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Hinduism / Re: OSAMA ABDULLAH - Confirm this urgently!
« on: June 27, 2014, 12:19:30 pm »
I won't go into mazes and stuff . Let me get this straight , Islamophobes whould go so far as to claim prophet Muhammad peace upon him took things from Hinduism ?! Let's see : He couldn't read or write his own language - let alone other ones ! - , he never left the Arabian pensuila , his life - especially after the prophecy - is recorded in details , and his enemies among Arabians , Persians , and Romans - they had spies and agents in the land of course - would have noticed if he had any book from which he takes . After all of this , anyone bringing a script from any religion and claiming prophet Muhammad peace upon him took things from it is making an absurd claim that he can't prove in any way .

On the other hand , it is possible to find truth in different scriptures because we are told that their people altered and corrupted them . So if there are prophecies and such of the prophet peace upon him , that would be pf the remaining truth in them .

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Quranist?
« on: June 27, 2014, 12:13:35 pm »
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1- The belief of the second coming of Jesus was rejected ,doubted not only by the Quranists ,but by some other muslim scholars among them Salafis scholars and grand Imams of Alazhar university.

If there are clear texts from Quran or Sunnah saying he will return , there is no meanining in anyone - no matter who he or she is - rejecting it .

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I AM accepting Islam . You're the one rejecting it . I presented my evidence and you presented your flawed logic in understanding Quran and common sense . So I'll let people decide .

And just so it doesn't get to your head , I didn't stop because I can't answer your so called "evidence" , I stopped after being adviced not to waste time arguing about basic doctrine beliefs of Islam . I STILL believe you have a loose screw , I still believe in the noble Quran and the teachings of the prophet , I still believe that you're extremely ignorant , extremely arrogant , or extremely both .

Incoming "You don't make any solid argument ! You just ad home the great and honorable me !" ? Yes , this wasn't an argument , I'm just saying my opinion of a miserable low life such as yourself .

Incoming "You're rude !" ? Well for someone ( who doesn't just spam the disposals of the human body in his replies but rather deems all humanity except his puny and pathetic group of rejectors destined to hellfire ) you're the last one to talk about morals . Yes , I won't let you live that down . I'll keep holding it against you until the day when all are judged .

So keep following this blasphemous path you chose . Keep altering Islam to suit your desires and the desires of your western masters . If this insane arrogance you hold blinds you this much , then perhaps a shock or two about your so beloved masters and system as they fail miserably in the incoming days - Allah wills - will knock some sense into you .

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I am no brother of yours . The religion is the red line that seperates us . I'm not sure about the judgement in the case of this woman and I leave it to someone who knows better . What I know is that hewr act is forbidden . But believe me , if you ever try to make comparisons between Islam and any other religion or ideology - Yes , that includes secularsim - then I swear you'll see that what ever you accuse Islam of exists double and more in the others be it Judaism and Christianity or anything else .

As for denying the clear narrations of apostasy and it's punishement , I'm really tired , tired of arguing about basic knowledge of Islam . And if most people here choose personal preferences and western preferences as standard to judge Islam which should be judging them , I'll refrain .

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It ends here linckin . You clearly stop at nothing at all to justify your ideology . The truth seekers are good with one evidence , the stubborn and arrogant are not good with a thousand . Call it ad nonsense or whatever you want to call it . I did what I have to do . Who wants to believe will believe and who wants to disbelieve will disbelieve . I just had the duty of exposing you . As for changing your mind , if I can't , maybe someone else can . The people of Sunnah and the group take the noble Quran and the teachings of the prophet peace upon him as sources of law and ways of life . Wither you agree or not doesn't affect that the slightest bit . But once you attempt to spread Kufr among people , you will always find someone to expose it . And if you think claiming the majority of humanity is going to hell while hiding behind the "Ad garbage" you spam and the usual "I'm smart and open minded" nonsense is going to help you spread your so called "True Islam" , think again . You're just the black sheep .

Black , out ( No pun intended ) .

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Are you going to look in the mirror or should I force you to look into it ?

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When we read 2:143-144 we indeed learn of a change of Qibla by God. However, the exact details of this change and the exact location of the previous Qibla does not affect us in any way when we come to observe the Salat. To observe the Salat, we need to know the Qibla which God assigned to us and not to previous people.

It doesn't matter if it has anything to do with us right now or if it doesn't . Muslims used to pray toward Aqsa . That necessarily means it was an order from Allah . Otherwise , you'd be accusing the prophet himself of disobeying the lord .

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It is important here to remind ourselves of the correct meaning of the Quran being “fully detailed”.
Fully details does not mean all historic events are fully detailed, but only what related to the message of the Quran and the law of God.

That's quiet laughable because there's a load of things you CAN'T understand and perform with Quran alone . And it's a futile attempt to distract the actualy issue here . Again , Muslims prayed toward Aqsa

2:142 The foolish among the people will say, "What has turned them away from their qiblah, which they used to face?" Say, "To Allah belongs the east and the west. He guides whom He wills to a straight path.

Meaning they were ordered to . No other possibility . The next sign says so too .

2:143 And thus we have made you a just community that you will be witnesses over the people and the Messenger will be a witness over you. And We did not make the qiblah which you used to face except that We might make evident who would follow the Messenger from who would turn back on his heels. And indeed, it is difficult except for those whom Allah has guided. And never would Allah have caused you to lose your faith. Indeed Allah is, to the people, Kind and Merciful.

Allah is the one who ordered them to pray toward it . And then

2:144 We have certainly seen the turning of your face, [O Muhammad], toward the heaven, and We will surely turn you to a qiblah with which you will be pleased. So turn your face toward al-Masjid al-Haram. And wherever you [believers] are, turn your faces toward it [in prayer]. Indeed, those who have been given the Scripture well know that it is the truth from their Lord. And Allah is not unaware of what they do.

And it's irrelevant to the current case that we currently pray toward Makkah . The case here is that there was another source of revelation along with Quran . Go with your ridiculous ideologies all you want , you can't deny such a simple and self evident fact . Wither it's failure in grasping the Arabic language or basic logic , it doesn't change a thing . And these three signs are some of many .

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It is also necessary to analyse the verses of the change of Qibla more closely:

And as said , incoming acrobatic displays .


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With the words: “We did not appoint the Qiblah which you were on except to …..” we are told of a previous Qibla which God appointed, however we are not told if this Qibla was appointed specifically to Muhammad, or if it was appointed before the time of Muhammad and when Muhammad came it was the Qibla being followed. The words in 2:143 do not say “We did not appoint FOR YOU the Qiblah which you were on except to …..” As a result, the test of who follows the messenger, could be speaking about a previous people and their messenger.

I'm actually surprised how far you can go to justify your blasphemous ideology . As usual , instead of taking the direct and clear meaning , you decide to hide behind "Maybe it's a test to a previous messenger" ! Even if it was appointed before the prophet to previous religions , that doesn't help you in any way . Each messenger is sent to his people and only prophet Muhammad was sent to mankind . So if Muslims used to pray toward Alaqsa , then it MUST have been an order from Allah to them . You're twisting the signs in their clarity to the degree of forcing them out of context !

And here's a lesson in basic Arabic O one who apparently fails in his lessons . These are the signs in their original language

((سَيَقُولُ السُّفَهَاءُ مِنَ النَّاسِ مَا وَلَّاهُمْ عَنْ قِبْلَتِهِمُ الَّتِي كَانُوا عَلَيْهَا ۚ قُلْ لِلَّهِ الْمَشْرِقُ وَالْمَغْرِبُ ۚ يَهْدِي مَنْ يَشَاءُ إِلَىٰ صِرَاطٍ مُسْتَقِيمٍ ))

The foolish will say about Muslims "What made them change the direction of their prayer ?" . Streching it to previous people in this context is absurd and insane .

((وَكَذَٰلِكَ جَعَلْنَاكُمْ أُمَّةً وَسَطًا لِتَكُونُوا شُهَدَاءَ عَلَى النَّاسِ وَيَكُونَ الرَّسُولُ عَلَيْكُمْ شَهِيدًا ۗ وَمَا جَعَلْنَا الْقِبْلَةَ الَّتِي كُنْتَ عَلَيْهَا إِلَّا لِنَعْلَمَ مَنْ يَتَّبِعُ الرَّسُولَ مِمَّنْ يَنْقَلِبُ عَلَىٰ عَقِبَيْهِ ۚ وَإِنْ كَانَتْ لَكَبِيرَةً إِلَّا عَلَى الَّذِينَ هَدَى اللَّهُ ۗ وَمَا كَانَ اللَّهُ لِيُضِيعَ إِيمَانَكُمْ ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ بِالنَّاسِ لَرَءُوفٌ رَحِيمٌ ))

Here it says that this qibla is appointed to the prophet himself along with the rest of Muslism . It says "Kunta"="كنتَ" . That's a singular male object directed at the one whom Quran is revealed to which is with no doubt prophet Muhammad peace upon him .

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1- The question here is if God appointed for Muhammad a previous Qibla through inspiration, as the claim above states, then why would Muhammad be turning his face around the sky in search of a Qibla to follow?

The state of Muhammad being unsure which Qibla to follow is evidence that he never received inspiration from God prior to the revelation of 2:144 about a specific Qibla. It follows that all the Qibla’s which were appointed by God previously were appointed before the time of Muhammad.

2- The second question is that if God appointed a previous Qibla for Muhammad, to test his people as to who will follow the messenger, then it would not be possible for Muhammad, the servant of God, to reject it or have aversion to it.

How delusional ! For the first point o stingy one , prophet Muhammad peace upon him was eager for an order of prayer toward Alharam . That doesn't deny the fact that he was ordered to pray toward Alaqsa . Saying that he was searching for a place to pray toward is an innovation of your own . As for the second point , well , it is also an innovation of your own . On what planet do you take the meaning that the prophet rejected the order of Allah to pray toward Alaqsa ? A Muslim may find an order of Allah difficult but he obeys and doesn't resent it because he knows that what he doesn't know , Allah knows . The wisdom of the lord surpasses by default that of the entire creation .

(( كُتِبَ عَلَيْكُمُ الْقِتَالُ وَهُوَ كُرْهٌ لَكُمْ ۖ وَعَسَىٰ أَنْ تَكْرَهُوا شَيْئًا وَهُوَ خَيْرٌ لَكُمْ ۖ وَعَسَىٰ أَنْ تُحِبُّوا شَيْئًا وَهُوَ شَرٌّ لَكُمْ ۗ وَاللَّهُ يَعْلَمُ وَأَنْتُمْ لَا تَعْلَمُونَ ))

2:216 Fighting has been enjoined upon you while it is hateful to you. But perhaps you hate a thing and it is good for you; and perhaps you love a thing and it is bad for you. And Allah Knows, while you know not.

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These previous Qibla’s, which the prophet was undecided between and thus turning his head in the sky, belonged to the previous people of the book. The Prophet was turning his head undecided between several Qibla’s because the previous people had more than one Qibla as we read in the following verse:

[2:145] Even if you were to produce to those who have been given the scripture every kind of miracle, they will not follow your Qiblah. Nor will you follow their Qiblah. They do not even follow each others' Qiblah and if you follow their wishes, after the knowledge that has come to you, then you would be among the transgressors.

Are you serious ? Did you actually notice the number of the sign ? It coems right after this one

2:144 We have certainly seen the turning of your face, [O Muhammad], toward the heaven, and We will surely turn you to a qiblah with which you will be pleased. So turn your face toward al-Masjid al-Haram. And wherever you [believers] are, turn your faces toward it [in prayer]. Indeed, those who have been given the Scripture well know that it is the truth from their Lord. And Allah is not unaware of what they do.

So AFTER Allah ordered the prophet to pray toward Alharam , the stubborn of Jews and Christians wouldn't follow the qiblah of Muslims - by entering Islam of course - nor Muslims should follow the qiblah of Jews and Christians anymore . It doesn't deny the fact that Muslims did in the past .

In the end , this servant needing to Allah has presented what he has and did what he's capable of . And if I can't show you the error of your ways - the DANGEROUS error of your ways - then maybe someone who knows better than me can . You agreed to show up . So go ahead and show them your "True Islam" that you brag about spreading in MANY places outside of here .

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: wudu
« on: May 20, 2014, 05:57:49 am »
I'm not sure , but I hope you can find some answers here :
http://www.islamweb.net/emainpage/index.php?page=fatwa&tab=1&vPart=563
You can write "Wudu" to find related answers .

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Tell you what. I will give you an offer to win this debate! Just a simple verse is all I ask.

Give ME one verse that authorizes another source of law besides the Quran and you win this debate. Simple enough?

Keep your puny offer to yourself . It's a matter of evidence and proof . Aside from the numerous signs which I'll mention at the end of this , here's a story told to us by Quran .

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2:142 The foolish among the people will say, "What has turned them away from their qiblah, which they used to face?" Say, "To Allah belongs the east and the west. He guides whom He wills to a straight path." 2:143 And thus we have made you a just community that you will be witnesses over the people and the Messenger will be a witness over you. And We did not make the qiblah which you used to face except that We might make evident who would follow the Messenger from who would turn back on his heels. And indeed, it is difficult except for those whom Allah has guided. And never would Allah have caused you to lose your faith. Indeed Allah is, to the people, Kind and Merciful. 2:144 We have certainly seen the turning of your face, [O Muhammad], toward the heaven, and We will surely turn you to a qiblah with which you will be pleased. So turn your face toward al-Masjid al-Haram. And wherever you [believers] are, turn your faces toward it [in prayer]. Indeed, those who have been given the Scripture well know that it is the truth from their Lord. And Allah is not unaware of what they do.

So where in Quran , and Quran ALONE , does it tell Muslims to pray toward the Aqsa Masjid ? Don't tire yourself , you won't find any . Going from this point , why did Muslims pray toward Alaqsa while Quran didn't tell them to ? Why did the prophet pray toward Alaqsa ? Will you go so low as to claim this sign is fabricated ? Or maybe you'll claim that the prophet did something in religion that Allah didn't tell him to do ? Seeing how low you've already gone I won't be surprised , but if we think good of you then that's where the next point in line comes . So let's suppose you take your eyes away from the numerous signs ordering us to obey the messenger , let's suppose you try to explain them with your typical acrobatic methods while they're clear as day , this sign doesn't give you any room to do so . Either you accuse the prophet of innovation in religion - And that's flat out "Kufr" - or admit that there is another source of law along with the noble Quran which the noble Quran itself tells us to follow . And these are some of those signs :

((يـا أيـها الذين آمـنوا أطيعوا الله وأطيعوا الرسول ولا تبطلوا أعمالكم))
((من يطع الرسول فقد أطاع الله ومن تولى فما أرسلناك عليهم حفيظاً))
((وما آتاكم الرسول فخذوه وما نهاكم عنه فانتهوا واتقوا الله إن الله شديد العقاب))
((وما كان لمؤمن ولا مؤمنة إذا قضى الله ورسوله أمراً أن يكون لهم الخيرة من أمرهم ومن يعص الله ورسوله فقد ضل ضلالاً مبينا))
((فلا وربك لا يؤمنون حتى يحكموك فيما شجر بينهم ثم لا يجدوا في أنفسهم حرجا مما قضيت ويسلموا تسليماً))
((إنما كان قول المؤمنين إذا دعوا إلى الله ورسوله ليحكم بينهم أن يقولوا سمعنا وأطعنا وأولئك هم المفلحون))
((ولو تقوّل علينا بعض الأقاويل * لأخذنا منه باليمين * ثم لقطعنا منه الوتين * فما منكم من أحد عنه حاجزين))
((وأنزلنا إليك الذكر لتبين للناس ما نزل إليهم ولعلهم يتفكرون))
((وما أنزلنا عليك الكتاب إلا لتبين لهم الذي اختلفوا فيه وهدى ورحمة لقوم يؤمنون))
((لقد مَنَّ الله على المؤمنين إذ بعث فيهم رسولاً من أنفسهم يتلو عليهم آياته ويزكيهم ويعلمهم الكتاب والحكمة وإن كانوا من قبل لفي ضلال مبين))
((فإن تنازعتم في شيء فردوه إلى الله والرسول إن كنتم تؤمنون بالله واليوم الآخر))

In coming : More rants and acrobatic displays .

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So what you will do, is you will go to that website and tell them my arguments and then they will tell you how to respond and then I will respond here.

One shouldn't be ashamed to ask if he doesn't know what to say . You on the other hand ...

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That's fine with me. In an arabic forum, I will not be able to pass my points across efficiently as I would in an English forum.

They can debate you in English and some of them can even do that in French . That's no excuse . If you don't want to come , then just say that . And here's what happened : I've been showing your twisted slanders AND answering them over there to show people how dangerous ignorance combined with arrogance can be . After a while , they adviced me to bring you to them , to somewhere that actually has rules for the flaw of conversations . And I'm not ashamed to say to somwhere where there are many who know better than I do .

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Let me make it clear that this isn't the only forum that I spread the knowledge of Quran-Only Islam. I am on many forums, even the shia forums so I could show them the true path of Islam.

Then may you carry your sin along with theirs . Bragging about how many places you spread blasphemous ideologies means nothing .

So let's get it clear , Quran orders us in numerous signs to obey the messenger in whatever he tells us to . That necessarily means what he teaches is revealed to him from the almighty . End of the line .

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The people of Monotheism invite you to bring forth your proof if you speak the truth .

http://www.eltwhed.com/vb/forum.php

I didn't bother at first but apparently deeming whole nations destined to hellfire isn't something to pass as if it's nothing . They want to see your so called evidence in what you claim . So what's your answer ?

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Where is your proof that sunnah is a revelation from Allah? None.

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{يـا أيـها الذين آمـنوا أطيعوا الله وأطيعوا الرسول ولا تبطلوا أعمالكم}
{من يطع الرسول فقد أطاع الله ومن تولى فما أرسلناك عليهم حفيظاً}
{وما آتاكم الرسول فخذوه وما نهاكم عنه فانتهوا واتقوا الله إن الله شديد العقاب}
{وما كان لمؤمن ولا مؤمنة إذا قضى الله ورسوله أمراً أن يكون لهم الخيرة من أمرهم ومن يعص الله ورسوله فقد ضل ضلالاً مبينا}
{فلا وربك لا يؤمنون حتى يحكموك فيما شجر بينهم ثم لا يجدوا في أنفسهم حرجا مما قضيت ويسلموا تسليماً}
{إنما كان قول المؤمنين إذا دعوا إلى الله ورسوله ليحكم بينهم أن يقولوا سمعنا وأطعنا وأولئك هم المفلحون}
{وأنزلنا إليك الذكر لتبين للناس ما نزل إليهم ولعلهم يتفكرون}
{وما أنزلنا عليك الكتاب إلا لتبين لهم الذي اختلفوا فيه وهدى ورحمة لقوم يؤمنون}
{لقد مَنَّ الله على المؤمنين إذ بعث فيهم رسولاً من أنفسهم يتلو عليهم آياته ويزكيهم ويعلمهم الكتاب والحكمة وإن كانوا من قبل لفي ضلال مبين}

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Quran 45:6 "These are God's revelations (Quran) that We recite to you truthfully. In which statement other than God and His revelations (Quran) do they believe?"
THESE are God's revelation that gets RECITED to you. So in what statement other than God and his revelation (Quran) will you believe?
Does this verse leave any room for the sunnah or does it make it clear that the Quran is the only statement you are to believe in?

I keep answering it day in day out but you seem to lack common sense and the basic understanding of BOTH Arabic and English . Indeed , we don't believe in anything after the signs and revelations of Allah . That includes Sunnah as it is a revelation of Allah as all these previous signs say clear as day . The prophet peace upon him doesn't innovate of his own in religion . That's your delusion .

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I think it is over brother, You have lost.

So you're that eager to run away with your tail between your legs ? And again , I am no brother of an enemy of Islam like you . You miserable low life form went as low as to deem the entirety of the Islamic nation disbelievers destined to hell except the great you who will go to heaven . You've bee saying it about me all the time and I beared with it . But you crossed the line . This is war . There is no room for compromise or sweet talk .

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1.) Leave your arrogance aside and accept Allah and the Quran
2.) Continue persisting arrogantly and await your humiliating punishment

83:34 So Today those who believed are laughing at the disbelievers, 35 On adorned couches, observing. 36 Have the disbelievers [not] been rewarded [this Day] for what they used to do?

We will see who laughs linckin . And I swear it won't be you with your current twisted mentality .

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Secondly, a whole nation WILL be misguided

So you'd go as low as to accuse Allah of contradiction . It is very SICKENING when I see the likes of you write signs they don't understand just to justify their blasphemy . If you had the slightest bet of common sense , you wouldn't have dared make such a ridiculous statement . Let's see the signs in their context :

25:30 And the Messenger has said, "O my Lord, indeed my people have taken this Qur'an as [a thing] abandoned." 31 And thus have We made for every prophet an enemy from among the criminals. But sufficient is your Lord as a guide and a helper. 32 And those who disbelieve say, "Why was the Qur'an not revealed to him all at once?" Thus [it is] that We may strengthen thereby your heart. And We have spaced it distinctly. 33 And they do not come to you with an argument except that We bring you the truth and the best explanation.

So who are those people ? Considering that the verb is in the past tense , it talks about something that already happened while the prophet was delivering the message and not your ill fantasies . The people here are the pagans of Makkah , Quraish , his people . That's how sane people understand the sign , and that's how scholars understand the sign :
http://www.alro7.net/ayaq.php?sourid=25&aya=30

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Secondly, your underlined statement above means that you reject that Allah guides us? Really? Is that how low you can go? -->Especially when Allah said that HE will also explain the Quran? You rejecting Allah's words?

What I'm saying you miserable low life is that your statment - in that premetive view - contradicts itself . Using your statment , I can say people are guided as they follow the way of the prophet . Keep deluding yourself that you're guided and all else will go to hell . You are nothing close to guidance , you and the likes are POISON to the nation . A vile virus that needs to be exterminated . You hold absolutely no respect to Islam and its teachings . You take your desires as Gods you worship . Not to mention your utmost stupidity , retarded logic , and folligh statements contradicting each other . You take that puny brain of yours as holy think you understand everything . While Allah says he will explain Quran , every sane person can see that it is through the prophet peace upon him in spite of you and the likes of you . On the other hand , you're so twisted as to think you recieve revelations that the prophet didn't . You think you're the only one who understands among the entirety of humanity . When you make a blasphemous statement such as that Allah explains Quran especially to you , you have to bring evidence from Quran or Sunnah . And you will always fail miserably with any of them . The almighty Allah is far greater beyond imaginable to talk with such a low life like you . He sent a prophet with guidance and truth for them to reign over all else in spite of disbelievers and in spite of you . That prophet is the one whom Allah explains the noble Quran through , not a nobody like you . Your opponent is Allah . And while you don't equal the shoes of a scholar , there is no room for comparison between you and the almighty , not that there is between him and anything else at all . I'm not the one rejecting his words , YOU ARE .

So enough with the rant and long posts . I'll finish it directly .

1 - Quran orders us to obey the messenger and what he teaches as they are revelations from Allah himself in numerous places throughout the noble book . If you try to make a ridiculous attemot such as claiming Quran is complete and doesn't need anything else to explain it in such a premetive way of understanding then you are accusing Allah of contradicting and that's where I will immediately say you are a vile "Kafir" flat out . It IS complete when it tells us to obey the messenger . If you don't believe in that then don't dare call yourself a Muslim .

2 - You have absolutely no basis to believe in Quran using your rotten logic . You can't deny the possibility that it was corrupted or altered . You can't prove that a man named Muhammad existed . And if you bring that Da Vinci code garbage again I'll throw it immideately with the rest of garbage . This describes you as a blind believer . You don't have any logical reasons to believe in Islam . Following this rotten line of thinking you take leads us to deny history in its entirety .

3 - You rejectors are the most ignorant of Quran . You have no basis for your acrobatic explanations . You rant about how you're the only ones who understand Islam . While the fact is you can't explain a thing with Quran alone . You contradict the book itself ! You can't explain how to pray . You can't explain how to perform pilgrimage . You can't explain a thing . Whenever you are faced with this you used your personal opinions and liking .

I'm seriously getting sick and tired of this . So let's make it short . The signs ordering to follow the prophet and in turn tell that there is a nother kind of revelation are numerous . If you deny that , then YOU are the one being an apostate .

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / 0
« on: May 17, 2014, 04:12:47 am »
Alright , let's dissect whatever needs to be dissected .

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There, I changed the word "hadith" to "statement" just to make you feel better. My argument remains.

Your argument remains meaningless . I'll make it short : Sunnah is the revelation of Allah . End of the story . When I believe in Quran and follow it , I am OBLIGED to obey it when it tells me to obey the prophet peace upon him .

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Hadiths. They follow every thing he said. Not only that if the prophet muhammad says dogs are haraam to keep in the house, then dogs are haram to keep in the house. I'm sure Allah really wanted us to not have dogs in our house, it seems very relevant to Islam, eh? Hadiths say things the prophet said and you follow it. IN fact, hadiths tell you that you should even dress and look like him.

None of your bloody business ! Islam isn't just some chants and talk of unconditional love and give your left cheek to who slaps you . It's a full way of life . If you reject the teachings of the prophet because you want a filthy animal like a dog in your house then that's your own bloody problem . And unlike you , when we don't understand something , WE ASK ! In your case , arrogance and worship of your so called "logic" forbid you to do so . If a narration doesn't narrate an order from the prophet or a teaching , then it narrates incidents and writes them down including his high morals and ethics . What does that mean ? It means the Islamic nation doesn't cherrypick its history .

And no one , I say NO ONE here deserted Quran except you . I can almost bet you don't read it at all except when you want to misquote and lie about it to support your ideologies . YET another cheap - pathetic - attempt to corrupt the other's picture . And you talk about that Homing nonsense ?!

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Again with the authority argument.

Again , your opponent is the noble Quran itself . If you have a problem with authority , you have a problem with the authority of Quran .

4:115 And whoever opposes the Messenger after guidance has become clear to him and follows other than the way of the believers - We will give him what he has taken and drive him into Hell, and evil it is as a destination.

A whole nation cannot be misguided . If you say it can , then your opponent isn't just that nation , the companions , and the prophet peace upon him , not at all , your opponent is the almighty himself . So take your Argumentum ad populum and shove it down the nearest toilet .

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You don't need so called 'scholars' to explain the Quran. The Quran said no such thing. God will explain the Quran, you seek to learn the Quran. Nowhere does it state follow scholars. Scholars have been wrong in the past, and they are wrong now.

And what deludes you that YOU are right in your explanations ? Here we are , every freaking nobody opens his/her mouth and rant nonsense following YOUR line of thought . These are the same people who say a woman can wear a bikini in public , these are the same who say one can follow Judaism or Christianity and go to heaven . Using your twisted logic , you have no right object . You keep ranting how God will explain Quran to you . As if Allah the almighty would talk to you personally and make revelations to you that he didn't to his prophet ! Exalted he is from what you describe ! That's one the dubmest and lamest excuses I've ever heard ! Any bloody person can explain things however he bloody wants with that !! That is why there is a need for people of knowledge . This is a basic common sense for any field of knowledge in life . I wouldn't bring an ironsmith to fix my TV , neither am I gonna bring a joiner to fix the kitchen sink . That said , we DEFINITELY won't let some unknown nobodies talk whatever they want about Quran and Sunnah .

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I could just site Quranist scholars to show you the opposite.

99.99% against 0.01% . A losing battle .

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But, you will continue to persist arrogantly... I know you will. This makes you a disbeliever and I would have a hard time calling you a Muslim at this point.

Unlike you , because I'm not a scholar or someone qualified , I do have a hard time calling you "Kafir" . Somone ignorant of anything of the sort would just rant whatever he wants however . So go ahead and call the majority of Muslims through the entire history as that , that's when I won't hesitate to say that your act is "Kufr" .

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Nope, I did not use christiantiy as a scapegoat. I used it as an example as to how a WHOLE nation can be wrong and misguided.

I don't fully understand the circumstances of corrupting the Bible . Quran said it is and that's it for me . Quran also said that our nation cannot agree on falsehood . Period .

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I think this is where you really showed your lack of arabic understanding.

WARNING : Take it back before a joke of yourself more than what you already are .

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Quranists try their best to take a holistic approach to the Quran and not attempt to understand a verse in isolation.

I'll take it as a joke . Both that you are called "Quranist" and that you take Quran as holy . And the following will show you why I take it as that .

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Some Quranists would say what he speaks in 53:3 is the same truth spoken in 51:23.

As said before , because you have no bases to return to , anyone can explain things however he wants . And here we see you saying "Some" ? So you're basically saying that you "think" . That's meaningless . And if the sign talks about Quran , then it talks about Sunnah as well . That's also a revelation wither from a linguistic point of view or a logical one . And this is for further reading :
http://fatwa.islamweb.net/fatwa/index.php?page=showfatwa&Option=FatwaId&Id=198037

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Also, the next verse 53:4 says that what he speaks is nothing but wahy - revelation. And wahy is defined in 6:19 as the Quran.

FALSE . The nineteeth sign of Al-an'am is as follows :

Say, "What thing is greatest in testimony?" Say, " Allah is witness between me and you. And this Qur'an was revealed to me that I may warn you thereby and whomever it reaches. Do you [truly] testify that with Allah there are other deities?" Say, "I will not testify [with you]." Say, "Indeed, He is but one God, and indeed, I am free of what you associate [with Him]."

It says that Quran is a revelation . It doesn't say there is no other revelation with it . Do you understand the joke now ?

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The words in 16:44 clearly state that the messenger can only make things clear to the people by means of what is revealed to him (Quran). This is also confirmed in 6:114 which states that the only source of law is the book.

Then why do you fail in writing the signs ? Or maybe you fear you'll be exposed ?

16:44 [We sent them] with clear proofs and written ordinances. And We revealed to you the message that you may make clear to the people what was sent down to them and that they might give thought.

6:114 [Say], "Then is it other than Allah I should seek as judge while it is He who has revealed to you the Book explained in detail?" And those to whom We [previously] gave the Scripture know that it is sent down from your Lord in truth, so never be among the doubters.

Looking at the first or the second sign , you can't claim that it denies there is a revelation with Quran that explains it for people .

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If we read 16:44 and 3:164 on their own it may well appear that the messenger can fully explain the Quran to the people and that he is the teacher of the Quran, but what about when we read 55:1-2 which says that God is the teacher of the Quran?
Also, what about 75:19 where God is speaking to the messenger and tells him clearly that it is He (God) who will explain the Quran?

A failing attempt . You claim you explain Quran with Quran and that's a laughable lie . What about THIS sign ?

42:51 And it is not for any human being that Allah should speak to him except by revelation or from behind a partition or that He sends a messenger to reveal, by His permission, what He wills. Indeed, He is Most High and Wise.

So in or out , the prophet peace upon him explains the noble Quran for people .

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The messenger was literally a walking Quran

And where did you bring that from ?

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If someone asks him how to do wudu, the prophet would recite the Quran and tell them exactly what it says without adding anything to the Quran--since the Quran is the only source of law

And where did you bring THAT from ? How could you know that he used to do this when someone asks him ? How could you know there was a man named Muhammad to begin with ? In or out , you'll have to admit that you need Sunnah to view history . And I would like to see you bringing the way Muslims perform it from Quran . Oh right , we are all doomed to hellfire because you said so .

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However, the messenger cannot guide anyone or guarantee that all people will understand the true message of the Quran. It is God, and God alone, who can guide the people and truly explain the message of the book to the ones who deserve the guidance.

And YOU are the one out of billions who deserves guidance ?

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The fact that 99.9% of all Muslims today are following a corrupt religion that has little to do with the Quran, and the fact that they are committing “shirk” (associating partners with God) by making the prophet a partner with God in everything they say or do and including his name along side the name of God in every worship practice (shahada, Salat, Hajj, etc), which is contrary to the Quranic command in 6:162 which states that all our worship practices must be dedicated to the name of God alone; all this confirms that despite their numerous scholars, Imams, interpreters and teachers, with all their volumes of 'tafseer' (interpretations/explanations), they have not really understood the simple message of the book. All their teachers could not really explain the principal message of the Quran to them which is to dedicate all our worship rituals and practices to the name of God alone (6:162) and to accept the Quran as the only source of law (6:114).

قبحك الله يا خسيس !

Then say it flat out . You follow a religion other than Islam so don't call yourself a Muslim ! It is finally revealed . We are no "brothers" . This is a clear fight between right and wrong , belief and disbelief ! Your insanity reached a level of claiming everyone except you and the likes are destined to hell . There is no word to explain this . Ignoranc was a thing , arrogance was a thing , but this , this madness , this outrageous madness , it leaves no room for doubt , you , are an enemy of Allah and his prophet . And I don't show a shred of holding back in battles against such enemies .

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I might stop by to dissect this topic as well after finishing the farce you made at the other one .

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