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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Jesus warning
« on: March 10, 2018, 12:05:32 pm »
Oh my dear Zakir....you remind me of NWO...
So your not gonna answer hopefully someone else will i just i wanted help

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Jesus warning
« on: March 10, 2018, 11:29:17 am »
Bring his points my dear Zakir...be specific...
I brought the main point the eveidence is in the video if you want to refute it you'll have to watch the video which isn't that easy to compress the eveidence.
The video uses quotes from Jesus maybe i left the video title just so you could access the quotes .
Sorry for any inconvenience  :)

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Jesus warning
« on: March 10, 2018, 10:32:56 am »
A video called Jesus warns us about the four horsemen of the apocalypse , by revaltion now  is and attack of Islam claiming that Jesus had warned his people of Islam saying Islam is evil all there points are in the video.
Someone check it out and refute it.
Thank you. :)

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Proof
« on: March 10, 2018, 10:21:31 am »
*weren't

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Proof
« on: March 10, 2018, 10:20:15 am »
1) First, when considering this position, it's important to recognize the difference between complexity and design. Complexity itself does not require an intelligent creator. It's easy to impose a design upon things that exist by chance or developed through a natural process like evolution.

To an extent, this argument gains traction because of wide misunderstanding of science and especially evolution. Everything in the universe conforms to certain simple scientific rules that have been repeated over billions of years. While this can be awe-inspiring, it by no means suggests a creator.

Failure to understand the scientific principles guiding the creation and development of the universe does not mean that a deity must exist to explain the natural world.
2) This argument presupposes its premise. People believe in scripture and place value in the words because they already believe in the religious principles the text describes. There is no inherent value to the Bible, Quran or any other religious text; these documents are not self-authenticating in any way.

In fact, many factual inaccuracies and inconsistencies can be found within religious texts themselves. For example, the Bible contains two separate creation stories, each of which provides a very different explanation. Similarly, there is no historical, archaeological or scientific evidence to support many of the stories in the Bible and the Quran.

Ultimately, religious texts are infinitely fallible because they are man-made products of whimsy, poetry, mythology and some history woven together into a new whole. The texts in the Bible have been gathered from many oral sources over thousands of years and compiled arbitrarily into a single document; it's hardly surprising that the narrative would be so inconsistent. Other religious texts have similarly convoluted histories.

Aside from the problems with individual texts, there's also the obvious issue that the very presence of multiple scriptures negates the authenticity of any single religious document. It's impossible for every religious book to be true; it's highly presumptuous to assume that one's own preferred scripture is the single "true" scripture while all the others are false accounts. It's far more likely that every religious book is equally fictitious and unreliable.

3) This argument is often offered as a last line of defense in religious debates, and the person posing it might feel very clever coming up with it. However, the premise of the argument is both flawed and ridiculous. The failure to disprove something does not constitute proof of its existence.

The burden of proof is always on the person making a claim, especially in cases where the claims are unsupported or unfalsifiable. With no enduring evidence that a God exists, there is simply no reason to believe in a deity, even if it's not possible to irrefutably disprove his existence.

Many thought experiments have been created to show the absurdity of these claims, such as the Invisible Pink Unicorn, Carl Sagan's "The Dragon in My Garage," Russell's Teapot or the Flying Spaghetti Monster. All of which are absurd claims without evidence and yet impossible to disprove. Familiarizing yourself with these thought experiments can give you a clear picture of exactly why the burden of proof should always be on the person making a claim.
4) The existence of Unicorns can not be disproven, therefore there are Unicorns.
Does that make sense to you? Nobody can disprove the existence of any mythical entity, that does not mean they exist. We determine things based on evidence. No evidence, no reality, no exitence. This frustrates the hell out of theists, but they know it is true and they would not take it on faith if I told someone that I had a Leprachaun in my closet. They would want to see it for themselves.
5) Just as miracles are impossible to prove without resorting to unreliable anecdotes, the power of prayer is certainly not supported by science. Belief in prayer relies on confirmation bias. Essentially, people remember the times that prayer seemed to "work" but conveniently forget the many occasions that they prayed and saw no response or received the opposite result of what they'd wanted. These unwanted results are often ignored completely or rationalized away.

Prayer is a type of magical thinking. Its appeal is undeniable; it feels empowering and makes individuals feel as though they have a measure of control over the world around them. But there is simply no evidence that prayers are anything more than a placebo. And unlike many placebos, prayer can actually be harmful.

The "power of prayer" is one of the most insidious and even harmful beliefs proffered by religion. When faced with any sort of tragedy or misfortune, prayer is one of the least helpful responses imaginable.
Prayer is like gambling when your prayer is answered you tell everyone when you are ignored you keep it a secret.
These are the main athiest points thank you.
These points were refuted fully.

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Not sure
« on: March 09, 2018, 01:13:31 pm »
Im still not sure about evolution and athiesm
1) The YouTube channel defends attacks on atheism and evolution and refutes them has anyone seen his counter arguments.
2) Evolution from a single organism has many proof
For example 70℅ of banana DNA is human
Like there might be a missing link but bones have been found in a transition stage not just for humans for animals
So many intelligent people believe in evolution it might just be a theory but so is gravity and germs.
Sorry the YouTube channel is called The Atheist Voice please check out his arguments for evolution and against god

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Not sure
« on: March 09, 2018, 01:12:27 pm »
Im still not sure about evolution and athiesm
1) The YouTube channel defends attacks on atheism and evolution and refutes them has anyone seen his counter arguments.
2) Evolution from a single organism has many proof
For example 70℅ of banana DNA is human
Like there might be a missing link but bones have been found in a transition stage not just for humans for animals
So many intelligent people believe in evolution it might just be a theory but so is gravity and germs.

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: So much for a break
« on: March 09, 2018, 12:28:08 pm »
Will Zakir ever be able to go on his vacation?  Will his wishes finally come true?  This is what we will know in the next episode from "Zakir's Adventures" :). (music)
Im leaving for vacation in 2 weeks

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: So much for a break
« on: March 08, 2018, 03:22:10 pm »
If anyone could check it up im in no rush can anyone refute there arguments of Islam being modern day Nazism.

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / So much for a break
« on: March 08, 2018, 03:20:38 pm »
This break felt like weeks but i ended up reading and article that now i want to be refuted me.
By an Ex-Muslim athiest
Now i would post the points buy its long and will be confusing if i copy and paste.
Its called Islam vs Nazism
The website is called atheist republic.

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: I need a break
« on: March 05, 2018, 03:11:52 pm »
sorry i meant later this month when i go Pakistan ill be off for just under 4 weeks

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / I need a break
« on: March 05, 2018, 03:10:24 pm »
I definitely need a break as suggested by some so i will be of for a bit i will try also in 3 weeks i will br going on holiday to Pakistan i live in a rural area there so ill be of the blog for a week.
But two things before i have a break little help
1) I see so much hate on bro Osama and our website calling us excuse makers and so much love for answering Islam apparently exposing us.
2) Im having trouble with athiests could you leave Me some links and if anyone has time investigate a channel called The Athiest Voice.
Thank you i will be back  :)
Obviously

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Proof
« on: March 05, 2018, 02:55:46 pm »
1) First, when considering this position, it's important to recognize the difference between complexity and design. Complexity itself does not require an intelligent creator. It's easy to impose a design upon things that exist by chance or developed through a natural process like evolution.

To an extent, this argument gains traction because of wide misunderstanding of science and especially evolution. Everything in the universe conforms to certain simple scientific rules that have been repeated over billions of years. While this can be awe-inspiring, it by no means suggests a creator.

Failure to understand the scientific principles guiding the creation and development of the universe does not mean that a deity must exist to explain the natural world.
2) This argument presupposes its premise. People believe in scripture and place value in the words because they already believe in the religious principles the text describes. There is no inherent value to the Bible, Quran or any other religious text; these documents are not self-authenticating in any way.

In fact, many factual inaccuracies and inconsistencies can be found within religious texts themselves. For example, the Bible contains two separate creation stories, each of which provides a very different explanation. Similarly, there is no historical, archaeological or scientific evidence to support many of the stories in the Bible and the Quran.

Ultimately, religious texts are infinitely fallible because they are man-made products of whimsy, poetry, mythology and some history woven together into a new whole. The texts in the Bible have been gathered from many oral sources over thousands of years and compiled arbitrarily into a single document; it's hardly surprising that the narrative would be so inconsistent. Other religious texts have similarly convoluted histories.

Aside from the problems with individual texts, there's also the obvious issue that the very presence of multiple scriptures negates the authenticity of any single religious document. It's impossible for every religious book to be true; it's highly presumptuous to assume that one's own preferred scripture is the single "true" scripture while all the others are false accounts. It's far more likely that every religious book is equally fictitious and unreliable.

3) This argument is often offered as a last line of defense in religious debates, and the person posing it might feel very clever coming up with it. However, the premise of the argument is both flawed and ridiculous. The failure to disprove something does not constitute proof of its existence.

The burden of proof is always on the person making a claim, especially in cases where the claims are unsupported or unfalsifiable. With no enduring evidence that a God exists, there is simply no reason to believe in a deity, even if it's not possible to irrefutably disprove his existence.

Many thought experiments have been created to show the absurdity of these claims, such as the Invisible Pink Unicorn, Carl Sagan's "The Dragon in My Garage," Russell's Teapot or the Flying Spaghetti Monster. All of which are absurd claims without evidence and yet impossible to disprove. Familiarizing yourself with these thought experiments can give you a clear picture of exactly why the burden of proof should always be on the person making a claim.
4) The existence of Unicorns can not be disproven, therefore there are Unicorns.
Does that make sense to you? Nobody can disprove the existence of any mythical entity, that does not mean they exist. We determine things based on evidence. No evidence, no reality, no exitence. This frustrates the hell out of theists, but they know it is true and they would not take it on faith if I told someone that I had a Leprachaun in my closet. They would want to see it for themselves.
5) Just as miracles are impossible to prove without resorting to unreliable anecdotes, the power of prayer is certainly not supported by science. Belief in prayer relies on confirmation bias. Essentially, people remember the times that prayer seemed to "work" but conveniently forget the many occasions that they prayed and saw no response or received the opposite result of what they'd wanted. These unwanted results are often ignored completely or rationalized away.

Prayer is a type of magical thinking. Its appeal is undeniable; it feels empowering and makes individuals feel as though they have a measure of control over the world around them. But there is simply no evidence that prayers are anything more than a placebo. And unlike many placebos, prayer can actually be harmful.

The "power of prayer" is one of the most insidious and even harmful beliefs proffered by religion. When faced with any sort of tragedy or misfortune, prayer is one of the least helpful responses imaginable.
Prayer is like gambling when your prayer is answered you tell everyone when you are ignored you keep it a secret.
These are the main athiest points thank you.

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Proof
« on: March 05, 2018, 02:53:50 pm »
Zakir you really have the exact same problem as me only difference is mine has been longer (since ramadan 2017) and i can deal with it better than before. I even thought about suicide thats how bad it was. What i can tell you to do is GO OUTSIDE! meet friends talk with people get your mind of off it! I swear i used to do notjing but google what the anti-islamists say, i cried so many times vallahi you dont even know how much i wish i died ( i was close to death once ) please brother get your mind off i know how hard it is im still in it too, but get out and idk play playstation fifa, black ops just get your mind off!
Its been since November for me and i felt exactly the same i was depressed used to cry often felt alone and unsure i need to find answers or ill be forever deprived of certainty.
I try to take a break its hard

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Proof
« on: March 04, 2018, 05:22:07 pm »
delete the links and bring their arguments.
I will add 10 compressed points tomorrow

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