold water. See how my argument is strong.

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Where does the Quran mention the Sunnah of the prophet?

Why did Allah make the distinction obey GOD AND HIS MESSENGER? Because if you don’t obey the messenger, you don’t obey the message, therefore you don’t obey Allah.

Allah wants to inform you that you are to follow what the prophet says (the Quran states that the prophet says the Quran and nothing else). And by following what the prophet says, you are following the message (the Quran) which means you are following Allah. Allah made that distinction so it can become clear that the prophet is a religious authority because Allah has given him the message that we are all to follow.

To follow the Prophet, is to follow the Quran and Sunnah. So what your saying is that the sahaabah obeyed the Messenger in through orders from the Quran but didnt or didnt have to obey the Prophet when he spoke as a human. Or are you saying that he didnt speak for 23 years except the Quran? See your arguments are invalid.

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If you don’t follow the messenger whose sole duty is to give the message, then you are NOT following the message or Allah. So if you are to be guided, you are to follow what the messenger says. And the Quran states the messenger gives the message and the message is in the form of the Quran. NOTHING ELSE. The Quran has not stated that the message is in any other form than the Quran. If there is another source besides the Quran, why would Allah neglect to at least mention it or recognize it.

And I have disregarded your rhetorical usage of 2:269 as it applies to you rather than me.

To summarize: IF you don't obey the messenger and you don't follow the messenger, you are not guided because you are not following the message. The Quran had told us that the prophet's duty is only to give the message. That means all the prophet does is give the message and act accordingly to the message. IF you do not follow him, THEN you are not following the message. Allah makes that clear so that people can follow the prophet and therefore the message. It is not rocket science!

Prophet is to be followed as said in the Quran. Allah said who ever obeys the Quran is a believer. but also says the Prophet, meaning his sunnah.

3:31. Say (O Muhammad SAW): "If you (really) love Allah then follow me, Allah will love you and forgive you of your sins. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."

3:32. Say (O Muhammad SAW): "Obey Allah and the Messenger (Muhammad SAW)."...

3:132. And obey Allah and the Messenger (Muhammad SAW) that you may obtain mercy.

4:13. ...and whosoever obeys Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad SAW) will be admitted to Gardens under which rivers flow (in Paradise), to abide therein, and that will be the great success.

4:59. O you who believe! Obey Allah and obey the Messenger...

4:64. We sent no Messenger, but to be obeyed...

4:69. And whosoever obeys Allah and the Messenger (Muhammad SAW), then they will be in the company of those on whom Allah has bestowed His Grace...

4:80. He who obeys the Messenger (Muhammad SAW), has indeed obeyed Allah...

5:92. And obey Allah and the Messenger...

8:1. ...and obey Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad SAW), if you are believers.

8:20. O you who believe! Obey Allah and His Messenger, and turn not away from him (Messenger Muhammad SAW)...

8:46. And obey Allah and His Messenger...

9:71. ...and obey Allah and His Messenger...

24:52. And whosoever obeys Allah and His Messenger (SAW), fears Allah, and keeps his duty (to Him), such are the successful ones.

24:54. Say: "Obey Allah and obey the Messenger...

24:56. ...and obey the Messenger (Muhammad SAW) that you may receive mercy (from Allah).

33:21. Indeed in the Messenger of Allah (Muhammad SAW) you have a good example to follow...

33:33. ...and obey Allah and His Messenger...

33:71. ...And whosoever obeys Allah and His Messenger (SAW) he has indeed achieved a great achievement.

47:33. O you who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger (Muhammad SAW)...

48:17. ...And whosoever obeys Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad SAW), He will admit him to Gardens beneath which rivers flow (Paradise)...

59:7. ...And whatsoever the Messenger (Muhammad SAW) gives you, take it, and whatsoever he forbids you, abstain (from it)...

64:12.  Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger (Muhammad SAW)...


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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: A question to mclinkin94
« on: March 04, 2014, 11:29:12 AM »
Great response. Dont bother akhi black muslim. He has been shown the evidences and has been refuted. In reality, he is the person that is scared and has doubts about his belief and thats why tries to show evolution in the Quran and thats why he also dismisses the Hadiths. He is the person who feels shy to tell a kafir that the hand of a theif should be cut off. That the Prophet PBUH killed people that attacked him physically and verbally.

THE QURAN AND SUNNAH IS THE TRUTH. WE HEAR AND OBEY

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: A question to mclinkin94
« on: March 03, 2014, 11:05:39 PM »
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So hold on, people who get Ph.D's are always right? Knowledgeable people are always right, they are infallible. Most of them can't be wrong?

Individually not always right. Each person has faults, as everyone is human. But we are talking now about not the Jama3a of Scholars. Impossible that they would all agree on falsehood from the time of Sahaaba till now. But Allah protects the Deen with Scholars. So most of the they are right.

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Well clearly you haven't heard of the scientific history in the united states. When the big bang evidence came out, nearly ALL scientists rejected it and appealed to the steady state model. So people you would just give an argument from authority and say "most scientists believe in the steady state model, so the big bang is bogus"

Lol you are so ignorant, Wake up man, your living in a delusion and you cant see it. Islam is not Astronomy or chemistry, it is not hypthesis and theories. Islam is different to science. Two different realms. Islam has been established by Quran and Sunnah. While science keeps changing..etc. So yeah mclinkin, Islam isnt the big bang thory.

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By, the way, do you think there are no Quranist scholars? I could name several.


No need. Most of the rejector of hadiths "scholars" came about in the 1880s and onwards except a few. This alone is evidence for me.

So for 1200 years and even now and most likely till the Judgement day your saying all Muslims scholars and all muslims were in error. Astaghfirullah, your saying Allah failed in his  Deen to the Muslims. Please dont be ignorant, and stop this fitnah.

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Secondly, how do you know that information that they traveled so long distances to authenticate a hadith? By using hadiths...

Using history.

“Verily, the vilest of all creatures in the sight of God are those deaf, those dumb ones who do not use their intellect.” (Quran; 8:22)

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Thanks Ali for bringing this up. I have answered this in many other posts in this blog and I feel like I am being repetitive. If you want please take a look at: www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1445.0.html :This is where I discussed nearly all of these points that Muslims tend to raise.  I will explain once more:

You have also been refuted in many posts and we too feel we are having to be repetitive. Took a look at the thread and your arguments were clearly defeated by the brothers. 

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Many people still quote this verse and say that it authorizes hadiths.  Well, I have 2 verses that explain this very well:
 
"And obey God and obey the messenger and be cautious; but if you turn back, then know that the sole duty of the messenger is the deliverance (of the message)" 5:92

"And obey God and obey the messenger, but if you turn back, then upon Our messenger is the sole duty of the clear delivery (of the message)" 64:12

When we look at the above Quranic words, we note that God has defined very clearly the only duty of the Messenger, that being to deliver the message (Quran).
We also have in the above Quranic verses a very strong link between:
 
1- Obeying the messenger
2- The sole duty of the messenger was to deliver the message
 
1 + 2 = we must obey the message he delivered.
The word Messenger is derived from the word Message. A Messenger delivers a Message. If there was no message there would be no messenger. To Obey the Messenger would thus mean to obey the message he is delivering. the message that the prophet is delivering has been told to us in the Quran that it IS ONLY the Quran.

If we weren't to follow the messenger, then we aren't to follow the message which means we aren't follow Allah.

Yes i know he is sent to deliver the message, the Quran. If it was just to believe in the Quran it would be only God, but God says obey GOD AND HIS MESSENGER. To obey God would be to obey his Messenger, but God specifically makes a difference. To Obey God would be to follow the Quran but Allah also says his messenger. So it is the Quran & Sunnah.

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Same as above. We follow the prophet and therefore Allah through following his message because that is his sole duty. So we follow the Quran.

Same as verses proving the Sunnah. We follow Allah and his Messenger, the Quran and Sunnah. Lets show it

Say, [O Muhammad], "O mankind, indeed I am the Messenger of Allah to you all, [from Him] to whom belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth. There is no deity except Him; He gives life and causes death." So believe in Allah and His Messenger, the unlettered prophet, who believes in Allah and His words, and follow him that you may be guided. [Quran 7:158]

1- Believe in Allah and His Messenger
2- Follow him so you may be guided

To FOLLOW FOLLOW FOLLOW FOLLOW him so you may be guided. Allah could of said follow the Quran only so you may be guided or follow Allah only so you may be guided. And does elsewhere but in addition follow the MESSENGER AND HIS SUNNAH SO YOU MAY BE GUIDED.

"But none will grasp the message except the men of intellect."
[Quran 2:269]

 

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: www.LearnChristianity.ORG
« on: March 03, 2014, 03:14:19 PM »
Wasalam Akhi,

Just a question, Cant you create your own website domain? And name it any name you want?

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: A question to mclinkin94
« on: March 03, 2014, 01:06:30 PM »
And whoever obeys Allah and the Messenger - those will be with the ones upon whom Allah has bestowed favor of the prophets, the steadfast affirmers of truth, the martyrs and the righteous. And excellent are those as companions. [Quran 4:69]

Say, [O Muhammad], "O mankind, indeed I am the Messenger of Allah to you all, [from Him] to whom belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth. There is no deity except Him; He gives life and causes death." So believe in Allah and His Messenger, the unlettered prophet, who believes in Allah and His words, and follow him that you may be guided. [Quran 7:158]

So Mclinkin94 i didnt think i would need to state these verses to someone who says he is a Muslim but there you go. There is the simple proof. If you deny that, which then you are the one to blame only on the day of Judgment. Fear Allah,

Nay! We cast the truth against the falsehood, so that it breaks its head, and lo! it vanishes; and woe to you for what you describe;

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: A question to mclinkin94
« on: March 02, 2014, 05:03:47 PM »
Dont bother Black Muslim. Am sure Mclinkin94, this great scholar, this great Muhaddith who has memorized Quran and got an Ijazah, who has a BA, MA and Phd in Islamic Studies, who has studied Islam for more than 20 years knows better than all the Imams and Scholars. He knows more than Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal, Imam Bukhari, Imam Muslim, Imam Abu Dawood, Imam At-Tirmidhi, Imam Ibn Majah, Imam Ibn Rahwaih, Al Ismaili, Baihaqi, Ar Razi, Al Hakim, Ibn Hibban, Ibn Khuzaima, Ad Daraqtuni, Ad Darimi, Ibn As Sakan, Imam Ashafi'i, At Tabaranee, At Tahawi, Ibn Al Qattan, Imam Malik, Ibn Manda, Abu Ya'la, Ibn Al-Jawzi, Al Baghawi, Ad Dhahabi, Al Haythami, Al Maqsidi, Ibn Hajar, Ibn Hazam, Ibn Kathir, Al Nawawi, Ibn Rajab, Al Baghdadi, Sufyan Ath Thawri, As Suyuti, Az Zahiri, Ibn Taymiyyah and the thousands of other scholars and their students who devoted their whole lives so to protect religion of Islam form falling into corruption and help the muslims of later generations. Who traveled thousands of miles just to authenticate one hadith. They faced hardship that you, me or thousand of us would face in a lifetime. They faced hunger, death, poverty, sold all their wealth for knowledge. Only to be shrugged off by someone sitting eating cocoa krispies behind a computer screen.

If he was so knowledgeable and searching for the truth, he would look into the Quran and listen to the evidences for the sunnah.


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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: A question to mclinkin94
« on: February 27, 2014, 11:17:48 PM »
Salamalaykum akhwaan,

I come in peace  :D

I would also like to say that there are hadiths out there that are false, but the hadiths collected by Muslim & Bukhari i believe are authentic. The reason is the amount of criterion that they have to pass to deem reliable. Actually i think there is a scholarly consensus that Bukhari & Muslim hadiths are all authentic save a few. I think 3 hadiths in Bukhari and 6 in Muslim. On these their is Ikhtilaaf between the scholars on their authenticity. Bukhari memorized 300,000 hadiths by heart, out of them he included only 4,000 traditions in his Sahih. These were the 'Sahih of the Sahih'. (The rest are basically repeated, with different chains of narrators). Before he included a hadith in his Jami' he used to offer Salatul Istikhari 2 rakaats and make dua. Subhannalah thats about 14,000 rakaats for the whole Jami'. May Allah bless Imam Bukhari, i advise everyone to read his biography.

salam

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: SAVE THE MUSLIMS IN SYRIA!!!
« on: February 25, 2014, 05:04:37 PM »
Sorry bro, what i meant to say is that the FSA wants secularism in Syria in general. But there are many brigades in FSA that dont want secularism but want the khalifat. Those i support. And why and who are the fanatics of Sunnis?

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