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Re: Response needed!! To the claim that the Quran can be rewritten..!
« Reply #15 on: June 19, 2013, 09:43:10 AM »
Thanks for the answers.

But I am still wondering, how could the prophet Muhammad purposefully choose words to be spelled differently either for rhetorical purposes or numerical miracle purposes?? How could an illiterate person choose words to be spelled differently?

Also why is the same word (with the same meaning) spelled differently in the Quran in different contexts?

I'm saying that the prophet got the Quran verbally and he told his companions to write the Quranic verses. The companions spelled a word in a way sometimes and in a different way. For example, Imagine I use 'Color' and 'Colour' in the same sentence. Atheists/Christians like to say it was a mistake, Muslims say it was purposely put there. How did the prophet tell the companions the way a word would be spelled if he was illiterate.
salam alaikum

sorry i didn't understand what you mean - can u give arabic examples - keep in mind that koran's main method that ensure its authenticity is oral/verbal NOT written, actually quran means recitation. Famous reciters have direct chain of transmission up to prophet Muhammad,writing is not acceptable to take this 'ijazah'-one of them told me that his shaikh asked him to recite a 'juz' by heart, -quran is divided in 30 juz'- he spend long time till the last word, which was spelled wrong, he told him that all what he did his day will not be taken in account and he has to come another day due to his 'failure'. 

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Re: Response needed!! To the claim that the Quran can be rewritten..!
« Reply #16 on: June 19, 2013, 11:45:45 AM »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers and sisters,

The spelling of each Word in the Glorious Quran is done on Divine Purpose, and is Miraculous.  Many many Words are spelled in different variations throughout the Glorious Quran.  And the amazing thing about them is that their Numerical values being multiple of the #19 without remainders testify to the Divinity of the Spelling of the Glorious Quran.  To really understand this, please visit:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_part_2_episode_10.wmv

The video is 100% in English.  I used an advanced software that spoke my translation.  The voice is clear and all in English.  Some of the hard-to-pronounce Noble Words I had to do them with my own voice.  But other than that, the video is all in the beautiful and professional voice that my software had.  I am also translating a 653-page book that gave hundreds of examples of the Glorious Quran's Amazing Numerical Miracles.

So the Noble Quran is perfectly preserved the way Allah Almighty Wanted It in:

1-  Writing.
2-  Pronunciation.
3-  Ordering of Noble Chapters (Surahs) and Noble Verses.

I hope this helps, insha'Allah.  Please watch the video.  You'll like it, insha'Allah.  There is another one at: http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links.

There are 30 videos about this, which went through the 653-page book that I am currently translating.  I will translate the videos in English insha'Allah after I finish the book.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Re: Response needed!! To the claim that the Quran can be rewritten..!
« Reply #17 on: June 19, 2013, 01:18:23 PM »
As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers and sisters,

The spelling of each Word in the Glorious Quran is done on Divine Purpose, and is Miraculous.  Many many Words are spelled in different variations throughout the Glorious Quran.  And the amazing thing about them is that their Numerical values being multiple of the #19 without remainders testify to the Divinity of the Spelling of the Glorious Quran.  To really understand this, please visit:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/the_great_miracle_part_2_episode_10.wmv

The video is 100% in English.  I used an advanced software that spoke my translation.  The voice is clear and all in English.  Some of the hard-to-pronounce Noble Words I had to do them with my own voice.  But other than that, the video is all in the beautiful and professional voice that my software had.  I am also translating a 653-page book that gave hundreds of examples of the Glorious Quran's Amazing Numerical Miracles.

So the Noble Quran is perfectly preserved the way Allah Almighty Wanted It in:

1-  Writing.
2-  Pronunciation.
3-  Ordering of Noble Chapters (Surahs) and Noble Verses.

I hope this helps, insha'Allah.  Please watch the video.  You'll like it, insha'Allah.  There is another one at: http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links.

There are 30 videos about this, which went through the 653-page book that I am currently translating.  I will translate the videos in English insha'Allah after I finish the book.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

Amazing video! But it still raises the question. If the Quran was recited and not written, how did the prophet know certain spellings of words when he was illiterate. Atheists like to say that the spellings of words were purposely put there to make those numberical miracles because the prophet was illiterate and didn't know how to spell.

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Re: Response needed!! To the claim that the Quran can be rewritten..!
« Reply #18 on: June 19, 2013, 01:37:50 PM »
Amazing video! But it still raises the question. If the Quran was recited and not written, how did the prophet know certain spellings of words when he was illiterate. Atheists like to say that the spellings of words were purposely put there to make those numberical miracles because the prophet was illiterate and didn't know how to spell.

The Prophet has become literate.  After all, the very first Noble Verse that was revealed to him, instructed him and every Muslim to be literate.  But the True Miracle of the Glorious Quran's Writings is really from Allah Almighty.  Allah Almighty not only inspired the Prophet on how the Holy Quran should be written, but Allah Almighty also inspired the Scribes.  Not only that, but Allah Almighty also inspired the ordinary Believers who were TOP QURANIC SCHOLARS on how to recite the Holy Quran.  Allah Almighty took a Divine Promise Upon Himself to Preserve the Holy Quran's:

1-  Text.
2-  Recitation.
3-  Compilation and Ordering.


Please visit: www.answering-christianity.com/quran/textual.htm

I hope this helps, insha'Allah, dear brother.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Re: Response needed!! To the claim that the Quran can be rewritten..!
« Reply #19 on: June 19, 2013, 03:05:09 PM »
Amazing video! But it still raises the question. If the Quran was recited and not written, how did the prophet know certain spellings of words when he was illiterate. Atheists like to say that the spellings of words were purposely put there to make those numberical miracles because the prophet was illiterate and didn't know how to spell.

The Prophet has become literate.  After all, the very first Noble Verse that was revealed to him, instructed him and every Muslim to be literate.  But the True Miracle of the Glorious Quran's Writings is really from Allah Almighty.  Allah Almighty not only inspired the Prophet on how the Holy Quran should be written, but Allah Almighty also inspired the Scribes.  Not only that, but Allah Almighty also inspired the ordinary Believers who were TOP QURANIC SCHOLARS on how to recite the Holy Quran.  Allah Almighty took a Divine Promise Upon Himself to Preserve the Holy Quran's:

1-  Text.
2-  Recitation.
3-  Compilation and Ordering.


Please visit: www.answering-christianity.com/quran/textual.htm

I hope this helps, insha'Allah, dear brother.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

So Muhammad (pbuh) might have possibly told the companions to spell a word this way instead?

Do you of any sources or hadiths that hint at this?


Can you please also explain the whole computer program stuff: LIke how humans can make a chapter of the Quran like the Quran by a computer program. How do we respond.
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Re: Response needed!! To the claim that the Quran can be rewritten..!
« Reply #20 on: June 20, 2013, 09:18:51 AM »
ASSALAMUALYKUM,

Brother Osama,

So Muhammad (pbuh) might have possibly told the companions to spell a word this way instead?

Do you of any sources or hadiths that hint at this?


Can you please also explain the whole computer program stuff: LIke how humans can make a chapter of the Quran like the Quran by a computer program. How do we respond.

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Re: Response needed!! To the claim that the Quran can be rewritten..!
« Reply #21 on: June 21, 2013, 01:35:03 PM »


ASSALAMUALYKUM,

Brother Osama,

So Muhammad (pbuh) might have possibly told the companions to spell a word this way instead?

Do you of any sources or hadiths that hint at this?


Can you please also explain the whole computer program stuff: LIke how humans can make a chapter of the Quran like the Quran by a computer program. How do we respond.


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« Reply #22 on: June 24, 2013, 04:19:13 AM »
William Shakespeare, who was an English poet and playwright, widely regarded as the greatest writer in the English language, is often used as an example of unique literature. The argument posed is that if Shakespeare expressed his poetry and prose in a unique manner – and he is a human being – then surely no matter how unique the Qur’an is, it must also be from a human being.

However there are some problems with the above argument. It does not take into account the nature of the Qur’an’s uniqueness and it doesn’t understand the uniqueness of literary geniuses such as Shakespeare. Although Shakespeare composed poetry and prose that received an unparalleled aesthetic reception, the literary form he expressed his works in was not unique. In many instances Shakespeare used the common Iambic Pentameter (The Iambic pentameter is a meter in poetry. It refers to a line consisting of five iambic feet. The word “pentameter” simply means that there are five feet in the line.) However in the case of the Qur’an, its language is in an entirely unknown and unmatched literary form. The structural features of the Qur’anic discourse render it unique and not the subjective appreciation of its literary and linguistic makeup.

With this in mind there are two approaches that can show that there are greater reasons to believe that the Qur’an is from the divine and a miraculous text. The first approach is rational deduction and the second is the philosophy of Miracles.

Rational Deduction

Rational deduction is the thinking process where logical conclusions are drawn from a universally accepted statement or provable premises. This process is also called rational inference or logical deduction.
 In the context of the Qur’an’s uniqueness the universally accepted statement supported by eastern and western scholarship is:

“The Qur’an was not successfully imitated by the Arabs at the time of revelation”

From this statement the following logical conclusions can be drawn:

1. The Qur’an could not have come from an Arab as the Arabs, at the time of revelation, were linguists par excellence and they failed to challenge the Qur’an. They had even admitted that the Qur’an could have not come from a human being.

2. The Qur’an could not have come from a Non-Arab as the language in the Qur’an is Arabic, and the knowledge of the Arabic language is a pre-requisite to successfully challenge the Qur’an.

3. The Qur’an could not have come from the Prophet Muhammad due to the following reasons:

a. The Prophet Muhammad was an Arab himself and all the Arabs failed to challenge the Qur’an.

b. The Arabs linguists at the time of revelation never accused the Prophet of being the author of the Qur’an.

c. The Prophet Muhammad experienced many trials and tribulations during the course of his Prophetic mission. For example his children died, his beloved wife Khadija passed away, he was boycotted, his close companions were tortured and killed, yet the Qur’an’s literary character remains that of the divine voice and character. Nothing in the Qur’an expresses the turmoil and emotions of the Prophet Muhammad. It is almost a psychological and physiological impossibility to go through what the Prophet went through and yet none of the emotions are expressed in the literary character of the Qur’an.

d. The Qur’an is a known literary masterpiece yet its verse were at many times revealed for specific circumstances and events that occurred. However, without revision or deletion they are literary masterpieces. All literary masterpieces have undergone revision and deletion to ensure literary perfection, however the Qur’an was revealed instantaneously.

e. The hadith or narrations of the Prophet Muhammad are in a totally different style then that of the Qur’an. How can any human being express themselves orally over a 23 year period (which was the period of Qur’anic revelation) in two distinct styles? This is a psychological and physiological impossibility according to modern research.

f. All types of human expression can be imitated if the blueprint of that expression exists. For example artwork can be imitated even though some art is thought to be extraordinary or amazingly unique. But in the case of the Qur’an we have the blueprint – the Qur’an itself – yet no one has been able to imitate its unique literary form.

4. The Qur’an could not have come from another being such as a Jinn or Spirit because the basis of their existence is the Qur’an and revelation itself. Their existence is based upon revelation and not empirical evidence. Therefore if someone claims that the source of the Qur’an to be another being then they would have to prove its existence and in this case proving revelation. In the case of using the Qur’an as the revelation to establish Jinns existence then that would mean the whole rational deduction exercise would not be required in the first place, as the Qur’an would already have been established as a divine text, because to believe in Jinns existence would mean belief in the Qur’an in the first place.

5. The Qur’an can only have come from the Divine as it is the only logical explanation as all other explanations have been discarded because they do not explain the uniqueness of the Qur’an in a comprehensive and coherent manner.

Philosophy of Miracles

The word miracle is derived from the Latin word ‘miraculum’ meaning “something wonderful”. A miracle is commonly defined as a violation of a natural law (lex naturalis); however this is an incoherent definition. This incoherence is due our understanding of natural laws, as the Philosopher Bilynskyj observes “…so long as natural laws are conceived of as universal inductive generalisations the notion of violation of a nature law is incoherent.”

Natural laws are inductive generalizations of patterns we observe in the universe. If the definition of a miracle is a violation of a natural law, in other words a violation of the patterns we observe in the universe, then an obvious conceptual problem occurs. The problem is: why can’t we take this perceived violation of the pattern as part of the pattern? Therefore the more coherent description of a miracle is not a ‘violation’ but an ‘impossibility’. The Philosopher William Lane Craig rejects the definition of a miracle as a “violation of a natural law” and replaces it with the coherent definition of “events which lie outside the productive capacity of nature”. What this means is that miracles are acts of impossibilities concerning causal or logical connections.

The Miraculous Qur’an

What makes the Qur’an a miracle, is that it lies outside the productive capacity of the nature of the Arabic language. The productive capacity of nature, concerning the Arabic language, is that any grammatically sound expression of the Arabic language will always fall within the known Arabic literary forms of Prose and Poetry.

The Qur’an is a miracle as its literary form cannot be explained via the productive capacity of the Arabic language, because all the possible combinations of Arabic words, letters and grammatical rules have been exhausted and yet the Qur’an’s literary form has not been imitated. The Arabs who were known to have been Arab linguists par excellence failed to successfully challenge the Qur’an. Forster Fitzgerald Arbuthnot who was a notable British Orientalist and translator states:

“…and that though several attempts have been made to produce a work equal to it as far as elegant writing is concerned, none has as yet succeeded.”[1]

The implication of this is that there is no link between the Qur’an and the Arabic language; however this seems impossible because the Qur’an is made up of the Arabic language! On the other hand, all the combinations of Arabic words and letters have been used to try and imitate the Qur’an. Therefore, it can only be concluded that a supernatural explanation is the only coherent explanation for this impossible Arabic literary form – the Qur’an.

When we look at the productive nature of the Arabic language to find an answer for the unique literary form of the Qur’an, we find no link between it and the divine text, thus making it an impossibility requiring supernatural explanation. So it logically follows that if the Qur’an is a literary event that lies outside the productive capacity of the Arabic language, then, by definition, it is a miracle.